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Peak Sachin Tendulkar vs Peak Virat Kohli

Peak Sachin Tendulkar or Peak Virat Kohli in Tests?

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Surely, for peak calculation the ICC batsman highest rating is the indicator? Kohli seems to have surpassed Tendulkar in that regard.

However, you’ll find that Tendulkar maintained a 800+ Rating (generally means too 3) for much longer and more consistently than Kohli.
[MENTION=97523]Buffet[/MENTION] would you agree?
 
jnaveen1980 said:
I have watched Tendulkar right from when he made debut. He had incredible talent to dominate the bowlers. But the construction of Kohli's knocks are almost fool proof compared to Tendulkar who would hit a lot of ball in the air. Almost all stroke players relied on clearing the infield bar a few (like Azharuddin).
This is exactly why people were surprised that he could not convert a couple of 50s in this world cup. All were soft dismissals.

He stupidly gave himself out against Pakistan which was not necessary. He is getting out to trundlers like Stoinis, Phelu, Holder, Plunkett. This is kinda similar to Tendulkar who often got out to guys like Cronje, Gavin Larsen, Razzaq.
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Olanga..
 
Honestly, it's very hard to say for me but Tendulkar of 90s was the most enjoyable to watch compared to any version of Kohli.

However, at same time, Tendulkar of 00s was not that great and quite a few were better than him. I will take Kohli in tests over 2000's era Tendulkar as well.
 
I enjoy watching Kohli more. Sachin peak was probably better. But Kohli still has another few years to get ahead of Sachin.
 
Peak Kohli over Sachin. Sachin was an average fielder and a poor leader. Kohli is far superior to sachin in both of these categories. Sachin miss-times a ball a lot while Kohli is a much more clean striker. I like Sachin over Kohli because Sachin was very likable and humble while Kohli is annoying and has a villain like face.
 
Ask any Indian who’s poster would they have in their room on the wall the answer would be sachin. Kohli can never match the persona of sachin even if he scores a billion runs. Plus sachin was more technically correct than kohli as well so sachin easily
 
6 years ago, when Tendulkar retired from all forms of the game, nobody would have thought that somebody would even come close to his batting records, or would be mentionned in the same breath as him in the next decades to come.
But, in the space of a few years, a batsman is not only being compared to him, but is on the verge of surpassing some of his unbreakable batting records.

As a Pakistani cricket fan, it will be a privilege to watch Virat Kohli go past Tendulkar's 100 international hundreds. A better batsman, a better leader, a better athlete, the GOAT.
 
Realromeo said:
Peak Kohli over Sachin. Sachin was an average fielder and a poor leader. Kohli is far superior to sachin in both of these categories. Sachin miss-times a ball a lot while Kohli is a much more clean striker. I like Sachin over Kohli because Sachin was very likable and humble while Kohli is annoying and has a villain like face.
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Kohli is a dropper. Sachin rarely dropped catches. Yea probably athletic slightly. But Tendulkar never lacked energy be it is running between the wickets or running around the ground.
 
I never felt Sachin could put you to the sword like Kohli does

Kohli top gear is something else.
 
Come on... people need to watch Sharjah desert storm to see what peak Sachin would do.. even Virat would agree on this.
 
Waleed93 said:
6 years ago, when Tendulkar retired from all forms of the game, nobody would have thought that somebody would even come close to his batting records, or would be mentionned in the same breath as him in the next decades to come.
But, in the space of a few years, a batsman is not only being compared to him, but is on the verge of surpassing some of his unbreakable batting records.

As a Pakistani cricket fan, it will be a privilege to watch Virat Kohli go past Tendulkar's 100 international hundreds. A better batsman, a better leader, a better athlete, the GOAT.
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The 100 international century mark was never a great shy to begin with because it is simply a matter of longevity and playing a lot of games?

Do you know that no cricketer in history has lost more international matches than Sachin either? He has the most losses ever. That too is a metric of longevity.
 
lifecric7 said:
You are forgetting the 98 in centurion..the desert storm in Sharjah
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Tbh I properly started watching from 2001 onwards so don’t really know about that. Prior to that mostly big Pak matches only
 
For some one who grew up watching later part of Gavaskar and followed Tendulkar from his debut to final match, my heart want to chose Tendulkar but mu brain says Virat. I don't put T20 in the same pedestal as test match, but some of the shots Virat played against WI was unbelievable.

Tendulkar was classy and Virat is more like "In your face."
 
lifecric7 said:
You are forgetting the 98 in centurion..the desert storm in Sharjah
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I was just going to say this. 98 in centurion was crazy innings against some of the best bowlers and it took an amazing catch by Adam Bacher to dismiss him. That would have been a 6.
 
Slog said:
The 100 international century mark was never a great shy to begin with because it is simply a matter of longevity and playing a lot of games?

Do you know that no cricketer in history has lost more international matches than Sachin either? He has the most losses ever. That too is a metric of longevity.
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That just makes Kohli look even better. Tendulkar played 600+ international games to get to his 100 hundreds. Kohli has not even played 400 international matches to get to his 70 hundreds.
 
Birdman said:
I was just going to say this. 98 in centurion was crazy innings against some of the best bowlers and it took an amazing catch by Adam Bacher to dismiss him. That would have been a 6.
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Iirc, that was 159 in 96 in a test. Had a partnership with azharuddin after being 50 odd for 4.

Lifecric7 is talking about the wc match against pak in 03
 
Tendulkar's top gear was also very good. Kohli although looks more devastating.

Straight drive - Tendulkar
On drive - Kohli
Frontfood cover drive - Kohli
Pull - even stevens
Hook - Tendulkar
Backfoot punch - Tendulkar
Leg side flick - Tendulkar
Lofted on drive - Kohli
Lofted straight drive - Sachin
Inside out - even
Square drive - Tendulkar
Square cut - Sachin
Off drive - Sachin
 
One common thing both are hard workers. Mumbai and Delhi always have produced great players. Tendulkar has this quintessential Mumbai style cricket. Technically sound with solid backfoot game with few exceptions. Delhi players are always known to be feisty and mentally strong.

Mumbai: Gavaskar, Tendulkar, Vengsarkar, Manjrekar, Shastri, Wadekar, Rahane, Rohit

Delhi: Mohinder, prabakar, Gambhir, Sehwag, Kohli, Dhawan, pant

Karnataka produces mentally tough cookies, match winners with few exceptions

Karnatka: Viswanath, Chandra, Prasanna, Kumble, srinath, Prasad, Dravid, Agarwal, KL Rahul, Kirmani,
karun Nair, Uthappa, Manish pandey

Andhra produces stylish players

Andhra: Jaisimha, Azharuddin, Laxman
 
Sachin for me. If all this technology, toys like DRS were there then, he would have surely averaged better. Thinking of Steve Bucknor, riles me up even to this day. And Sachin had the grace to take it in his chin, and never question...
 
arunpsm said:
Sachin for me. If all this technology, toys like DRS were there then, he would have surely averaged better. Thinking of Steve Bucknor, riles me up even to this day. And Sachin had the grace to take it in his chin, and never question...
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He was probably only one to be given out shoulder before wicket.
 
First saw Tendulkar bat during the 92 World Cup, and thereon followed his career closely till he retired. He was better technically than Kohli: possessed a tighter defence and a wider array of offensive strokes.

However, Kohli is on another level as far as mental toughness is concerned. Kohli is ruthless in much the same way as Allan Border or Steve Waugh, but infinitely more talented. In my book, character and mental toughness is more valuable than talent, and for that reason I'd always pick Kohli over Tendulkar in my side.
 
In ODIs it’s close. In tests, Kohli has a long long way to go before getting compared to Tendulkar as a batsman.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Kohli is a dropper. Sachin rarely dropped catches. Yea probably athletic slightly. But Tendulkar never lacked energy be it is running between the wickets or running around the ground.
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LOL U WOT M8 ? Kohli fields in firing line, Kohli is much more faster and quicker. Sachin in his late years was a liability. After 2001ish Sachin was slower at didn't help the fact that he was running with Sehwag and Ganguly. When he ran with dravid, you saw his speed. Kohli saves way more runs on the field and takes catches that wasn't even catches in the first place.

I don't know why and how people find a way to defend their heroes. Everyone loves Sachin, but clearly Kohli is better than Sachin. Leave the sentiments behind lol. No wonder everyone laughs at us.
 
Realromeo said:
LOL U WOT M8 ? Kohli fields in firing line, Kohli is much more faster and quicker. Sachin in his late years was a liability. After 2001ish Sachin was slower at didn't help the fact that he was running with Sehwag and Ganguly. When he ran with dravid, you saw his speed. Kohli saves way more runs on the field and takes catches that wasn't even catches in the first place.

I don't know why and how people find a way to defend their heroes. Everyone loves Sachin, but clearly Kohli is better than Sachin. Leave the sentiments behind lol. No wonder everyone laughs at us.
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You can run all you want. But when it comes to catching Kohli has been one of the worst. Only recently he is grabbing them. BUt he still continues dropping in slips.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
You can run all you want. But when it comes to catching Kohli has been one of the worst. Only recently he is grabbing them. BUt he still continues dropping in slips.
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There is a reason why Kohli is in slips and Sachin wasn't. LOL at "Kohli has been the worst" lol ok please drop some stats. Again, Kohli saves many runs on the field and takes catches that isn't there. Only Manish Pandey comes before Kohli in fielding.
 
Tendulkar far ahead. Kohli isn't even better than Smith in tests. For majority of his career, he was also behind ABD. Tendulkar was head and shoulders above all batsmen in both formats for a long time. Hell he has scored a 200 in ODIs while Kohli still hasn't.
 
Realromeo said:
There is a reason why Kohli is in slips and Sachin wasn't. LOL at "Kohli has been the worst" lol ok please drop some stats. Again, Kohli saves many runs on the field and takes catches that isn't there. Only Manish Pandey comes before Kohli in fielding.
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Unless you started watching Kohli for the last one year you wouldn't be defending Kohli's fielding this much. He dropped catch everywhere. Most famous drop was in the IPL lol He improved in the last year or so. But as a 17 year old Sachin took a fantastic diving catch diving forward in England Test match.
 
Realromeo said:
There is a reason why Kohli is in slips and Sachin wasn't. LOL at "Kohli has been the worst" lol ok please drop some stats. Again, Kohli saves many runs on the field and takes catches that isn't there. Only Manish Pandey comes before Kohli in fielding.
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Tendulkar didn't use to field in slips? Well, you learn something new everyday....

And even if one takes your statement at its face value, its better to stay away from slips especially if you keep on dropping catches there....However Kohli has this very big ego of him which sometimes helps his team and sometimes is detrimental to it.
 
Joseph Gomes said:
Tendulkar far ahead. Kohli isn't even better than Smith in tests. For majority of his career, he was also behind ABD. Tendulkar was head and shoulders above all batsmen in both formats for a long time. Hell he has scored a 200 in ODIs while Kohli still hasn't.
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For me as well.

As for 200, well there isn't a hell lot of difference between a 200 & 183. Kohli didn't probably make 200 that day because Pakistan didn't score that many for him to chase...
 
BreadPakoda said:
In ODIs it’s close. In tests, Kohli has a long long way to go before getting compared to Tendulkar as a batsman.
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Agree with this.

However what goes in Tendulkar's favour is kind of bowling attacks & pitches he had to play against in ODIs. Unlike today, pitches in '90s even in ODIs weren't as flat as they're today...ODI rules also were not as batting friendly as they're today.

However this is not Kohli's fault....
 
Slog said:
The 100 international century mark was never a great shy to begin with because it is simply a matter of longevity and playing a lot of games?

Do you know that no cricketer in history has lost more international matches than Sachin either? He has the most losses ever. That too is a metric of longevity.
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Longevity? lol, as if it is as easy to achieve as you make it sound to be. So many who were destined to go past Tendulkar didn't have heart to put in hard yards in field for as many games as Tendulkar did. International cricket isn't just about turning up at ground to play for your team.

As for losses, well I used to think cricket was a team game...
 
docteurmanish said:
Peak kohli outgunning peak tendulkar in all formats

Tests - kohli was weak in England which he overcame in last tour in the most swinging conditions I have seen in England since last 20 years or so . Australia kohli has dominated in a way tendulkar had never dominated .
South Africa - barring late 2000 when Sachin scored a 150 plus master class , Sachin wasn’t a reliable bat there . I prefer kohli to Sachin in South Africa - again the pitches there were worse than india getting out in 60 runs in early 90 S

Odi - kohli is an atg . Better than tendulkar . World cups he hasn’t brought his a gam yet . Likely to change in next wc
But remember he wears the captains hat too . Not the same when u are captain and best batter .

T20 - kohli is the new beast . Can play at all gears . Tendulkar didn’t have the beast gear - not even when he was 20 .
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lol, so delusional...

WCs: Kohli hasn't brought his A-game as yet. What has stopped him to do that in his first 3 WCs? lol, matlab kuch bhi?

As for scoring runs in Australia, well you can't be serious! Save for his last Australia tour in '12-13, Tendulkar has always given a good account of himself in Australia on far tougher pitches to bat on...While Kohli only has 1 great Australia tour to talk about.
 
BreadPakoda said:
SRT didn't have a beast gear? I've heard it all now. Thank you very much sir.
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As a 16 year old smashed Qadir for 4 straight sixes in a friendly match. He unleashed whenever needed
Those days wasn't needed much as the par score was around 250.

 
MP2011 said:
lol, so delusional...

WCs: Kohli hasn't brought his A-game as yet. What has stopped him to do that in his first 3 WCs? lol, matlab kuch bhi?

As for scoring runs in Australia, well you can't be serious! Save for his last Australia tour in '12-13, Tendulkar has always given a good account of himself in Australia on far tougher pitches to bat on...While Kohli only has 1 great Australia tour to talk about.
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I feel WC is the only area where SRT is in front to be honest. In Australia too, SRT was somewhat of a Sydney bully. The kind of performance Kohli gave in Adelaide 2014-15 was beyond anything SRT has ever done in any of his 200 tests against any opponent, in any country...

I have a hunch that Kohli may have a better record across different venues in Australia. If Kohli has a beastly WC in 2023 (highly likely since it's in India, after all 2 of Tendulkar's 3 beastly WC's were in India) he will truly surpass SRT on all fronts.

People keep bringing up Tendulkar's Desert Storm innings against a second string Australian attack yet bring down Kohli for playing against weaker attacks...waah...

In ODIs, Kohli has been SRT of 1998, every single day since 2012...
 
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In Australia too, SRT was somewhat of a Sydney bully.
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You call him SCG bully, and yet his 3/6 tons in Australia have come at WACA, MCG and Adelaide.

The kind of performance Kohli gave in Adelaide 2014-15 was beyond anything SRT has ever done in any of his 200 tests against any opponent, in any country...
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Since Tendulkar has never scored tons in both innings of a test match, so its easy to say especially when you consider performance during entire test match....However, one-off innings in tests, Tendulkar has played far more than Kohli...

If Kohli has a beastly WC in 2023 (highly likely since it's in India, after all 2 of Tendulkar's 3 beastly WC's were in India) he will truly surpass SRT on all fronts.
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What? By having 1 good WC in India, he'll surpass Tendulkar's stature in WCs?

People keep bringing up Tendulkar's Desert Storm innings against a second string Australian attack yet bring down Kohli for playing against weaker attacks...waah...
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People bring that out again and again because of its quality and circumstances India was in when he started his assault on Australian bowlers....

Second string Australian attack? Mind you they were just missing McGrath. They had Warne & Fleming, both champion ODI bowlers in their lineup....
 
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Similarly, Kohli hasn't matched Tendulkar as far as scoring a ton in 4th innings and taking your team home. And that too when they were chasing close to 400 to win that test match...
 
However I'm so happy that both Kohli & Tendulkar play/have played for India. Win-Win for me...
 
Slog said:
I never felt Sachin could put you to the sword like Kohli does

Kohli top gear is something else.
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Yes, it was a ghost who tore apart Pakistan in Chennai test 1999, centurion world cup encounter 2003 etc
 
Tendulkar was a beast of an ODI batsman in mid-late 1990s. Too many kids on internet make discussions useless..
 
Slog said:
I never felt Sachin could put you to the sword like Kohli does

Kohli top gear is something else.
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Thats because the game has changed so much since Tendulkar made his debut. Consistently slam bang batting is more common these days than in '90s due to slugfest of T20s. Batsmen have to play more attacking strokes these days.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Tendulkar was a beast of an ODI batsman in mid-late 1990s. Too many kids on internet make discussions useless..
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Was rubbish outside flat subcontinent pitches.

SRT's list of failures in key ODI series outside India in the mid to late 90s is nearly endless... 1996 in England, 1996 in Pakistan, 1997 in South Africa, 1998 in New Zealand, 1999 World Cup, 1999/2000 CU Tri Series between India Pakistan and Australia etc etc... The latter was arguably his toughest challenge as an ODI batsman....and he has nothing to show except a 90 odd against Pakistan before tamely getting out to Razzaq at a crucial time...Ganguly was our best batsman in that series.

Superb batsman in flat subcontinent wickets, but a walking wicket outside his comfort zone in ODIs in the 90s...to his credit he did significantly improve his record outside the subcontinent during the 00's. I rate SRT's performance in the 2008 CB series in Australia, as his greatest ever.
 
People need to realise that a SR of 86 in the 1990s is like scoring around a SR off 110 today.

Similarly, an Eco on 6 today, would be like an eco on 4.5 in the 1990s.
 
People don't realize how much the 2019 WC failure has damaged Kohli's stock. Kohli will never, ever overtake Tendulkar now. He's already 31 years old and hasn't scored even half of Tendulkar's test runs. Tendulkar had a test average of 57 after 177 tests, Kohli has yet to reach 56.

As for gear...talking about gear...Tendulkar had an SR of 86.8 in 1990s. The only people with better SR than Tendulkar were Afridi, Jayasuriya, Akram and Gilchrist.

Now the fun part, Afridi, Jayasuriya, Akram and Gilchrist's batting averages were 24, 28, 17 and 33 respectively, whereas Tendulkar had a batting average of...43.

But that's all including the bilateral and tri-series. Now coming to WC, the greatest event in cricket. Tendulkar was the best run scorer in 2 world cups (1996, 2003) and the second highest run scorer in 2011 WC (just 12 runs behind Dilshan). Tendulkar also has the record for most runs in a WC, to show how well he dominated the big stage. As for Kohli...well you know about his tale in WC lol.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
One common thing both are hard workers. Mumbai and Delhi always have produced great players. Tendulkar has this quintessential Mumbai style cricket. Technically sound with solid backfoot game with few exceptions. Delhi players are always known to be feisty and mentally strong.

Mumbai: Gavaskar, Tendulkar, Vengsarkar, Manjrekar, Shastri, Wadekar, Rahane, Rohit

Delhi: Mohinder, prabakar, Gambhir, Sehwag, Kohli, Dhawan, pant

Karnataka produces mentally tough cookies, match winners with few exceptions

Karnatka: Viswanath, Chandra, Prasanna, Kumble, srinath, Prasad, Dravid, Agarwal, KL Rahul, Kirmani,
karun Nair, Uthappa, Manish pandey

Andhra produces stylish players

Andhra: Jaisimha, Azharuddin, Laxman
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And then you say that you are not a Pant f@nboy? :inti
 
Kohli is brilliant but honestly after failing cheaply in WC 2015 semi final, CT 2017 final and WC 2019 semi final, you shouldn't be considered a better batsmen than Tendulkar.

Yes, he played a decent support knock to Gambhir in WC 2011 final and a good inning in CT '13 final although that match was won by the Indian bowlers who defended a below par 129 against England in 20 overs game but for a GOAT status, the benchmark is much much higher.

It's kohli's insane performance outside the WC knockouts that puts him in the reckoning of a top tier batsmen and gets compared with Tendulkar, Lara and Ponting but those three failures go against him big time.
 
BreadPakoda said:
Gems I read on the internet every now and then....
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Referring to his ODI exploits in mid to late 90s as in the post I was quoting.

Feel free to lay out your arguments if you feel otherwise. But seeing that you've decided to go with a sarcastic comment instead of anything factual, I think you have none.
 
Ab Fan said:
Kohli is brilliant but honestly after failing cheaply in WC 2015 semi final, CT 2017 final and WC 2019 semi final, you shouldn't be considered a better batsmen than Tendulkar.

Yes, he played a decent support knock to Gambhir in WC 2011 final and a good inning in CT '13 final although that match was won by the Indian bowlers who defended a below par 129 against England in 20 overs game but for a GOAT status, the benchmark is much much higher.

It's kohli's insane performance outside the WC knockouts that puts him in the reckoning of a top tier batsmen and gets compared with Tendulkar, Lara and Ponting but those three failures go against him big time.
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IVA Richards is still the ODI GOAT for me.

But I would take Kohli over Tendulkar in any circumstance, in any conditions. Tendulkar bottled it in the two biggest ODI games he played too. Both the WC finals.
 
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Ab Fan said:
Kohli is brilliant but honestly after failing cheaply in WC 2015 semi final, CT 2017 final and WC 2019 semi final, you shouldn't be considered a better batsmen than Tendulkar.

Yes, he played a decent support knock to Gambhir in WC 2011 final and a good inning in CT '13 final although that match was won by the Indian bowlers who defended a below par 129 against England in 20 overs game but for a GOAT status, the benchmark is much much higher.

It's kohli's insane performance outside the WC knockouts that puts him in the reckoning of a top tier batsmen and gets compared with Tendulkar, Lara and Ponting but those three failures go against him big time.
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2015 - big chase
2017 - big chase
2019 - i agree
Not like Tendulkar hunted down 359 in 2003 wC. He got out first over. Also failed in WC final chasing 276. Richards failed in 2 finals as well.
 
I generally don't read too much into player failing in a knockout chasing a huge total. No team in the hsitory has chased down 300 plus in a semi or final. Pressure gets infinitely higher for top batsmen while chasing bigger total. Unless and until you show someone who has done it before in a world cup semi or final you cannot hold it against others.
 
Dead Ball said:
IVA Richards is still the ODI GOAT for me.

But I would take Kohli over Tendulkar in any circumstance, in any conditions. Tendulkar bottled it in the two biggest ODI games he played too. Both the WC finals.
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Tendulkar only bottled in 2011 WC finals. 2003 run chase was completely out of questions. The game was lost in first inning itself.

Anyways,the major argument that goes against Kohli is below facts:-

Tendulkar was among top 3 run scorers in a total of 3 WCs, two of which he topped.

Ponting also was among a top run scorers in 2 WCs and has a dominant WC final hundred to his name.

Same applies for Viv.

Even ABD who bats down at 4/5 was a top three run scorers in WC '15 and was among top 10 run scorers in '11 and got his runs at excellent strike rate.

<B>However, Kohli is not in a top 10 run scorers in any single World Cup and this argument can't even be ignored in his case as he is not a top order bat and also not scores at a very fast SR either.</B>

As a test batter also, I will take Tendulkar over Kohli because of longevity and performing against better attack at his peak in 90s and it's not like Kohli gives me those one man army wins which is used as an argument against Tendulkar.

Kohli is obviously a better T20 cricketer as I feel in this format, he really takes the game away from opposition by the scruff of the neck, something which Tendulkar won't have been able to do irrespective of whether he played in T20s era or not.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
2015 - big chase
2017 - big chase
2019 - i agree
Not like Tendulkar hunted down 359 in 2003 wC. He got out first over. Also failed in WC final chasing 276. Richards failed in 2 finals as well.
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Kohli had to chase 329 in modern era of flat wickets and big bats and after having given the flying start by Dhawan early on, it was not beyond the benchmark of a player of his caliber to chase down that total or atleast get near to that total first.

Against Pakistan in CT'17, he should have done better as it was not a legendary bowling attack. Remember, Sachin did scored a 98 off 75 balls in 2003 WC in a successful run chase against a bowling attack which had Akhtar and a GOAT, Wasim ,that was a far better attack than the one in CT'17.

Against NZ, less said the better.
 
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Ab Fan said:
Tendulkar only bottled in 2011 WC finals. 2003 run chase was completely out of questions. The game was lost in first inning itself.

Anyways,the major argument that goes against Kohli is below facts:-

Tendulkar was among top 3 run scorers in a total of 3 WCs, two of which he topped.

Ponting also was among a top run scorers in 2 WCs and has a dominant WC final hundred to his name.

Same applies for Viv.

Even ABD who bats down at 4/5 was a top three run scorers in WC '15 and was among top 10 run scorers in '11 and got his runs at excellent strike rate.

<B>However, Kohli is not in a top 10 run scorers in any single World Cup and this argument can't even be ignored in his case as he is not a top order bat and also not scores at a very fast SR either.</B>

As a test batter also, I will take Tendulkar over Kohli because of longevity and performing against better attack at his peak in 90s and it's not like Kohli gives me those one man army wins which is used as an argument against Tendulkar.

Kohli is obviously a better T20 cricketer as I feel in this format, he really takes the game away from opposition by the scruff of the neck, something which Tendulkar won't have been able to do irrespective of whether he played in T20s era or not.
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First of all this is the world cup that hardly had any minnows. No Namebia, Kenya, UAE to smash around. Second of all Tendulkar was an opener. He was going to get maximum number of balls for sure. Third of all when your opener keeps putting on big partnership you are left with fewer balls and you will have to play high risk game. Kohli faced 471 balls in this world cup made 443 runs with 5 fifties. In contrast Scahin faced 754 balls in the 2003 world cup. It is not even a comparison.
 
Tendulkar made 673 runs in 2003 world cup. Substract his runs against Netherlands, Namibia, Kenya. That will come down to 383 runs.
 
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First of all this is the world cup that hardly had any minnows. No Namebia, Kenya, UAE to smash around. Second of all Tendulkar was an opener. He was going to get maximum number of balls for sure. Third of all when your opener keeps putting on big partnership you are left with fewer balls and you will have to play high risk game. Kohli faced 471 balls in this world cup made 443 runs with 5 fifties. In contrast Scahin faced 754 balls in the 2003 world cup. It is not even a comparison.
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No Nambia, Kenya and all is fine and I knew something on that line will be coming but how about we compare Kohli to other players of his era as how exactly he fared in 2019 WC. He was not even in top 10 run scorers in '19 WC. That should give us the answer. Its not like the top 10 run scorers were getting to play Nambia, Kenya and Kohli considering his benchmark is higher wasn't getting to play against them. Shakib was one of leading run scorers, Kane and Root got as much runs as Kohli and so did Babar. These are middle order bats and then there were Rohit, Warner and Jason Roy who played lesser games. That should give the answers.

Remember, you are comparing him here with a GOAT not a good batsmen. So, benchmark is much higher.
 
Ab Fan said:
No Nambia, Kenya and all is fine and I knew something on that line will be coming but how about we compare Kohli to other players of his era as how exactly he fared in 2019 WC. He was not even in top 10 run scorers in '19 WC. That should give us the answer. Its not like the top 10 run scorers were getting to play Nambia, Kenya and Kohli considering his benchmark is higher wasn't getting to play against them. Shakib was one of leading run scorers, Kane and Root got as much runs as Kohli and so did Babar. These are middle order bats and then there were Rohit, Warner and Jason Roy who played lesser games. That should give the answers.

Remember, you are comparing him here with a GOAT not a good batsmen. So, benchmark is much higher.
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How many balls others faced. How many balls he faced? That is how you should see. Not blanket comparison.
 
2019 world cup had no uniformity in conditions. Some were extremely flat. Especially the ones where England played. Pretty much every slogger from England racked up huge runs. Smith averaged only 37.90. Roy averaged 63.28. So Roy > Smith? Unless we are talking about absolute horrendous performance like Inzamam, Mahela had in 2003 world cup we should take world cup performances with a pinch of salt. Only thing i will hold him accountable was for his irresponsible cross batted flick in the semi final against Boult. That was an avoidable dismissal. CT2017, WC 2015. Not much. I will give credit to Amir for bowling beautifully in that match. It was just his day.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
How many balls others faced. How many balls he faced? That is how you should see. Not blanket comparison.
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If he faced lesser balls, he should have scored at a much faster strike rate. It goes both ways and honestly, he didn't set the world on fire in the league matches. He was good, actually very good, but overall his WC performance don't match to Tendulkar's performance in any of 3 WCs, whichever way you look at.
 
Ab Fan said:
If he faced lesser balls, he should have scored at a much faster strike rate. It goes both ways and honestly, he didn't set the world on fire in the league matches. He was good, actually very good, but overall his WC performance don't match to Tendulkar's performance in any of 3 WCs, whichever way you look at.
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It didn't match. But not so far off. Two of Tendulkar's 500 plus came in India !! . One in SA where he made a lot of his runs against minnows. Failed against Australia twice the eventual winners.
 
I would still say Tendulkar in Tests. Kohli in ODIs. This world cup performances are all for argument only. ODI means ODI. world cup or CT or bilateral whatever. His Hobart performance against Sirlanka is as good as any. Same his 183 vs Pakistan. Still when Tendulkar is talked about they are not talking about his world cup performance. It is always about his desert storm 143 runs. Also his first innings as opener is still rated very highly.
 
I have seen Tendulkar in all the 6 world cups. My memorable outings of Sachin in the world ucp. His 52 against Pakistan in 1992. His 90 against OZ in 1996. 1999 he didn't play much. 2003 ofcourse his 98 vs Pakistan. 2007 regrettable. 2011 seriously i don't remember any of his innings.
 
People need to give some respect to Kohli's 2019 WC. Yes, he flopped in the semi-final, just like every other Indian batsman apart from Jadeja.
However, to call his campaign a bad one is a bit OTT. The only reason why he didn't finish with 600+ runs at the WC was Rohit's beastly form that didn't let him bat enough overs.
You know you are speaking about Virat Kohli when his WC is being called a "flop" despite him scoring close to 450 runs. It just shows how high the standards are set when you speak about him.
 
Waleed93 said:
People need to give some respect to Kohli's 2019 WC. Yes, he flopped in the semi-final, just like every other Indian batsman apart from Jadeja.
However, to call his campaign a bad one is a bit OTT. The only reason why he didn't finish with 600+ runs at the WC was Rohit's beastly form that didn't let him bat enough overs.
You know you are speaking about Virat Kohli when his WC is being called a "flop" despite him scoring close to 450 runs. It just shows how high the standards are set when you speak about him.
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Who is calling it a "flop"?
 
jnaveen1980 said:
I have seen Tendulkar in all the 6 world cups. My memorable outings of Sachin in the world ucp. His 52 against Pakistan in 1992. His 90 against OZ in 1996. 1999 he didn't play much. 2003 ofcourse his 98 vs Pakistan. 2007 regrettable. 2011 seriously i don't remember any of his innings.
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Sachin has many tremendous innings in WC. You just need to re-check or perhaps re-watch some of his innings.
 
Ab Fan said:
Sachin has many tremendous innings in WC. You just need to re-check or perhaps re-watch some of his innings.
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I have seen every one of them. Most of them live. But apart from his 98 at the centurion most of my favorite Sachin ODI innings came in other tournaments or bilaterals. Till date no Indian innings can come even remotely close to Kapil's 175 in the world cup
 
Ab Fan said:
Who is calling it a "flop"?
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A lot of people here who are choosing Tendulkar over Kohli are saying that Kohli didn't have a good WC. Keeping in mind Rohit's form which led Kohli to bat for a limited amount of time, to end with ~450 runs is quite good in my opinion.
It's true that he is not as good as Tendulkar in WCs, but he is ahead in other aspects when it comes to ODIs.
 
In the 1990s numerous too ODI batsmen averaged in 30s.

Jayasuriya with a batting average of 32 was considered a legendary ODI batsman and a definite partner for Tendulkar to open the inning.

Jayasuriya would today be averaging 45+

Tendulkar definitely 55+
 
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