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[PICTURES/VIDEOS] Quinton de Kock - South Africa's legendary white-ball batter

Joint fastest fifty of the ICC T20 World Cup 2024 Tournament by QDK against England in today's super 8 encounter.
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Played two match winning innings so far in the super 8 round. If he can help SAF lift the trophy that would be immense!
 
A far better wicket-keeper batsman than Dhoni in all formats of the game but as I said in another cricket, cricket legacies are all about narratives.

He doesn’t have nearly 2 billion people behind his back which means no biopics and no 50 million followers on Instagram.

He plays for a country that has less people than most Indian states.

I would personally rate him on par with Gilchrist if not higher. Australia won’t be any weaker if they had him instead of Gilchrist from 1999 and 2007, and South Africa wouldn’t have been any stronger with Gilchrist instead of De Kock from 2013 to date.
 
Mamoon said:
A far better wicket-keeper batsman than Dhoni in all formats of the game but as I said in another cricket, cricket legacies are all about narratives.

He doesn’t have nearly 2 billion people behind his back which means no biopics and no 50 million followers on Instagram.

He plays for a country that has less people than most Indian states.

I would personally rate him on par with Gilchrist if not higher. Australia won’t be any weaker if they had him instead of Gilchrist from 1999 and 2007, and South Africa wouldn’t have been any stronger with Gilchrist instead of De Kock from 2013 to date.
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Far better in no world, dhoni was a better odi player than him. Dhoni is an odi atg while no one would call de kock that.

And dhoni was motm in a wc final, de kock a serial choker who can never perform in a knockout match even if his life depended on it.

Both are mediocre test players
 
Statpadder Inc said:
Far better in no world, dhoni was a better odi player than him. Dhoni is an odi atg while no one would call de kock that.

And dhoni was motm in a wc final, de kock a serial choker who can never perform in a knockout match even if his life depended on it.

Both are mediocre test players
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Dhoni is considered an ODI ATG because he has the weight of 2 billion people behind him which De Kock does not, and Dhoni’s career has coincided with India’s rise as a cricket superpower not only in terms of financial muscle but also in terms of the narratives and perceptions that are propagated.

If De Kock played for India his stature would have been 10x higher and Dhoni would have been forced out of the white ball team 3-4 years earlier than 2019.

As an individual contributor, Dhoni was nothing special. An outstanding white ball captain, but nothing more than a decent player at an individual level.

His “ATG” status clearly flatters his abilities as a player. Dhoni has always been throughly average in Tests and T20Is and in ODIs, he greatly benefit by playing for a strong top order.

His best period in ODIs came when he was promoted to number 3 after failing down the order and he belted some 150+ scores on dead wickets vs average Pakistani and Sri Lankan attacks.

We would have seen how great a finisher he was if he was batting below Shehzad, Hafeez, Umar Akmal, Misbah etc. and not Tendulkar, Gambhir, Kohli, Sehwag, Yuvraj, Raina etc.

His 2011 World Cup final innings that cemented his legacy and led to a biopic is easily the most overrated and over-glamorized innings of all time.

It is not even amongst the top 10 best knocks by Indian batsmen in ODIs. That match was won by Gambhir and also his partnership with Kohli.

Had Dhoni walked in at 3 or 4 in that innings, he wouldn’t have lasted 20 balls with his technique. I can think of a dozen other players who would have done exactly what Dhoni did in that game.

You replace Dhoni with DK from 2009 to 2019 and absolutely nothing changes for the Indian team. I’m talking about individual contribution only, not his influence on the team as a leader which was obviously huge and he deserves all the credit for it.

However, Dhoni was not a great cricket by any means let alone an ATG. A great white ball captain for sure.

De Kock, Sangakkara and Buttler are/were all better WK batsmen than him. Pant is better than him as well but obviously he needs to play a lot more.

Dhoni is perhaps the biggest beneficiary of India’s rise as the superpower of cricket.
 
Mamoon said:
A far better wicket-keeper batsman than Dhoni in all formats of the game but as I said in another cricket, cricket legacies are all about narratives.

He doesn’t have nearly 2 billion people behind his back which means no biopics and no 50 million followers on Instagram.

He plays for a country that has less people than most Indian states.

I would personally rate him on par with Gilchrist if not higher. Australia won’t be any weaker if they had him instead of Gilchrist from 1999 and 2007, and South Africa wouldn’t have been any stronger with Gilchrist instead of De Kock from 2013 to date.
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Imo, De kock is a tad bit below Dhoni and Gilchrist.

De kock was always considered good but it wasn't until 2023 wc where he hit 4 centuries in a single cup that he was considered on par with gilchrist.

It's only at the end of his odi career where he lit the world on 🔥 .

In t20 he's a better batsmen then Dhoni and Gilly no question. Warner in prime is > De kock in t20.
 
mominsaigol said:
Imo, De kock is a tad bit below Dhoni and Gilchrist.

De kock was always considered good but it wasn't until 2023 wc where he hit 4 centuries in a single cup that he was considered on par with gilchrist.

It's only at the end of his odi career where he lit the world on 🔥 .

In t20 he's a better batsmen then Dhoni and Gilly no question. Warner in prime is > De kock in t20.
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Would take Warner over De Kock in both all formats.

For me, Sehwag & Gilchrist are the two biggest underachievers in ODI cricket. In spite of having really good careers, they didn't do justice to their abilities.

Both should have had 25+ ODI centuries considering the fact that ODI wickets have been mostly flat since early 2000s and in Gilchrist's case, he was also playing for the strongest team with the strongest bowling unit.
 
Mamoon said:
Would take Warner over De Kock in both all formats.

For me, Sehwag & Gilchrist are the two biggest underachievers in ODI cricket. In spite of having really good careers, they didn't do justice to their abilities.

Both should have had 25+ ODI centuries considering the fact that ODI wickets have been mostly flat since early 2000s and in Gilchrist's case, he was also playing for the strongest team with the strongest bowling unit.
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Yeah gilly kinda underachieved a bit. As the saying goes, Gilly was the one who did it first but Warner was the one who did it better
 
Mamoon said:
Dhoni is considered an ODI ATG because he has the weight of 2 billion people behind him which De Kock does not, and Dhoni’s career has coincided with India’s rise as a cricket superpower not only in terms of financial muscle but also in terms of the narratives and perceptions that are propagated.

If De Kock played for India his stature would have been 10x higher and Dhoni would have been forced out of the white ball team 3-4 years earlier than 2019.

As an individual contributor, Dhoni was nothing special. An outstanding white ball captain, but nothing more than a decent player at an individual level.

His “ATG” status clearly flatters his abilities as a player. Dhoni has always been throughly average in Tests and T20Is and in ODIs, he greatly benefit by playing for a strong top order.

His best period in ODIs came when he was promoted to number 3 after failing down the order and he belted some 150+ scores on dead wickets vs average Pakistani and Sri Lankan attacks.

We would have seen how great a finisher he was if he was batting below Shehzad, Hafeez, Umar Akmal, Misbah etc. and not Tendulkar, Gambhir, Kohli, Sehwag, Yuvraj, Raina etc.

His 2011 World Cup final innings that cemented his legacy and led to a biopic is easily the most overrated and over-glamorized innings of all time.

It is not even amongst the top 10 best knocks by Indian batsmen in ODIs. That match was won by Gambhir and also his partnership with Kohli.

Had Dhoni walked in at 3 or 4 in that innings, he wouldn’t have lasted 20 balls with his technique. I can think of a dozen other players who would have done exactly what Dhoni did in that game.

You replace Dhoni with DK from 2009 to 2019 and absolutely nothing changes for the Indian team. I’m talking about individual contribution only, not his influence on the team as a leader which was obviously huge and he deserves all the credit for it.

However, Dhoni was not a great cricket by any means let alone an ATG. A great white ball captain for sure.

De Kock, Sangakkara and Buttler are/were all better WK batsmen than him. Pant is better than him as well but obviously he needs to play a lot more.

Dhoni is perhaps the biggest beneficiary of India’s rise as the superpower of cricket.
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Yes, the keeper batsman with an average of 50+ is not an odi atg and just an average player.

De kock played for a strong saffer team in 2014&15 and still choked in knockouts, they guy is perennial choker who always bottles it when it matters the most.

Dk is an absolutely mediocre player, nothing more than an Ipl bully. Has failed internationally whenever given a chance but yes he
Mamoon said:
Dhoni is considered an ODI ATG because he has the weight of 2 billion people behind him which De Kock does not, and Dhoni’s career has coincided with India’s rise as a cricket superpower not only in terms of financial muscle but also in terms of the narratives and perceptions that are propagated.

If De Kock played for India his stature would have been 10x higher and Dhoni would have been forced out of the white ball team 3-4 years earlier than 2019.

As an individual contributor, Dhoni was nothing special. An outstanding white ball captain, but nothing more than a decent player at an individual level.

His “ATG” status clearly flatters his abilities as a player. Dhoni has always been throughly average in Tests and T20Is and in ODIs, he greatly benefit by playing for a strong top order.

His best period in ODIs came when he was promoted to number 3 after failing down the order and he belted some 150+ scores on dead wickets vs average Pakistani and Sri Lankan attacks.

We would have seen how great a finisher he was if he was batting below Shehzad, Hafeez, Umar Akmal, Misbah etc. and not Tendulkar, Gambhir, Kohli, Sehwag, Yuvraj, Raina etc.

His 2011 World Cup final innings that cemented his legacy and led to a biopic is easily the most overrated and over-glamorized innings of all time.

It is not even amongst the top 10 best knocks by Indian batsmen in ODIs. That match was won by Gambhir and also his partnership with Kohli.

Had Dhoni walked in at 3 or 4 in that innings, he wouldn’t have lasted 20 balls with his technique. I can think of a dozen other players who would have done exactly what Dhoni did in that game.

You replace Dhoni with DK from 2009 to 2019 and absolutely nothing changes for the Indian team. I’m talking about individual contribution only, not his influence on the team as a leader which was obviously huge and he deserves all the credit for it.

However, Dhoni was not a great cricket by any means let alone an ATG. A great white ball captain for sure.

De Kock, Sangakkara and Buttler are/were all better WK batsmen than him. Pant is better than him as well but obviously he needs to play a lot more.

Dhoni is perhaps the biggest beneficiary of India’s rise as the superpower of cricket.
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Mamoon said:
Dhoni is considered an ODI ATG because he has the weight of 2 billion people behind him which De Kock does not, and Dhoni’s career has coincided with India’s rise as a cricket superpower not only in terms of financial muscle but also in terms of the narratives and perceptions that are propagated.

If De Kock played for India his stature would have been 10x higher and Dhoni would have been forced out of the white ball team 3-4 years earlier than 2019.

As an individual contributor, Dhoni was nothing special. An outstanding white ball captain, but nothing more than a decent player at an individual level.

His “ATG” status clearly flatters his abilities as a player. Dhoni has always been throughly average in Tests and T20Is and in ODIs, he greatly benefit by playing for a strong top order.

His best period in ODIs came when he was promoted to number 3 after failing down the order and he belted some 150+ scores on dead wickets vs average Pakistani and Sri Lankan attacks.

We would have seen how great a finisher he was if he was batting below Shehzad, Hafeez, Umar Akmal, Misbah etc. and not Tendulkar, Gambhir, Kohli, Sehwag, Yuvraj, Raina etc.

His 2011 World Cup final innings that cemented his legacy and led to a biopic is easily the most overrated and over-glamorized innings of all time.

It is not even amongst the top 10 best knocks by Indian batsmen in ODIs. That match was won by Gambhir and also his partnership with Kohli.

Had Dhoni walked in at 3 or 4 in that innings, he wouldn’t have lasted 20 balls with his technique. I can think of a dozen other players who would have done exactly what Dhoni did in that game.

You replace Dhoni with DK from 2009 to 2019 and absolutely nothing changes for the Indian team. I’m talking about individual contribution only, not his influence on the team as a leader which was obviously huge and he deserves all the credit for it.

However, Dhoni was not a great cricket by any means let alone an ATG. A great white ball captain for sure.

De Kock, Sangakkara and Buttler are/were all better WK batsmen than him. Pant is better than him as well but obviously he needs to play a lot more.

Dhoni is perhaps the biggest beneficiary of India’s rise as the superpower of cricket.
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Lol this is such a surprisingly poor post from an excellent poster.

Dhoni who scored 10k+ runs @50+ avg is just an average batsman and a perennial international failure like DK who rightfully got booted out because of Dhoni would have done the same, ya right.

You can downplay his final innings all you want, but he scored more runs in 1 final than sachin and kohli did in 2.

Sanga is massively overrated in odis, not even the best lankan odi batter of his era and just not as good as Dhoni, sorry.

De kock is a bonafide choker, failed in every single knockout. Also got to play in the easiest era of batting.

Most odi pitches around the world and especially in Asia are flat, that criticism could be used against multiple odi atgs
 
Statpadder Inc said:
Yes, the keeper batsman with an average of 50+ is not an odi atg and just an average player.

De kock played for a strong saffer team in 2014&15 and still choked in knockouts, they guy is perennial choker who always bottles it when it matters the most.

Dk is an absolutely mediocre player, nothing more than an Ipl bully. Has failed internationally whenever given a chance but yes he



Lol this is such a surprisingly poor post from an excellent poster.

Dhoni who scored 10k+ runs @50+ avg is just an average batsman and a perennial international failure like DK who rightfully got booted out because of Dhoni would have done the same, ya right.

You can downplay his final innings all you want, but he scored more runs in 1 final than sachin and kohli did in 2.

Sanga is massively overrated in odis, not even the best lankan odi batter of his era and just not as good as Dhoni, sorry.

De kock is a bonafide choker, failed in every single knockout. Also got to play in the easiest era of batting.

Most odi pitches around the world and especially in Asia are flat, that criticism could be used against multiple odi atgs
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Dhoni is as much of an ODI "ATG" as Jayawardene was a Test "ATG" with his 50+ average and 10k+ Test runs.

But Jayawardene was nothing more than a good/decent Test batsman and Dhoni was nothing more than a good/decent ODI batsman. His legacy, his reputation and the romanticism is far greater than his actual skills. He is by far the most overhyped individual contributor in Indian cricket history.

Tendulkar, Kohli and Rohit are ODI ATGs. Ganguly is also an ODI great but below them, and Yuvraj and Dhawan are also better ODI players than Dhoni.

Dhoni has 0 ODI hundreds outside Asia. ATG ODI batsmen don't have 0 hundreds outside their home continents. It is also not a case of him running out of overs because of his batting position. He has made plenty of opportunities but his poor technique and funny way of batting got in the way of him and success.
 
Quinton de kock tore it up with the seocnd highest powerplay strike rate in ICC T20 World Cup 2024:

Travis Head: 161.61
Quinton de kock: 158.42
David Warner: 154.05
Phil Salt: 148.68
 
All on the shoulders of QDK , he needs to step up for the sake of legacy to protect the pride he needs to do what the greats like Amla Kallis didnot
 
Poor dismissal when the field was literally changed for that shot. Experienced players should have better situational awareness.
 
QDK joins the elite list of SA legends who failed to win a WC

Smith
Kirsten
Kallis
Amla
ABDV
Miller
QDK
Klusener
Pollock
Steyn
Donald
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QDK tried to play an anchor role and stay until the end, but he couldn't resist those leg-side short balls. He should have played more maturely and stayed around.
 
Quinton de Kock’s numbers in CPL 2024

Innings: 5
Runs: 308
Average: 77
Strike-rate: 174.01
50s/100s: 1/1
 
301 - International Matches
12,654 - International Runs
28 - International Centuries
594 - Most Runs by a Wicketkeeper in an ODI Tournament
102 - Most T20I Dismissals in Career
84 - Most T20I Catches in Career

Fastest South African:

To 1,000 ODI Runs
To a T20I Fifty (15 Balls)

2x IPL Champion (2019, 2020)

Happy 32nd birthday to the sensational Quinton de Kock!
 
Happy bday Quinty. He’s been a great servant to Southern Afrikaan.
 
Mops the floor with Dhoni, but unfortunately he doesn’t have a fan base of billions and a fantasy biopic to run his propaganda.
 
Mamoon said:
Mops the floor with Dhoni, but unfortunately he doesn’t have a fan base of billions and a fantasy biopic to run his propaganda.
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Fully agree, in modern wicket keeping bats I would put Quinny over Dhoni easily especially in big game pressure matches and ICC tournaments.
 
One of the all time greats in his role, hoping to see more of him in international cricket in years to come. He still has so much to give to the Proteas.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
He is an ATG in ODIs, third best wicketkeeper batsman behind Gilchrist and Dhoni. I rate him higher than Sanga in ODIs.
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A modern era ODI player averaging 45 is ATG? On what basis? Poor performance in 2015 and 2019 WCs and failed in all WC knockouts. Only performed in 1 WC, 2023 but failed in semis.

I will take Warner above him. You can compare him with Dhawan too and Dhawan might outshine due to ICC tournament performances. Also, Buttler should be rated higher too. Equal calibre player but performed in WC Finals 2019.
 
Ab Fan said:
A modern era ODI player averaging 45 is ATG? On what basis? Poor performance in 2015 and 2019 WCs and failed in all WC knockouts. Only performed in 1 WC, 2023 but failed in semis.

I will take Warner above him. You can compare him with Dhawan too and Dhawan might outshine due to ICC tournament performances. Also, Buttler should be rated higher too. Equal calibre player but performed in WC Finals 2019.
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Warner > QDK 100% agreed.

Butler > QDK is an even worse opinion then Vvs laxman > Kohli > YK in test cricket or

Ashwin being = to Pollock 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.

How do you come up with such gems.
 
mominsaigol said:
Warner > QDK 100% agreed.

Butler > QDK is an even worse opinion then Vvs laxman > Kohli > YK in test cricket or

Ashwin being = to Pollock 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.

How do you come up with such gems.
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kindly stick to the thread rather than bringing legends like VVS, Kohli, Ashwin and Pollock in discussion. This thread is about Qdk. :inti
 
mominsaigol said:
Vvs and ashwin are legends but QDK isn't 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Qdk is most certainly not a legend by any means. He is a good player but neither has great stats nor icc trophies to his name. For years, he failed in all ICC tournaments and finally performed in one, 2023 World Cup but failed in semi finals there.

He is a good player but as a opener in ODIs, Rohit and Warner both are better.
 
Ted123 said:
Qdk is most certainly not a legend by any means. He is a good player but neither has great stats nor icc trophies to his name. For years, he failed in all ICC tournaments and finally performed in one, 2023 World Cup but failed in semi finals there.

He is a good player but as a opener in ODIs, Rohit and Warner both are better.
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He is a choker. Didn't do justice to his potential. Got out at wrong time in 2015 semi final and 2024 final. Also missed a simple run out in 2015 semi final. He completely bottled. Also failed in 2019 semi final
 
Ted123 said:
Qdk is most certainly not a legend by any means. He is a good player but neither has great stats nor icc trophies to his name. For years, he failed in all ICC tournaments and finally performed in one, 2023 World Cup but failed in semi finals there.

He is a good player but as a opener in ODIs, Rohit and Warner both are better.
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No one denies that Warner and Rohit are worse then QDK, they are obviously better, however not winning an icc event isn't thr fault of a player.

It's a team game and if the team let's you down not much you can do. A player can't perform.in every match or every event. Ponting didn't dominate every game as a batsmen either. Infact 2011 wc was won without Sachin's help excluding the semi final.

He won vs Pakistan but the 2 matches he did perform and scored a century in resulted in a tie and loss for India and the final was won off the backs of bowling + Yuvi and Dhoni. But does that mean that Sachin is a crap player?

De villers never won a wc event either.

Anyway the poster @Ab Fan believes the following

1) Ashwin = Pollock in terms of test status which is a hilarious argument as Ashwin is a goat test bowler in Asian conditons but no where close to Warne or Murli while Pollock at peak was compared to Mcgrath even due to ER. Mchrath is better obviously but Pollock status is clearly >.

2) Laxman > Kohli > YK as a test cricketer, which is another hilarious take.

Ignoring Pakistani bias aside, YK has steller records across every country excluding SA. And hes his 50 avg vs aus comes pist mcgrath but name one test batter who didn't struggle vs mcgrath? Even Sachin and dravid have crap records against him.

To top it off he ended up with a 50+ avg, 10K test runs and 34 test centuries in his career

Kohli on the other hand has been hovering at 20+ avg for 6 years now, has an avg of 46 and after his 55 avg purple patch, it's clear he's a gone case in test since he's fighting life and limb for 10K test runs something he should have achieved 4 to 5 years ago.

As for Laxman, Laxman is good in test but he's overrated due to eden gardens and aussie bias. The dude avg 45-46 in every country except India where he avg 51. Laxman himself considered himself as the weakest link in india's test side as Sehwag, Sachin, Dravid, Ganguly etc were obviously better then him.

His record is avg, and at best you can claim that he's the best test cricketer to never avg 50, that's one argument you can make for him. But he isn't > any test cricketer avg 50 or above except for Kane Williamson who's a bit of a fraud in test cricket.

So yes I need to educate @Ab Fan

Now as for QDK

QDK is the best keeper from SA all time and the only keeper batter who is definitely > him is Gilchrist.

Sanga and Dhoni are debatable and I won't get into that but their not many keepers in odi cricket > him. Putting butler > Qdk is absolutely hilarious. The guy avg 53 and 56 in odi against India and Eng and this includes playing against both sides during their 2017-2019 run. His sr against them in 96 and 103 as well.

He was only poor against India once Bumrah returned and became the bowler that he is, because before Bumrah's return in 2023, bumrah was only a quality test bowler but okayish in odi and t20. After returning he bbecame An atg in every format.

Otherwise qdk has bullied prime shami, Bhuvi, Kuldeep, Yuvi, ishant sharma, Jofra archer(prime), adil rashid, Jadeja(in odi), and many other bowlers, some top tier and some avg tier.

He has a record against NZ as well avg 40 with a very high sr and the bowlers included southee, Boult, Henry etc etc all in prime and Pretty much the same unit that gave Prime 2019 England, 2019 India and Even 2015 Aus trouble.

Then 4 centuries in a single world cup should cement his status as an ODI legend.

If he isn't an odi great, then I honestly do not know what is.

I don't get the point of comparing him to David Warner and Rohit sharma? 2 odi ATG's in their own right.

You're literally comparing him to the successor of Sehwag and the successor of Gilchrist lol
 
Using the argument that people failed in certain occ events and calling them bad batsmen is such a fraudulent way of looking at things.

Then what about Sachin? He fell for a duck in the final in 2003? And in 2007 he couldn't save India from their grim fate either? And on 2011 excluding Pakistan all games he scored a century in resulted in India either losing or draw?

But that doesn't discredit Sachin smacking Pakistani veterans in 2003, being the first odi batsmen to ever scored 200, being the top scorer of 2003 and 2007 wc etc etc.

All matches where qdk scored a century in occ wc 2023, South Africa won.

He isn't suppose to perform in every game.

If QDK is a failure of an odi batsmen then accept that Sachin is one too. Don't be hypocritical.

Sachin is top 3 greatest odi batsmen of all time and while qdk is top 3 greatest wicket keeping batsmen of all time in odi.
 
mominsaigol said:
No one denies that Warner and Rohit are worse then QDK, they are obviously better, however not winning an icc event isn't thr fault of a player.

It's a team game and if the team let's you down not much you can do. A player can't perform.in every match or every event. Ponting didn't dominate every game as a batsmen either. Infact 2011 wc was won without Sachin's help excluding the semi final.

He won vs Pakistan but the 2 matches he did perform and scored a century in resulted in a tie and loss for India and the final was won off the backs of bowling + Yuvi and Dhoni. But does that mean that Sachin is a crap player?

De villers never won a wc event either.

Anyway the poster @Ab Fan believes the following

1) Ashwin = Pollock in terms of test status which is a hilarious argument as Ashwin is a goat test bowler in Asian conditons but no where close to Warne or Murli while Pollock at peak was compared to Mcgrath even due to ER. Mchrath is better obviously but Pollock status is clearly >.

2) Laxman > Kohli > YK as a test cricketer, which is another hilarious take.

Ignoring Pakistani bias aside, YK has steller records across every country excluding SA. And hes his 50 avg vs aus comes pist mcgrath but name one test batter who didn't struggle vs mcgrath? Even Sachin and dravid have crap records against him.

To top it off he ended up with a 50+ avg, 10K test runs and 34 test centuries in his career

Kohli on the other hand has been hovering at 20+ avg for 6 years now, has an avg of 46 and after his 55 avg purple patch, it's clear he's a gone case in test since he's fighting life and limb for 10K test runs something he should have achieved 4 to 5 years ago.

As for Laxman, Laxman is good in test but he's overrated due to eden gardens and aussie bias. The dude avg 45-46 in every country except India where he avg 51. Laxman himself considered himself as the weakest link in india's test side as Sehwag, Sachin, Dravid, Ganguly etc were obviously better then him.

His record is avg, and at best you can claim that he's the best test cricketer to never avg 50, that's one argument you can make for him. But he isn't > any test cricketer avg 50 or above except for Kane Williamson who's a bit of a fraud in test cricket.

So yes I need to educate @Ab Fan

Now as for QDK

QDK is the best keeper from SA all time and the only keeper batter who is definitely > him is Gilchrist.

Sanga and Dhoni are debatable and I won't get into that but their not many keepers in odi cricket > him. Putting butler > Qdk is absolutely hilarious. The guy avg 53 and 56 in odi against India and Eng and this includes playing against both sides during their 2017-2019 run. His sr against them in 96 and 103 as well.

He was only poor against India once Bumrah returned and became the bowler that he is, because before Bumrah's return in 2023, bumrah was only a quality test bowler but okayish in odi and t20. After returning he bbecame An atg in every format.

Otherwise qdk has bullied prime shami, Bhuvi, Kuldeep, Yuvi, ishant sharma, Jofra archer(prime), adil rashid, Jadeja(in odi), and many other bowlers, some top tier and some avg tier.

He has a record against NZ as well avg 40 with a very high sr and the bowlers included southee, Boult, Henry etc etc all in prime and Pretty much the same unit that gave Prime 2019 England, 2019 India and Even 2015 Aus trouble.

Then 4 centuries in a single world cup should cement his status as an ODI legend.

If he isn't an odi great, then I honestly do not know what is.

I don't get the point of comparing him to David Warner and Rohit sharma? 2 odi ATG's in their own right.

You're literally comparing him to the successor of Sehwag and the successor of Gilchrist lol
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I am not expecting him to win the World Cup for his team but my expectation is consistent performance in ODIs World Cups. He failed in all the ODI WCs before 2023 WC one and hasn’t performed in any of the knockouts.

Tendulkar has performed and won his team in World Cup knockouts and dominated multiple World Cups.

ABD performed in 2015 WC and the knockout(semi). Someone like Ponting or Gilchrist is rated very high because they performed in World Cup Finals.

Qdk hasn’t done that and his career avg is also 45, which is low for the era he played in. Kallis played in a different era and averaged 44 in ODIs. ABD averaged 53 at 100 SR. Faf averages 45-46 too.

When you don’t qualify among top two openers of your own era, you can’t be a great. Good player but not great because he didn’t dominated enough across all World Cups. Only performed in one out of three.

Buttler and Qdk are playing in different positions so different roles. But actually Buttler did performed when mattered in 2019 WC Final and his overall career SR of 120 alongwith average of 40 shouldn’t be taken lightly. Different players but definitely comparable. He was excellent till 2021. Qdk’s failure in 2015 and 2019 WC can’t be ignored.
 
Ted123 said:
I am not expecting him to win the World Cup for his team but my expectation is consistent performance in ODIs World Cups. He failed in all the ODI WCs before 2023 WC one and hasn’t performed in any of the knockouts.

Tendulkar has performed and won his team in World Cup knockouts and dominated multiple World Cups.

ABD performed in 2015 WC and the knockout(semi). Someone like Ponting or Gilchrist is rated very high because they performed in World Cup Finals.

Qdk hasn’t done that and his career avg is also 45, which is low for the era he played in. Kallis played in a different era and averaged 44 in ODIs. ABD averaged 53 at 100 SR. Faf averages 45-46 too.

When you don’t qualify among top two openers of your own era, you can’t be a great. Good player but not great because he didn’t dominated enough across all World Cups. Only performed in one out of three.

Buttler and Qdk are playing in different positions so different roles. But actually Buttler did performed when mattered in 2019 WC Final and his overall career SR of 120 alongwith average of 40 shouldn’t be taken lightly. Different players but definitely comparable. He was excellent till 2021. Qdk’s failure in 2015 and 2019 WC can’t be ignored.
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How many knockouts did South Africa play though during QDK's time? They played 2015 SF and 2023 SF? That's only 2 knockouts? So 2 game sample size?

Now as for World cups, why are we filtering out 2023? He performed did he not? And then in 2019 his performance isn't that bad. 38 avg 86 SR and 3 half centuries while not great, isn't a failure by any means.

He only truly failed in 2015 WC but he was 2 years into his career at the time. If anything he got better and better each passing World Cup.

As for Avg, Warner avg 45 lol.

When you don’t qualify among top two openers of your own era, you can’t be a great

What kind of Metric is this? So out of Hayden, Gilchrist, Sachin, Sehwag, Jaysuria, and many others we can only consider 2 out of these as Greats and the rest as Average?
 
Qdk is a good player but not a great one. The era he played in, he should average close to 50 or strike at 105-110 to be considered a great player. Since he doesn’t strike at 105-110, he should average 50 which he doesn’t.

Warner has done great in World Cups and hence is deservingly a better player than Qdk in LOIs. Buttler vs Qdk is debatable because those who watched cricket pre-2020 know how good Buttler was. :inti
 
Dravid is > YK in test. Sachin is > YK in test. Laxman and Kohli? Hell no. Kohli was only > YK during his 2014-2019 golden run but as soon as he turned 30 years of age, he avg 20 around 27 to 29 year by year. 27 centuries in 6 years followed by 3 centuries with a 20+ avg in the following 6 years.

That's the biggest decline I've ever seen, how is kohli > YK in test cricket when India themsleves have produced a solid 8 to 10 test batters > Kohli 🤣.

And Pollock + Ashwin + James anderson in the same tier 😭😭.

I can understand Anderson and Ashwin being in the same tier. How is Pollock in the same tier as them when people literally viewed his bowling prime = mcgrath? And even his non bowling prime is still way way way > the likes of Anderson as a bowler.

Not to mention he's a solid lower order allrounder. A much better no 8 then pat Cummins?

And now we have QDK being avg 😭😭, when he's literally amoung the best odi wk batters alongside gilly, Dhoni, Sanga 🤣.

Butler is not > Qdk as a wicket keeping batsmen. That's a hilarious take. Butler is an amazing keeper but come on 😭😭.
 
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Qdk is a good player but not a great one. The era he played in, he should average close to 50 or strike at 105-110 to be considered a great player. Since he doesn’t strike at 105-110, he should average 50 which he doesn’t.

Warner has done great in World Cups and hence is deservingly a better player than Qdk in LOIs. Buttler vs Qdk is debatable because those who watched cricket pre-2020 know how good Buttler was. :inti
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Avg close to 50 and sr of 105-110 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.

Not even virat Kohli meets that metric 😭😭😭. Kohli is top 5 best odi batters of all time and even he's hovering at a 92SR.

So according to you every batsmen is avg post 2012 new ball era 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
 
mominsaigol said:
Avg close to 50 and sr of 105-110 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.

Not even virat Kohli meets that metric 😭😭😭. Kohli is top 5 best odi batters of all time and even he's hovering at a 92SR.

So according to you every batsmen is avg post 2012 new ball era 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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@Ab Fan

And according to your or metric, Babar azam, Joe root, Kane Williamson and Imam ul haq both are better then QDK as an odi batsmen 🤣🤣🤣
 
Dhoni is a PR fraud, it is laughable to put him above De Kock in any format.

Dhoni was a bang average cricketer and a lot of Indian players who play alongside him like Gambhir, Yuvraj and Sehwag etc. know it, imply it but don’t want to openly state it to avoid backlash from his cult fanbase.

I would put De Kock on par with Gilchrist in all formats and ahead of Sangakkara because the latter didn’t keep much in Test cricket.

Gilchrist wouldn’t have done any better than De Kock had he played for SA in the last 10-12 years, and De Kock wouldn’t have done any worse had he played for Australia between 1999 and 2008.

Choking etc. is all relative. For example, Gilchrist played 7-8 semifinals in his career and failed in all of them but his team was good enough to carry him to the final on almost every occasion and allowing him a chance to make amends. De Kock hasn’t had such luxury.

Therefore, I wouldn’t label him a choker and it is a huge disservice to the player that he has been.
 
Mamoon said:
Dhoni is a PR fraud, it is laughable to put him above De Kock in any format.

Dhoni was a bang average cricketer and a lot of Indian players who play alongside him like Gambhir, Yuvraj and Sehwag etc. know it, imply it but don’t want to openly state it to avoid backlash from his cult fanbase.

I would put De Kock on par with Gilchrist in all formats and ahead of Sangakkara because the latter didn’t keep much in Test cricket.

Gilchrist wouldn’t have done any better than De Kock had he played for SA in the last 10-12 years, and De Kock wouldn’t have done any worse had he played for Australia between 1999 and 2008.

Choking etc. is all relative. For example, Gilchrist played 7-8 semifinals in his career and failed in all of them but his team was good enough to carry him to the final on almost every occasion and allowing him a chance to make amends. De Kock hasn’t had such luxury.

Therefore, I wouldn’t label him a choker and it is a huge disservice to the player that he has been.
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QdK on par with Gilchrist?? LOL. Joke of the year. Have you seen Gilchrist bat?? Gilchrist revolutionized tedt cricket batting especially for keepers. And was a great in ODIs as well . Awesome keeper too. QdK is nowhere near Gilchrist.
 
Mamoon said:
Dhoni is a PR fraud, it is laughable to put him above De Kock in any format.

Dhoni was a bang average cricketer and a lot of Indian players who play alongside him like Gambhir, Yuvraj and Sehwag etc. know it, imply it but don’t want to openly state it to avoid backlash from his cult fanbase.

I would put De Kock on par with Gilchrist in all formats and ahead of Sangakkara because the latter didn’t keep much in Test cricket.

Gilchrist wouldn’t have done any better than De Kock had he played for SA in the last 10-12 years, and De Kock wouldn’t have done any worse had he played for Australia between 1999 and 2008.

Choking etc. is all relative. For example, Gilchrist played 7-8 semifinals in his career and failed in all of them but his team was good enough to carry him to the final on almost every occasion and allowing him a chance to make amends. De Kock hasn’t had such luxury.

Therefore, I wouldn’t label him a choker and it is a huge disservice to the player that he has been.
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Qdk is good and > Dhoni but putting him on gilly's level is criminal.

Ignore these hypothetical aside, Gilly is clearly the better test cricketer, the idea of putting qdk = Gilly in test cricket is hilarious.

In odi Qdk never reached Gilly's status. He needed to play more cricket in order to be considered.
 
South Africa wicketkeeper Quinton de Kock is set to rejoin Kolkata Knight Riders' squad in Bengaluru on Thursday, two days ahead of their must-win fixture against Royal Challengers Bengaluru (RCB). There had been some uncertainty surrounding de Kock's return until Tuesday evening. He has since confirmed his availability for the last leg of the tournament that will run from May 17 to June 3.
 
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