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[PICTURES/VIDEOS] Saim Ayub - the real deal or a flash in the pan?

Good to see that he was patient and didnt loose his wicket and good that Rizwan and Management backed him :)
 
Rana said:
You saw Saim too and wrote him off. You will be forced to eat your words too on others. Likh le!
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I'm not judge player's based on just one off the performance .

So after Asif ali the future Pakistan captain , Usman khan is best middle order batsman and Saim is one of the best opener.
 
Devadwal said:
I'm not judge player's based on just one off the performance .

So after Asif ali the future Pakistan captain , Usman khan is best middle order batsman and Saim is one of the best opener.
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Why can I smell smoke from your backside? Jaalan ho rahi hai?
 
Rana said:
Why can I smell smoke from your backside? Jaalan ho rahi hai?
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Why should I feel jealous. I just gave my own opinion and i feel saim is more like a heck who can Play one good innings out of ten . This is not how best opener play.
 
I remember a discussion thread from years ago where people were sharing their first impressions of Saim Ayub. At the time, many dismissed him as not good enough, but I saw things differently. I argued that we needed to support him rather than write him off at such an early stage. It didn’t seem fair to judge him prematurely, and looking back, I’m glad to have stood by that stance.

When Saim returned after scoring heavily in domestic cricket, he had the support of almost all of us, who wanted to see him succeed. A player like him, capable of playing aggressively at a high strike rate, is rare in our domestic setup. Although he struggled as an opener in T20Is, some of us felt he simply needed more time to develop rather than risking losing such talent prematurely. Developing a player in cricket is challenging and demands a nuanced approach, especially for someone with Saim’s talent, who could easily see his struggles shift from technical to mental if not managed well.

Consider how India nurtured Rohit Sharma. Despite a rough start over his first 80 to 90 ODIs, they saw his potential, supported him, and allowed him time to grow within a strong batting lineup. With patience and vision, Rohit eventually blossomed into one of their greats. The BCCI’s long term thinking allowed them to be patient with him. Ideally, Pakistan could do the same with Saim, giving him an extended run across formats, letting him grow without overanalyzing every failure. But this is trickier in Pakistan’s system, where selectors and PCB leadership change frequently, sometimes every few months or yearly.

Another complication is that fans want fairness in selections, ensuring all domestic players get a fair chance before being dropped. Some fans wish for Saim’s success but also worry that his continuous selection might unfairly limit chances for other players. Others fear that if he goes through a prolonged slump, he might be dropped for an extended period, possibly 3 to 5 years, which can happen in Pakistan cricket. A further concern is that Saim might lose his drive to improve if he feels assured of his place despite failures.

In the end, most Pakistani fans agree that Saim has incredible potential. If he’s supported properly, he could become one of the best players in Pakistan across all formats. The key is to balance patience, consistent backing, and a structure that pushes him to keep improving. With the right plan, Saim could truly thrive and deliver on his promise.
 
Rana said:
But but but Sharjeel Khan is a talentless hack 🤡
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He is a fat git...! he could have had a nice little a career if he'd cared more about his runs than prathas and paayay. Everytime he lasted more than a few balls, you could see he had something about him.

When someone says to you, lose weight, get fit and you're in, then why wouldn't you? ... It doesn't really matter if he could still play, despite his physique, but 'you gotta what you do' ... plenty from 240 million population are waiting for the same chance.

He wanted to play for Pak without the hard work, just like Azam Khan now?

I wish he had listened to the inner cricketer other than the inner Paetu Sultan.
 
Muhammad Saad said:
To be honest that question was absurd as well , He is an international cricketer and not some fan boy who got a chance to play some charity match facing Aus bowlers.
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The problem is most Pakistani batsmen would go goo goo ga ga over the opposition like the losers they are. So this actually showed a good aspect of Saim.
 
He has lots of talent but his brain and hunger are open to discussion. If the lad can get a hunger for runs and keep his thinking straight, I see a future captain. He should look at Saeed Anwer rather become another Imran Nazir
 
Bewal Express said:
He has lots of talent but his brain and hunger are open to discussion. If the lad can get a hunger for runs and keep his thinking straight, I see a future captain. He should look at Saeed Anwer rather become another Imran Nazir
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He is not consistent at all... i really admire his inning which he played today but major concern for me is that how many he will further take to play such inning again.
 
Pakistan's former captain, Waqar Younis, while speaking on a local TV channel about Pakistan's ODI series victory over Australia on Australian soil:

"Saim Ayub, who faced a lot of criticism initially, deserves credit for sticking to his style and shots, despite the critiques."

"I hope this trend continues, both in T20 cricket and in the Champions Trophy."
 
Saim Ayub is all set to play the T10 format - he will represent Kandy Bolts in the Lanka T10 Super League 2024
 
How can he play when this Rando league clashes with our South Africa tour
 
its really surprising that why Saim Ayub is not in the T2o squad? he is the one can play positive cricket in power play to give u early momentum.
 
Some of the shots are outrageous unlike Pakistan batsmen those backfoot frontfoot sixes over deep square leg more like WI hitters.

He is not afraid of playing pace unlike many Pakistani openers of the past, Hafeez Taufeeq, Khalid latif, Khurram Manzoor etc etc
 
Cricket Warrior said:
its really surprising that why Saim Ayub is not in the T2o squad? he is the one can play positive cricket in power play to give u early momentum.
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Why are you surprised

Now Babar and Rizwan can make their love for opening in T20 cricket without any interference of homewrecker Saim
 
Rana said:
Why are you surprised

Now Babar and Rizwan can make their love for opening in T20 cricket without any interference of homewrecker Saim
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On the other threads you were praising Aqib Javed and his selection. Wasn’t the selection panel making the calls now? Who selected Babar and Rizwan? Who dropped Saim Ayub?
Common man! You’re losing support faster than Pakistani pacers lose their pace.
 
Think it’s the right decision not to have him in the t20 squad even if t20s is his best format in domestic. He was doing dreadful in t20s, and it must feel daunting when he goes in at the crease every t20 he plays. There’s too much pressure now in t20s. He would have to do ridiculously well to overturn that t20 record now with how many games he’s played.

He’s succeeded now in ODIs and I’d let him continue with that. Once he’s established himself in ODIs you can add him back in t20s with the confidence that he’s done well against international attacks, and that he won’t be dropped completely even if he fails in t20 again as he has ODIs to fall back on.

Usman deserves a run as opener in t20 too, so we have other options we can use instead of Saim.
 
ads101 said:
Think it’s the right decision not to have him in the t20 squad even if t20s is his best format in domestic. He was doing dreadful in t20s, and it must feel daunting when he goes in at the crease every t20 he plays. There’s too much pressure now in t20s. He would have to do ridiculously well to overturn that t20 record now with how many games he’s played.

He’s succeeded now in ODIs and I’d let him continue with that. Once he’s established himself in ODIs you can add him back in t20s with the confidence that he’s done well against international attacks, and that he won’t be dropped completely even if he fails in t20 again as he has ODIs to fall back on.

Usman deserves a run as opener in t20 too, so we have other options we can use instead of Saim.
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One thing I’ve observed with Saim is that he tends to take his time before finding his rhythm at the crease, which can be a disadvantage in the fast-paced nature of T20 internationals where quick scoring is crucial from the start.

His approach seems more suited to formats where he has the luxury of building his innings, like ODIs, where patience and stability are rewarded.

It’s a similar case with Babar Azam, who also takes time to settle in before accelerating. their playing style might be better aligned with the demands of ODI cricket, where they can capitalize on longer innings rather than the aggressive, high-tempo approach required in T20s.
 
Just when he was striking form in ODI's they drop him from T20's
Let' see if he plays tomorrow
 
Let's be honest Saim hit some special shots in the ODIS but he was let off couple of times
 
Saim should have retaind in the T20I squad after such dynamic performance in ODIs.. he actually played ODIs lika a T20 game and now most of the players playing this T20 game like an ODI.
 
Pakistan's Interim White-Ball Head Coach, Aaqib Javed, said while addressing a press conference at Gaddafi Stadium:

"Regarding criticism of players like Saim Ayub, performance is key. The criticism and praise depend on how well the team performs. If we win the series, we’ll be praised; if not, I'll be the first to accept the criticism. As for Sami Ayub, he's progressing well, especially in Test and ODI formats. He has shown good temperament and technique."
 
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Cricket Warrior said:
Saim should have retaind in the T20I squad after such dynamic performance in ODIs.. he actually played ODIs lika a T20 game and now most of the players playing this T20 game like an ODI.
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Saim seems more comfortable in ODIs because T20 cricket hasn’t really worked out for him yet.

He’s done well in ODIs, but T20 is a completely different challenge where you have to be aggressive from the first ball.

The way he takes his time to settle works fine in the longer formats, but in T20s, every ball is crucial.

Even in ODIs, he often takes 20-25 deliveries to get going, and that kind of start just doesn’t suit the fast-paced nature of T20 cricket.

With more experience and time to adjust, he’ll probably find his feet and adapt to the demands of T20 cricket but for now he's ok for odi's
 
T20 batting is more difficult. Odi opening is probably the easiest position in Loi cricket. Not taking away from saim’s achievements but it is best to leave him at a place where he can succeed for now and build up his confidence. He’s so young there is plenty of time for him to play T20s. What we need him to do at this age is make at least one format cemented. Then it’s much easier knowing he’s international quality.
 
ads101 said:
T20 batting is more difficult. Odi opening is probably the easiest position in Loi cricket. Not taking away from saim’s achievements but it is best to leave him at a place where he can succeed for now and build up his confidence. He’s so young there is plenty of time for him to play T20s. What we need him to do at this age is make at least one format cemented. Then it’s much easier knowing he’s international quality.
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Odi batting is not easy. In this day and age you're expected to be the most attacking in the first 10 overs. Not the other way around.

Fakhar was an exception because even though he took time he made up for it and exceeded expectations if he managed to survive the initial 10 overs.

Saim so far seems to be following the fakhar trend but if he wants to go that route he better bat like his predecessor.

Gone are the old days of cricket. It's why I'm still not convinced on saim. I like saim, he seems like a hard working positive and honest young man but I'm not convinced on his abilities as of yet
 
mominsaigol said:
Odi batting is not easy. In this day and age you're expected to be the most attacking in the first 10 overs. Not the other way around.

Fakhar was an exception because even though he took time he made up for it and exceeded expectations if he managed to survive the initial 10 overs.

Saim so far seems to be following the fakhar trend but if he wants to go that route he better bat like his predecessor.

Gone are the old days of cricket. It's why I'm still not convinced on saim. I like saim, he seems like a hard working positive and honest young man but I'm not convinced on his abilities as of yet
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Never said ODI batting is easy. However I think ODI opening is easier than t20 opening or really any position in t20. It’s why our batsmen struggle so much in t20. It’s also why imam has forged out a career as an opener despite not really able to even do well in PSL or even test cricket.

Fakhar excels at the ODI opener position, it doesn’t take away from the fact he has been our best LOI cricketer in recent years. But in ODIs there is time to work yourself in. You don’t have that in t20s. Which is why I think fakhar doesn’t do well in t20s at least top order. He is too scratchy and easily able to get out. Fakhar becomes truly dangerous once he sets in, and there’s way more overs in ODI for us to have that fakhar who can hit blistering centuries there. Saim is going to find ODI opening easier than t20 as is Abdullah.

In t20 you have to be comfortable at the crease early on and able to hit ball one. I think that’s quite tough to be and I don’t think I’d describe a single one of our batsman able to do that, even fakhar who isn’t comfortable at the crease early on. In ODIs you don’t need to be that necessarily which is why I think more of our batsmen do better in ODIs.

What I’m saying is you could have a failed t20 opener who becomes an average but probably not as great (I.e. as good as fakhar) as ODI opener. Which imam is already proof of this, along with Saim and Abdullah to an extent.
 
ads101 said:
Never said ODI batting is easy. However I think ODI opening is easier than t20 opening or really any position in t20. It’s why our batsmen struggle so much in t20. It’s also why imam has forged out a career as an opener despite not really able to even do well in PSL or even test cricket.

Fakhar excels at the ODI opener position, it doesn’t take away from the fact he has been our best LOI cricketer in recent years. But in ODIs there is time to work yourself in. You don’t have that in t20s. Which is why I think fakhar doesn’t do well in t20s at least top order. He is too scratchy and easily able to get out. Fakhar becomes truly dangerous once he sets in, and there’s way more overs in ODI for us to have that fakhar who can hit blistering centuries there. Saim is going to find ODI opening easier than t20 as is Abdullah.

In t20 you have to be comfortable at the crease early on and able to hit ball one. I think that’s quite tough to be and I don’t think I’d describe a single one of our batsman able to do that, even fakhar who isn’t comfortable at the crease early on. In ODIs you don’t need to be that necessarily which is why I think more of our batsmen do better in ODIs.

What I’m saying is you could have a failed t20 opener who becomes an average but probably not as great (I.e. as good as fakhar) as ODI opener. Which imam is already proof of this, along with Saim and Abdullah to an extent.
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Fantastic posts!
I completely agree with your analysis.
I’d add test cricket in there. ODI opening is the easiest place to bat when compared to both T20 and Test cricket, because red ball does more and pitches are generally more supportive. Openers need air tight technique , which is why Imam didn’t do as well in test cricket either.
Also, I’d add that Fakhar is not the “aggressor” or “powerhitter” Pakistanis think he is. He is a moderate batter by international standards, it’s just that his peers like Imam and others are more defensive making Fakhar stand out.
Fakhar is a modern anchor and his strike of 95 rate and average of 47 does justice to that.
To be considered a powerhitter in ODI opening role, your strike rate would be 110+.
 
ads101 said:
Never said ODI batting is easy. However I think ODI opening is easier than t20 opening or really any position in t20. It’s why our batsmen struggle so much in t20. It’s also why imam has forged out a career as an opener despite not really able to even do well in PSL or even test cricket.

Fakhar excels at the ODI opener position, it doesn’t take away from the fact he has been our best LOI cricketer in recent years. But in ODIs there is time to work yourself in. You don’t have that in t20s. Which is why I think fakhar doesn’t do well in t20s at least top order. He is too scratchy and easily able to get out. Fakhar becomes truly dangerous once he sets in, and there’s way more overs in ODI for us to have that fakhar who can hit blistering centuries there. Saim is going to find ODI opening easier than t20 as is Abdullah.

In t20 you have to be comfortable at the crease early on and able to hit ball one. I think that’s quite tough to be and I don’t think I’d describe a single one of our batsman able to do that, even fakhar who isn’t comfortable at the crease early on. In ODIs you don’t need to be that necessarily which is why I think more of our batsmen do better in ODIs.

What I’m saying is you could have a failed t20 opener who becomes an average but probably not as great (I.e. as good as fakhar) as ODI opener. Which imam is already proof of this, along with Saim and Abdullah to an extent.
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Here’s how I’d rank easiest to hardest generally speaking for Pakistani talent:
ODI top order
ODI middle order
T20 Top order
T20 middle order
Test middle order
Test Top order
 
Farabi said:
Here’s how I’d rank easiest to hardest generally speaking for Pakistani talent:
ODI top order
ODI middle order
T20 Top order
T20 middle order
Test middle order
Test Top order
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Yeah I’d agree with this order 👌
 
Farabi said:
Here’s how I’d rank easiest to hardest generally speaking for Pakistani talent:
ODI top order
ODI middle order
T20 Top order
T20 middle order
Test middle order
Test Top order
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I'd swap the t20 top order with the middle order in terms of rankings.

its easier to bat on the top order in t20 compared to middle orders if you keep field restrictions in mind
 
Farabi said:
Here’s how I’d rank easiest to hardest generally speaking for Pakistani talent:
ODI top order
ODI middle order
T20 Top order
T20 middle order
Test middle order
Test Top order
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Test top order is easier then test middle order. We saw that in the England series, the top order batters had it easier them the middle order batters because it was spinning and the old ball was difficult to hit.

At the start of a test game the first 5 overs are no different then the first 10 overs opening in odi, with the exception of tighter field restrictions.

5 overs are good enough to get settled in.

Secondly t20 middle order and odi middle order is easier then t20 top order and odi middle order. The problem with Pakistan is that the top order is so bad they make the life of t20 middle orders an absolute nightmare

The top order has it easy in the sense that field restrictions are easy and the ball is hard and comes onto the bat.

But that comes with the responsibility and added pressure of getting a quick fire start and often times getting dismissed.

The old days of odi are gone qhere the top order was slow and steady and lower order was quick paced.

During the world cup, the likes of rohit, Warner, Travis, Rachin made it super easy for the middle order to come in and accumulate a 50 or 100. That's because the top order had done its job.

Further is you have a world class opener and you come in, You can take your time because the world class opener is set and attacking so ni need to worry about RR.

Only In Pakistan it's the other way around and that's because our t20 openers are Lanats. And if fakhar or saim vets out early, Then both Abdullah and Imam and Babar are lanats.
 
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