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Pakistan vs England | 2nd Test | Dubai | Oct 22-26 | Day 3

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yasir said:
He does not go after short ball in test, but in odi he does that all the time and better than Shezad or Hafeez.

His pull and cut are superior than rest. Hook is variation of pull, most Asian don't go for it, since they don't have too specially in test.


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Azhar Ali is slightly ahead of his teammates in terms of handling pace but that doesn't make him efficient, but rather capable to survive and defend comfortably, most of our players feast and fill their boots against spinners. Hafeez currently is the most competent and assertive player of pace in this lot despite his off side fishing and losing his wicket. He seems the most confident player when facing pace, the rest are just amateurish and don't have the guts to survive which is really shambolic on these sort of surfaces with hardly any movement.
 
Bilal7 said:
Amir, Riaz, Junaid/Asif/Mir Hamza/Rahat and Shah will win us the series against England if the batting holds up. If Sri Lanka can win a series, I don't see any reason why we can't either.

As for Australia, if they lay out the same flat tracks that India were served, our batsmen will pile on the runs if they can get over the mental pressure of batting in Australia. Riaz will give Australia a whole serving of their own medicine in Perth.
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"If batting holds" - that's a big if, that's why we did not win in 2010, and never in Australia.

I will not hold my breath !!


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If England want a wicket, they should get Moeen on and put a fielder each, at mid-on and cow corner. He's likely to go big and might get out.
 
yasir said:
He does not go after short ball in test, but in odi he does that all the time and better than Shezad or Hafeez.

His pull and cut are superior than rest. Hook is variation of pull, most Asian don't go for it, since they don't have too specially in test.


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cant disagree more
 
These 2 seniors need to build a long partnership. Asad is reliable but Sarfi isn't. And don't talk about our tail :facepalm:
 
yasir said:
"If batting holds" - that's a big if, that's why we did not win in 2010, and never in Australia.

I will not hold my breath !!


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It is but with Azhar and Shafiq becoming world-class players and with Younis and Misbah likely having one last good series in them, I wouldn't be too worried. Then we have some good back-up options in Haris, Rizwan and Babar.
 
Misbah's played short ball very poorly. First he picked the wrong ball, the ball was on off stump and high, why you want to pull it??

Even if this was on middle and leg, go for hook rather then pull.


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"Have you been to that joint." It's the greatest hotel in the world, use a better word to refer to it.
 
Younis Khan is quite capable against pace. If I was to rate his ability against pace, I'd give him a 7.5 out of 10, compared to a 9.5 out of 10 for his ability against spin. Amla and de Villiers would get 9 against both types of bowling.

Just because Khan has been so good against the spinners, people seem to think that his game against the pacers is weak, which is not the case. Yes, his technique isn't anything to write home about but he looks pretty awkward batting against the spinners too. He's made it work and that is what matters.

A future ATG.
 
Bilal7 said:
It is but with Azhar and Shafiq becoming world-class players and with Younis and Misbah likely having one last good series in them, I wouldn't be too worried. Then we have some good back-up options in Haris, Rizwan and Babar.
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Misbah and Younis having good series, they cannot play fast bowler even in UAE.

I have a theory, if team plays 5/6 pacers in UAE and no spinners they can win test series against us. All these runs are still coming off of spinners. If you don't give spinners to these two, they cannot score specially Misbah.

But nobody has tried that theory on us, it's hard to play that many pacers in this heat. It's the extra heat of UAE that is keeping our winning streak alive [emoji6][emoji6][emoji6]


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YK has no idea how play seam bowling, really embarrassing for a veteran of 100+ tests, a gulf of difference between Misbah and him to handle pace.
 
Clouderson not good enough to get the reverse-swing going so he has to resort to cutters, like a petty medium pacer. How did this guy get 400 wickets? Disgraceful.
 
Critical Analyst said:
YK has no idea how play seam bowling, really embarrassing for a veteran of 100+ tests, a gulf of difference between Misbah and him to handle pace.
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Inshallah he will continue to embarrass himself until the close of play today.
 
yasir said:
Misbah and Younis having good series, they cannot play fast bowler even in UAE.

I have a theory, if team plays 5/6 pacers in UAE and no spinners they can win test series against us. All these runs are still coming off of spinners. If you don't give spinners to these two, they cannot score specially Misbah.

But nobody has tried that theory on us, it's hard to play that many pacers in this heat. It's the extra heat of UAE that is keeping our winning streak alive [emoji6][emoji6][emoji6]


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Not at all. A good batting side always shows respect to the opposition's best bowlers and preys on their weakest ones. If the spinners are taken out, Misbah and Younis will take on someone like Stokes and Clouderson.

Do I need to remind you of Misbah's fastest century? Most of his runs came off pace, IIRC.
 
Bilal7 said:
Younis Khan is quite capable against pace. If I was to rate his ability against pace, I'd give him a 7.5 out of 10, compared to a 9.5 out of 10 for his ability against spin. Amla and de Villiers would get 9 against both types of bowling.

Just because Khan has been so good against the spinners, people seem to think that his game against the pacers is weak, which is not the case. Yes, his technique isn't anything to write home about but he looks pretty awkward batting against the spinners too. He's made it work and that is what matters.

A future ATG.
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This. Never understand why people say YK can't play against pace. That is not true. Just because he is great against spin, it doesn't mean he is poor against pace. I think he is decent against pace and so is Misbah. It's just that these two are great against spin so people think that they can't play pace which is a total myth.
 
Bilal7 said:
Younis Khan is quite capable against pace. If I was to rate his ability against pace, I'd give him a 7.5 out of 10, compared to a 9.5 out of 10 for his ability against spin. Amla and de Villiers would get 9 against both types of bowling.

Just because Khan has been so good against the spinners, people seem to think that his game against the pacers is weak, which is not the case. Yes, his technique isn't anything to write home about but he looks pretty awkward batting against the spinners too. He's made it work and that is what matters.

A future ATG.
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YK 7.5 out of 10 against pace

:))) You've gotta be kidding me!

He can hardly survive and looks very awkward against fast bowlers, he can't even score 10% of his runs against pacers. What makes you rate him so higher?
 
Rashid bhai is the first leg-spinner who has made the beautiful art of leg-spin bowling look ugly.
 
The_KING said:
This. Never understand why people say YK can't play against pace. That is not true. Just because he is great against spin, it doesn't mean he is poor against pace. I think he is decent against pace and so is Misbah. It's just that these two are great against spin so people think that they can't play pace which is a total myth.
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Misbah: Yes

YK: No No, he's a massive flop against pace.
 
IAJ said:
More like not able to score against him...
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But according to some, he is a useless trundler bowling off-cutters, so the great players of pace on show should be able to attack him?

The logic doesn't add up for me.
 
If you are giving Amla bhai and de Villiers 9.5/10 against pace, you are doing them tremendous disservice by giving Younis 7.5.

Both are on a different planet when it comes to handling pace, compare to Younis.
 
See YK is dragging every ball with an inside edge toward his pads, he's standing so far out of his crease to avoid getting LBW.
 
Mamoon said:
But according to some, he is a useless trundler bowling off-cutters, so the great players of pace on show should be able to attack him?

The logic doesn't add up for me.
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Deliberately making him look good, in case they drop him for Samit Patel and a left arm spinner takes Pakistan apart again.
 
Critical Analyst said:
Misbah: Yes

YK: No No, he's a massive flop against pace.
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This post is a joke. Most test runs for pak in 25 tests less than the "greatest player of pace" inzamam (according to some). People need to understand he doesnt dominate pace but to say he cant play against place is retarded
 
Mamoon said:
But according to some, he is a useless trundler bowling off-cutters, so the great players of pace on show should be able to attack him?

The logic doesn't add up for me.
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Maybe it's the batting making him out to be as miserly as Joel Garner in ODIs.
 
Mr ATG was in trouble against another ATG phast bowler. What a battle of ATGs [emoji851][emoji851]


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Critical Analyst said:
YK 7.5 out of 10 against pace

:))) You've gotta be kidding me!

He can hardly survive and looks very awkward against fast bowlers, he can't even score 10% of his runs against pacers. What makes you rate him so higher?
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He averages 50+ at #3 and 50+ in England and New Zealand. I've already acknowledged that he has an awkward technique but that is the case when he plays spin too. Instead of using smileys, maybe you could develop a better argument as to why you think he's poor against pace, other than the generic "duh, he look bad against fast balling, duh, he cannot hit six against fast balling."

Mamoon said:
Rashid bhai is the first leg-spinner who has made the beautiful art of leg-spin bowling look ugly.
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It's because of his beard. Your mind is geared towards seeing anything with hair on it's face, in a negative manner. Big Foot would probably just be another over-sized squirrel for you.
 
The_KING said:
Not in my opinion. I say YK is decent against pace too. He looks awkward because of his technique and the way he bats and not because he can't play against pace.
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I would hardly give him a 3 out of 10 against pace, he is absolutely horrendous against pace bowling, looks in all sorts of mess when handling fast bowlers and can't even defend assertively. Misbah is much better than him in this aspect!
 
Big Mac said:
Deliberately making him look good, in case they drop him for Samit Patel and a left arm spinner takes Pakistan apart again.
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I hope they include samit patel because twice as bad as moeen if thats possible
 
Critical Analyst said:
I would hardly give him a 3 out of 10 against pace, he is absolutely horrendous against pace bowling, looks in all sorts of mess when handling fast bowlers and can't even defend assertively. Misbah is much better than him in this aspect!
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Younis is 6.5/7 against pace in tests. You cant have an average of nearly 55 if youre 3 against pace. But alas youre such a great analyst who can argue
 
Critical Analyst said:
I would hardly give him a 3 out of 10 against pace, he is absolutely horrendous against pace bowling, looks in all sorts of mess when handling fast bowlers and can't even defend assertively. Misbah is much better than him in this aspect!
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I would give you a 1 out of 10 for your cricket analyzing skills, if you believe what you just said here.
 
A 1/10 batsman against pace won't be able to survive, Younis deserves points for his ability to survive by hook or crook.
 
Younis "looks" ordinary but it must hurt people when Younis makes them question their eyes when he keeps piling on the runs. His record in England, New Zealand and Australia must be scarring for these people, as must his record at #3.
 
aliasad1998 said:
Bro someone please explain what clouderson means!!!!
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The myth that Anderson can only bowl well if there is a back cloud above or a green pitch below, that was true pre-2008 but not post-2008. He has done well in UAE, Sri Lanka, India and now doing well in UAE again.
 
Hahahahahahahahhahahaha what a surprise from misbah. In his prime that wouldve been a 100 metre six
 
Misbah is very poor against pace, if I am not mistaken, his LBW percentage is on par with LB Watson.




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Bilal7 said:
Younis "looks" ordinary but it must hurt people when Younis makes them question their eyes when he keeps piling on the runs. His record in England, New Zealand and Australia must be scarring for these people, as must his record at #3.
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Hasn't played in England and Australia for a decade.
 
Misbah's "khalara shot" against Anderson [emoji12][emoji12]


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