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[PICTURES/VIDEOS] Chinaman: The legend of Kuldeep Yadav

IAJ said:
He is good learner it seems, allways sits next to Akram.

He was taken to the cleaners by Malik, so batsmen will work him out the more they play against him, but a great talent nevertheless.
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He shouldn't be used as a death bowler. That was the main mistake.
 
Was just kidding.

This kid is a special special bowler and I wish him well in his cricket career.

He should not be used at the death. Should be used as an attacking option in the middle order.
 
He should have bowled big leg breaks on middle and offstumps during the death along with a flipper or 2 keep the batsmen back in crease. His bowling is a bit slow, 70km, it is not bad but need more strength in his legs to increase his speed a bit more. He just lost tons of weight so can't ask for too much.
 
With Narine andAjmal gone for good.

Kuldeep can quickly claim the spot for the top spinner in the world.
 
Fan2014 said:
With Narine andAjmal gone for good.

Kuldeep can quickly claim the spot for the top spinner in the world.
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I'm a KKR fan and I really like the kid. I also love T20's more than anyone on this forum.

That said; this guy has played literally 6 matches and been pounded in a couple of those. It's literally ludicrous to be saying he can now be top spinner of the world based on that. For all I know he might become that, but really this sort of hyperbole helps nobody whatsoever.

Also, please note the double-standards earlier in the thread it was "Keep him away fromT20 cricket" and now it is "Congratulations for being selected for India and he can be world's best player (after 4 good games at T20)". All this points out is that every single player should be allowed to play T20 with top players to see whether they have the skill or not, because the way world cricket calendars are structured this is literally the only way talented domestic players can play against so-called better international ones and not have their performances dismissed for being against 'weak domestic sides' and have people speculate about how it won't work against 'international class players'.
 
He is being overhyped. He is good but too many talented spinners have gone awry and this guy hasn't even played a game yet. He is young. Folks should be reasonable.
 
T20 is not the best format for his development: play him in domestic 4 day cricket and look to develop his longer game.
 
CricketAnalyst said:
I'm a KKR fan and I really like the kid. I also love T20's more than anyone on this forum.

That said; this guy has played literally 6 matches and been pounded in a couple of those. It's literally ludicrous to be saying he can now be top spinner of the world based on that. For all I know he might become that, but really this sort of hyperbole helps nobody whatsoever.

Also, please note the double-standards earlier in the thread it was "Keep him away fromT20 cricket" and now it is "Congratulations for being selected for India and he can be world's best player (after 4 good games at T20)". All this points out is that every single player should be allowed to play T20 with top players to see whether they have the skill or not, because the way world cricket calendars are structured this is literally the only way talented domestic players can play against so-called better international ones and not have their performances dismissed for being against 'weak domestic sides' and have people speculate about how it won't work against 'international class players'.
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Maybe it is too early but even Sachin was picked when he was just 16. Kuldeep looks to be special and mark my words, by the end of this year people will rate him as the best spinner in the world. With Ajmal banned for cheating, there is not much competition , is there?
 
Fan2014 said:
Hearth is not being that good in ODI/T20 and does not even get selected for IPL , so he cannot be considered the best. Anyways Herath is old and will be gone in a year or two.
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What an utterly ridiculous statement. Do you not rate Alex Hales because he doesn't play for an IPL franchise? And go and look at Herath's stats.
 
Gigii said:
What an utterly ridiculous statement. Do you not rate Alex Hales because he doesn't play for an IPL franchise? And go and look at Herath's stats.
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Averages 31 in ODIS, thats decent but not worthy of the world's best spinner title in all formats.

As for Alex Hales, i rate him but believe he will only be a finished article only after he can play IPL and face the best T20 players in the world.
 
Fan2014 said:
Averages 31 in ODIS, thats decent but not worthy of the world's best spinner title in all formats.

As for Alex Hales, i rate him but believe he will only be a finished article only after he can play IPL and face the best T20 players in the world.
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In the last 3 years, Ajmal, Mendis, Tredwell, Narine and Jadeja have all taken more ODI wickets and at a better average than Herath. How many of them will you say are up there as the world's best spinner? So I don't believe you should dismiss Herath because he averages 31 in ODIs.

And regarding Hales, he wouldn't face Pakistani bowlers in the IPL. And he probably wouldn't face Harris, Philander, Broad, Anderson etc. So he's wouldn't be facing the best T20 players or the best bowlers in the world.
 
Fan2014 said:
Averages 31 in ODIS, thats decent but not worthy of the world's best spinner title in all formats.

As for Alex Hales, i rate him but believe he will only be a finished article only after he can play IPL and face the best T20 players in the world.
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Enough with the trolling already.. Your posts are smelling of jealousy :))

Welcome to the forum, your posts should be fun
 
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Sandeep said:
Enough with the trolling already.. Your posts are smelling of jealousy :))

Welcome to the forum, your posts should be fun
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Jealous of what?

I am not trolling, i just do not change my views to fit in, like some of you do,
 
Fan2014 said:
Maybe it is too early but even Sachin was picked when he was just 16. Kuldeep looks to be special and mark my words, by the end of this year people will rate him as the best spinner in the world. With Ajmal banned for cheating, there is not much competition , is there?
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The youngest spinner who has impressed most in international cricket, is Raza Hasan. He missed out two years due to injury and Ajmal, and now when he is fit and Ajmal isnt there let us watch out for him.
Let Yadav play international teams like SA and Aus and see how he fares there first.
 
A good spinner, a bowler in general should be able to play any format of the game. It will not effect them, it shouldn't, if it doesn't then the bowler doesn't deserve to play all formats. Batting can be spared for obvious reasons. IF Yadav allows T20 mindset to get into his ODI and Test, then he surely isn't worth playing at other formats. Yadav is yet tested at longer formats, outside of Subcontinent/UAE and especially vs International players. Murali,Warne and Kumble were the only spinners who started dominating cricket since they were in their early 20s. Every other young spinner faded off, Daniel Vettori is a different story. Ajmal, Herath, Swann all changed their lives around in later stage. Spin bowling is a mind game and often, you grow wiser as you age.
 
A fantastic young talent who needs to be persisted with. Do not go by the last 2 matches where he was taken for plenty. Shoaib Malik and Suresh Raina are veteran in this format and has the capability to take on the best. Moreover, there was heavy due in yesterday's game and he was finding in tough to grip the ball. He is only 19 and will (hopefully) only get better from here. He is yet to play a first class/list A game and selected for national team shows how much selectors believe in his potential. Reminds me of Sachin Tendulkar when he was fast tracked into Indian team looking at his talent. MS Dhoni praised Kuldeep as well yesterday during post match presentation. Lets leave the kid alone and lets not hype/downgrade him soon.
 
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Can any of my friends here tell me why he is not playing the ongoing Ranji game against Baroda? Has he been dropped or is he injured? If he has been dropped, then it is beyond me as to why you wouldn't select a guy who took 4 wickets in the only innings UP bowled in their last match?

Any info would be helpful. I am rooting for this guy to be fast tracked into our test team for the home tests. I think he could be a great addition to the test team, looking at our spin cupboard. Plus Ojha is history now.
 
EliteCynic said:
Can any of my friends here tell me why he is not playing the ongoing Ranji game against Baroda? Has he been dropped or is he injured? If he has been dropped, then it is beyond me as to why you wouldn't select a guy who took 4 wickets in the only innings UP bowled in their last match?

Any info would be helpful. I am rooting for this guy to be fast tracked into our test team for the home tests. I think he could be a great addition to the test team, looking at our spin cupboard. Plus Ojha is history now.
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Injured! Got injured in same match (got hit on his thumb while batting) where he took 4 wickets.
 
He's been bowling very well during this IPL however his first class record so far isn't much to write home about. Hope he's not wasted by playing too much T20 cricket.
 
Gabbar Singh said:
He's been bowling very well during this IPL however his first class record so far isn't much to write home about. Hope he's not wasted by playing too much T20 cricket.
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He hasn't gotten regular chances in FC as UP has good spinners. Anyway, its difficult for chinaman bowlers to bowl in the longer formats, look at Brad Hogg. He is a good prospect for LOIs, has good variations & more than decent accuracy
 
He is still at the same level when this thread started.. I have not seen much progress. Having talent is one thing, application is a whole different ball game.

having said that, one has to see how many chances he has got, considering his FC captain is Piyush Chawla and invariably he gets to choose himself over Kulpeep in the UP team (when it comes to spin options)!
 
All Young bowlers need to bowl 100's of overs to learn their trade. I agree he hasn't developed like I thought he would.
 
Totally 10 matches player in FC in 2 years. Rest my case about him being over hyped.

KULDEEP YADAV
Season Balls Mdns Runs Wkts BB Ave 5wI 10wM
2014-15 (India) 818 21 554 16 4-48 34.62 0 0
2015-16 (India) 999 30 610 13 3-64 46.92 0 0
 
EliteCynical said:
Totally 10 matches player in FC in 2 years. Rest my case about him being over hyped.

KULDEEP YADAV
Season Balls Mdns Runs Wkts BB Ave 5wI 10wM
2014-15 (India) 818 21 554 16 4-48 34.62 0 0
2015-16 (India) 999 30 610 13 3-64 46.92 0 0
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He can be useful in LOIs. But won't be good in Tests I reckon.
 
very very inconsistent , but can spin the ball and has some wicket taking balls ..dont look at his stats now . Naturally talented , but could end up like Chawla if he does not work on his consistency
 
People quoting stats from the 10 FC games that he played on unhelpful wickets !

Spinners take time to mature, chinaman is especially a very difficult art to master. Thats why you see so few of them. Kuldeep is on the right track, we should give him a few more years. He is just 21, after all.


The good thing is that the selectors have their eye on him. He played a practice match against SA & troubled a few of them.

http://www.news18.com/cricketnext/news/kuldeep-yadav-is-a-great-talent-says-jp-duminy-1123932.html
 
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The lad looks to have kicked on since my original post. He will have his ups and downs but the basics are solid and thats what will take wickets.
 
Deliveries to Handscomb and Maxwell were absolutely thing of BEAUTY.

WOW.


I am not surprised. For me He was the best player of the Under 19 World Cup.


Way to go young man.
 
Syed1 said:
Already better than Ashwin
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I would be cautious. Ashwin bowled well series after series. Once novelty factor wears off his real test will begin. But he will definitely be more handy in countries like Australia/SA as any wrist spinners.
 
Ashwins odi career is finished with the emergence of kuldeep and chahal is looking like a surprisingly good find for india.

We don't need leg side darters like ashwin anymore.
I can stick my neck and will proclaim that kuldeep will be our starting spinner outside of subcontinent.

Ashwins place is under serious threat outside of home tests
 
sachin100 said:
Ashwins odi career is finished with the emergence of kuldeep and chahal is looking like a surprisingly good find for india.

We don't need leg side darters like ashwin anymore.
I can stick my neck and will proclaim that kuldeep will be our starting spinner outside of subcontinent.

Ashwins place is under serious threat outside of home tests
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I beg to differ. Kuldeep got a hattrick and accolades today, but Chahal looks to be the one with the better temperament especially when under the pump. Don't forget it is he who got the rampaging Maxwell two out of two times when he was threatening to run away with the match.

Yes Kuldeep gets more than one wicket in an over when there is pressure on the opposition, but Chahal to me is the fighter who will turn the tide for you by getting big wickets during crunch times. Well atleast it looks that way at the moment..
 
Moh@n said:
I don't think so. The selectors see him as a genuine number 6 in tests.
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He will be a starter initially for his bowling but not as a nui6 batsman in eng, sa, Australia but not for long if he performs like he hid in previous tours with no control over run rate let alone wickets.
 
And Ashwin is a world class test allrounder and will stay that way in the near future. His ODI place is under huge pressure now but I am pretty sure he will get his chances to win it back on the way to the next WC.
 
dani2k said:
I beg to differ. Kuldeep got a hattrick and accolades today, but Chahal looks to be the one with the better temperament especially when under the pump. Don't forget it is he who got the rampaging Maxwell two out of two times when he was threatening to run away with the match.

Yes Kuldeep gets more than one wicket in an over when there is pressure on the opposition, but Chahal to me is the fighter who will turn the tide for you by getting big wickets during crunch times. Well atleast it looks that way at the moment..
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Not every batsman is a slogger like maxwell. I also accept that chahal is better right now in odis and t 20 but his 4 day stats are horrendous
 
sachin100 said:
Not every batsman is a slogger like maxwell. I also accept that chahal is better right now in odis and t 20 but his 4 day stats are horrendous
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Yes. In tests Kuldeep is the man. But if you are talking about ODIs, Chahal looks to be the one providing better control and catching the bull by the horns. Kuldeep is still young and can definitely become better, but Chahal is looking like the finished product already. If in the future matches only one is going to play, I would prefer him over Kuldeep. But Kullu is a better batsman! So it all depends on team dynamics and requirements to put it mildly.
 
dani2k said:
And Ashwin is a world class test allrounder and will stay that way in the near future. His ODI place is under huge pressure now but I am pretty sure he will get his chances to win it back on the way to the next WC.
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I am not convinced of his bowling in flat wickets in ODIs and as a test bowler outside of india. Next yr will cement his legacy as either a spin track bully or a world class all conditions bowler.

I m not confident of him being a later bowler
 
sachin100 said:
He will be a starter initially for his bowling but not as a nui6 batsman in eng, sa, Australia but not for long if he performs like he hid in previous tours with no control over run rate let alone wickets.
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I am very sure that Shastri and Kohli are inclined towards five bowling options in tests. Without Ashwin the tail becomes too long. Pandya and Saha at 6 and 7 will be a big weakness in away tests. And I don't think they will dump Jadeja as yet for Kuldeep.
 
sachin100 said:
I am not convinced of his bowling in flat wickets in ODIs and as a test bowler outside of india. Next yr will cement his legacy as either a spin track bully or a world class all conditions bowler.

I m not confident of him being a later bowler
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In tests abroad he can do the controlling job and bat at #6. We can play Kuldeep as the attacking spinner (based on conditions) with three seamers or three seamers plus Pandya plus Ashwin playing the lone spinner role.

He played a decent hand in Australia (2011-12) and England (2014) as a batsman. So he can very well perform that role.
 
Very good LOI bowler, Indian version of Imran Tahir. Ashwin will struggle to come back to ODI squad
 
Moh@n said:
I am very sure that Shastri and Kohli are inclined towards five bowling options in tests. Without Ashwin the tail becomes too long. Pandya and Saha at 6 and 7 will be a big weakness in away tests. And I don't think they will dump Jadeja as yet for Kuldeep.
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Absolutely. Ashwin will be a starter initially and i m not saying kuldeep is the first choice right now.
 
Joseph Gomes said:
Very good LOI bowler, Indian version of Imran Tahir. Ashwin will struggle to come back to ODI squad
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Ashwin can stick to Test cricket. His batting is also very handy in Test matches where he does not have to step out of his comfort zone.
 
I rate this guy, played an instrumental role in the deciding Dharamsala Test as well. I'll prefer him overseas to both Ashwin and Jadeja by a long shot.
 
Chahal is not better than kuldeep. Its other way around. Kuldeep is classical wrist spinner. Flight, turn, nowadays wrong one, deceptive etc. Chahal is fast, more stump to stump, flatter and containing. Kuldeep on a bad day will be expensive but still get you wickets. Chahal if taken to attack successfully might lose the plot like Jadeja on flat tracks.
Either way not complaining. Both are good and may form a lethal partnership. One attacking other defensive.
 
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Pollack said:
Chahal is not better than kuldeep. Its other way around. Kuldeep is classical wrist spinner. Flight, turn, nowadays wrong one, deceptive etc. Chahal is fast, more stump to stump, flatter and containing. Kuldeep on a bad day will be expensive but still get you wickets. Chahal if taken to attack successfully might lose the plot like Jadeja on flat tracks.
Either way not complaining. Both are good and may form a lethal partnership. One attacking other defensive.
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Don't think chahal has a long shelf life, he might have a good season or 2 but will fade away sooner rather than later
 
Have so much hopes from him,hopefully keeps learning and work hard and not go Piyush Chawla way.
 
Quite Possible.
Leg Spinners,more than any other type of bowlers,need good captains for them to be really effective.
 
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