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No England captaincy ambitions 'soon', says Brook

Harry Brook says he has no England captaincy ambitions “any time soon”, amid speculation over the future of the white-ball leadership.

Managing director Rob Key has not given any assurances on the positions of white-ball captain Jos Buttler and coach Matthew Mott after England surrendered both the 50-over and T20 World Cups.

Batter Brook, 25, would be a candidate to become skipper if England make a change and is due to lead Northern Superchargers in The Hundred.

"This is my first captaincy role with the Superchargers," he said. "We'll see how that goes and then maybe I'll have a different answer in a couple of months.

"I don't see anything happening any time soon, so I'll just stay in the moment and focus on Test cricket."

Brook will join up with the Superchargers following England's third and final Test against West Indies at Edgbaston, which begins on Friday. The home side are looking to complete a 3-0 clean sweep.

He was part of the England squad for the 50-over World Cup last year, when a horrible campaign included only three wins in nine matches.


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England v West Indies: Harry Brook has no captaincy ambitions 'soon'

Harry Brook says he has no England captaincy ambitions “any time soon”, amid speculation over the future of the white-ball leadership.
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Harry Brook is redefining cricket with an astonishing 9 fifties and 5 centuries in just 25 innings. He's proving once again why he's the best young batter in this modern era. Brook scored a fighting fifty, 56 off 73, against Sri Lanka in the 1st Test.
 
Harry Brook in Tests

Away from home:

797 runs, avg 88.55, four hundreds

In England:

702 runs, avg 41.29, one hundred
 
Michael Atherton on Harry Brook's captaincy via Sky Sports:

"I thought it was interesting listening to him at the toss because I thought he was a bit more focused in what he was saying."

"He got a bit of criticism for his post-match comments at trent Bridge."

"It didn't come over what he wanted to say in the right way."

"I thought he did pretty well there."

"He was conscious that Carse ahd gone for 60 in his first six so he had to get an insurance policy going and brought on Livingstone then Jacks for two and he quickly thought that is enough."

"He didn't let the game drift. He was pretty proactive."
 
At 25 years and 215 days, Harry Brook becomes the youngest England captain to score a century in men's ODIs, he scored magnificent 110* (94) against Australia.
 
Harry Brook follows his unbeaten ton in Durham with a fifty at Lord's, off just 37 balls against Australia in 4th ODI
 
Most runs as captain in a bilateral ODI series vs Australia:

312 - Harry Brook (England, 2024)
310 - Virat Kohli (India, 2019)
285 - MS Dhoni (India, 2009)
278 - Eoin Morgan (England, 2015)
276 - Babar Azam (Pakistan, 2022)
 
England captain Harry Brook has been named the Metro Bank ODI Men’s Player of the Summer following an excellent five-game series against Australia.

Standing in for the injured Jos Buttler, Brook led England in the Metro Bank ODI series against their arch-rivals and ended up being the highest run-getter across both sides. He scored 312 runs at an average of 78 and scored at a phenomenal strike-rate of 127.86. The Yorkshireman scored two half-centuries and a century, his first in ODI cricket.

Some excellent performances with the bat saw the 25-year-old top the ODI MVP charts with 60.83 points. Over the course of the series, he picked up two Match MVPs from five matches.

His highest points haul in a match came in the third ODI at Seat Unique Riverside where he picked up 25.82 points thanks to his unbeaten innings of 110 from just 94 balls to see England to victory by 46 runs (DLS).

Brook’s second Match MVP came a game later in the fourth ODI played at Lord’s. Having been put into bat by Australia, he scored 87 from 58 balls to accumulate 18.44 points. The hosts levelled the series after winning the game by a massive margin of 186 runs.

England had a host of consistent performers in the ODIs played against Australia. New 50-over opener Ben Duckett finished second on the MVP standings with 57.75 points while Will Jacks came home in third place with 36.12 points.

The Metro Bank ODI Men’s Player of the Summer was selected by the PCA Most Valuable Player Rankings. The formula takes into account expected performance on every ball according to CricViz’s extensive database. The algorithm also considers the historic performances of the venue each fixture is being played at, therefore giving a more accurate reflection of the top performers in the game than traditional batting and bowling averages do.

After being named the Metro Bank ODI Men’s Player of the Summer, Brook said: “It is always nice to get on the board and score a few runs and contribute to wins.

“I haven’t played too much ODI cricket but it is nice to contribute to some wins and finally try and get the tempo of one day cricket.

“Its been good to be the England captain. It is something I might think about trying to do in the future but for now I will just sit back and let Jos (Buttler) do it.”

The 2023 cinch PCA Men’s Player of the Year ends an excellent summer with the bat which saw him top the Men’s International Overall MVP charts with 229.25 points. He finished well clear of Joe Root and Gus Atkinson, who have both been nominated for the coveted cinch PCA Awards trophy this year, which will be announced on Tuesday 1 October.

Brook will now team up with the Test squad as they embark on a tour to Pakistan to play three Test matches in the sub-continent. The middle-order batter had a breakout series there in 2022 where he scored 468 runs to top the run-charts.

England’s white-ball team, meanwhile, will head to the Caribbean to play three ODIs and five T20Is against the West Indies before 2025 starts with a tour to India before competing at the ICC Champions Trophy in Pakistan under Brendon McCullum’s regime.
 
He already is a star.

50 off just 49 balls for him today against Pakistan in the first test of the series.

I think he will score more than 400 runs in this series.
 
Harry Brook’s last three innings in Pakistan:

108 in Multan, 2022
111 in Karachi, 2022
101* and counting in Multan, 2024

A master in these conditions
 
4 test century against pakistan as we already have a thread .do runs against even Pakistan count??
 
Devadwal said:
4 test century against pakistan as we already have a thread .do runs against even Pakistan count??
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How many centuries does Kohli and Sachin have against pakistan? Are you willing to take them out to?
 
mominsaigol said:
How many centuries does Kohli and Sachin have against pakistan? Are you willing to take them out to?
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This statement is showing how you understand cricket lol

Pakistan these day are minnows compared to past when they were dominating force.
 
Devadwal said:
This statement is showing how you understand cricket lol

Pakistan these day are minnows compared to past when they were dominating force.
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Acha jee, They were a dominating force in 2023 where kohli and rahul became the 2nd comings of Bradman?

Shall we take away that century?
 
mominsaigol said:
Acha jee, They were a dominating force in 2023 where kohli and rahul became the 2nd comings of Bradman?

Shall we take away that century?
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Before that match Pakistan were number one in odi rankings , Babar was number 1 in odi and Shaheen was number 1 Pacers .

Why you always mixing the formats . This is your problem always . really don't understand cricket at all .
 
Devadwal said:
Before that match Pakistan were number one in odi rankings , Babar was number 1 in odi and Shaheen was number 1 Pacers .

Why you always mixing the formats . This is your problem always . really don't understand cricket at all .
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Right all of the sudden rankings are accurate
 
Devadwal said:
@mominsaigol should i show you the mirror by posting your comment before Asia cup regarding Pakistan ODI team??
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Had different opinions back then which I acknowledged however the truth is pak team scammed everyone and I'm one of the people who got scammed.

In the same way India scammed everyone into believing they would easily win wc 2023.
 
The star has just struck his first double-hundred in Tests against Pakistan in the 1st test.

These flat wickets are a perfect way to break some records and play mammoth inning.
 
Sky Sports' Michael Atherton:

"I think the fact he is batting with Root indicates what his ceiling could be if he transmits all of his potential and promise into achievement, as Root has done over a dozen years or so.

"Brook is clearly as talented... has he got the drive over a long period of time to keep chalking up the runs?

"In this heat and dust, when Root has got 10,000 odd runs and is England's highest run-scorer of all time, he is still greedy for runs.

"The fact Root is doing it at one end, 10 years older than Brook, may just be keeping Brook going as well."
 
BouncerGuy said:
Sky Sports' Michael Atherton:

"I think the fact he is batting with Root indicates what his ceiling could be if he transmits all of his potential and promise into achievement, as Root has done over a dozen years or so.

"Brook is clearly as talented... has he got the drive over a long period of time to keep chalking up the runs?

"In this heat and dust, when Root has got 10,000 odd runs and is England's highest run-scorer of all time, he is still greedy for runs.

"The fact Root is doing it at one end, 10 years older than Brook, may just be keeping Brook going as well."
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How many runs does Brook have in India Australia and SA?

He doesn't even avg 40 in England.

Scoring on these roads against a hapless attack isn't anything big.

If he hadn't bailed out of India tour, he would have been exposed.
 
Hasn't played in Australia and India.

Hold your horses everyone.
 
Sky Sports' Nasser Hussain:

"Brook goes but he has thrilled us with one of the great innings seen on this ground.

"Utterly brilliant. A triple hundred. He is exhausted but full of joy, that was quite brilliant.

"Skill. Technique. Fitness. Concentration."
 
Why do Indians have an itch in their backsides if Brook is getting acclaim? Perhaps it is because he is leaving their prince in his dust?
 
Mamoon said:
Why do Indians have an itch in their backsides if Brook is getting acclaim? Perhaps it is because he is leaving their prince in his dust?
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They want everyone to cheer for them only. LOL.

Entitled and spoiled.
 
Magnificent innings from Brook. I thought he could score 350 or even 400.

Well played.
 
Brook also obliterated Wagner in Newzealand, just because he isn't south East Asian don't mean you gotta whine about him being an amazing batsmen.
 
Pakistan High Performance Coach Tim Nielsen addressed a press conference after day 4 of the 1st Test between England and Pakistan:

"I've kind of been thinking about it for about 12 hours, to be honest. Yeah, he's [Harry Brook] just playing so well. He's got such power. He's well organized. He sets up beautifully when we bowl straight. But because of his power, we almost got scared of bowling straight at times as well. He puts such pressure back on the opposition bowlers."

"I thought just as importantly today, as great as his innings was, it was awesome to see him still running threes when he was 310 not out. You know, it’s hot out there, and England has come from playing Australia in cold conditions, wearing beanies and jackets, to 40° weather here every day. So, it’s a real credit to them and their system. He’s a 20-Test match player now, and to have scored 300 runs, which I think may be only the fifth time ever in English cricket history, that’s pretty storied company. So, you might need to give us a couple of days to come up with a solution. Maybe if he nicks one or misses one early on, that would be a good start for us."
 

Brook can be England's best ever, says Anderson​


James Anderson believes Harry Brook can become England’s best ever batter, surpassing even new record run-scorer Joe Root.

Brook became the first England man to make a Test triple century for 34 years in the astonishing defeat of Pakistan in Multan.

In the same Test, Root made 262, and in doing so he passed Sir Alastair Cook's previous England best of 12,472 career runs.

Anderson, England’s greatest ever bowler and leading Test wicket-taker, believes 25-year-old Brook is the ideal blend of Root and another great, Kevin Pietersen.

"He's on the way to being in the top three that I've played with," Anderson said on his Tailenders podcast. "It's Root, Pietersen and him. He's definitely got all the attributes to overtake them.

"He's just got everything. Without trying to big him up too much because he's still really early in his Test career, I do think that he's got the perfect amount of each of those two and that's what will make him the best that we've ever had."

It is high praise from Anderson, whose haul of 188 Test caps is another England record.

Along with Root and Pietersen, Anderson was also a team-mate of other outstanding England batters like Cook, Alec Stewart, Ian Bell, Michael Vaughan and Graham Thorpe.

Brook has 1,875 runs in 19 Tests and 31 innings. He has a chance to become the fastest Englishman to 2,000 Test runs, beating the 22 matches and 33 innings of the legendary Herbert Sutcliffe in 1928.

Pietersen, perhaps the best three-format batter to ever play for England, had 8,181 runs when his 104-Test career ended in 2014. As a comparison, he had 170 runs fewer than Brook after 19 Tests.

Root had been on track to break Cook's runs record for a number of years, especially in a stellar recent streak of form which has included 18 Test hundreds since the beginning of 2021.

The 33-year-old has 12,664 runs from 147 Tests and could eventually surpass Sachin Tendulkar’s world record of 15,921.

However, like Pietersen, Root was behind Brook after 19 Tests, with 1,447 runs at the same stage of his career.

Anderson, who retired from Test cricket in July, said: "Brook has definitely got the temperament of Joe Root and the technique, even, of Joe Root.

"But he's got the shots of both Root and Pietersen. He can destroy an attack if he wants to, he can play a longer innings if he needs to."

The run-scoring exploits of Brook and Root helped England set new landmarks in taking a 1-0 lead over Pakistan.

England's 823-7 declared was their highest total in Test cricket since 1938. The 556 England conceded in Pakistan’s first innings was the highest total any team has overturned to then go on and earn an innings victory.

Brook and Root shared a partnership of 454, England’s highest of all time for any wicket and the fourth-highest by any Test pair.

"The thing that's really similar between Joe and Harry is that they love batting," said Anderson. "They literally couldn't care less what format it is. They just want to bat.

"They want to have fun doing it. As much as Harry's the younger player and will be learning loads from Rooty, I still think Rooty learns from him as well.

"Joe's one of those sorts of players that wants to keep developing and bettering himself and he does watch other players and try to add bits to his game. I'm sure he's doing that with Harry."

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Pakistan v England: Harry Brook can be our best ever - James Anderson

James Anderson believes Harry Brook can become England’s best ever batter, surpassing even new record run-scorer Joe Root.
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Harry Brook

2023: 13.25 cr (SRH)
2024: 4 cr (DC)
2025: 6,25 cr (DC)

Total: 23.5 cr
 
7th Test century for Brook today against New Zealand.

What a player he is.
 
Phenomenal Away Record

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Harry Brook played a magnificent inning against New Zeand in 1st Test where he scored 171 runs and put England on a driving seat.
 
I mean dont look so back just now recent series pak made spinning pitches that guy got exposed big time couldn't buy a runs vs noman and sajid now bashing new zealand harmless attack in nz unless he proves himself vs spin he will be just overrated flat track bully plz discuss guys on this topic.
 
Aqib_mustafa said:
I mean dont look so back just now recent series pak made spinning pitches that guy got exposed big time couldn't buy a runs vs noman and sajid now bashing new zealand harmless attack in nz unless he proves himself vs spin he will be just overrated flat track bully plz discuss guys on this topic.
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I think he's a gun test player.
 
mominsaigol said:
I think he's a gun test player.
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Bro he is only bashing nz attack we all know nz or australian attacks he is good at bashing he is great against pace but noman and sajid made him a minnow player their bunny he was just mediocre against spinners.
 
A young player with 20 odd tests and 2K tests runs with 7 tons.

Very good start of test career. I could see him having a long career and becoming future Root of Eng with lots of volume.

I don't know if he is flat track bully, but you need flat track bullies in your team as well.
 
It's too early to call him flat track bully just because he scored runs on flat tracks.

Let him tour Aus, Ind, SA and see how he does.
 
Aqib_mustafa said:
Bro he is only bashing nz attack we all know nz or australian attacks he is good at bashing he is great against pace but noman and sajid made him a minnow player their bunny he was just mediocre against spinners.
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The point is he managed to bully pakistan and score a triple ton against them. Even ig you're a flat track bully, scoring triple century requires some serious skill.

And he laces seam, he's good on English pitches as well. But yes he's very poor against spin
 
@Aqib_mustafa even if he turns out to be a flat track bully he will win many matches for England, so he is not overrated in my opinion.

People really need to put some respect when they call someone a Flat Track or Home Track Bully.

The likes of Jayawardene, Clarke, Hussey, Sehwag were called ftbs and htbs and all of them are legends.
 
It is too early to say. If he is a FTB, he will go Voges way.
 
Let him tour SA, Aus and India before making a full judgement. He is probably one of the best players ATM on straightforward pitches but it doesn't mean he's a full FTB just yet. Though I will say his struggles in Pakistan on turning pitches is a point of concern.
 
Buffet said:
It's too early to call him flat track bully just because he scored runs on flat tracks.

Let him tour Aus, Ind, SA and see how he does.
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Bro he is great against pace i got no doubts on that but against pakistan spinners he looked mediocre.
 
batandballbattle said:
Let him tour SA, Aus and India before making a full judgement. He is probably one of the best players ATM on straightforward pitches but it doesn't mean he's a full FTB just yet. Though I will say his struggles in Pakistan on turning pitches is a point of concern.
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Thats what i am trying to say bro he struggled big time on turning pitches vs pak he jas alot work to do on that part.
 
Aqib_mustafa said:
Thats what i am trying to say bro he struggled big time on turning pitches vs pak he jas alot work to do on that part.
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Agreed, his next tour of India will be a test to see whether he can improve his spin technique or not, Even an SL tour will ask the same questions as Prabath is a monster at home
 
batandballbattle said:
Agreed, his next tour of India will be a test to see whether he can improve his spin technique or not, Even an SL tour will ask the same questions as Prabath is a monster at home
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Ya true he got to improve his game fast vs spin otherwise same failures will await him in those places as well.
 
Aqib_mustafa said:
Bro he is great against pace i got no doubts on that but against pakistan spinners he looked mediocre.
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Bro when I spoke to you about Brooks. I meant odi and t20, I feel he's overrated in that format.

In tests the dude is well on his way to become a great.
 
Aqib_mustafa said:
Then how come he looked mediocre vs spin in those pak pitches vs noman and sajid any reason?
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He looked about as mediocre as KP did vs Saeed Ajmal and Rehman in UAE on pitches that had less turn than the Multan and Pindi pitches that England played on in the second and third Tests.

Very very few non-Asian batsmen will score runs on such surfaces and you can’t really hold it against them. He is a tremendous player and the biggest batting talent produced by England since Root emerged in 2012.
 
Aqib_mustafa said:
Bro gun test players dont struggle like that on that same pitch saud scored a brilliant hundred can we say saud is a better player than him on spinning pitches?
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You need to understand that sajid Khan and Nouman Ali on spinning surfaces would have had the same hype as ashwin and jadeja on Indian spin pitches had pcb had the brains to utilise these 2.

Someone like Nouman shpuld have been mainstream for pakistan since 2010, Sake qith sajid who should have been mainstream since 2015.

Infact Brooks was smacking zahid on those rank turner's.

Sajid and nouman would have been atg's however they won't be. They'll be forgotten cricketers because PCB is brain dead.

Root is an atg and even he struggled against them.

Fakhar, Sajid, Nouman, Haris sohail

^^ These 4 have been the best talents pakistan has had in the last decade and they've also been the talents that have been ruined by pcb cause pcb is delusionally holding on to rizwan, Babar, Abrar, Shaheen etc. Their hyping these guys up even though they ain't anything special.
 
mominsaigol said:
You need to understand that sajid Khan and Nouman Ali on spinning surfaces would have had the same hype as ashwin and jadeja on Indian spin pitches had pcb had the brains to utilise these 2.

Someone like Nouman shpuld have been mainstream for pakistan since 2010, Sake qith sajid who should have been mainstream since 2015.

Infact Brooks was smacking zahid on those rank turner's.

Sajid and nouman would have been atg's however they won't be. They'll be forgotten cricketers because PCB is brain dead.

Root is an atg and even he struggled against them.

Fakhar, Sajid, Nouman, Haris sohail

^^ These 4 have been the best talents pakistan has had in the last decade and they've also been the talents that have been ruined by pcb cause pcb is delusionally holding on to rizwan, Babar, Abrar, Shaheen etc. Their hyping these guys up even though they ain't anything special.
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Ya so true my friend pcb has made biggest blunders if you see noman and sajid these are 2 biggest match winners but one thing bro pak had saeed ajmal rehman then yasir Shah back then so these guys got overlooked so finally they got their well deserved chance hopefully they will keep playing now dare i say these 2 atm look even better than ashwin and jadeja.
 
As I said earlier in the thread, the PSL made this guy. 💪
 
mominsaigol said:
You need to understand that sajid Khan and Nouman Ali on spinning surfaces would have had the same hype as ashwin and jadeja on Indian spin pitches had pcb had the brains to utilise these 2.

Someone like Nouman shpuld have been mainstream for pakistan since 2010, Sake qith sajid who should have been mainstream since 2015.

Infact Brooks was smacking zahid on those rank turner's.

Sajid and nouman would have been atg's however they won't be. They'll be forgotten cricketers because PCB is brain dead.

Root is an atg and even he struggled against them.

Fakhar, Sajid, Nouman, Haris sohail

^^ These 4 have been the best talents pakistan has had in the last decade and they've also been the talents that have been ruined by pcb cause pcb is delusionally holding on to rizwan, Babar, Abrar, Shaheen etc. Their hyping these guys up even though they ain't anything special.
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Bro what is the reason for not playing sajid and noman before it was said in reports aqib was the one who inducted these 2 in tests series vs england and to help that aqib made spinning tracks so hopefully aqib just keeps playing these 2 from now on.
 
Aqib_mustafa said:
Ya so true my friend pcb has made biggest blunders if you see noman and sajid these are 2 biggest match winners but one thing bro pak had saeed ajmal rehman then yasir Shah back then so these guys got overlooked so finally they got their well deserved chance hopefully they will keep playing now dare i say these 2 atm look even better than ashwin and jadeja.
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Aqib_mustafa said:
Bro what is the reason for not playing sajid and noman before it was said in reports aqib was the one who inducted these 2 in tests series vs england and to help that aqib made spinning tracks so hopefully aqib just keeps playing these 2 from now on.
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Will be a little long so I apologise for the long read.

"but one thing bro pak had saeed ajmal rehman then yasir Shah back then so these guys got overlooked "

That still shouldn't be an excuse. Saeed ajmal was cooked in 2014 once he was exposed as a chucker. Similarly hafeez was completly useless in the team for a good long while. When he was temporarily banned, ct 2013 team took a massive hit cause steyn had wrecked Hafeez's confidence qith the bat. He was dead weight.

Logically Noman Ali should have made his debut in 2010, he's way better then zilfiqar Ali Babar who misbah promoted. Pakistan could have really used a spinner who as a batsmen is significantly better then saeed ajmal.

Saeed, Hafeez and Afridi could have been the main trio with nouman as backup but once this trio faded away, Noman should have replaced Ajmal first choice.

It was stupid to rely on haris sohail as a spinner as while sohail isn't bad, he ain't a great spinner. Similarly Yasir Shah would have been a much better bowler if noman was around.

Yasir Shah was the perfect replacement for Saeed in tests but Misbah ran him into the ground, He would have retired as am atg spinner had the work load been shared.

Noman Ali has been around for a long long time. No excuse to debut him at 35 and then not even have him as a regular until be was 38.

Same with sajid, Sajid should have made his debut in all formats during the bangaldesh series under azhar Ali, Pakistan was in trasition and the biggest problem in sarfi and Azhar's era is that mickey Arthur didn't develop a specialist spinner. He kept relying on pseudo allrounders like imad, shadab, nawaz etc to comply with specialist spin and they weren't good enough.

I love Mickey but this was clearly his weakest fortei, Mickey has a history of not liking spin specialists.
 
mominsaigol said:
Will be a little long so I apologise for the long read.

"but one thing bro pak had saeed ajmal rehman then yasir Shah back then so these guys got overlooked "

That still shouldn't be an excuse. Saeed ajmal was cooked in 2014 once he was exposed as a chucker. Similarly hafeez was completly useless in the team for a good long while. When he was temporarily banned, ct 2013 team took a massive hit cause steyn had wrecked Hafeez's confidence qith the bat. He was dead weight.

Logically Noman Ali should have made his debut in 2010, he's way better then zilfiqar Ali Babar who misbah promoted. Pakistan could have really used a spinner who as a batsmen is significantly better then saeed ajmal.

Saeed, Hafeez and Afridi could have been the main trio with nouman as backup but once this trio faded away, Noman should have replaced Ajmal first choice.

It was stupid to rely on haris sohail as a spinner as while sohail isn't bad, he ain't a great spinner. Similarly Yasir Shah would have been a much better bowler if noman was around.

Yasir Shah was the perfect replacement for Saeed in tests but Misbah ran him into the ground, He would have retired as am atg spinner had the work load been shared.

Noman Ali has been around for a long long time. No excuse to debut him at 35 and then not even have him as a regular until be was 38.

Same with sajid, Sajid should have made his debut in all formats during the bangaldesh series under azhar Ali, Pakistan was in trasition and the biggest problem in sarfi and Azhar's era is that mickey Arthur didn't develop a specialist spinner. He kept relying on pseudo allrounders like imad, shadab, nawaz etc to comply with specialist spin and they weren't good enough.

I love Mickey but this was clearly his weakest fortei, Mickey has a history of not liking spin specialists.
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Ya well made points by you as usual mickey was the one who introduced bits and pieces all rounders he hated specialist spinners that was pak downfall in test matches thank god he is gone otherwise if he was around we would have not even seen sajid and noman playing thats where i like aqib he understands sena team weakness and play proper spinners kudos to aqib for that.
 
Aqib_mustafa said:
Ya well made points by you as usual mickey was the one who introduced bits and pieces all rounders he hated specialist spinners that was pak downfall in test matches thank god he is gone otherwise if he was around we would have not even seen sajid and noman playing thats where i like aqib he understands sena team weakness and play proper spinners kudos to aqib for that.
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Aqib is a mixed bag. However I do appreciate him more, because for some reason the reception seems to be negative.

The main issue with aqib is t20. He's given it to a captain who's incompetent and can't play t20 himself hence I see no progress being made in t20.

However tbf to Aqib, Pakistan domestics is decades behind other teams in t20 so it's not a big issue.

In terms of tests and odi he's been solid and is actually getting pakistan results and new players are being tried.

The idea of playing your b string against Zimbabwe is a novelty as under ramiz pakistan would play full strength against every team and would eventually get a reality check in cups, + he gave tayyab tahir a debut and I back tayyab.

He was also the only one who had the gall to drop Babar and give the hard working Kamran ghulam a chance. Kamran and tayyab should have made their debut a year ago.

Similarly he's also trying to get fakhar back in, He backed saim.

He's been rock solid in odi and test and must be appreciated for it. The only issue is Rizwan, However tbf to Aqib, their really wasn't anyone else. Muhammad haris, Fakhar, Agha and these guys honestly aren't cut out. I hate rizwan but no choice really so I can understand aqib's decision.

Plus aqib isn't letting rizwan choose the squad. He's letting rizzu choose the playing 11 but not the squad. Babar use to choose his friendship 15 which cost us alot. Shan did the same so Aqib is actually selecting as he sees fit.

If I were Aqib, I'd relinquish any control of t20 as aqib isn't good for t20. He'll collapse the t20 side even worse then Misbah.

But for odi and test, aqib is really solid. He's doing a better job then Waqar, Misbah, Gary and Gillispie atm.

Mickey is a tough one as Mickey was a very good odi and t20 coach but a rubbish test coach.

However Aqib is willing to kick Babar out of test and t20 and is taking control away from the captains, Something mickey couldn't do in his 2nd stint as Babar didn't let him.

Aqib isn't perfect, but I agree with his decisions so far. He's been the best influence for pakistan in test and odi since his appointment.
 
mominsaigol said:
Aqib is a mixed bag. However I do appreciate him more, because for some reason the reception seems to be negative.

The main issue with aqib is t20. He's given it to a captain who's incompetent and can't play t20 himself hence I see no progress being made in t20.

However tbf to Aqib, Pakistan domestics is decades behind other teams in t20 so it's not a big issue.

In terms of tests and odi he's been solid and is actually getting pakistan results and new players are being tried.

The idea of playing your b string against Zimbabwe is a novelty as under ramiz pakistan would play full strength against every team and would eventually get a reality check in cups, + he gave tayyab tahir a debut and I back tayyab.

He was also the only one who had the gall to drop Babar and give the hard working Kamran ghulam a chance. Kamran and tayyab should have made their debut a year ago.

Similarly he's also trying to get fakhar back in, He backed saim.

He's been rock solid in odi and test and must be appreciated for it. The only issue is Rizwan, However tbf to Aqib, their really wasn't anyone else. Muhammad haris, Fakhar, Agha and these guys honestly aren't cut out. I hate rizwan but no choice really so I can understand aqib's decision.

Plus aqib isn't letting rizwan choose the squad. He's letting rizzu choose the playing 11 but not the squad. Babar use to choose his friendship 15 which cost us alot. Shan did the same so Aqib is actually selecting as he sees fit.

If I were Aqib, I'd relinquish any control of t20 as aqib isn't good for t20. He'll collapse the t20 side even worse then Misbah.

But for odi and test, aqib is really solid. He's doing a better job then Waqar, Misbah, Gary and Gillispie atm.

Mickey is a tough one as Mickey was a very good odi and t20 coach but a rubbish test coach.

However Aqib is willing to kick Babar out of test and t20 and is taking control away from the captains, Something mickey couldn't do in his 2nd stint as Babar didn't let him.

Aqib isn't perfect, but I agree with his decisions so far. He's been the best influence for pakistan in test and odi since his appointment.
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Rock solid points again fully agreed aqib is doing great job so far in tests and odis in t20 i think he is trying things we should give him time with psl happening i am sure he will get to know more about t20 talent whoever will perform there will get his chance and he will get t20 team in good shape bro how highly do you rate tayyib tahir and omair bin yousuf?
 
Aqib_mustafa said:
Rock solid points again fully agreed aqib is doing great job so far in tests and odis in t20 i think he is trying things we should give him time with psl happening i am sure he will get to know more about t20 talent whoever will perform there will get his chance and he will get t20 team in good shape bro how highly do you rate tayyib tahir and omair bin yousuf?
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Not that highly. Their good and decent players and the biggest problem with pakistani fans is that they are delusional.

They either love to kiss Misbah's boots or nitpick every batter who makes a debut like kamran, Tayyab etc because they ain't international standard.

However the sad truth is, Jaiswal, Rachin, Travis etc etc won't come from this system and pakistani domestic system is something that'll take decades to fix and bring up to speed to international standards.

Maybe a fakhar zaman, or saeed Anwar or some revolutionary prodigy will come up but it'll only be one batter per generation who'll be naturally gifted. Won't happen otherwise.

Both omair and tayyab are good batters but that's just about it. They should be in the team but no point in comparing them to Travis or rachin or root etc etc.

Yes one thing must change in pakistan and that's this garbage system of nepotism. Players who are exceptional need to be protected but pcb is way way too stupid to see it.

I'm gonna name some top talents but I can't name all of them so I'll miss a few

1) Fakhar zaman
2) Sajid Khan
3) Noman Ali
4) Haris sohail
5) Amir

^^ These 5 have been pakistan's best talents in the past 10 years and the only international top tier standard players. But none of them were ever groomed. Usually if a player is inconsistent like fakhar or have a bad record in one format like sajid does in List A, or has fitness issues like haris sohail,

International staff works day and night to fix said issues. However in pakistan guys like misbah, Inzi, Ramiz will Shove them aside for their favourites like rizwan, Imam, Babar etc.

Amir is the only one who can't be defended as he Botched it. The other 4, no excuse.

After these 4 the next talents that are top tier but not in the same league are

1) Saud Shakeel (Top tier in tests but otherwise decent everywhere else)

2) Sharjeel Khan (2014-2017 but ruined his career so this isn't on management)

3) Sarfaraz Ahmed (Top tier talent in 2014-2015 did bog down in 2016 due to fitness but management did him dirty in 2019 sri lanka t20 series, mickey also messed up the test circuit for sarfi)

4) Fawad Alam (was done dirty, he'd be a bunny against aus, but should have been a test and odi regular, YK did him diety in odi and misbah in tests)

5) Babar Azam (Top class but he ruined his career via being lazy)

6) Saim Ayub (Getting better and he's clearly a talent, just hasn't properly kicked off as yet)

7) Imad wasim (Done dirty in 2021, but upon return lost fitness so it's both the management and his fault)

8) Shaheen (lost form)

And obviously many others that I'm missing

After that the next tier is

1) Kamran Ghulam
2) Tayyab Tahir
3) Salman Ali Agha (in tests)
4) Omair Bin Yousaf
Etc etc

^^ All these guys are hard workers and will score runs for pakistan but at the end of the day their just okay. Nothing special.

The problem with pakistan is that they keep choosing rubbish tier cricketers who are below this lot.

The likes of shadab, Nawaz, Chacha, Rizwan, Abdullah Shafique etc etc are God damn abominations of manking that somehow keep getting selected because Babar + Rizwan + misbah friendship circle.
 
mominsaigol said:
Not that highly. Their good and decent players and the biggest problem with pakistani fans is that they are delusional.

They either love to kiss Misbah's boots or nitpick every batter who makes a debut like kamran, Tayyab etc because they ain't international standard.

However the sad truth is, Jaiswal, Rachin, Travis etc etc won't come from this system and pakistani domestic system is something that'll take decades to fix and bring up to speed to international standards.

Maybe a fakhar zaman, or saeed Anwar or some revolutionary prodigy will come up but it'll only be one batter per generation who'll be naturally gifted. Won't happen otherwise.

Both omair and tayyab are good batters but that's just about it. They should be in the team but no point in comparing them to Travis or rachin or root etc etc.

Yes one thing must change in pakistan and that's this garbage system of nepotism. Players who are exceptional need to be protected but pcb is way way too stupid to see it.

I'm gonna name some top talents but I can't name all of them so I'll miss a few

1) Fakhar zaman
2) Sajid Khan
3) Noman Ali
4) Haris sohail
5) Amir

^^ These 5 have been pakistan's best talents in the past 10 years and the only international top tier standard players. But none of them were ever groomed. Usually if a player is inconsistent like fakhar or have a bad record in one format like sajid does in List A, or has fitness issues like haris sohail,

International staff works day and night to fix said issues. However in pakistan guys like misbah, Inzi, Ramiz will Shove them aside for their favourites like rizwan, Imam, Babar etc.

Amir is the only one who can't be defended as he Botched it. The other 4, no excuse.

After these 4 the next talents that are top tier but not in the same league are

1) Saud Shakeel (Top tier in tests but otherwise decent everywhere else)

2) Sharjeel Khan (2014-2017 but ruined his career so this isn't on management)

3) Sarfaraz Ahmed (Top tier talent in 2014-2015 did bog down in 2016 due to fitness but management did him dirty in 2019 sri lanka t20 series, mickey also messed up the test circuit for sarfi)

4) Fawad Alam (was done dirty, he'd be a bunny against aus, but should have been a test and odi regular, YK did him diety in odi and misbah in tests)

5) Babar Azam (Top class but he ruined his career via being lazy)

6) Saim Ayub (Getting better and he's clearly a talent, just hasn't properly kicked off as yet)

7) Imad wasim (Done dirty in 2021, but upon return lost fitness so it's both the management and his fault)

8) Shaheen (lost form)

And obviously many others that I'm missing

After that the next tier is

1) Kamran Ghulam
2) Tayyab Tahir
3) Salman Ali Agha (in tests)
4) Omair Bin Yousaf
Etc etc

^^ All these guys are hard workers and will score runs for pakistan but at the end of the day their just okay. Nothing special.

The problem with pakistan is that they keep choosing rubbish tier cricketers who are below this lot.

The likes of shadab, Nawaz, Chacha, Rizwan, Abdullah Shafique etc etc are God damn abominations of manking that somehow keep getting selected because Babar + Rizwan + misbah friendship circle.
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@Aqib_mustafa

Biggest Lanats to represent Pakistan post 2020

1) Rizwan
2) Chacha
3) Abdullah
4) Abrar
5) Shadab
6) Nawaz


As for Babar, Imam, Shaheen, Rauf and many others, They ain't bad. Their a bit overhated but yes, Their fans overrate them beyond belief.

However they have certain credentials. Imam at the end of the day has multiple centuries, a 151 against peak England in their own den, and multiple solid partnerships with fakhar. Again he's medicore and fakhar + Saim should be the new pair but Imam is superior to Abdullah who's an abomination.

Same with shaheen and Babar, they've lost form but they ain't bad in their peaks. Problem is their fans make you believe like they were some all time forces of nature in 2019 when in reality even in 2019 they weren't that good.
 
mominsaigol said:
@Aqib_mustafa

Biggest Lanats to represent Pakistan post 2020

1) Rizwan
2) Chacha
3) Abdullah
4) Abrar
5) Shadab
6) Nawaz


As for Babar, Imam, Shaheen, Rauf and many others, They ain't bad. Their a bit overhated but yes, Their fans overrate them beyond belief.

However they have certain credentials. Imam at the end of the day has multiple centuries, a 151 against peak England in their own den, and multiple solid partnerships with fakhar. Again he's medicore and fakhar + Saim should be the new pair but Imam is superior to Abdullah who's an abomination.

Same with shaheen and Babar, they've lost form but they ain't bad in their peaks. Problem is their fans make you believe like they were some all time forces of nature in 2019 when in reality even in 2019 they weren't that good.
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Ya true bro from now on we got to have fakhar and saim in t20 and odis opening that will solve half of the problem pak is facing in t20.
 
Aqib_mustafa said:
Ya true bro from now on we got to have fakhar and saim in t20 and odis opening that will solve half of the problem pak is facing in t20.
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Back to topic, Brooks isn't overrated in tests. His stats are inflated but he's a gun player.

Him struggling along with root shows how stupid pcb is and not how bad they are

Since sajid and nouman are nightmares on spinning pitches.

Credit needs to be given to these 2 and not the pitch. It's not like every tom dick and Harry spinner was smoking England on said pitch. Zahid was getting smacked. Abrar in the first Test was so bad he started coming from around the wicket out of fear.

Abrar can get away with fluke performances here and their against top sides and maybe perform against minnows but no matter the pitch a 60KPH woman spinner ain't bothering anyone

Had abrar played the 2nd and 3rd test, He'd have gotten the same treatment zahid did.

Replace sajod and nouman in the 2nd and 3rd test for zahid and Abrar and not a single soul would be talking about the spin pitches.

The thing about sajid and nouman is that their actual spinners. They bowl with variation, pace and accurate line and lengths.

Their biggest issue is that their not street smart and will likely get exposed on non spin tracks, Mainly because to succeed on such tracks you gotta be adaptive like Warne and think out of box, However unless your Warne and murli, thats most spinners. Ashwin and jadeja who are falsely hyped up are also virtual run machines in aus and sa, infact ashwin was once again dropped for the 1st test in BGT.

Sajid and Nouman could have been pakistan's ashwin and jadeja, Aka lethal on spin tracks and useless in aus and sa but pcb is stupid that's all.

Nothing wrong with Brook in tests. Sajid and nouman were excellent. Brook is overrated in odi and t20 though. He isn't a good odi and T20 batter
 
mominsaigol said:
Back to topic, Brooks isn't overrated in tests. His stats are inflated but he's a gun player.

Him struggling along with root shows how stupid pcb is and not how bad they are

Since sajid and nouman are nightmares on spinning pitches.

Credit needs to be given to these 2 and not the pitch. It's not like every tom dick and Harry spinner was smoking England on said pitch. Zahid was getting smacked. Abrar in the first Test was so bad he started coming from around the wicket out of fear.

Abrar can get away with fluke performances here and their against top sides and maybe perform against minnows but no matter the pitch a 60KPH woman spinner ain't bothering anyone

Had abrar played the 2nd and 3rd test, He'd have gotten the same treatment zahid did.

Replace sajod and nouman in the 2nd and 3rd test for zahid and Abrar and not a single soul would be talking about the spin pitches.

The thing about sajid and nouman is that their actual spinners. They bowl with variation, pace and accurate line and lengths.

Their biggest issue is that their not street smart and will likely get exposed on non spin tracks, Mainly because to succeed on such tracks you gotta be adaptive like Warne and think out of box, However unless your Warne and murli, thats most spinners. Ashwin and jadeja who are falsely hyped up are also virtual run machines in aus and sa, infact ashwin was once again dropped for the 1st test in BGT.

Sajid and Nouman could have been pakistan's ashwin and jadeja, Aka lethal on spin tracks and useless in aus and sa but pcb is stupid that's all.

Nothing wrong with Brook in tests. Sajid and nouman were excellent. Brook is overrated in odi and t20 though. He isn't a good odi and T20 batter
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Ya excellent points made by you brook is having a great time well done to him on that ya in t20 and odi so far h hasn't found any success but you are right ashwin and jadeja always made to sit out outside india show their calibre that they only can be good on spinning pitches this time they even got exposed on tracks they made vs nz.
 
Harry Brook came in with England struggling at 43/4 and scored a 47-ball 50* to rescue his team in the 2nd Test against New Zealand.
 
Harry brook is the best young test batsman in the world right now and also probably the best test batsman in the world right now.

He averages over 60 and has scored over 1000 runs in 2024.
 
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