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[PICTURES/VIDEOS] Ali Raza: A genuine quick bowler from Sheikhupura

Showed some guile at the end today with those slower bouncers. However he looks as malnourished as he is quick.

Needs putting on a special diet to fill out.
 
Markhor said:
Showed some guile at the end today with those slower bouncers. However he looks as malnourished as he is quick.

Needs putting on a special diet to fill out.
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He needs investment and guidance. We don't have much raw talent these days and the talent that does appear needs to be nurtured and guided
 
Ali Raza is a perfect middle overs bowler. He has pace, gets the bite from the deck, and is consistent with his lengths.

He was really good in the U19 tournaments earlier in the year.
 
Finally they brought him into the XI.

He has everything a pacer should have and will get better as he refines his bowling.
 
kingusama92 said:
Finally they brought him into the XI.

He has everything a pacer should have and will get better as he refines his bowling.
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He is not a new ball bowler but can be a good first change bowler as he get something from any type of pitch. Should work on releasing the delivery in order to hit the seam consistently. Pace is there and he is harder to get hit runs by the batter without batsmen losing their wickets.

I wasn’t impressed by his new ball spell under lights where every other bowler were getting movement and he didn’t get to move the ball even a little bit.
 
Rana said:
Looks like he’s grown taller

Boy is a special talent
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He needs to move the ball, bowling gun barrel straight at 140-145k will not trouble international batters, in fact even 150k straight delivery is nothing for modern day batters.
 
Muhammad Saad said:
Seems to have a mix style between Ambrose and Mervin Dillon , good height and nice bounce and can definitely breach 140k consistently, I wonder if Vidler clocked 145k as per the commentator then Ali seems to be even more quicker than him easily.
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How tall is he?
 
Great start for him. Always wanted to see him play. He deserved a chance ahead of other oldies. Doesn't swing the ball that much but he will definitely get better with time, he is just 16-17 Y.O.
 
Muhammad Saad said:
He needs to move the ball, bowling gun barrel straight at 140-145k will not trouble international batters, in fact even 150k straight delivery is nothing for modern day batters.
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These are not very helpful conditions

He will learn, the basics are good with this kid
 
He is just what we need. Was easily the quickest of our bowlers in the u19 WC.

Need to nurture him, get him strong, back him and most of all red ball cricket.
 
Muhammad Saad said:
He needs to move the ball, bowling gun barrel straight at 140-145k will not trouble international batters, in fact even 150k straight delivery is nothing for modern day batters.
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That's why I replied to one comment about him becoming a World class bowler with a proviso- we haven't seen a close up of his seam. Once we get that we can start to dream
 
Bewal Express said:
That's why I replied to one comment about him becoming a World class bowler with a proviso- we haven't seen a close up of his seam. Once we get that we can start to dream
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you can see his seam on his u19 world cup highlights. Lots of revs, a bit of a wobble seam.
 
Do not hurry him into the national team. He is still very young, U19 is still open for him. He should be properly groomed.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Very gifted . May not be the most durable so workload has to be managed carefully.
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And who will do the planning and thinking. Our talent pool is at a low( at least the ones we see) and the ones that do appear need a plan. Most will stay fall by the way side but even if a couple come through we will have a decent team
 
He is genuinely quick. I would say he bowls at 140-145 ks range.

The bounce he gets from length is awkward and will trouble the best of the batsmen.He reminds me of jofra archer little bit.

He also bowls very well to the left handers.
 
Bewal Express said:
And who will do the planning and thinking. Our talent pool is at a low( at least the ones we see) and the ones that do appear need a plan. Most will stay fall by the way side but even if a couple come through we will have a decent team
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Yeah that's an issue.

But having just a couple of players won't be enough going forward. Even teams like BD have 2-3 decent players coming through.
 
It's an honor for this young lad to receive appreciation from legends at such an early stage in his career

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Bishop is 6.4ft I'm guessing ali raza is barely 5.10ft because from Bishop lower lip to top of his bald head is probably more than 6 inches
 
The last thing we need to do is rush him into the team. Get this guy setup with his own physio and strength coach. Teach him about nutrition, and diet. Have him play first class cricket so he can work on his variation and control. In 2 years he’ll be ready to test the international waters.
 
offstump said:
The last thing we need to do is rush him into the team. Get this guy setup with his own physio and strength coach. Teach him about nutrition, and diet. Have him play first class cricket so he can work on his variation and control. In 2 years he’ll be ready to test the international waters.
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Exactly. He is playing u19 atm and should be kept there. Then he needs a good outing in domestic games to polish his skills. No need to rush him into the team. Bowling in not the problem for us atm.
 
I am a bit double minded here I think if someone like Gillespie is committed to 2-3 years with the Pakistan team then I will not mind him fast tracked and getting developed by him but then I also see the value of him playing getting playing time in 4 day circuit I believe Naseem and Shaheen would have been better bowlers had they taken a Khurram Shehzad grind route

What I definitely not want is a Hasnain type role where they carry him around make him play a random T20I here and there and he missed out on meaningful playing time on both FC and int circuit
 
2-3 years of grooming is needed, we should learn our lessons from Shaheen and not overbowl him before his 20th birthday
 
So much to like about this Boy.

He could be the Mohammad Zahid type bowler with so many similarities between the two.


What sets him apart:

1. Fluent Run Up. Provides him great momentum.

2. Fast twitch muscles.

3. Quick Arm Action.


He looks malnourished to be honest. Even with this physique he is surely bowling in excess of 140 kph.


He must avoid back stress fractures somehow.


He needs to put on muscle mass. He is under weight as a potential Right Arm Fast bowler for Pakistan.

Genuine 18-19 years old. He could still learn the art of maintaining upright seam and develop swing/seam. Note pacy bowler with poor seam presentation would be useless.


PCB should not ruin him like Muhammad Zahid & lately Ihsanullah.


We seriously lack genuine talented players and need to preserve such potential stars right from the start as our system lacks ability to nurture and polish players rather than improving mostly their growth stops prematurely.



Hats off to Ramiz Raja for that Under 16 tournament.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
So much to like about this Boy.

He could be the Mohammad Zahid type bowler with so many similarities between the two.


What sets him apart:

1. Fluent Run Up. Provides him great momentum.

2. Fast twitch muscles.

3. Quick Arm Action.


He looks malnourished to be honest. Even with this physique he is surely bowling in excess of 140 kph.


He must avoid back stress fractures somehow.


He needs to put on muscle mass. He is under weight as a potential Right Arm Fast bowler for Pakistan.

Genuine 18-19 years old. He could still learn the art of maintaining upright seam and develop swing/seam. Note pacy bowler with poor seam presentation would be useless.


PCB should not ruin him like Muhammad Zahid & lately Ihsanullah.


We seriously lack genuine talented players and need to preserve such potential stars right from the start as our system lacks ability to nurture and polish players rather than improving mostly their growth stops prematurely.



Hats off to Ramiz Raja for that Under 16 tournament.
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Who can he link up with to help him? I don’t trust the PCB, they’ll use him and discard him. I’d love for Wasim Akram to help him out somehow.
 
I really want this guy to come into the team through proper channels and grooming. Don't want to hype him to the moon and rushed into the team where he might not look good because he is just a kid atm.
 
He needs good two years to build muscles and stamina and learn to use the seam properly and add a bit of pace then he will be ready , I actually want him to open the attack in next U19 worldcup and after that worldcup he should be directly promoted to senior team.
 
Best for him to be sent to shoaib akhtar.

Keep away from everyone else. Shoaib knows the mentality of a fast bowler, the stresses of fast bowling and strengthening regime.
 
Honestly wouldnt mind a one on one personal trainer and coach being appointed to him by PCB, whilst he plays domestic cricket for the next 2 years. No PSL, T20 or league cricket. Looks a class above the upcoming fast bowlers.
 
offstump said:
Who can he link up with to help him? I don’t trust the PCB, they’ll use him and discard him. I’d love for Wasim Akram to help him out somehow.
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That's the problem. We all know the the chances are rare that he will not get ruined. There is not even a single good pacer for Pakistan in the last 10 years didn't get injured. Or if got injured then recovered perfectly.
 
I still think two seasons of fc cricket will be best for him give him a handsome contract stop him from playing useless t20 leagues and have a fitness coach and nutritionist for him and just let him bowl in red ball cricket for couple of seasons there is no learning like red ball cricket for a young player even if it’s a lower standard
 
This kid currently looks malnourished and desperately needs a proper diet/gym plan and direction by a professional coach.

He can be perhaps be a prospect like Mayank Yadav but needs a good 2-3 years of proper coaching and work on his fitness and bowling.

Doubt that he's actually 16 but could be 19 atleast so by 23 he can be a real prospect if he actually works hard and puts in the hardyards that are required but I have my doubts.
 
Deewana Mastana said:
This kid currently looks malnourished and desperately needs a proper diet/gym plan and direction by a professional coach.

He can be perhaps be a prospect like Mayank Yadav but needs a good 2-3 years of proper coaching and work on his fitness and bowling.

Doubt that he's actually 16 but could be 19 atleast so by 23 he can be a real prospect if he actually works hard and puts in the hardyards that are required but I have my doubts.
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His real age is 19 right.
 
12 year old doesn't clear their 9th Standard exam and 16 year old doesn't bowl at 140k+ consistently , he is 19 as he cleared his 9th standard exam 4 years ago.
 
His pace will increase with time but he needs to learn how to utilize seam properly to be effective at international level , he does get random seam movement every now and then his line and length are very consistent alongside decent pace and bounce as well , just only need to learn the seam utilization and he can be as good as Walsh on the later half of his career when he lost his pace.
 
Muhammad Saad said:
His pace will increase with time but he needs to learn how to utilize seam properly to be effective at international level , he does get random seam movement every now and then his line and length are very consistent alongside decent pace and bounce as well , just only need to learn the seam utilization and he can be as good as Walsh on the later half of his career when he lost his pace.
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On this thread - there’s a lot of comparison to Walsh. Why?

I don’t see any similarities.
 
TheSultan said:
On this thread - there’s a lot of comparison to Walsh. Why?

I don’t see any similarities.
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He’s got classical high arm West Indian bowling action hence comparison to Walsh even though Walsh himself doesn’t have that classical action but it was different , Ali Raza action is more like Dillion , holder and Ambrose rather than Walsh.
 
Muhammad Saad said:
He’s got classical high arm West Indian bowling action hence comparison to Walsh even though Walsh himself doesn’t have that classical action but it was different , Ali Raza action is more like Dillion , holder and Ambrose rather than Walsh.
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I think he’s got a good action but nothing has struck to me that it’s a West Indian type of action. And really I don’t even know what the typical West Indian action is. They were all individually very different (and of course, very good).

In terms of similarity I can see the Merv Dhillon action a bit, but for me, merv wasnt very good. He was one of the many mediocre bowlers that accompanied Walsh and Ambrose in the late 90s. Let’s hope Ali turns out much better.
 
Muhammad Saad said:
His pace will increase with time but he needs to learn how to utilize seam properly to be effective at international level , he does get random seam movement every now and then his line and length are very consistent alongside decent pace and bounce as well , just only need to learn the seam utilization and he can be as good as Walsh on the later half of his career when he lost his pace.
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I don't know what his seam looks like because of the 1980s cameras. I think if the seam is good then we can start to dream a little. Until then the PCB need to get the lad on a nutrition diet because he looks like he needs it.
 
Muhammad Saad said:
His pace will increase with time but he needs to learn how to utilize seam properly to be effective at international level , he does get random seam movement every now and then his line and length are very consistent alongside decent pace and bounce as well , just only need to learn the seam utilization and he can be as good as Walsh on the later half of his career when he lost his pace.
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100% agree with you.

I believe you also mentioned his lack of swing earlier which is a valid criticism. Ali Raza is one of their better (if not best) bowling prospects in the system and 2-3 years of consistent development in the system will do him good.

He's just relying on his natural talent right now.

3+ years will give him time to become smarter with his bowling, develop those missing skills, and get stronger. If they fast-track him, his career will get destroyed because he's a more traditional prospect than a generational one. He needs to be molded and worked on otherwise he will either get hurt or lose confidence at the highest level.
 
kingusama92 said:
3+ years will give him time to become smarter with his bowling, develop those missing skills, and get stronger. If they fast-track him, his career will get destroyed because he's a more traditional prospect than a generational one. He needs to be molded and worked on otherwise he will either get hurt or lose confidence at the highest level.
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3+ years in a dysfunctional domestic scene will break him and will end up looking for money in t20 leagues and get distracted.

Unless they want to send him to country cricket for 3 years?

It's better if they see potential they bring him into the international squad and work with him closely in NCA.
 
Flat_Track_Bully said:
3+ years in a dysfunctional domestic scene will break him and will end up looking for money in t20 leagues and get distracted.

Unless they want to send him to country cricket for 3 years?

It's better if they see potential they bring him into the international squad and work with him closely in NCA.
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His time will be wasted if he just tours with the international squad and doesn’t feature. He should be FC cricket as much as he can. You raise a good point, I’d love for a county to bring him over and they work with him for a couple of seasons. This way he’s taken care of, he can grow as an individual plus he’s in the right environment.
 
Flat_Track_Bully said:
3+ years in a dysfunctional domestic scene will break him and will end up looking for money in t20 leagues and get distracted.

Unless they want to send him to country cricket for 3 years?

It's better if they see potential they bring him into the international squad and work with him closely in NCA.
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It's definitely not ideal but a quick promotion is also risky.

I'm not a fan of Pakistan's rubbish system either but the national team itself is in tatters and dysfunctional. I could see a benefit if the team was strong with good leadership but the core is falling apart and barely holding on.

U-19 tours, PAK A tours, foreign assignments, and NCA training might be the right approach in the coming years.

A quick promotion should only be happening with a player like Mohammad Amir. He was absolutely torching FC cricket as a teen making it clear he was too good for that level. I don't think Ali Raza is at that stage right now nor is he that caliber of a prospect despite being great.
 
He was quite impressive during the U19 World Cup.

Hoping to see him in international cricket soon.
 
Lad is very skinny and malnourished. Needs to be provided with a strength conditioning coach and a dietician, nutritionist
 
Muhammad Saad said:
He is a good prospect but not Naseem Shah or M.Amir type wonder kid.
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Mohammad amir was a bowler that we can safely say was "once in a decade". Ali Raza is a hard worker. He can definitely be better than most of the current lot bowlers in the system but he needs proper grooming and no t20 and league exposure in the out-of-country games.

He should stick to domestic and PSL.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Mohammad amir was a bowler that we can safely say was "once in a decade". Ali Raza is a hard worker. He can definitely be better than most of the current lot bowlers in the system but he needs proper grooming and no t20 and league exposure in the out-of-country games.

He should stick to domestic and PSL.
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It's been more than 2 decade and we haven't got a bowler of his caliber.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Mohammad amir was a bowler that we can safely say was "once in a decade". Ali Raza is a hard worker. He can definitely be better than most of the current lot bowlers in the system but he needs proper grooming and no t20 and league exposure in the out-of-country games.

He should stick to domestic and PSL.
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Ali Raza is definitely in the top 7 pacers in our country at the moment.
 
WAPDA's Ali Raza delivered a match-winning performance in the President's One Day Cup 2024, taking 3 crucial wickets and conceding 59 runs in his 10-over spell against KRL.

The numbers don't tell the whole story, though! Ali's spell included 4 wides, but he kept his cool under pressure to help WAPDA seal the victory.
 
He bowled a match-winning spell of 4/57 for Pakistan U19s against Afghanistan U19s in Match 4 of the UAE U19 Tri-Series
 
He should be playing QEA trophy right now it would be better for his development.
 
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