Pakistan v England | 1st Test | Abu Dhabi | Oct 13-17 | Day 1

[Mamoon]

Younis has been good in Test cricket because he realises his limitations if he cannot play pace he does not get out to them either that's why we can all rave about Umar Akmal's ability to play pace and be dominant in overseas but to succeed you need to have a brain and if you do not have it you unfortunately can't cut it.

He has played within his limitations so well which none of our other good Batsmen were able to do.

True, and it is a great lesson for our young batsmen. If Younis can average 50+ and scored 30 hundreds and counting, any decent batsman can with hard work, commitment and understanding of their limitations.

 

[hussain.r97]

What has Babar done in the FC level remotely to suggest that he can surpass Younis? He has been good in List A that's it.

Actual realisation is better than perceived potential he has not shown consistency in his FC career so far he has been out for a duck in the qualifying match going on.

Come on people hold your horses people thought Umar Akmal would be the next big thing he is not even in the team.

Asad and Azhar had below average FC stats too (below 40 average). Stats aren't everything, these two were picked based on what the selectors saw in them, and they are a rare case of being groomed well (in Test cricket only in Asad's case). When you are technically sound, and know how to play the game, FC stats don't matter, it's your potential that matters.

 

[Logical]

Can YK reach 10k runs?

 

[MRSN]

Younis toying with Maulana.

because he is the best option for him to score. Otherwise his runs will be in the single digits if he doesn't bash likes of Moeen.

 

[Naim]

lovely shot from younis

 

[Pete Rose]

"It's a great honor for me to get past great Javed Miandad. Great to see a Pakistani outscoring another Pakistani."

I might have passed javed Bhai but he is still Pakistan's ATG. I am the most humble person I know etc etc

 

[Mamoon]

Younis can't make 29 (42) deliveries against associates in ODIs. What a mental block he has.

 

[Bilal7]

Clarke's career was cut short due to his back problem. His career hasn't been much different. The notion that Clarke was a HTB is a total myth, and he was a much better player of pace and swing.

In South Africa he needed a dry wicket to score a hundred. Failed in the two other Tests with pace and bounce.

Dravid and Miandad have faced better pacers. Younis would have been a tailender against the pacers of 70's and 80's, while his comparison with Dravid is legit but the Indian Wall has the edge no doubt, but he is overrated by Pakistanis who don't want to acknowledge Tendulkar's greatness.

So was Waqar's but unfortunately, people don't get rated on potential. He was unable to end his career with a 50+ average and his away average was under 40. No way is someone like that on the level of Amla, de Villiers, Sanga or Younis.

There are other examples present. Sangakarra never dominated any great pacers. Ponting never dominated any spinners. As long as you're good against all types of bowling, and Younis is definitely good enough, this is not a problem.

Sangakkara is the number one Test batsman of the last 7-8 years. period.

No, he is not, based on the reasons I have already given.

 

[PCP_1]

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[hussain.r97]

Younis has been good in Test cricket because he realises his limitations if he cannot play pace he does not get out to them either that's why we can all rave about Umar Akmal's ability to play pace and be dominant in overseas but to succeed you need to have a brain and if you do not have it you unfortunately can't cut it.

He has played within his limitations so well which none of our other good Batsmen were able to do.

Really good point, and it's something that Sarfraz seems to do well too.

 

[MRSN]

I might have passed javed Bhai but he is still Pakistan's ATG. I am the most humble person I know etc etc

"It's a great shame that no Pakistani is in the column of players with 10,000+ runs. I want to achieve this feat for Pakistan."

 

[Mamoon]

Can YK reach 10k runs?

Tours of England and Australia are untimely. He has cashed in as much as he could in the last 5 years. Will likely be forced into retirement after the Australian tour.

 

[Red Devil]

I won't say he is comfortable; he is always in survival mode and cannot dominate them. That is not reflect in his averages.

He cannot be considered a quality player of fast bowling.

Don't agree, he looks a bit shaky at the start of his innings but plays pace with ease when he's settled.

 

[Mamoon]

So was Waqar's but unfortunately, people don't get rated on potential. He was unable to end his career with a 50+ average and his away average was under 40. No way is someone like that on the level of Amla, de Villiers, Sanga or Younis.

There are other examples present. Sangakarra never dominated any great pacers. Ponting never dominated any spinners. As long as you're good against all types of bowling, and Younis is definitely good enough, this is not a problem.



No, he is not, based on the reasons I have already given.

As already pointed out, stats are a guide only. There are other factors and considerations as well.

Sangakkara never dominated pacers? Okay.

 

[Naim]

Malik is looking very tired

 

[Bilal7]

Don't need the numbers. They are a guide but not definitive. YK competes with chanderpal at best

You need the guide first, when there is daylight between their numbers it doesn't matter how much of an action-hero Clarke looked like while batting.

 

[MRSN]

Can YK reach 10k runs?

yes if YK keeps skipping Eng,Aus,WI,NZ tours.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

True, and it is a great lesson for our young batsmen. If Younis can average 50+ and scored 30 hundreds and counting, any decent batsman can with hard work, commitment and understanding of their limitations.

Yes because it's just as simple as that

Absurd people downplay YK's achievements

The guy is class

 

[90MPH]

because he is the best option for him to score. Otherwise his runs will be in the single digits if he doesn't bash likes of Moeen.

Bro leave the hate. Younis is a legend in Tests so stop insulting him this way.

 

[Bilal7]

As already pointed out, stats are a guide only. There are other factors and considerations as well.

Sangakkara never dominated pacers? Okay.

And as already mentioned, the stats need to be comparable first before other things are brought in. You wouldn't compare Bell with Ponting, would you?

 

[Mamoon]

Yes because it's just as simple as that

Absurd people downplay YK's achievements

The guy is class

No one is doing that. People are just highlighting his obvious weakness, that is not downplaying.

 

[Mamoon]

And as already mentioned, the stats need to be comparable first before other things are brought in. You wouldn't compare Bell with Ponting, would you?

So gap between Younis and Clarke is as wide as the gap between Ponting and Ian Bell?

 

[Arsal_AK]

One question. When you see Younis Khan playing pace, falling over, getting beaten, does he inspire confidence?

Yes, he has his own way of handling pace, and it works for him, but there is no way he can be mentioned alongside the greats of his time when it comes to ability against pace. Of course, he's an ATG player of spin, but that's it.

Inspire confidence?? We are talking about a bastman who has batted at 3/4 and averages over 54; has 5 tons in the 4th innings (fantastic in all 4 innings); great record in Aus, Eng, NZ.

You said it; he has his own way of handling pace. It works so whats the problem here??

Are there better players of pace?? Yes, loads of them.
Does that in anyway undermine his acheivements or puts him at a disadvantage against others; just becuase they look better against pace??

No.

 

[Mamoon]

True worth of Mooen bhai on display. How did India make him look like a superstar.

 

[MRSN]

YK out of his 34 so far against Moeen bhai..22 runs off 17 balls @ 129.41..Mashallah

 

[Cricket lover 27]

Asad and Azhar had below average FC stats too (below 40 average). Stats aren't everything, these two were picked based on what the selectors saw in them, and they are a rare case of being groomed well (in Test cricket only in Asad's case). When you are technically sound, and know how to play the game, FC stats don't matter, it's your potential that matters.

True but even then there is nothing remotely to suggest he can surpass Younis.

Let him settle in the team first at U-19 level Shehzad in a Youth Test match against England in England made a 167 chasing 342 and we won. But look where Shehzad is now.

Just don't put too much high expectations first let them debut first. In international cricket people work out your weaknesses it's how you adapt separates a great player from a good player.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

No one is doing that. People are just highlighting his obvious weakness, that is not downplaying.

The guy has had a fantastic career (Tests), highlighting his weaknesses when he has just become Pakistans all time leading career serves no purpose other than to downplay his achievements

 

[Bilal7]

So gap between Younis and Clarke is as wide as the gap between Ponting and Ian Bell?

Stats-wise, yes. Clarke hardly averages 50, Younis nearly averages 55. Younis averages 50+ in away matches, Clarke averages under 40, etc.

 

[Asif321]

cant believe Malik is in whites and about to score Ton

 

[Bilal7]

True worth of Mooen bhai on display. How did India make him look like a superstar.

Mamoon must really be upset that Younis has become Pakistan's all-time run-scorer. In full trolling mode.

 

[90MPH]

I think people are mixing YKS ODI performances with his Tests. It's clearly clouding their judgement.

Funny these criticisms come after he surpasses the all time record.

 

[Mamoon]

Stats-wise, yes. Clarke hardly averages 50, Younis nearly averages 55. Younis averages 50+ in away matches, Clarke averages under 40, etc.

Say no more. Now we have heard it all.

Younis is to Clarke what Ponting is to Bell. Jesus Christ.

 

[Arsal_AK]

If YK scores in Eng and Aus next year (I see no reason why he wont); PP is going to be a fun place.

 

[MRSN]

Mamoon must really be upset that Younis has become Pakistan's all-time run-scorer. In full trolling mode.

aren't you upset that Moeen bhai is looking toothless on a turning pitch?

 

[Red Devil]

One question. When you see Younis Khan playing pace, falling over, getting beaten, does he inspire confidence?

Yes, he has his own way of handling pace, and it works for him, but there is no way he can be mentioned alongside the greats of his time when it comes to ability against pace. Of course, he's an ATG player of spin, but that's it.

Never said he should be mentioned alongside those guys. It's just laughable to suggest he's 'weak' against pace.

Yeah he has some limitations but 'weak' would be someone who regularly gets out against pace or has some serious issues.

YK is more than decent against pacers.

 

[Logical]

How did Moeen Ali get all those wickets against India

 

[cricketjoshila]

No one is doing that. People are just highlighting his obvious weakness, that is not downplaying.

His biggest weakpoint is hardly any tests outside Asia since 2006-07.He toured SA and failed there.He hardly has many runs outside Asia and hence will never be considered a great of the game unless he scores heavily in those places next year.

 

[Fallen King]

Never said he should be mentioned alongside those guys. It's just laughable to suggest he's 'weak' against pace.

Yeah he has some limitations but 'weak' would be someone who regularly gets out against pace or has some serious issues.

YK is more than decent against pacers.

Why poor in limited formats then? That is main requirement to succeed in limited formats. Even in limited formats, he plays spin well, but struggle against pacers.

 

[Mamoon]

His biggest weakpoint is hardly any tests outside Asia since 2006-07.He toured SA and failed there.He hardly has many runs outside Asia and hence will never be considered a great of the game unless he scores heavily in those places next year.

Yes and that has preserved his status. He's lucky to have missed the 2010 tour of England.

 

[Bilal7]

aren't you upset that Moeen bhai is looking toothless on a turning pitch?

It isn't turning much and he's up against one of the best players of spin that we've seen in a long time. Nothing to be ashamed of.

 

[Mamoon]

So is it trolling to say that Moeen bhai has looked extremely ordinary?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yes and that has preserved his status. He's lucky to have missed the 2010 tour of England.

And the 2009 tour of Australia.

 

[Naim]

from Malik

 

[Mamoon]

If anyone wants to place orders for delicious pies, please place your orders now, thank you.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Too lucky malik getting overconfident wouldve had his heart in his mouth. Stupid shot to play

 

[Bilal7]

Say no more. Now we have heard it all.

Younis is to Clarke what Ponting is to Bell. Jesus Christ.

... What Amla is to Root.

 

[Mamoon]

And the 2009 tour of Australia.

Would have scored in that tour. The bowling attack wasn't all that.

 

[Ahson8]

Malik 2 away from a ton on test comeback now.

 

[MRSN]

His biggest weakpoint is hardly any tests outside Asia since 2006-07.He toured SA and failed there.He hardly has many runs outside Asia and hence will never be considered a great of the game unless he scores heavily in those places next year.

exactly what we are saying. He has missed so many tough assignments that you cannot judge him just by stats. It's important how he got all his runs. by bashing spinners like Moeen bhai on flat roads is hardly going to get so much praise. He is in the leagues of Sarwan,Samaraveera just above the likes of Misbah but he cannot be mentioned with the names of Sanga,Ponting,Clarke,KP..

 

[Mamoon]

... What Amla is to Root.

... What Tendulkar is to du Plessis.

 

[Asif321]

malik on century

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Malik gets a 100 on ODI and Test comeback. Nice

 

[Bilal7]

Malik deserves a century, played exceptionally well today.

 

[Fallen King]

And the 2009 tour of Australia.

Even though he missed 2009 of Australia series. But that was fine batting pitch. There is possibility that he might have feasted on pacers alongside with Mohammad Yousuf.

No one stood chance to survive in the cloudy conditions during the tour of England, 2010.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Would have scored in that tour. The bowling attack wasn't all that.

The pitches were tough.It wasnt easy to score.

 

[Zahid87]

Pakistan are one of the only teams that have played Moeen Ali well. India and Australia were obsessed with attacking him.

Always said, he will bowl a bad ball every over. No need to try anything stupid.

Saying that, I suppose its easier to do it here where by and large, the threat posed by the pace bowlers is much reduced compared to English conditions.

 

[Arsal_AK]

on return.

What a brilliant knock.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Even though he missed 2009 of Australia series. But that was fine batting pitch. There is possibility that he might have feasted on pacers alongside with Mohammad Yousuf.

No one stood chance to survive in the cloudy conditions during the tour of England, 2010.

How many did MoYo score in Aus in 2009?

 

[Strike Rate]

Happy moment for [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] no Sajda by Malik after a 100 on come back

 

[Adil_94]

What a knock by shobby class act


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[Fallen King]

Well Played, Shoaib Malik.

A entertaining century from the Day 1, Masha Allah...Keep it up!

 

[Mamoon]

What a knock.

 

[Bilal7]

Great stuff Malik! MashAllah!

 

[Watsupdoc]

What a comeback from Malik!

 

[Asif321]

wow great innings

 

[JibranAnsari]

Brilliant innings :100

 

[Mamoon]

Clutching at straws: but but but he was caught off a no-ball.

 

[Red Devil]

Why poor in limited formats then? That is main requirement to succeed in limited formats. Even in limited formats, he plays spin well, but struggle against pacers.

Was Jayawardene weak against pace too? Because his limited overs record isn't as good as his Test record as well.

 

[Logical]

Really happy to see no sajda for once

 

[cricketjoshila]

Pakistan are one of the only teams that have played Moeen Ali well. India and Australia were obsessed with attacking him.

Always said, he will bowl a bad ball every over. No need to try anything stupid.

Saying that, I suppose its easier to do it here where by and large, the threat posed by the pace bowlers is much reduced compared to English conditions.

You cannot compare.India and Aus played him in England where the pacers created pressure and thats why they attacked Moeen.Here the pacers hardly do anything and hence Moeen isnt that dangerous.

 

[Bilal7]

Happy moment for [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] no Sajda by Malik after a 100 on come back

Still follows the sunnah of sitting down and drinking water, MashAllah.

 

[zabalestmsm]

As already pointed out, stats are a guide only. There are other factors and considerations as well.

Sangakkara never dominated pacers? Okay.

You are giving an impression as if YK played pacers in a survival mode throughout his career. Which is not the case. His start is a bit shaky but gets comfortable as he builds his innings. And he has dominated them as well.

Sangakkara did not have a shaky start to his innings but he also dominated spinners more.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Jamai Raja showing how staying in India and breathing Indian Air improves batting.

 

[Red Devil]

Malik has been so good since his comeback. The time he spent outside the team helped him develop those mad skills mA.

 

[Bilal7]

They surely can't drop Malik now, which means that Shan Masood's career might be over. The likes of Babar Azam and Sami Aslam are already knocking on the door while we have Shehzad, Hafeez and one of Azhar or Malik playing as an opener for the near future, at least.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You are giving an impression as if YK played pacers in a survival mode throughout his career. Which is not the case. His start is a bit shaky but gets comfortable as he builds his innings. And he has dominated them as well.

Sangakkara did not have a shaky start to his innings but he also dominated spinners more.

YK hasnt played pacers outside Asia much.Whenever he has played he hasnt looked great most of the times.

 

[Bilal7]

Khan's strike-rate: Nearly 70.

 

[Strike Rate]

Still follows the sunnah of sitting down and drinking water, MashAllah.

mashALLAH

 

[Fallen King]

How many did MoYo score in Aus in 2009?

Mohammad Yousuf didn't do well which was shocker. But with the presence of Younus Khan, all the pressures wouldn't be mounted on Mohammad Yousuf alone. Mohammad Yousuf is not under pressure type of batsman despite of being world-class batsman. Both had Inzimam to rely on just in case if they had failed which sort of gave them some confident.

 

[Mamoon]

Malik and his haters post World Cup.