[PICTURES/VIDEOS] Jasprit Bumrah is the best fast-bowler in the world right now

[aboveandbeyond]

I am sure Wasim would have atleast 1 man of series in Nz he used to bully them...

Yes I think 93.

 

[kron]

Correct. Bumrah's had incredible success but there's a reason such actions are neither commonplace or recommended in cricket.

To be clear - all fast bowling actions put immense strain on the body. It's the most physically taxing role in cricket so complaining about fast bowler injuries is like complaining the rain makes things wet.

However as already well documented, Bumrah's uniquely vulnerable to injury due to his short stuttering runup and reliance of his upper body to generate pace.

Don't forget Bumrah also has hyperextension. Obviously kids now will want to copy Bumrah because of his success, but not sure if it's a sustainable template to follow.

Look at that Sri Lankan kid Pathirana whose arm is even lower than Malinga's. Like his idol he's already picking up injuries like no tomorrow.

I would recommend kids to copy Anderson shami cummins rabada steyn for perfect bowling actions

I agree kids copying bumrahs action is terrible advice.

Rabada has the perfect repeatable action.

 

[Varun]

India has many important series and upcoming IPL so cannot risk Bumrah when he is fully injured he cannot bowl from a run up. It will end his carrier.

He is free to skip the stupid IPL.

 

[Varun]

India has many important series and upcoming IPL so cannot risk Bumrah when he is fully injured he cannot bowl from a run up. It will end his carrier.

He is free to skip the stupid IPL.

 

[Ab Fan]

He is free to skip the stupid IPL.

Yes he should. There is a point of time in a fast bowler’s career when you take such big decisions. Bumrah should do this too, he just had a hectic year of Test cricket or basically international cricket.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Speaking to a local media outlet, Ricky Ponting shared a concerning update on the Jasprit Bumrah's injury:

"It seemed like a real worry for me."

"They said back spasms when he got back (to the SCG). [But] he's running up the stairs. He ran off the field. Those are not signs or symptoms of back spasms. I will keep my fingers crossed and hope it is. I would love to see him take further part in this game and not be out for an extended period of time again like he was with the stress fractures a couple of years ago."

"They have scanning machines in the dressing rooms. He went for an injection. Probably Cortisone."

 

[Ab Fan]

Bumrah was a top performer in 2023 ODI World Cup and the best performer in 2024 T20 World Cup alongwith delivering the best year of his career in Test cricket in 2024.

This is the time when he needs to take utmost care of his fitness and form both.

Play 4-5 more years and retire with 600+ international wickets.

 

[psyoptica]

Indians as usual will hype him to the moon and claim he's the best ever whereas Pakistanis will downplay his acheivements. From a purely neutral stand point however, Bumrah without a doubt is the best fast bowler in modern day cricket who has performed at the biggest stages and instrumental in many Indian victories. He needs to continue to perform at this level for a few more years before he can be considered a great in history. He's far from being considered a great right now.

 

[BCCI-Enforcer]

He is free to skip the stupid IPL.

IPL is a bit commitment for a Indian cricketer. It's not so easy to skip. He can skip some match against minnows instead.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Australia opening batter Usman Khawaja, while talking to local media, said:

“You never wanna see anyone injured, and it’s a shame he was, but thank god for us. Because today would have been an absolute nightmare facing him [Bumrah] on that wicket."

“You can see what a big part of the [Indian] team he was. And everyone felt it. As soon as we didn’t see Bumrah out there, we had this sense of feeling that, ‘alright, we’ve actually got a chance here’.”

“To be honest, I was just getting Bumrah-ed.”

“Like it was friggin’ tough work. It was tough work. People were asking me what’s going on, and I’m being honest: I was getting Bumrah-ed. I had to face this guy with the new ball every single time.”

“He’s the toughest bowler I’ve ever faced.”

“I faced in 2018 and I think he only got me out once. He was always good, he’s a very good bowler, but he’s been something else this year."

“The wickets have definitely helped his cause but he’s six years more mature, he’s a better bowler, he understands the skills, he understands who he’s bowling to, he has different plans for everyone."

“I always feel like no matter how good a bowler is, they’ll give me something to score off but I never felt like I could score off Bumrah. It was just so hard. It’s easy for me to say now because I don’t have to face him again, thank god.”

 

[Mamoon]

Indians hyping Bumrah to the moon makes sense. India is a joke when it comes to fast bowling legacy.

Prior to Bumrah, their best ever pacers (Zaheer, Srinath etc.) were not good enough to carry drinks and towels for all the time D XI.

Bumrah is the one and only pacer in Indian cricket history who is comparable to world class pacers from other countries so it perfectly normal if Indian fans, in light of their embarrassing legacy as a fast bowling nation, are unable to contain their excitement and are getting overboard.

For the rest of the countries, apart from 1-2, they have produced better pacers than Bumrah and will produce better pacers than Bumrah in the future.

 

[jnaveen1980]

He is free to skip the stupid IPL.

I don't want him to operate at full tilt even if he bowls

 

[kron]

Indians hyping Bumrah to the moon makes sense. India is a joke when it comes to fast bowling legacy.

Prior to Bumrah, their best ever pacers (Zaheer, Srinath etc.) were not good enough to carry drinks and towels for all the time D XI.

Bumrah is the one and only pacer in Indian cricket history who is comparable to world class pacers from other countries so it perfectly normal if Indian fans, in light of their embarrassing legacy as a fast bowling nation, are unable to contain their excitement and are getting overboard.

For the rest of the countries, apart from 1-2, they have produced better pacers than Bumrah and will produce better pacers than Bumrah in the future.

Yes because Indian pitches are extremely conducive to fast bowling.

And plus coke bottles, balls tampering and biting the balls weren't allowed in Indian domestics unlike a particular nation that allows such things to happen.

Compare when pitches are same for all nations.

Easy to produce fast bowlers when you have pitches conducive to fast bowling and much easier to stat pad my boy.

 

[BCCI-Enforcer]

Yes because Indian pitches are extremely conducive to fast bowling.

And plus coke bottles, balls tampering and biting the balls weren't allowed in Indian domestics unlike a particular nation that allows such things to happen.

Compare when pitches are same for all nations.

Easy to produce fast bowlers when you have pitches conducive to fast bowling and much easier to stat pad my boy.

I didn't know that Pakistanis allow tempering in domestic cricket. That why their hyped bowler flip in international.

 

[jnaveen1980]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1876126527626063888

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

One of the most impressive things about Bumrah, for me, is how he has managed to come back from not one but two stress fractures.

Anyone who has followed fast bowling knows that a stress fracture is a very serious injury that has, at worst, ended careers and, at best, derailed the careers of some incredible fast-bowling prospects like Shane Bond and Ian Bishop.

I’ll be very honest—after his second stress fracture, I thought Bumrah was heading down the same injury-prone path as other initially promising Indian fast bowlers like Ashish Nehra and Irfan Pathan. But somehow, he managed to come back even better.

He’s a generational talent. As long as he’s playing, he has the ability to single-handedly win matches for India and even carry a mediocre pace attack on his shoulders.

 

[Hitman]

 

[Buffet]

That's very easy call to make.

He is better than Steyn, Cummins, Anderson, Rabda etc since 2007 if you take all 3 formats combined. He does not have a stiff competition.

 

[jnaveen1980]

That's very easy call to make.

He is better than Steyn, Cummins, Anderson, Rabda etc since 2007 if you take all 3 formats combined. He does not have a stiff competition.

He is the only bowler to have achieved no.1 ICC rankings in all 3 formats.

 

[Buffet]

He is the only bowler to have achieved no.1 ICC rankings in all 3 formats.

Since T20 is relatively new,

How many bowlers have achieved no. 1 ranking in Test and ODI both?

 

[jnaveen1980]

Since T20 is relatively new,

How many bowlers have achieved no. 1 ranking in Test and ODI both?

That number may be higher.

 

[Buffet]

That number may be higher.

It will be interesting to see the entire list. I don't think the list will be a long one.

 

[Golu-momin]

Indians as usual will hype him to the moon and claim he's the best ever whereas Pakistanis will downplay his acheivements. From a purely neutral stand point however, Bumrah without a doubt is the best fast bowler in modern day cricket who has performed at the biggest stages and instrumental in many Indian victories. He needs to continue to perform at this level for a few more years before he can be considered a great in history. He's far from being great

Australian legends ,english legends ,african legends giving statements about bumrah being greatest ever opposition batsman saying he’s toughest and here pakistanis becoming neutral Haha

 

[Golu-momin]

Yes I think 93.

Wasim has multiple series where he was smashed in Australia and i have seen him getting smashed in odis too a many times. That too when batsman wasn’t as aggressive as today while bumrah hardly ever smashed that tell his economy rate in today’s era which is better than past era despite now more batting friendly rules. You should accept that bumrah is greatest all format bowler ever and definitely in top 5 test bowler and wasim is tier below while waqar is ashok dinda level bowler without tempering, Accept reality you will be relieved. World has accepted it only pakistanis can’t

 

[jnaveen1980]

It will be interesting to see the entire list. I don't think the list will be a long one.

I searched from the 70s


Marshall
Hadlee
Ambrose
Warne
Bumrah

Name	Test	ODI	T20
Kapil	2	1
Holding	1	2
Marshall	1	1
Hadlee	1	1
Botham	1	5
Akram	2	1
Waqar	1	2
Ambrose	1	1
Warne	1	1
Walsh	3	1
Donald	1	2
Mcgrath	1	1	2
Pollock	1	1	5
Steyn	1	2	5
Murali	1	1	14
Bumrah	1	1	1
Starc	5	1	4
Boult	3	1	9
Cummins	1	3	13
Hazlewood	2	1	1
Rabada	1	1	19
Shaheen	3	1	9
Ashwin	1	5	2
Jadeja	1	1	8

 

[Buffet]

I searched from the 70s


Marshall
Hadlee
Ambrose
Warne
Bumrah

Name	Test	ODI	T20
Kapil	2	1
Holding	1	2
Marshall	1	1
Hadlee	1	1
Botham	1	5
Akram	2	1
Waqar	1	2
Ambrose	1	1
Warne	1	1
Walsh	3	1
Donald	1	2
Mcgrath	1	1	2
Pollock	1	1	5
Steyn	1	2	5
Murali	1	1	14
Bumrah	1	1	1
Starc	5	1	4
Boult	3	1	9
Cummins	1	3	13
Hazlewood	2	1	1
Rabada	1	1	19
Shaheen	3	1	9
Ashwin	1	5	2
Jadeja	1	1	8

Your this list is showing many more pacers. Even without looking I knew McGrath had rank 1 in both formats. Based on what you posted,

1. Marshall
2. Hadlee
3. Ambrose
4. McGrath
5. Pollock
6. Bumrah
7. Rabada

Total 7 pacers have achieved rank 1 in test and ODI.

Only 1 pacer, Bumrah, has achieved rank 1 in test, ODI and T20.


Does not mean that they were the only all format good pacers. But as expected list is short one in 2 formats as well.

Ranking system has issues like some one getting a run of 50 games vs other not playing all 50 games. So not the start and the end of everything. If you miss games then you got to make up by doing far far better than others to make up lost points due to penalty.

 

[Buffet]

You should accept that bumrah is greatest all format bowler ever and definitely in top 5 test bowler and wasim is tier below while waqar is ashok dinda level bowler without tempering, Accept reality you will be relieved. World has accepted it only pakistanis can’t

It's totally unreasonable to club Waqar with bowlers like Dinda in the same sentence. Waqar is among the top 15 test bowlers. Dinda will be may be 450th best test bowler. I am just making up rank for Dinda because exact rank is neither important nor i want to find out.

Waqar is one of the legends of cricket and among the best bowlers we have seen.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Your this list is showing many more pacers. Even without looking I knew McGrath had rank 1 in both formats. Based on what you posted,

1. Marshall
2. Hadlee
3. Ambrose
4. McGrath
5. Pollock
6. Bumrah
7. Rabada

Total 7 pacers have achieved rank 1 in test and ODI.

Only 1 pacer, Bumrah, has achieved rank 1 in test, ODI and T20.


Does not mean that they were the only all format good pacers. But as expected list is short one in 2 formats as well.

Ranking system has issues like some one getting a run of 50 games vs other not playing all 50 games. So not the start and the end of everything. If you miss games then you got to make up by doing far far better than others to make up lost points due to penalty.

Back in the 80,90,00s there was no concept of rotating bowlers. Odds are they played almost all the games.

 

[Buffet]

Back in the 80,90,00s there was no concept of rotating bowlers. Odds are they played almost all the games.

Yah, it's harder to get 1 if you are not playing all matches. You start losing 1% for each missed match. Don't play 5 random ODI, with 800 base points, you lose 40 points. Next game you start at 760.

Given how many tests, ODIs and T20 Bumrah has missed I am very surprised to see him get to rank 1 in each format.

 

[Vikram1989]

Yah, it's harder to get 1 if you are not playing all matches. You start losing 1% for each missed match. Don't play 5 random ODI, with 800 base points, you lose 40 points. Next game you start at 760.

Given how many tests, ODIs and T20 Bumrah has missed I am very surprised to see him get to rank 1 in each format.

I think top 1 rank should be good indicator to separate legends like marshal,Warne. But we can consider up to top 3 in another format if they are 1 in other two formats.Mcgrath was man handled by symonds in an 2008 ipl game as mcgrath was blindly bowling on off stump corridor in a t20.Symonds was backing away and hitting him through the off side.mcgrath did not had answers then.now the same symo job can be done by any one or infact better.I mean to say u have to evolve a lot now in limited formats .Mcgrath odi skills will be put under thorough test now.it can go both ways on spicy or batting wickets.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I think top 1 rank should be good indicator to separate legends like marshal,Warne. But we can consider up to top 3 in another format if they are 1 in other two formats.Mcgrath was man handled by symonds in an 2008 ipl game as mcgrath was blindly bowling on off stump corridor in a t20.Symonds was backing away and hitting him through the off side.mcgrath did not had answers then.now the same symo job can be done by any one or infact better.I mean to say u have to evolve a lot now in limited formats .Mcgrath odi skills will be put under thorough test now.it can go both ways on spicy or batting wickets.

Actually Hazlewood is a better all format bowler than Cummins and Starc as he could adapt better

 

[Vikram1989]

Actually Hazlewood is a better all format bowler than Cummins and Starc as he could adapt better

Starc with his pace can be real handful against ftbs like head as he showed in last ipl.cummins should be the last if we consider all 3 formats.

 

[Buffet]

Actually Hazlewood is a better all format bowler than Cummins and Starc as he could adapt better

It reflects in their worst ranking across formats.

Worst ranking for,

Hazlewood is 2,
Starc is 5
Cummins is 13

 

[jnaveen1980]

It reflects in their worst ranking across formats.

Worst ranking for,

Hazlewood is 2,
Starc is 5
Cummins is 13

yes. Correct. In the world T20 When Roht made 92 in 47 balls he saw off Hazlewood as he was naggingly accurate went after Cummins and Starc.

 

[Buffet]

I think top 1 rank should be good indicator to separate legends like marshal,Warne. But we can consider up to top 3 in another format if they are 1 in other two formats.Mcgrath was man handled by symonds in an 2008 ipl game as mcgrath was blindly bowling on off stump corridor in a t20.Symonds was backing away and hitting him through the off side.mcgrath did not had answers then.now the same symo job can be done by any one or infact better.I mean to say u have to evolve a lot now in limited formats .Mcgrath odi skills will be put under thorough test now.it can go both ways on spicy or batting wickets.

McGrath may have evolved as well if he grew up playing T20. McGrath was retired by then and he did not grew up playing T20. Anyway, I will not count it as negative but also I won't assume that he would have done very well in T20. Bowler mainly relying on 4/5th stump line are easier to line up in T20. Anyway, different era. McGrath was best of his era across formats. Bumrah is the best of his era era across formats.

I would say , the best 3 format player has been Bumrah. I can't think of a batsman who will be his equivalent across three formats.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Bumrah currently is the best one. No doubt about that.
Bumrah is on next level when it comes to be the best

 

[Vikram1989]

I can't think of a batsman who will be his equivalent across three formats.

I think it will be Jaiswal after 2 years.He should have a successful tour of sena in test matches. Brook is another contender but he have to prove himself in Ashes and he was atrocious against spin.

 

[mominsaigol]

He's obviously the best all format bowlers ever.

All bowlers who i rank > him never got to play t20 or retired when they were at the end of their careers when t20 was starting and they had 0 experience in said format.

 

[Hitman]

He's obviously the best all format bowlers ever.

All bowlers who i rank > him never got to play t20 or retired when they were at the end of their careers when t20 was starting and they had 0 experience in said format.

Doesn't matter much since it's been around 17 odd years that T20 has been taken seriously both by cricketers and fans. Anyways, T20 cricket matters zilch! Test cricket reigns supreme where legacies are made, and ODI cricket merely enhances that legacy.​

 

[mominsaigol]

Doesn't matter much since it's been around 17 odd years that T20 has been taken seriously both by cricketers and fans. Anyways, T20 cricket matters zilch! Test cricket reigns supreme where legacies are made, and ODI cricket merely enhances that legacy.​

In 17 odd years not many quality pacers have been produced.

Don't get me wrong they've been good, Cummins, starc etc.

But not as good.

 

[Devadwal]

Indians hyping Bumrah to the moon makes sense. India is a joke when it comes to fast bowling legacy.

Prior to Bumrah, their best ever pacers (Zaheer, Srinath etc.) were not good enough to carry drinks and towels for all the time D XI.

Bumrah is the one and only pacer in Indian cricket history who is comparable to world class pacers from other countries so it perfectly normal if Indian fans, in light of their embarrassing legacy as a fast bowling nation, are unable to contain their excitement and are getting overboard.

For the rest of the countries, apart from 1-2, they have produced better pacers than Bumrah and will produce better pacers than Bumrah in the future.

Bumrah is better than any Pakistani bowlers so digest this facts and sleep peacefully.

 

[Hitman]

In 17 odd years not many quality pacers have been produced.

Don't get me wrong they've been good, Cummins, starc etc.

But not as good.

Yea, my point is most of the fast bowlers since 1970 whom we adore and regard highly didn't play the T20 format, and that disqualifies them from competing against Bumrah in the all format greatest argument. T20 should never be taken into account while rating a fast bowler. That is exactly why the all format argument should not be taken into argument, it doesn't make sense. Similarly if you talk about the best all format batsman, it would automatically disqualify guys like Bradman, Hobbs, Tendulkar, Sobers, G. Pollock, G. Chappell, Lara, Ponting and the likes.​

 

[BouncerGuy]

Jasprit Bumrah Consults New Zealand Surgeon. Report Says Champions Trophy 2025 Participation Subject To...

There has been a lot of conversation around Indian cricket team star fast bowler Jasprit Bumrah's fitness ahead of the Champions Trophy 2025. Bumrah was suffering from back spasms that prevented him from bowling during the final Test match against Australia in Sydney. The fast bowler looked in a spot of bother during the match and was rushed to the hospital for scans. According to a report in the Hindustan Times, Bumrah has consulted New Zealand-based orthopedic surgeon, Dr. Rowan Schouten, about the injury. "The surgeon is in touch with BCCI's medical team and the selectors are expected to be informed."

The report further claimed that Bumrah is likely to be named in the 15-member squad for the upcoming Champions Trophy but he will only play if he is "pain-free after returning to bowling".

Meanwhile, former Indian cricketer Mohammad Kaif has expressed his reservations about Jasprit Bumrah succeeding Rohit Sharma as India's Test captain.

Kaif emphasised that appointing Bumrah as skipper could overburden the pacer, affecting both his fitness and longevity. Instead, he advocated for a batter, such as KL Rahul or Rishabh Pant, to take up the leadership mantle, ensuring stability and performance continuity.

Speculation around India's Test captaincy has intensified following Rohit Sharma's absence from the Sydney Test during the recently concluded Border-Gavaskar Trophy. Reports suggest that Rohit might step away from Test captaincy altogether, opening the door for potential successors. Jasprit Bumrah, who briefly captained India in the Perth and Sydney Tests, has emerged as a candidate for the role, but Kaif firmly believes this would be a misstep.

“The BCCI should think twice before appointing Jasprit Bumrah as the full-time captain,” Kaif posted on X.

“He needs to focus solely on taking wickets and staying fit. Added leadership responsibilities and getting carried away in the heat of the moment can lead to injuries and potentially shorten an outstanding career. Don't kill the golden goose.”

NDTV

 

[mominsaigol]

Jasprit Bumrah Consults New Zealand Surgeon. Report Says Champions Trophy 2025 Participation Subject To...

There has been a lot of conversation around Indian cricket team star fast bowler Jasprit Bumrah's fitness ahead of the Champions Trophy 2025. Bumrah was suffering from back spasms that prevented him from bowling during the final Test match against Australia in Sydney. The fast bowler looked in a spot of bother during the match and was rushed to the hospital for scans. According to a report in the Hindustan Times, Bumrah has consulted New Zealand-based orthopedic surgeon, Dr. Rowan Schouten, about the injury. "The surgeon is in touch with BCCI's medical team and the selectors are expected to be informed."

The report further claimed that Bumrah is likely to be named in the 15-member squad for the upcoming Champions Trophy but he will only play if he is "pain-free after returning to bowling".

Meanwhile, former Indian cricketer Mohammad Kaif has expressed his reservations about Jasprit Bumrah succeeding Rohit Sharma as India's Test captain.

Kaif emphasised that appointing Bumrah as skipper could overburden the pacer, affecting both his fitness and longevity. Instead, he advocated for a batter, such as KL Rahul or Rishabh Pant, to take up the leadership mantle, ensuring stability and performance continuity.

Speculation around India's Test captaincy has intensified following Rohit Sharma's absence from the Sydney Test during the recently concluded Border-Gavaskar Trophy. Reports suggest that Rohit might step away from Test captaincy altogether, opening the door for potential successors. Jasprit Bumrah, who briefly captained India in the Perth and Sydney Tests, has emerged as a candidate for the role, but Kaif firmly believes this would be a misstep.

“The BCCI should think twice before appointing Jasprit Bumrah as the full-time captain,” Kaif posted on X.

“He needs to focus solely on taking wickets and staying fit. Added leadership responsibilities and getting carried away in the heat of the moment can lead to injuries and potentially shorten an outstanding career. Don't kill the golden goose.”

NDTV

If bumrah gets injured then India should do themselves a favour and quit ct and give it to sri lanka.

No point having an odi side that'll play it's matches in uae when they'll ve eliminated in the group stages.

They are in for a rude awakening if they think 2023 wc team will achieve dominance as this time the players are more out of form followed by the fact that bcci ain't controlling the pitches, balls or any other influence over the event.

 

[Mamoon]

Bumrah is better than any Pakistani bowlers so digest this facts and sleep peacefully.

Wasim Akram’s 1992 final performance is bigger than Bumrah’s entire ODI career.

Bumrah has won nothing for India in ODIs. In fact, he has won more ODI trophies for Pakistan than he has for India.

We Pakistanis love Bumrah and sleep peacefully at night, knowing that Bumrah gifted us an ODI trophy in 2017.

Unless and until Bumrah wins an ODI World Cup, he cannot be compared to Wasim.

India over-celebrated the T20 World Cup so that they could cover up the humiliation of the 2023 World Cup but too bad, it didn’t work.

 

[Mamoon]

If bumrah gets injured then India should do themselves a favour and quit ct and give it to sri lanka.

No point having an odi side that'll play it's matches in uae when they'll ve eliminated in the group stages.

They are in for a rude awakening if they think 2023 wc team will achieve dominance as this time the players are more out of form followed by the fact that bcci ain't controlling the pitches, balls or any other influence over the event.

Bumrah has won nothing for India in ODIs and was nothing special in the last World Cup either, comfortably outclassed by Shami.

I don’t think him missing out would be a big problem for India and would hamper their chances significantly. India’s first priority should be to get Shami fit and get Jaiswal into the XI ahead of Gill.

 

[mominsaigol]

Bumrah has won nothing for India in ODIs and was nothing special in the last World Cup either, comfortably outclassed by Shami.

I don’t think him missing out would be a big problem for India and would hamper their chances significantly. India’s first priority should be to get Shami fit and get Jaiswal into the XI ahead of Gill.

I disagree since he's a quality bowler. Not having bumrah will be taxing on india's mentality which isn't high as is since their a bunch of choke jobs.

Not having both shami and bumrah will be a bigger nail in the coffin

 

[psyoptica]

Australian legends ,english legends ,african legends giving statements about bumrah being greatest ever opposition batsman saying he’s toughest and here pakistanis becoming neutral Haha

Typical indian response lacking any intelligence or substance. Continue worshipping Bumrah and hyping him as the greatest ever if that helps you sleep at night.

 

[mominsaigol]

Typical indian response lacking any intelligence or substance. Continue worshipping Bumrah and hyping him as the greatest ever if that helps you sleep at night.

Golu Momin is not impersonating me very well

 

[uppercut]

Indians hyping Bumrah to the moon makes sense. India is a joke when it comes to fast bowling legacy.

Prior to Bumrah, their best ever pacers (Zaheer, Srinath etc.) were not good enough to carry drinks and towels for all the time D XI.

Bumrah is the one and only pacer in Indian cricket history who is comparable to world class pacers from other countries so it perfectly normal if Indian fans, in light of their embarrassing legacy as a fast bowling nation, are unable to contain their excitement and are getting overboard.

For the rest of the countries, apart from 1-2, they have produced better pacers than Bumrah and will produce better pacers than Bumrah in the future.

I suppose we won more wordcups more CT's more Tests in Aus more Test maces more anything in cricket than the Phassht bowling phactory of circket a.k.a Pakistan just because the opposition rolled over ( that too without any ball tampering, chucking, shady umpires you name it lol ) ?


Gotta pity the avg braggadocio bound Pakistani cricket fan who has been brought up on fairy tales of Phassht balling "legacy" ... when the rude reality is that your entire cricket is practically sponsored by the evil dushman mulk. Must be very humiliating and it tells in the kind of childish posts such as the one that I have quoted.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I am sure Wasim would have atleast 1 man of series in Nz he used to bully them...

He has mots in Australia, New Zealand, Sri Lanka , Asian Test Championship and England

 

[Mamoon]

I suppose we won more wordcups more CT's more Tests in Aus more Test maces more anything in cricket than the Phassht bowling phactory of circket a.k.a Pakistan just because the opposition rolled over ( that too without any ball tampering, chucking, shady umpires you name it lol ) ?


Gotta pity the avg braggadocio bound Pakistani cricket fan who has been brought up on fairy tales of Phassht balling "legacy" ... when the rude reality is that your entire cricket is practically sponsored by the evil dushman mulk. Must be very humiliating and it tells in the kind of childish posts such as the one that I have quoted.

Cool story, but none of the incoherent word salad above negates what I wrote in the post that you quoted. Nevertheless, I’m not surprised that I touched a nerve.

It is a bitter reality that India’s fast bowling legacy is nothing short of embarrassing.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

He is miles ahead of all bowlers who have played all three formats.

 

[Ted123]

Bumrah can’t be considered better than Wasim until he picks 404 wickets at average under 23.

He is also behind Waqar as he doesn’t have 362 wickets at avg under 23.

 

[kron]

Bumrah can’t be considered better than Wasim until he picks 404 wickets at average under 23.

He is also behind Waqar as he doesn’t have 362 wickets at avg under 23.

Yea you are right. Cause he is already better.

Anderson has 70000 wickets. Doesn't mean squat. He is no where near wasim.

Longevity alone doesn't mean anything if you don't have impact , wins away from home / at home and fear factor.

45 matches is plenty. Just another 20 to 25 more to go. That's all he needs. Imran too only played 75 games or so. And that too towards the tail end of his career he played as a pure batsman.

 

[Ted123]

Yea you are right. Cause he is already better.

Anderson has 70000 wickets. Doesn't mean squat. He is no where near wasim.

Longevity alone doesn't mean anything if you don't have impact , wins away from home / at home and fear factor.

45 matches is plenty. Just another 20 to 25 more to go. That's all he needs. Imran too only played 75 games or so. And that too towards the tail end of his career he played as a pure batsman.

No.

Anderson has 700 wickets but his average was 27. Wasim averages 23 so he is better. 23 vs 27 is a major difference.

McGrath has 575 test wickets and averages 21 and he is rightly better bowler than Wasim.

There is no reason why Bumrah shouldn’t be picking 400 wickets, is there any reason where he doesn’t have any influence?

 

[Buffet]

No.

Anderson has 700 wickets but his average was 27. Wasim averages 23 so he is better. 23 vs 27 is a major difference.

If you are comparing relative stats for gap in output of bowlers,

Wasim : 400 wickets: Avg 23.6 - SR 54
Anderson: 700 wickets: Avg 26.4 - SR 56
Bumrah : 200 wickets: Avg 19.4 - SR 42

With your logic, the gap in quality between Bumrah and Wasim is greater than the gap between Wasim and Anderson. I think this over all stats can hide minnow bashing or cashing against poor teams. We should look at performance against top 4-5 sides. Wasim home and away avg is in 26-28 range.

Difference in quality can be seen here,

Bumrah against the top side of his era(Aus, SA, Eng and NZ) : Avg 21.2 & 45
Wasim against all sides including the bottom tier + minnows : Avg 23.6 & SR 56

Bumrah output against the top sides of his era >> Wasim's output against all sides including minnows and bottom tier teams.

Bumrah is an elite test bowler, Wasim falls short of that level. That's why his output was far behind against good teams compared to McGrath/Ambrose etc. Nah, it was not due to pitches in Paksitan. Gap was very wide for away against good teams.

We are comparing different quality when talking about Wasim and Anderson. Wasim is a better bowler than Anderosn despite difference in volume. Same holds true for Bumrah and Wasim. All three great bowlers but in different tiers.

 

[uppercut]

It is a bitter reality that India’s fast bowling legacy is nothing short of embarrassing.

if by legacy you mean how to do ball tampering then yeah you will be the undisputed winner and pioneer in that fine "art". No arguments there and you win!

But here is the really funny part ... the top-notch ball tampering skills still did not help you win a world cup before India nor a test series In Eng, NZ, Aus, SL or even the WI (LOL) or even a T20 Worldcup before India and of course NEVER won a single ODI WC match EVER against the Dushman mulk. Your phassshth bowling legends have been trying to do that for 30+ years and 8 worldcups and in that process got spanked in Every corner of the world by the dushman mulk.

Then ofcourse there is the legendary streak of losing every single Test match in Aus for 25 years and not to forget the recent ownage from the ex-pakistani team a.k.a BD AT HOME is some "fast bowling legacy" indeed.
​

 

[Mamoon]

if by legacy you mean how to do ball tampering then yeah you will be the undisputed winner and pioneer in that fine "art". No arguments there and you win!

But here is the really funny part ... the top-notch ball tampering skills still did not help you win a world cup before India nor a test series In Eng, NZ, Aus, SL or even the WI (LOL) or even a T20 Worldcup before India and of course NEVER won a single ODI WC match EVER against the Dushman mulk. Your phassshth bowling legends have been trying to do that for 30+ years and 8 worldcups and in that process got spanked in Every corner of the world by the dushman mulk.

Then ofcourse there is the legendary streak of losing every single Test match in Aus for 25 years and not to forget the recent ownage from the ex-pakistani team a.k.a BD AT HOME is some "fast bowling legacy" indeed.
​

Once again, and for the final time, none of these narrations change the fact that prior to Bumrah, the best Indian fast bowlers of all time wouldn’t even sit on the bench of the all time D XI.

That is the Indian fast bowling legacy and it is nothing short of embarrassing. You can’t make it better by focusing on Pakistan’s shortcomings.

 

[uppercut]

That is the Indian fast bowling legacy and it is nothing short of embarrassing. You can’t make it better by focusing on Pakistan’s shortcomings.

Now that you understand that there is no Phashth bowling legacy of your own team ... the prudent thing to do would be to wait( a la mauka mauka style) till there is actually something to crow about. In the meanwhile you can follow in the footsteps of your fellow troll ghaadu_shot and claim that you are actually a Aussie supporter ... now thats what I call a quick fix ... if you cant beat them just join them ​

 

[Mamoon]

Now that you understand that there is no Phashth bowling legacy of your own team ... the prudent thing to do would be to wait( a la mauka mauka style) till there is actually something to crow about. In the meanwhile you can follow in the footsteps of your fellow troll ghaadu_shot and claim that you are actually a Aussie supporter ... now thats what I call a quick fix ... if you cant beat them just join them ​

Yes, Imran Khan and Wasim Akram have no legacy. Do you mind taking an IQ test? I bet you don’t cross the 20 threshold and I’m being generous.

 

[uppercut]

Once again, and for the final time, none of these narrations change the fact that prior to Bumrah, the best Indian fast bowlers of all time wouldn’t even sit on the bench of the all time D XI.

They do ... because you cannot win Test Series in Eng, Aus, NZ, WI or even Win a WC without wicket taking fast bowlers.

 

[uppercut]

Yes, Imran Khan and Wasim Akram have no legacy. Do you mind taking an IQ test? I bet you don’t cross the 20 threshold and I’m being generous.

See my post again ... how many series wins in Aus. The ANSWER Is a BIG FAT ZERO! How about a single ODI WC win against the dushman mulk. Same answer: Fat ZERO ! Do you want me to go on .... ? lol

 

[Ted123]

If you are comparing relative stats for gap in output of bowlers,

Wasim : 400 wickets: Avg 23.6 - SR 54
Anderson: 700 wickets: Avg 26.4 - SR 56
Bumrah : 200 wickets: Avg 19.4 - SR 42

With your logic, the gap in quality between Bumrah and Wasim is greater than the gap between Wasim and Anderson. I think this over all stats can hide minnow bashing or cashing against poor teams. We should look at performance against top 4-5 sides. Wasim home and away avg is in 26-28 range.

Difference in quality can be seen here,

Bumrah against the top side of his era(Aus, SA, Eng and NZ) : Avg 21.2 & 45
Wasim against all sides including the bottom tier + minnows : Avg 23.6 & SR 56

Bumrah output against the top sides of his era >> Wasim's output against all sides including minnows and bottom tier teams.

Bumrah is an elite test bowler, Wasim falls short of that level. That's why his output was far behind against good teams compared to McGrath/Ambrose etc. Nah, it was not due to pitches in Paksitan. Gap was very wide for away against good teams.

We are comparing different quality when talking about Wasim and Anderson. Wasim is a better bowler than Anderosn despite difference in volume. Same holds true for Bumrah and Wasim. All three great bowlers but in different tiers.

That comparison is not fair because you are comparing a sample of 160 wickets vs 404 wickets.

Bumrah with his action brings a downside that he cannot run all the day and bowl long spells like other top seamers in the world do. In the pre-2000s era, bowlers would have to bowl for 2 days, matches went for 5 days. You think Bumrah would manage to survive in that era with the same output as he has done in this era?

Put Bumrah in a weak Indian side where he would have to bowl long spells at home also and not miss home games, he probably would have gone Shane Bond, Ryan Harris, Shoaib Akhtar, Ian Bishop way. It’s a big disadvantage when comparing with true ATG bowlers who have gone on to pick 800+ international wickets.

 

[Mamoon]

See my post again ... how many series wins in Aus. The ANSWER Is a BIG FAT ZERO! How about a single ODI WC win against the dushman mulk. Same answer: Fat ZERO ! Do you want me to go on .... ? lol

Yes, too bad I forgot to read the document where it was written that winning a series in Australia and winning a World Cup match vs India is mandatory to have a legacy. Can you please share the link to the document for everyone’s knowledge?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Win the actual world cup = no legacy

Winning a random match v India is how you get a legacy.

For Pakistani bowlers winning in Australia is how you get a legacy.

Indian batsmen can lose forever but become gods.

What logic these Indians come up with.

 

[Mamoon]

Win the actual world cup = no legacy

Winning a random match v India is how you get a legacy.

For Pakistani bowlers winning in Australia is how you get a legacy.

Indian batsmen can lose forever but become gods.

What logic these Indians come up with.

I’m still waiting for the document.

 

[Buffet]

That comparison is not fair because you are comparing a sample of 160 wickets vs 404 wickets.

Where do you see sample of 160 wickets? Are you even reading the posts?

 

[Buffet]

Pakistan has a far better legacy for pacers. You need to have a bunch of great bowlers averaging below 25 to have legacy.

Pakistan, WI, SA, Aus all have better legacy of pacers.

Winning first or second has nothing to do with legacy of fast bowlers.

 

[Buffet]

Also, winning ODI is on mainly batsmen.

In tests, see who was winning away and how much before Bumrah came.



Pakistan's W/L away was higher. In Asia, India could win lots of tests due to spinners. Outside Asia, it had to be mostly pacers.


Before Bumrah came, see W/L outside Asia,





If it was not legacy of pacers from Pakistan, Pakistan wouldn't have won more than India when playing outside Asia despite having weaker batting line ups.

Pakistan has a great legacy of pacers. Winning first or second does not change it. Bumrah alone won't make it a better legacy even if he is number 1. Hadlee is top 3 test pacers in history and no one will say that NZ is among top 3 in pacer's legacy.

 

[jnaveen1980]

If you are comparing relative stats for gap in output of bowlers,

Wasim : 400 wickets: Avg 23.6 - SR 54
Anderson: 700 wickets: Avg 26.4 - SR 56
Bumrah : 200 wickets: Avg 19.4 - SR 42

With your logic, the gap in quality between Bumrah and Wasim is greater than the gap between Wasim and Anderson. I think this over all stats can hide minnow bashing or cashing against poor teams. We should look at performance against top 4-5 sides. Wasim home and away avg is in 26-28 range.

Difference in quality can be seen here,

Bumrah against the top side of his era(Aus, SA, Eng and NZ) : Avg 21.2 & 45
Wasim against all sides including the bottom tier + minnows : Avg 23.6 & SR 56

Bumrah output against the top sides of his era >> Wasim's output against all sides including minnows and bottom tier teams.

Bumrah is an elite test bowler, Wasim falls short of that level. That's why his output was far behind against good teams compared to McGrath/Ambrose etc. Nah, it was not due to pitches in Paksitan. Gap was very wide for away against good teams.

We are comparing different quality when talking about Wasim and Anderson. Wasim is a better bowler than Anderosn despite difference in volume. Same holds true for Bumrah and Wasim. All three great bowlers but in different tiers.

Akram touched average of 19.41 in his career once. Only once in his entire career. That was after his second test. After that at no point his average went below 20. Bumrah has touched under 20 5 times.

Another thing is strike rate. For akram SR went below 50 only once in his career out of 181 innings. That was after 2nd test. Bumrah's strike has touched under 50 , staggering 35 times in 86 innings. That is some high impact stuff. For Marshal 50 times in 151 innings.

Number of times bowlers touching the strike rate below 50.

Akram 1/181
Marshall 50/151
Bumrah 35/86
Ambrose 0/179
Mcgrath 0/243

Not included South Africa because the excessive juice in their pitches which allowed them to roll over teams quickly. Mnay SOuth africans have outstanding strike rates. The numbers look skewed because of that.

 

[amax]

Akram touched average of 19.41 in his career once. Only once in his entire career. That was after his second test. After that at no point his average went below 20. Bumrah has touched under 20 5 times.

Another thing is strike rate. For akram SR went below 50 only once in his career out of 181 innings. That was after 2nd test. Bumrah's strike has touched under 50 , staggering 35 times in 86 innings. That is some high impact stuff. For Marshal 50 times in 151 innings.

Number of times bowlers touching the strike rate below 50.

Akram 1/181
Marshall 50/151
Bumrah 35/86
Ambrose 0/179
Mcgrath 0/243

Not included South Africa because the excessive juice in their pitches which allowed them to roll over teams quickly. Mnay SOuth africans have outstanding strike rates. The numbers look skewed because of that.

Interesting stat ,Can you also find these numbers for waqar and Imran? Thanks

 

[jnaveen1980]

Interesting stat ,Can you also find these numbers for waqar and Imran? Thanks

Imran strike rate never went below 50 0/142
average never went below 0/142

Waqar staggering 148/154 times strike rate under 50.
23/154 times average went below 20.

Hadlee 0/150 innings strike rate never went below 50
average 0/150 innings avge never below 20.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Imran strike rate never went below 50 0/142
average never went below 0/142

Waqar staggering 148/154 times strike rate under 50.
23/154 times average went below 20.

Hadlee 0/150 innings strike rate never went below 50
average 0/150 innings avge never below 20.

What is the significance of SR under 50?

 

[jnaveen1980]

What is the significance of SR under 50?

It is an arbitrary cut off because vast majority have strike rate over 50. Not many have strike rate less than 50

200 wickets + under 50 strike rate among pacers. This is the complete list.

 

[uppercut]

Yes, too bad I forgot to read the document where it was written that winning a series in Australia and winning a World Cup match vs India is mandatory to have a legacy. Can you please share the link to the document for everyone’s knowledge?

There is an even more basic requirement for forming a legacy which is that all sporting achievements be made without violating any rules and ethics. So Indulging in ball tampering, match fixing etc makes any discussion about legacy a non-starter.

But like I said even if we ignore the legalities and Ethics aspect of it you still have to deal with the uncomfortable fact that none of your Cricketers achieved anything noteworthy despite cheating ... certainly not before India who you are claiming have no fast bowling legacy. Everything from winning WC to Away Test series in multiple countries we have done it way before your phasth ballers could achieve those. So what are you even flexing about here ? Forget Test cricket your supposedly world beating Phashth ballers have not even won a ODI WC match against your arch rival. LoL

As for the document... well its called the MCC Cricket rules where It says that a team needs to bowl out the opposition twice for lesser Runs than your team in order to win a Test match. Something your great phasth ballers have failed to do in every Single test Match against the top side Australia for 25 yrs and counting. And why Australia you ask ? Well they are the Top cricketing team by far and therefore players will be measured based on their achievements against them.Thats
cricket 101.

So you should be the last person to flex on the topic about legacy. You don't even understand what legacy is

 

[Ted123]

Where do you see sample of 160 wickets? Are you even reading the posts?

You literally posted the same point. Bumrah vs top teams > Wasim vs all teams. Did you checked the sample of test wickets you are comparing?

By your logic, if someone has 5000 runs vs top teams at avg of 54, he would be better than Tendulkar whose entire career avg is 53. Doesn’t matter whatever be his runs tally.

 

[Ted123]

Once again, and for the final time, none of these narrations change the fact that prior to Bumrah, the best Indian fast bowlers of all time wouldn’t even sit on the bench of the all time D XI.

That is the Indian fast bowling legacy and it is nothing short of embarrassing. You can’t make it better by focusing on Pakistan’s shortcomings.

Kapil will make it to D team as all rounder though.

 

[Golu-momin]

Typical indian response lacking any intelligence or substance. Continue worshipping Bumrah and hyping him as the greatest ever if that helps you sleep at night.

We are having sound sleep but it seems you are having nightmares of bumrah being greatest ever bolwer. Typical pakistani full of hatered just tgey can’t digest that greatest fast bowler is indian. Its quite amusing they become neutral just to undermine bumrah. See something more for you

 

[Buffet]

You literally posted the same point. Bumrah vs top teams > Wasim vs all teams. Did you checked the sample of test wickets you are comparing?

Oh got it. You were referring to wickets against top countries. Off course volume against top sides will be far less than volume including bottom tier and minnows. My bad. Apologies I did not pick that up.

To not have that issue, a better comparison will be to limit comparison to top countries for both, that way volume won't be too different. You can see over all and away in tests involving top 5 based on W/L. Same sample size for both. There is no difference between number of wickets against top sides.


Bumrah has the same longevity as Wasim against top sides of his era.

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Bumrah in tests involving top 5 sides away in his era: 145 wickets - Avg 20.3 - SR 44
Wasim in tests involving top 5 sides away in his era: 105 wickets - Avg 26.9 - SR 61


Bumrah in tests involving top 5 sides of his era : 171 wickets - Avg 21.2 - SR 45
Wasim in tests involving top 5 sides of his era: 187 wickets - Avg 24.7 - SR 55

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Wasim averaging 26.9 away with SR of 61 is not due to era being hard. McGrath/Ambrose bowled at the same time. Donald also had better outputs away. Away was at equal footing where we don't need to worry about flat Pakistani pitches.

Bumrah is averaging 9-12 against WI/SL/BD etc. Him bringing his career average down by picking lots of wickets against bottom team or minnows won't make him greater depite wickets tally looking great. If you are waiting for Bumrah to pick up cheap wickets against bottom tier/minnows like SL/WI/BD/Zim etc before rating him then it's a different issue. I don't think that does anything for any bowler. That's just stats padding and not very meaningful for stature of players.