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Badminton singles

Sen moves to semis defeating the higher ranked Chinese Taipei player in 3sets

He will play Viktor in semis most likely.

Great result for india, this is the first time we have a player reaching semis in mens singles badminton in olympics
 

Lin wins controversial first bout at Paris Olympics​

Taiwanese boxer Lin Yu-ting, whose inclusion at the Paris Olympics has sparked controversy after she was reported to have failed a gender test last year, won her first bout of the Games in the women's division.

Lin - like Algerian Imane Khelif, who progressed on Thursday - was banned by the International Boxing Association (IBA) but has been allowed to compete at the Olympics, which are run by the International Olympic Committee (IOC).

The 28-year-old entered the arena to cheers, which were followed by some boos, before beating Sitora Turdibekova in the 57kg category.

The pair shook hands briefly after the bout but did not after the result was confirmed.

Turdibekova left the arena in tears and did not stop to speak to the media. She and her team quickly left the venue.

Lin stopped briefly, but did not answer a question.

The controversy has engulfed the Olympics after Italy's Angela Carini withdrew from her bout with Khelif on Thursday, saying: "I had to preserve my life."

Whereas Khelif's bout lasted just 46 seconds, this went the full three rounds - with Lin victorious by unanimous decision.

Only one of the five judges awarded a round to Uzbekistan's Turdibekova.

Lin, who now has a career record of 41 wins and 14 defeats, is a three-time World Championship medallist and two-time Asian champion. Turdibekova, aged 22, was competing at her first Olympics.

The IBA has said Lin and Khelif were banned "to uphold the level of fairness and utmost integrity of the competition". Lin was stripped of a bronze medal at last year's World Championships.

Last June, the IBA - a Russian-led body - was stripped of its status as the sport's world governing body by the IOC.

The IOC, which defines gender by how it is recorded on an athlete's passport, said the pair were "suddenly disqualified without any due process".

"The question you have to ask yourself is 'are these athletes women?'," spokesperson Mark Adams said prior to Friday's fight.

"The answer is 'yes'. According to their eligibility, their passports, their history. A test which may have happened - a made-up test which was new - should not be given credence."

The IBA, however, defines gender differently.

It defines a woman, female or girl as "an individual with chromosome XX" and men, males or boys as "an individual with chromosome XY".

IBA chief executive Chris Roberts told BBC sports editor Dan Roan tests were completed after "there was ongoing concerns that were picked up by our medical committee".

Source: BBC
 
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Semi final

Omg 😳 gold 🥇is coming 😉
India 🇮🇳 vs Denmark 🇩🇰

Lakshya sen vs viktor axelsen 🔥🔥
 
big_gamer007 said:
It doesn’t matter if she lost to other women or not.

S/he has male chromosomes, s/he shouldn’t be allowed to compete in women’s sports.

hypothetically, if phelps had XX chromosomes he shouldn’t be allowed to compete in men’s competition even though he could could beat all men.

Simple as that.

Not blaming the athlete here, it’s not her fault for her biological issue, IOC can make new category for these athletes to be fair to them.
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why doesnt it matter she lost to other women?
 
Convicted rapist Van de Velde booed loudly during defeat

Convicted child rapist Steven van de Velde was loudly booed when playing for the Netherlands in their Olympic beach volleyball defeat by Norway on Friday.

Van de Velde was sentenced to four years in prison in 2016 after admitting three counts of rape against a 12-year-old British girl.

The 29-year-old came on to a low-key welcome when entering the arena in Paris with volleyball partner Matthew Immers before their third match.

However, there were vociferous boos when Van de Velde was later introduced individually to the crowd and walked on to the court at Eiffel Tower Stadium.

There were also jeers and whistling throughout when Van de Velde served during a 2-0 defeat by current Olympic champions Anders Mol and Christian Sorum.

Despite the result, Van de Velde and Immers have reached the last 16, having won one and lost two matches. The last-16 matches will be played on Sunday and Monday.



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Djokovic sets up Olympic final with Alcaraz

Novak Djokovic will face Carlos Alcaraz in Saturday's men's singles gold-medal match, which will be a repeat of last month's Wimbledon final.

Djokovic, holder of a men's record 24 Grand Slam titles, beat Italian Lorenzo Musetti 6-4 6-2 on Friday to reach the Olympic final for the first time.

The 37-year-old Serb, who lost in straight sets to Alcaraz at the All England Club last month, has won every major singles title except the Olympics.

He was fourth in Tokyo three years ago and took bronze at Beijing in 2008 - his only previous Olympic medal.

Djokovic's routine win was in stark contrast to his match on the same court against Musetti at the French Open two months ago, which went to five sets and finished at 03:07 local time.

He now faces Spanish second seed Alcaraz, who thrashed Canada's Felix Auger-Aliassime 6-1 6-1 in Friday's other semi-final.


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Badminton men's singles, not even a single player from China qualified for semis.

Denmark, Thailand, malaysia and india.

Viktor has the best chance to win gold again. He is the current champion from tokyo games
 
AamchiMumbaikar said:
Badminton singles

Sen moves to semis defeating the higher ranked Chinese Taipei player in 3sets

He will play Viktor in semis most likely.

Great result for india, this is the first time we have a player reaching semis in mens singles badminton in olympics
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Yeah gr8 result....but small correction -first time 'Male' player in semis...as Saina Nehwal and PV S has already reached and won in badminton semis before....But good on our guy - May he go all the way!
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Djokovic sets up Olympic final with Alcaraz

Novak Djokovic will face Carlos Alcaraz in Saturday's men's singles gold-medal match, which will be a repeat of last month's Wimbledon final.

Djokovic, holder of a men's record 24 Grand Slam titles, beat Italian Lorenzo Musetti 6-4 6-2 on Friday to reach the Olympic final for the first time.

The 37-year-old Serb, who lost in straight sets to Alcaraz at the All England Club last month, has won every major singles title except the Olympics.

He was fourth in Tokyo three years ago and took bronze at Beijing in 2008 - his only previous Olympic medal.

Djokovic's routine win was in stark contrast to his match on the same court against Musetti at the French Open two months ago, which went to five sets and finished at 03:07 local time.

He now faces Spanish second seed Alcaraz, who thrashed Canada's Felix Auger-Aliassime 6-1 6-1 in Friday's other semi-final.


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This is going to be exciting.
If Djoker can win this, I will do him a huge favour by announcing him my Tennis GOAT. Although Federer would always be the finest to ever play.
 
Ugly scenes as France edge out Argentina in quarter-final

France set up an Olympic men's football semi-final with Egypt after beating Argentina 1-0 in a hostile quarter-final marred by ugly scenes at the final whistle.

Players and coaches from both sides clashed on the pitch at the end as the hosts booked their last-four spot.

Crystal Palace striker Jean-Philippe Mateta got France's winner when he headed home Michael Olise's fifth-minute corner at the near post.

Argentina's best chance came just before half-time with Giuliano Simeone heading over from close range.

France had a late goal ruled out as the video assistant referee (VAR) ruled Maghnes Akliouche had fouled an opponent before Olise found the net with a deflected effort.

There has been recent animosity between the teams, with Argentina players filmed singing a derogatory song about France's black players in the aftermath of winning the Copa America on 14 July.

French fans booed the Argentinian national anthem before the match at Nouveau Stade de Bordeaux, and the fracas at the final whistle highlighted the rivalry and tension.

France, who last won Olympic gold in men's football in 1984, will face Egypt in Monday's semi-final (20:00 BST) after the Pharaohs beat Paraguay 5-4 on penalties following a 1-1 draw.

Argentina, who beat France on penalties at the 2022 World Cup, were hoping to become the first nation to be both the reigning world and Olympic champions since Italy in 1936.

The result rounded off a brilliant day for French sport with the 2024 hosts winning gold medals in judo, swimming and cycling BMX earlier on Friday.

Fermin Lopez scored twice as Spain defeated Japan 3-0 in Lyon to move into the semi-finals.

The Barcelona midfielder, who was part of Spain's victorious Euro 2024 squad, opened the scoring early on with a left-foot drive into the right corner and added his second, with a dipping right-foot shot from 20 yards, after the break.

Mao Hosoya, who hit the post for Japan, thought he had equalised late in the first period but his effort was ruled out for offside after a lengthy video assistant referee review.

Abel Ruiz's late tap-in sealed victory for the European side, who will now play Morocco in Marseille on Monday (17:00 BST).

Morocco dominated from start to finish at Parc des Princes as they thrashed the United States 4-0 to reach the competition's last four for the first time.

Soufiane Rahimi set them on their way, knocking in his fifth goal of the tournament from the penalty spot just before the half-hour mark.

Ilias Akhomach doubled their lead with a close-range finish and captain Achraf Hakimi extended their advantage with a left-foot effort after a fine run.

Substitute Mehdi Maouhoub rounded off the scoring with another penalty in stoppage time following a VAR review for a handball.

"I felt like I was playing at home in this stadium where I play for my club, but also because our fans were very loud and were here in big numbers," said Hakimi, who plays in France for Paris St-Germain.

"Fans have been following us all tournament, I hope they can follow us all the way to the final. We want to make them proud."

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Kind of cool how Alcaraz faces the player who knocked out Nadal in the final again. Djokovic is a different beast from Zverev though, still 70-30 Carlito for me.
 
Who is Yusuf Dikec, the Turkish shooter who went viral at the 2024 Olympics?

urkish pistol shooter Yusuf Dikec has gone viral on social media for his seemingly casual attitude while shooting his way to a silver medal at the 2024 Olympics.

The most-shared images show Dikec shooting in a T-shirt with one hand in his pocket, a seemingly standard pair of glasses and an impassive look on his face. He’s been likened to a regular guy competing at the Olympics, or even a hitman.

The 51-year-old is no newcomer, though. He’s competed at every Summer Olympics since 2008.

Some memes contrast Dikec with his Serbian opponent Damir Mikec, who was wearing a blinder over one eye, a lens over the other and a large pair of ear defenders.

Did Dikec win a medal?

He did, and it made history.

Dikec and Sevval Ilayda Tarhan won the silver medal in mixed team 10-meter air pistol shooting Tuesday. It was Turkey’s first-ever medal in Olympic shooting.

Mikec and Zorana Arunovic won gold for Serbia. The bronze went to India’s Manu Bhaker and Sarabjot Singh.

Unlike Dikec, his teammate Tarhan was competing with large ear defenders and a visor, as well as braids in the red and white colors of the Turkish flag. She was shooting with one hand in her pocket, too.

Dikec was 13th in his individual event and is now done at the Paris Olympics. He’s looking ahead to the next Games in 2028, though. “I hope next in Los Angeles (for) a gold medal,” he said Tuesday.

What does he think about going viral?

Dikec seems to be embracing the trend, reposting a video compilation of Turkish-language memes about him to his Instagram page.

The shooting events were held around three hours’ drive south of Paris. Dikec and Tarhan made the journey to the French capital Wednesday, where they were greeted with cheers at the Champions Park, an open-air venue where medalists celebrate with fans.

Why didn’t Dikec wear more gear?

Shooters have some freedom about how they dress for competition.

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Many shooters at the Olympic range in Chateauroux, central France, choose to wear visors to reduce the glare of the lights or so-called blinders over one eye to get a better focus for the eye which is looking down the sights.

It’s not quite true that Dikec wasn’t wearing any shooting gear. He had yellow earplugs to block out distractions while he shot in the final. They just weren’t visible from the angle of the image which went viral.

Just like Dikec, Chinese rifle shooter Liu Yukun won a gold medal Thursday wearing earplugs but no blinder or visor.

Have other shooters gone viral at the 2024 Olympics?

Yes, South Korean pistol shooter Kim Yeji’s confident demeanor and dramatic stance have brought praise on social media for her “main character energy”.

“The Olympic #shootingsport stars we didn’t know we needed,” the official Olympics account on X posted Thursday with pictures of Kim and Dikec.

Kim won silver in the women’s 10-meter air pistol event Sunday behind her South Korean teammate Oh Ye Jin. Kim and Oh are roommates and Kim said she was pleased Oh got the gold because she sees her like a “youngest sibling”.

Kim is set to compete again Friday in qualification for the women’s 25-meter pistol event.

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Team GB hold off Netherlands to win men’s eight rowing gold at Olympics

Great Britain’s men’s eight added to their world honours by winning the Olympic title at Paris 2024.

Morgan Bolding, Sholto Carnegie, Jacob Dawson, Tom Digby, Charlie Elwes, Tom Ford, Rory Gibbs and James Rudkin withstood challenges from the Netherlands and the United States to win in five minutes 22.88 seconds. Britain and the Netherlands set their stall out from the start and were neck and neck at the 1,000 metres halfway stage.

The double European and double world champions during this Olympic cycle broke clear over the next 500, completing a brilliant victory to beat the Dutch by over one second.

It was a second British medal of the day after the women’s team took bronze in their final. The crew of Annie Campbell-Orde, Holly Dunford, Emily Ford, Lauren Irwin, Heidi Long, Rowan McKellar, Eve Stewart and Hattie Taylor finished third behind world champions Romania and Canada in a time of five minutes 59.51 seconds.

Romania forced the pace from the start and never looked like being caught. Britain tried to squeeze Canada in the final 250 but finished 0.67secs down on the reigning Olympic champions.

Cox Henry Fieldman had won bronze in the Tokyo GB men’s eight three years ago and repeated the feat in the women’s boat.

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Hikaru said:
I know brother, just comparing it to the previous one. Let's hope things get better for both countries in coming competitions.
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Potential medals yet to come
1 - Hockey
1 - Boxing
1-2 - Wrestling
1 - Badminton
1 - Athletics
I think we will match Tokyo if not better but the question is how many golds?
 
Major said:
why doesnt it matter she lost to other women?
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Assuming a normal male. If compete in MMA, will get his butt whipped by professional women fighters. However, during climb when he face women at similar level as him, he would easily overpower them.

Does that give him a right to fight woman since he lost to some fighters better than him? Does it give him right to beat woman who are not elite fighter?

Same ways, it doesn’t matter this person lost against other woman better than them. The person has male chromosomes which is why they were barred from woman’s boxing in 2023. They shouldn’t be allowed to participate in women’s sport, it’s assault not sport.

If IOC truly cares about these people then they can always start a new category where people with both male and female chromosomes can compete against each other.

But allowing someone with male chromosomes and male level testosterone to compete in combat sports against woman is a crime.
 
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big_gamer007 said:
Assuming a normal male. If compete in MMA, will get his butt whipped by professional women fighters. However, during climb when he face women at similar level as him, he would easily overpower them.

Does that give him a right to fight woman since he lost to some fighters better than him? Does it give him right to beat woman who are not elite fighter?

Same ways, it doesn’t matter this person lost against other woman better than them. The person has male chromosomes which is why they were barred from woman’s boxing in 2023. They shouldn’t be allowed to participate in women’s sport, it’s assault not sport.

If IOC truly cares about these people then they can always start a new category where people with both male and female chromosomes can compete against each other.

But allowing someone with male chromosomes and male level testosterone to compete in combat sports against woman is a crime.
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1. You are assuming a normal male, but in this case, iman khalif is a proper trained professional, not normal.

At one point you made claims that her fighting was unsafe, than now you are bringing in an argument that even a normal male would lose.

That is a very flawed argument and arguing for the sake of it, sorry.

2.The fact she has lost fights does matter. The whole argument that the italian created was that she got punched in the nose and made claims that because she believes thats a man, she cant defeat him, when in fact this women has lost 9 fights.

3.She was barred by an organisation which has now deemed illegal due to its corrupt practices..

4.No you cannot make categories based on chromosome. You are now changing the whole definition of sex,
 
5. Sorry testostrones argument is flawed. Again, michael phelps has a an advantage, no different groups are being made him. There are always going to be females with highlevel of testostrones, are you gonna start refering them as males?

Every athelete in the olympics has higher level of testostrones compare to normal people. Infact, the olympic management has to put condoms in the goodie bags due to the environment that exists in the olympic camps/villiages.

5.The fact that you keep refering Imane as Him etc is offensive itself, and that makes you a part of the online bullying culture, just because you read an article which posted against her.
 
Every olympian in any paralymic games is a winner , irrespective of if they won a medal or not.....
Kudos to them, the people who encouraged them and believed in them. This represents one of the biggest triumps of human spirit over adversity.
Cheeers to all Paraolympians!
 

GB defy turbulent build-up to win dressage bronze​


Great Britain's dressage riders put a turbulent build-up behind them to win team bronze at the Paris Olympics.

Seven-time Olympian Carl Hester, Lottie Fry and Becky Moody scored a combined 232.492% to place behind gold medallists Germany and Denmark in silver on the podium at Chateau de Versailles.

It came less than two weeks after Charlotte Dujardin, the star of British dressage, withdrew on the eve of the Games and was provisionally suspended by equestrian's world governing body for "excessively" whipping a horse.

GB have now won medals in this event at four consecutive Games.

This was also their fourth equestrian medal at Paris 2024 so far, following golds in the team eventing and jumping, and Laura Collett's individual eventing bronze.

After Dujardin's withdrawal, Moody was promoted from alternate to make her Olympic debut and, going first for GB in Saturday's final, scored a personal best of 76.489% on Jagerbomb to put her team top of the standings after the opening group of riders.

Hester, the veteran and team talisman, had hoped for more than his 76.520% score on Fame, as Denmark and then Germany - who had always been expected to contest the gold - moved ahead in the standings.

Fry, the 2022 individual world champion, scored 79.483% on Glamourdale to secure a medal for the British trio, though they faced an anxious wait to have the colour confirmed.

Germany have now won a record 15 golds in the team dressage event, including eight of the past nine - with Great Britain's victory at London 2012 the only blip.

The equestrian world was rocked on 23 July when Dujardin, British dressage's darling and GB's joint-most decorated female Olympian, announced her withdrawal from the Games after a video emerged showing her "making an error of judgement".

That error of judgement, it later transpired, was her whipping a horse around its legs during a training session.

As a result, the FEI suspended the six-time Olympic medallist pending an investigation, while Dujardin also had her UK Sport funding suspended and lost a host of sponsors.

It came as a "huge shock" to the team, according to 57-year-old Hester. But with an Olympics about to start, there was no time to dwell.

"You dream of coming to an Olympic Games and getting a personal best, so that was amazing," Moody, 44, told BBC Sport after her performance in the final.

"Two weeks ago I was expecting to come for a lovely 10-day holiday in France, to be inspired, learn, and go home better.

"Having to do this, there's been a bit of nausea but it's been an amazing experience with an incredible team around me."

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Olympics dressage: Great Britain win team bronze despite Charlotte Dujardin withdrawal

Great Britain's dressage riders put a turbulent build-up behind them to win team bronze at the Paris Olympic Games.
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GB's Wilson wins bronze in women's IQFoil​


Emma Wilson has won Great Britain's first sailing medal at the Paris 2024 Olympics with bronze in the women's IQFoil event.

The 25-year-old was guaranteed a windsurfing medal after dominating the opening series off the Marseille coast.

But Wilson had to settle for bronze in the final as Italy's Marta Maggetti won gold and Israel's Sharon Kantor took silver.

It is Wilson's second Olympic medal having also won bronze at the Tokyo 2020 Games in the RS:X event, which has been replaced by IQFoil.

Wilson slumped on to her board in disappointment at the finish, having been unable to reproduce her fine form from the preliminary races.

She had finished well clear at the top of the standings after winning eight of the 14 races, coming outside the top three in just one.

That secured a bye to the final while Kantor and Maggetti went straight through to the semi-final after being second and third respectively.

The duo earned the two spots alongside Wilson in the final and the Briton started well, holding a narrow lead round the first and second marks.

But Maggetti then charged from third place to lead round marks three and four, before holding off Kantor to the finish to claim her first Olympic medal having been fourth at Tokyo.

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Paris 2024: Great Britain's Emma Wilson wins women's IQFoil bronze

Emma Wilson wins Great Britain's first sailing medal at the Paris 2024 Olympics with bronze in the women's IQFoil event.
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Hikaru said:
A sad Olympic for India so far, had better expectations.
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Yes, would have been great if P.V.Sindhu had gone further. Too bad she couldn't make it.
We can still get two golds in hockey and badminton. Fingers crossed.
I don't hold much hope for Neeraj Chopra this time. He has been battling injuries and hasn't been participating in oter tournaments lately.
 

Eligibility-row boxer Khelif secures Paris medal​


Algerian boxer Imane Khelif is guaranteed at least a bronze medal at the Paris Olympics after beating Hungarian Luca Anna Hamori in the 66kg category.

Khelif is one of two boxers competing in Paris despite being banned by the International Boxing Association (IBA) after she was reported to have failed gender eligibility tests, a situation which has sparked huge controversy.

Hamori said prior to the fight she did not "think it is fair" Khelif was competing but the bout was largely fought in good spirits.

It lasted all three rounds with Khelif winning by unanimous decision.

The pair shared an embrace after the bell and again after the result was confirmed.

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Imane Khelif wins again in Olympic boxing to guarantee medal at Paris 2024

Algerian boxer Imane Khelif is guaranteed at least a bronze medal at the Paris Olympics after beating Hungarian Luca Anna Hamori in the 66kg category.
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Hayes' USA beat Japan to reach Olympic semi-finals​


Trinity Rodman scored in extra time as Emma Hayes' United States beat Japan in the women's football quarter-finals at Paris 2024.

After a goalless 90 minutes in a game lacking quality at Parc des Princes, Rodman struck a sublime curling effort into the top-left corner just before half-time of extra time.

The USA last won Olympic gold at London 2012 and are bidding for a fifth Olympic title under new manager Hayes, who is coaching the team at her first major tournament since being appointed in May.

They will face Canada or Germany in the semi-finals on Tuesday.

The USA have long been a dominant force in international women's football but have dropped off in recent years, suffering their worst performance at a Women's World Cup in 2023 as they were knocked out by Sweden in the last 16.

Former Chelsea boss Hayes steered the Blues to 13 major trophies in her 11 years in charge before arriving in the USA, faced with the challenge of turning those fortunes around.

Hayes cut a frustrated figure on the touchline at times on Saturday, standing with her hands on her hips or arms folded, throwing her head back at each disappointing missed chance by her side.

Chances were few and far between but Sophia Smith twice went close while Mallory Swanson could not get her rising shot to dip below the bar, before Rodman's late goal sparked jubilation from Hayes and a crowd packed with USA fans.

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Paris 2024: United States beat Japan to reach Olympic semi-finals

Trinity Rodman scores in extra time as Emma Hayes' United States beat Japan in the Olympic quarter-finals at Parc des Princes.
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Evenepoel survives late puncture to win second gold​

Belgium's Remco Evenepoel survived a late puncture to secure a dominant victory in the Olympic men's road race in Paris and add to the gold medal he won in the time trial seven days ago.

The 2022 world champion became the first man to win both road cycling events at the same Games.

Evenepoel, 24, attacked from the peloton and bridged across to the front group inside the final 40km.

He then set a punishing pace with the last rider, France's Valentin Madouas, dropping off his wheel on the penultimate climb with 15km to go.

The Belgian had a late scare, having to change bikes after a puncture inside the final four kilometres, but he had already built a substantial lead and cruised to victory one minute and 11 seconds ahead of Madouas in second.

Madouas' fellow Frenchman Christophe Laporte won bronze as he out-sprinted a small group for third.

Ireland's Ben Healy, who spent much of the race in the leading group, rolled home in 10th, while Great Britain's Tom Pidcock, who won mountain bike gold on Monday, finished 13th.

Evenepoel finished third in his first Tour de France 13 days ago.

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Absolute upsets at 100m Women's

Ann Fraser not allowed inside, Sh'carri Richardson gets just silver and First ever gold for St. Lucia.
Americans getting some reality check at this olympics!
 
Even war torn country like Ukraine won a gold. Still waiting on javelin to get us a gold
 
oatmeal said:
Even war torn country like Ukraine won a gold. Still waiting on javelin to get us a gold
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Gold.. even medals are not easy, Its nice we are maintaing our mutli medal spree. and can hopefully match Tokyo medal total. We have improved substantially and way forward is positive only.
 
Aang_The_last_airbender said:
Gold.. even medals are not easy, Its nice we are maintaing our mutli medal spree. and can hopefully match Tokyo medal total. We have improved substantially and way forward is positive only.
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We are a nation of 1.3 billion people. Maybe we can take 60% of that out because they are too poor to even have sports as an option.

The remaining population is still bigger than the EU. The government has resources too. They need to have a plan to get to at least double digit medals. Just identify 100 great athletes and throw all possible resources at them. Target medal rich sports even if training is expensive for them.

Let the rest of sports develop organically but there has to be a concerted effort to build a floor of medal count and it shouldn't be less than 10-12 for a nation of India's size with the aggregate economy among the largest in the world
 
oatmeal said:
We are a nation of 1.3 billion people. Maybe we can take 60% of that out because they are too poor to even have sports as an option.

The remaining population is still bigger than the EU. The government has resources too. They need to have a plan to get to at least double digit medals. Just identify 100 great athletes and throw all possible resources at them. Target medal rich sports even if training is expensive for them.

Let the rest of sports develop organically but there has to be a concerted effort to build a floor of medal count and it shouldn't be less than 10-12 for a nation of India's size with the aggregate economy among the largest in the world
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Do we have Kabaddi in Olympics, Kho-Kho, cricket??? Look at the list of Olympic sports and tell me which can be targeted that we haven't done? Olympics have a European origin , majority of the medals are concentrated in sports which are popular for those Nations.
Or you can attempt focused targeted throwing of money and systemic doping strategy like the Soviets, the Chinese or North Koreans. and that's the dumbest way to treat Olympics.
100 of the Olympic medals (that's 30%) are water based sports, Do we have the culture and water to build and dream about water sports?? we dont get water for our daily needs.

TOPS was started in just 2014 and few corporate sponsorships a few years prior about 2008. Its less than 16 years. We dont have free money like the Chinese nor the steroid factories they have.
We are medal contenders and among the top teams in good number of sports now and the list is only growing.

I am not sure if You are old enough for the embarrassing 80s and 90s when we had zero medals at Olympics! We used to have standard essay in school "Participation is more important than winning: The Olympic Spirit !!" :ROFLMAO:

We have moved far forward from that horrible dark age.
 
Aang_The_last_airbender said:
Do we have Kabaddi in Olympics, Kho-Kho, cricket??? Look at the list of Olympic sports and tell me which can be targeted that we haven't done? Olympics have a European origin , majority of the medals are concentrated in sports which are popular for those Nations.
Or you can attempt focused targeted throwing of money and systemic doping strategy like the Soviets, the Chinese or North Koreans. and that's the dumbest way to treat Olympics.
100 of the Olympic medals (that's 30%) are water based sports, Do we have the culture and water to build and dream about water sports?? we dont get water for our daily needs.

TOPS was started in just 2014 and few corporate sponsorships a few years prior about 2008. Its less than 16 years. We dont have free money like the Chinese nor the steroid factories they have.
We are medal contenders and among the top teams in good number of sports now and the list is only growing.

I am not sure if You are old enough for the embarrassing 80s and 90s when we had zero medals at Olympics! We used to have standard essay in school "Participation is more important than winning: The Olympic Spirit !!" :ROFLMAO:

We have moved far forward from that horrible dark age.
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Everyone competes in the same Olympics. European origin sports or not, the sports are known in advance, we know the kind of training it will take, and there are foreign coaches who can bring in the knowledge.

You don't need unlimited free money or doping to win double digit medals. China is aiming to top the tally, our goals are way more modest.

Building a floor of 10 medals is must. Be it in badminton, archery. Heck wrestling or judo or some sport which doesn't need massive infrastructure.
 
oatmeal said:
Everyone competes in the same Olympics. European origin sports or not, the sports are known in advance, we know the kind of training it will take, and there are foreign coaches who can bring in the knowledge.

You don't need unlimited free money or doping to win double digit medals. China is aiming to top the tally, our goals are way more modest.

Building a floor of 10 medals is must. Be it in badminton, archery. Heck wrestling or judo or some sport which doesn't need massive infrastructure.
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Medals are not GDP targets, you know this right?
It takes decades of preparation to win an Olympic gold, its not that you throw money and 4 years later you get a medal.
Where is the base to select the best atheletes? How do you do that?
Vishy Anand was our sole GM in 90s. We were nothing in Chess but now after 30 years, We have 3 players in top 10 rankings in Chess and are among the best countries in Chess.
Hockey was dead and buried in 90s, and 2000s, now we are consistently ranked among the top 5. Even Women hockey is consistently top 10 (This Olympics miss was an upset).
Pullela Gopichand was the only name in Badminton in 90s, and he never came close in Olympics and now how many we have.
Jaspal Rana the lone pioneer in 90s, again we have a full bench of shooters now who finally delivered.
Sports cultures are developed over 1 to 2 generations and they are sustainable.

Wrestling and Judo don't need infrastructure?? Sports with high frequency of life altering injuries and rife with systemic corruption and biases in scoring just like boxing too. Yeah, we don't have money to buy off Judges and referees sir!
Olympic medals don't feed the masses, organic growth is good.
 
Aang_The_last_airbender said:
Medals are not GDP targets, you know this right?
It takes decades of preparation to win an Olympic gold, its not that you throw money and 4 years later you get a medal.
Where is the base to select the best atheletes? How do you do that?
Vishy Anand was our sole GM in 90s. We were nothing in Chess but now after 30 years, We have 3 players in top 10 rankings in Chess and are among the best countries in Chess.
Hockey was dead and buried in 90s, and 2000s, now we are consistently ranked among the top 5. Even Women hockey is consistently top 10 (This Olympics miss was an upset).
Pullela Gopichand was the only name in Badminton in 90s, and he never came close in Olympics and now how many we have.
Jaspal Rana the lone pioneer in 90s, again we have a full bench of shooters now who finally delivered.
Sports cultures are developed over 1 to 2 generations and they are sustainable.

Wrestling and Judo don't need infrastructure?? Sports with high frequency of life altering injuries and rife with systemic corruption and biases in scoring just like boxing too. Yeah, we don't have money to buy off Judges and referees sir!
Olympic medals don't feed the masses, organic growth is good.
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Medals are not GDP, but there is definitely a correlation with a country experiencing fast economic growth with sporting achievements. More people should now be able to give sports a second look as a career, colleges should have sports scholarships. Endorsement opportunities etc

Also you are overstating the difficulty in winning a few medals just to make your point. Sure it takes a lot of effort to dominate and sweep a sport in every olympics. But a lot of countries finish the tally above us, and their conditions are worse (not using Africa or cuba/NK as examples as they have specific reasons for their success, but developing countries comparable to India in per capita but far poorer in aggregate GDP). There are a billion people in India, are you telling me there are not a few thousands who possess the genetics that they can compete given good training and infrastructure. I have to disagree,

Sports like Wrestling and Judo dont need swimming pools, they dont need massive academies. A lot of facilities like fitness and nutrition can be shared with other sports till you identify athletes who are capable of taking the leap. And then invest in foreign coaches who can train athletes for the next level.

Organic growth is definitely better but its not an either/or choice between organic growth and targeting for Olympics. In fact targeted success will spawn further interest and help in organic growth. The system is failing and questions should be asked about it. In the 1996 and 2000 it was perfectly fine to celebrate each medal as achievement, but not in 2024
 
oatmeal said:
Medals are not GDP, but there is definitely a correlation with a country experiencing fast economic growth with sporting achievements. More people should now be able to give sports a second look as a career, colleges should have sports scholarships. Endorsement opportunities etc

Also you are overstating the difficulty in winning a few medals just to make your point. Sure it takes a lot of effort to dominate and sweep a sport in every olympics. But a lot of countries finish the tally above us, and their conditions are worse (not using Africa or cuba/NK as examples as they have specific reasons for their success, but developing countries comparable to India in per capita but far poorer in aggregate GDP). There are a billion people in India, are you telling me there are not a few thousands who possess the genetics that they can compete given good training and infrastructure. I have to disagree,

Sports like Wrestling and Judo dont need swimming pools, they dont need massive academies. A lot of facilities like fitness and nutrition can be shared with other sports till you identify athletes who are capable of taking the leap. And then invest in foreign coaches who can train athletes for the next level.

Organic growth is definitely better but its not an either/or choice between organic growth and targeting for Olympics. In fact targeted success will spawn further interest and help in organic growth. The system is failing and questions should be asked about it. In the 1996 and 2000 it was perfectly fine to celebrate each medal as achievement, but not in 2024
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Ok, let's pick wrestling and Judo.
Tell me what all are needed to peak at these sports, a slight details would be nice!
 
We should start winning asian and world championships and have intense stress management training sessions like Chinese, Korean athletes. That should be good enough for 20 medals.

For rest, we need to pump more money per athlete and event
 
'Queen of the pool' Ledecky wins record-equalling ninth gold

American superstar Katie Ledecky equalled the record for the most gold medals by a female Olympian as she won the 800m freestyle title at the Paris Games.

Ledecky clocked eight minutes 11.04 seconds to become the only woman - and only swimmer other than the great Michael Phelps - with four Olympic golds in the same event.

It was Ledecky's ninth Olympic gold, moving her level with former Soviet gymnast Larisa Latynina, and taking her overall tally to 14 medals.

Phelps has the most medals of any Olympian with 28, including 23 golds.

"The four-times record is the one that means the most to me," Ledecky, 27, said afterwards.

"3 August is the day I won in 2012, and I didn't want 3 August to be a day I didn't like moving forwards.

"I put a lot of pressure on myself, so I'm happy I got the job done."

Earlier on Saturday, Summer McIntosh's astonishing debut Games continued, with the Canadian 17-year-old securing her third gold with victory in the women's 200m individual medley.

But Great Britain's 4x100m medley relay defence ended in disappointment, with the quartet finishing seventh.

Ledecky's dominance over distance continues

Ledecky has won four medals in Paris alone - two golds, a silver and a bronze.

She became the United States' most decorated female Olympian with silver in the women's 4x200m relay on Thursday.

Such is her dominance in the 800m freestyle that she has lost just once over the distance in 13 years - and that was to rising star McIntosh at a regional meet earlier in 2024.

McIntosh opted not to swim the 800m in Paris, meaning Ledecky's biggest rival was old foe Ariarne Titmus.

Australia's Titmus beat Ledecky to 400m freestyle gold earlier in the week but she could not stay with the American in the closing stages of her favourite distance.

The two shared a warm moment at the end of the race, with Ledecky raising both their arms in the air before Titmus applauded her opponent as she left the arena.

"We have just seen a little bit of history there," Steve Parry, Olympic bronze medallist for Britain in 2004, said on BBC 5 Live.

"Ledecky is the absolute queen of the pool. To be able to see someone dominate a distance event for 13 years is absolutely brilliant."

Titmus took silver in 8:12.29, with Ledecky's American team-mate Paige Madden (8:13.00) completing the podium.

All Ledecky's Olympic medals

London 2012 (1)

  • Gold - 800m freestyle
Rio 2016 (5)

  • Gold - 200m freestyle, 400m freestyle, 800m freestyle, 4x200m freestyle relay
  • Silver - 4x100m freestyle relay
Tokyo 2020 (4)

  • Gold - 800m freestyle, 1500m freestyle
  • Silver - 400m freestyle, 4x200m freestyle relay
Paris 2024 (4)

  • Gold - 800m freestyle, 1500m freestyle
  • Silver - 4x200m freestyle relay
  • Bronze - 400m freestyle
'Winning gets rid of all the pain' - McIntosh

Canada's McIntosh is becoming one of the stories of the Games, with the teenager tipped to break numerous records in her career.

She has already started in Paris, touching home in the 200m individual medley in an Olympic record 2:05.56 to ensure a fourth medal at her debut Games.

"For sure it was painful. Winning gets rid of all the pain," she told the BBC.

"I was screaming at myself under water a few times because I could tell that I was behind.

"I knew that I just had to keep going and I just had to push through that wall."

She previously took gold in the 200m butterfly and 400m medley, along with silver in the 400m freestyle.

Americans Kate Douglass and Alex Walsh won silver and bronze respectively, before Walsh was disqualified before she had even left the pool for an illegal turn from backstroke into breaststroke.

That meant Australia's Kaylee McKeown was upgraded to bronze.

McKeown later joined her team-mates for the mixed relay, with the Australians securing bronze.

The United States won gold in 3:37.43 and China silver, but Britain's quartet of Kathleen Dawson, James Wilby, Duncan Scott and Anna Hopkin struggled from the off and finished well out of the medals.

France, with Leon Marchand swimming the second leg, finished fourth - the first time the host nation's poster boy has appeared in a final in Paris and not won a medal.

BBC
 
AamchiMumbaikar said:
We should start winning asian and world championships and have intense stress management training sessions like Chinese, Korean athletes. That should be good enough for 20 medals.

For rest, we need to pump more money per athlete and event
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Things are happening and at a good pace, some people just don't understand that somethings take time and world has also matured in 20-30 years so rising from the bottom is harder and will take more time. We never had a sporting culture. Other countries had been playing these games for decades and centuries. You think they will step aside to let India walk into their dominations built over decades in mere 15 years??
How many decades did it take for the west to take over Hockey dominated by India and Pakistan?
Western nations and even Arab Nations have so many immigrants imports from Kenya/Uganda/Ethiopia adding to their medal tally. We don't get that luxury nor advisable.

Also, for the last 5 Olympics we have been better than 140 -150 nations while on most parameters we lie in the bottom 80-70. In a way we are outperforming our economic and development parameters in sports. :)
 
More people will tune in for today's ind vs sl match than olympic events of Indian players.

Atleast the cricket team is good for the vast majority to feel good about!
 
Absolute disastrous Olympics for us till now. Only Hockey, Chopra and Sen remains. Very difficult for Boxers and wrestler to win anything this time.

At this point even 5 medals looks difficult to achieve.
 
India hocly team is all set to lose to GB. Current score is 1-1, but India playing with only 10 men.

India Need some miracle to win from here.
 
Aang_The_last_airbender said:
Things are happening and at a good pace, some people just don't understand that somethings take time and world has also matured in 20-30 years so rising from the bottom is harder and will take more time. We never had a sporting culture. Other countries had been playing these games for decades and centuries. You think they will step aside to let India walk into their dominations built over decades in mere 15 years??
How many decades did it take for the west to take over Hockey dominated by India and Pakistan?
Western nations and even Arab Nations have so many immigrants imports from Kenya/Uganda/Ethiopia adding to their medal tally. We don't get that luxury nor advisable.

Also, for the last 5 Olympics we have been better than 140 -150 nations while on most parameters we lie in the bottom 80-70. In a way we are outperforming our economic and development parameters in sports. :)
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We need to be in top 20 and then top 10 soon. I mean by next or next to next olympics.

We don't have to start new games but get better at existing ones like wrestling, boxing, badminton, shooting, archery.

Even if we 2 gold per each of above segments , men and women combined, we will be in top 12.

Hockey, athletics, weight lifting all should be a bonus.

We should take cycling and swimming more seriously, but I understand that will take longer to produce medals.

Rest of the games, try to just qualify more athletes like equestrian, judo, sailing, kayak, rowing, eg. Currently 1 or 2 athletes qualify and end in the last for these segments
 
Corporates should arrange athletic and other sports tournaments (similar to IPL, pro kabaddi) with attractive price money… it will generate lots of interest amongst kids and youths
 
Just imagine Arshad Nadeem wining Silver or Gold and Pakistan ending their Olympics above India in medal table.

Will be so embarassing 🤡
 
Croma said:
India hocly team is all set to lose to GB. Current score is 1-1, but India playing with only 10 men.

India Need some miracle to win from here.
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Team GB has earned 10 penalty corners so far, but hasn't converted any of them LOL.

3rd quarter ends with 1-1
 
India beat Great Britain 4-2…

Indian Hockey team reached semi final

Incredible performance by India with 10 players
 
OHHHHHHH... such biased umpiring ... so many tactics to distract Indian players...
50 mins with just 10 players !!!!!
:aag ...... YESSSS!!!!!
 
Dangerous play by Amit Rohidas as he hit hockey stick at GB player’s head…just imagine if that stick hits his eye… then it would have been more feral….right action by umpires…. Amit should refrain himself from playing such dangerous game in Semi
 
PR Sreejesh was the hero of the shootouts as India defeated Great Britain 4-2 in the penalty shootout to make it to the semifinals of the men's hockey event on August 4, Sunday.

The match had finished 1-1 in normal time as India played for most of 3 quarters with 10 men as Amit Rohidas was given a red card.
 
globetrotter said:
Dangerous play by Amit Rohidas as he hit hockey stick at GB player’s head…just imagine if that stick hits his eye… then it would have been more feral….right action by umpires…. Amit should refrain himself from playing such dangerous game in Semi
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Still, Red card is insane in hockey, I have honestly never seen a red card being handed out in hockey like that when you have option of green and yellow ! It's not like football.
 
AamchiMumbaikar said:
We need to be in top 20 and then top 10 soon. I mean by next or next to next olympics.

We don't have to start new games but get better at existing ones like wrestling, boxing, badminton, shooting, archery.

Even if we 2 gold per each of above segments , men and women combined, we will be in top 12.

Hockey, athletics, weight lifting all should be a bonus.

We should take cycling and swimming more seriously, but I understand that will take longer to produce medals.

Rest of the games, try to just qualify more athletes like equestrian, judo, sailing, kayak, rowing, eg. Currently 1 or 2 athletes qualify and end in the last for these segments
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Indias do well till they come face to face against a Chinese player, and then their journey ends.

If they can somehow avoid chinese until the finals they might win something :murali
 
globetrotter said:
Dangerous play by Amit Rohidas as he hit hockey stick at GB player’s head…just imagine if that stick hits his eye… then it would have been more feral….right action by umpires…. Amit should refrain himself from playing such dangerous game in Semi
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There have been ZERO Red cards handed in the entire history FIH pro league in last 10 years, and will assume same case for other hockey matches. That's a stat from over 1000+ matches at top tier of international hockey!
 
Croma said:
Indias do well till they come face to face against a Chinese player, and then their journey ends.

If they can somehow avoid chinese until the finals they might win something :murali
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Boxing has been plagued with corruption like hell !!! This olympics a lot of poor scoring through out
 
The way we defended in the whole match with one player down was incredible. Nothing but respect to Sreejesh and team
 
GB wait for men's hockey medal goes on after shootout loss

Great Britain's wait for a first Olympic men's hockey medal since 1988 continues after they were beaten 4-2 in a tense shootout by India in Paris.

GB had already come from behind through Lee Morton and were the dominant side in the final quarter as they looked for a winner against 10-player India.

However, with the score level at 1-1 after a chaotic quarter-final, Britain were forced to go into a best-of-five shootout against India.

A miss from Conor Williamson on the third effort gave India the advantage and, after Phil Roper also shot wide, Kumar Pal slotted home to spark jubilant scenes among the India fans at Yves-du-Manoir Stadium.

Britain's men slumped to the floor, with some in tears, as they lost at the last-eight stage of an Olympics for the second time in a row.

"I am absolutely devastated for those GB men," Kate Richardson-Walsh, gold medallist in Rio in 2016, said on BBC TV.

"This team is absolutely capable of being Olympic medallists, I have no doubt about that, but we are going to have to wait.

"Four years seems a long way away now."

Great Britain have not won a men's Olympic hockey medal since their gold at the Seoul Games.

They came into Paris as the world's second-ranked side and were tipped as medal contenders - which will make this defeat all the more painful.

The side have spoken about their never-say-die attitude in the pool stages, where they came from behind in three matches in a row to twice draw and then win.

GB were the dominant side against India, particularly after Amit Rohidas was sent off.

Red cards are exceptionally rare in hockey but the defender was shown one after just 17 minutes when he caught William Calnan in the face with his raised stick.

India kept their composure and took the lead through a powerful swept shot from Harmanpreet Singh that flew past goalkeeper Ollie Payne.

Morton was in the right place to pounce and shovel in his third goal of the Games to draw level.

GB pushed hard for a winner but India goalkeeper PR Sreejesh produced a stunning block to deny Calman in the closing stages and Sam Ward was unable to poke home from close range.

That led to a shootout and, with much of the crowd supporting India, Sreejesh saved attempts from Williamson and Roper.

BBC
 
Lovelina loses in boxing quarters to China

You need to bribe the umpires with the scoring system else it's very tough to win medals.

Anyway, that means 0 medals in boxing for india this time. 3 of them lost in quarters / pre quarters depriving them of medals
 
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