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PM Modi's government announces implementation of Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA) [Post Updated #85]

Prime Minister Narendra Modi-led Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) has been accused of encouraging the persecution of Muslims and other minorities by hardline Hindu nationalists since coming to power in 2014.

Muslims comprise nearly 15 per cent of India’s 1.4 billion people, while Hindus still form nearly 80 per cent of the population.

The BJP and its ideological parent, the far-right Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), have warned Hindus about religious conversions to Islam and Christianity, and called for action to prevent a “demographic imbalance” in the world’s second most populous nation, analysts and observers said on Saturday.

They said since India’s independence, Muslims have faced systematic discrimination, prejudice, and violence, despite constitutional protections.

All the special laws, which have been enacted over the years, have become instruments in the hands of police to falsely implicate Muslim youth and keep them behind bars for years without any hearing.

Authorities in India have adopted laws and policies that systematically discriminate against Muslims and stigmatise critics of the government, a report of the Human Rights Watch said.

Prejudices embedded in the government of BJP have infiltrated independent institutions, such as the police and the courts, empowering nationalist groups to threaten, harass, and attack religious minorities with impunity.

“The BJP’s embrace of the Hindu majority at the expense of minorities has seeped into government institutions, undermining equal protection of the law without discrimination,” said Meenakshi Ganguly, South Asia director at Human Rights Watch. “The government has not only failed to protect Muslims and other minorities from attacks but is providing political patronage and cover for bigotry.”

Although the Indian constitution talked about the country’s secular nature, but for all practical purposes it was a Hindu state, said former ambassador Asif Durrani.

He said that the Muslims constituted almost 15 per cent of India’s population, however, their representation in businesses and bureaucracy was less than one per cent and they were being further repressed.

Indian judiciary, with its anti-Muslim verdicts, has become an instrument in the hands of the Narendra Modi government that continues to oppress minorities and deny them justice, the ambassador said.

He said that decisions on religious matters have proved that the institution is openly siding with the Hindutva ideology and has failed the Muslim community. This June, he observed, India’s Supreme Court appeared as the “biggest tormentor of the minorities” after it refused to stop the government from razing houses of Muslims.

The top court said, “We cannot stop demolitions,” in response to a petition by a Muslim group in Uttar Pradesh that had highlighted said that the state was punishing members of the 200-million-strong Muslim minority for participating in protests.

Experts further observed that Muslims in India were not facing such a situation for the first time as the history was replete with incidents of state-sponsored persecution, particularly in Madhya Pradesh, Assam, Delhi and Gujarat.

The Narendra Modi regime was promoting the Hindutva ideology to further suppress the Muslims and other minorities, a retired General Tallat Masood said.

He said that Modi’s suppressive policy vis-a-vis Kashmir had further damaged the interests and future of the Kashmiri people, adding in fact his policies were extremely detrimental for the people of Kashmir and also for Pakistan.

Analyst Ershad Mahmud said the Muslims were leading their lives on the margins in Modi’s India. “They have almost disempowered under his Bharatiya Janata Party’s (BJP) government as the entire state apparatus is being used to crush them. Some international experts believe that the genocide of Muslims is being carried out in India.” He said Modi had adopted a two-pronged approach to deal with domestic politics and the international community separately.

According to Dr Ejaz Hussain, secular Hindus, as well as non-Hindu communities in India, are being coerced, socio-politically and discursively, to either embrace Hindutva values or face exclusion of all sorts, i.e., de-citizenship.

He said as the Modi-led government staunchly believed in making India a singular identity grounded in Hindutva, it had made the disputed territory of IIOJK a part of the Indian union in August 2019.

He said that Pakistan-India relations also further deteriorated owing largely to Hindutva policies pursued by the Modi regime. The RSS, he added, was busy expanding its organisational and ideological apparatuses in south India also.

He said that to counter the Hindutva ideology and re-project India as a secular country, the non-RSS-BJP groups and political parties would have to join ranks and put a united stance on all fronts.

The international community also needed to question the wrongs committed by the Modi regime in the garb of RSS, he added.

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What a horrible country it has become. To think this was once the land which gave the world yoga and meditation.
 
The district magistrates of 31 districts and the home secretaries of nine states have been given powers to grant Indian citizenship to the Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains, Parsis and Christians coming to the country from Afghanistan, Bangladesh, and Pakistan under the Citizenship Act, 1955. According to the annual report of the Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) for 2021-22, from April 1 to December 31, 2021, a total of 1,414 foreigners belonging to these minority communities of Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Afghanistan were given Indian citizenship by registration or naturalisation under the Citizenship Act, 1955.

The move to grant Indian citizenship to the Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains, Parsis and Christians coming to the country from Afghanistan, Bangladesh and Pakistan under the Citizenship Act, 1955 and not under the controversial Citizenship (Amendment) Act, 2019 (CAA) bears significance. The CAA also provides for granting Indian citizenship to these non-Muslims coming from Afghanistan, Bangladesh and Pakistan. However, the rules under the CAA have not been framed by the government yet and hence, no one so far has been granted Indian citizenship under it.

The annual report of the MHA said the Centre delegated its powers to grant Indian citizenship by registration or naturalisation in respect of foreigners belonging to the Hindu, Sikh, Jain, Buddhist, Christian or Parsi communities from Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan to the collectors of 13 more districts and the home secretaries of two more states in 2021-22.

"With this, collectors of 29 districts and home secretaries of nine states have been authorised to grant citizenship in respect of the aforesaid category of migrants," the report said. The district magistrates of Gujarat's Anand and Mehsana were also given similar powers last month.

The nine states where Indian citizenship by registration or naturalisation is given under the Citizenship Act, 1955 to non-Muslim minorities from Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan are Gujarat, Rajasthan, Chhattisgarh, Haryana, Punjab, Madhya Pradesh, Uttar Pradesh, Delhi and Maharashtra.

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Modi Govt Implements CAA, Announces Rules Ahead of Lok Sabha Elections​


The Prime Minister Narendra Modi-led Government on Monday announced the implementation of the Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA). The move came before the Model Code of Conduct (MCC) came into play ahead of the Lok Sabha election in 2024.

“Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) will be notifying today, the Rules under the Citizenship (Amendment) Act, 2019 (CAA-2019). These rules, called the Citizenship (Amendment) Rules, 2024 will enable the persons eligible under CAA-2019 to apply for grant of Indian citizenship,” the Ministry of Home Affairs said in a statement on X.

“The applications will be submitted in a completely online mode for which a web portal has been provided,” it added.

RULES NOTIFIED BEFORE LOK SABHA POLLS​


The CAA was an integral part of the Bharatiya Janata Party’s manifesto for the 2019 Lok Sabha elections. The Act was enacted by the Parliament on December 11, 2019, after the BJP government came into power. The issue has drawn massive protests across India, with some parties calling the legislation divisive.

The government has debunked such narratives and called CAA a “law of the land” that would be implemented.

Speaking at a business summit last month, Union Home Minister Amit Shah said that the CAA rules will be implemented before the Lok Sabha polls.

“Our Muslim brothers are being misled and instigated (against the CAA). The CAA is only meant to give citizenship to those who came to India after facing persecution in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Bangladesh. It is not for snatching anyone’s Indian citizenship,” he had said.

ABOUT CAA​


The notification of the rules is set to pave the way for the migrants from neighbouring countries to find citizenship in India.

The CAA amends the Citizenship Act of 1955 to provide Indian citizenship to migrants from Afghanistan, Bangladesh and Pakistan who belong to Hindu, Sikh, Jain, Parsi, Buddhist, and Christian communities and had entered India on or before December 31, 2014, due to religious persecution in their home countries.

The CAA will help refugees from these neighbouring countries, who don’t have documents.

 
Excellent news. If there is any govt that has got balls of steel, it is the Modi govt.

All the historical wrongs are being corrected one by one -

Article 370 - Gone
Ram Mandir - Done
CAA - implemented

Aisa PM an kabhi aaya hai in history...na kabhi aayega.

Now just implement the UCC and be done with. He can then retire peacefully and handover the party to someome else.

For liberals/congressi's who raise silly objections and talks about constitition, ask them to take that paper and shove it where sun doesn't shine. Or they can chant 'Pakistan Zindabaad' constititionally like they did in Karnataka assembly.
 

Modi Govt Implements CAA, Announces Rules Ahead of Lok Sabha Elections​


The Prime Minister Narendra Modi-led Government on Monday announced the implementation of the Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA). The move came before the Model Code of Conduct (MCC) came into play ahead of the Lok Sabha election in 2024.

“Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) will be notifying today, the Rules under the Citizenship (Amendment) Act, 2019 (CAA-2019). These rules, called the Citizenship (Amendment) Rules, 2024 will enable the persons eligible under CAA-2019 to apply for grant of Indian citizenship,” the Ministry of Home Affairs said in a statement on X.

“The applications will be submitted in a completely online mode for which a web portal has been provided,” it added.

RULES NOTIFIED BEFORE LOK SABHA POLLS​


The CAA was an integral part of the Bharatiya Janata Party’s manifesto for the 2019 Lok Sabha elections. The Act was enacted by the Parliament on December 11, 2019, after the BJP government came into power. The issue has drawn massive protests across India, with some parties calling the legislation divisive.

The government has debunked such narratives and called CAA a “law of the land” that would be implemented.

Speaking at a business summit last month, Union Home Minister Amit Shah said that the CAA rules will be implemented before the Lok Sabha polls.

“Our Muslim brothers are being misled and instigated (against the CAA). The CAA is only meant to give citizenship to those who came to India after facing persecution in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Bangladesh. It is not for snatching anyone’s Indian citizenship,” he had said.

ABOUT CAA​


The notification of the rules is set to pave the way for the migrants from neighbouring countries to find citizenship in India.

The CAA amends the Citizenship Act of 1955 to provide Indian citizenship to migrants from Afghanistan, Bangladesh and Pakistan who belong to Hindu, Sikh, Jain, Parsi, Buddhist, and Christian communities and had entered India on or before December 31, 2014, due to religious persecution in their home countries.

The CAA will help refugees from these neighbouring countries, who don’t have documents.

How many people are escpaing prosecution from Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan and heading to India? LOL
 
Excellent news. If there is any govt that has got balls of steel, it is the Modi govt.

All the historical wrongs are being corrected one by one -

Article 370 - Gone
Ram Mandir - Done
CAA - implemented

Aisa PM an kabhi aaya hai in history...na kabhi aayega.

Now just implement the UCC and be done with. He can then retire peacefully and handover the party to someome else.

For liberals/congressi's who raise silly objections and talks about constitition, ask them to take that paper and shove it where sun doesn't shine. Or they can chant 'Pakistan Zindabaad' constititionally like they did in Karnataka assembly.
What would the UCC entail exactly, and how would it be carried out in practical terms?
 
Excellent news. If there is any govt that has got balls of steel, it is the Modi govt.

All the historical wrongs are being corrected one by one -

Article 370 - Gone
Ram Mandir - Done
CAA - implemented

Aisa PM an kabhi aaya hai in history...na kabhi aayega.

Now just implement the UCC and be done with. He can then retire peacefully and handover the party to someome else.

For liberals/congressi's who raise silly objections and talks about constitition, ask them to take that paper and shove it where sun doesn't shine. Or they can chant 'Pakistan Zindabaad' constititionally like they did in Karnataka assembly.
CAA should help the persecuted minorities of India's neighboring countries, and it may also slow down/stop the illegal Bangladeshi migration in Bengal which is happening under my Mamata ammayi's watch for her own personal benefits such as free votes to keep her corrupt party in charge...
 
How many people are escpaing prosecution from Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan and heading to India? LOL

Probably just a trickle.

This is just a way for Modi to say: "Look! Look! I love Hindus. See what I've done? Vote for me and my ghaas-phoos buddy Amit pwoar!"

Somebody tell him 61% of India hasn't voted for him.
 
Probably just a trickle.

This is just a way for Modi to say: "Look! Look! I love Hindus. See what I've done? Vote for me and my ghaas-phoos buddy Amit pwoar!"

Somebody tell him 61% of India hasn't voted for him.
... and I thought we had problems!
 
CAA should help the persecuted minorities of India's neighboring countries, and it may also slow down/stop the illegal Bangladeshi migration in Bengal which is happening under my Mamata ammayi's watch for her own personal benefits such as free votes to keep her corrupt party in charge...
I would like to see if there are any stats that prove that there is a steady influx of refugees enering india and claiming asylum or whatever.

Also, if I understand correctly this law precludes Muslims? This is meant just for non-Muslims, correct? Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Christians, etc? or is this just meant for Hindus?
 
S0 how come they are still in power?

Because the remaining 61% is fragmented among other parties.

Also, in our democratic system it's FPTP (First Past The Post) - so the party with the most seats wins.
 
Because the remaining 61% is fragmented among other parties.

Also, in our democratic system it's FPTP (First Past The Post) - so the party with the most seats wins.
ok thanks for the description.

I guess so many democracies in the world are flawed. But BJP still has the votes, so I guess they deserve to be in power. Now if all the other ones unite like they do in Pakistan... hahah .. then its a different story but I am sure India has some regulations to prevent something like that.
 
ok thanks for the description.

I guess so many democracies in the world are flawed. But BJP still has the votes, so I guess they deserve to be in power. Now if all the other ones unite like they do in Pakistan... hahah .. then its a different story but I am sure India has some regulations to prevent something like that.
The other parties CAN unite to form govt (if they have the seats). But the ideological difference is such vast that it won't be possible.
 
ok thanks for the description.

I guess so many democracies in the world are flawed. But BJP still has the votes, so I guess they deserve to be in power. Now if all the other ones unite like they do in Pakistan... hahah .. then its a different story but I am sure India has some regulations to prevent something like that.
India has no regulations preventing electoral partnerships between political parties, either before or after elections.
The reason why the anti-BJP crowd can't come together is that they have no common agenda other than BJP-hatred.
 
The other parties CAN unite to form govt (if they have the seats). But the ideological difference is such vast that it won't be possible.
and due respect to them for that as well.

Meanwhile in Pakistan we see a hardcore ultraconservative religious party JUI team up with the so-called left wing liberals PPP and PPP aligning with the more conservative (so called) pml-n just so they could get rid of IK, but all that would not have been possible without the consent of the military.

I would much rather prefer someone who got 39% of the vote.
 
I would like to see if there are any stats that prove that there is a steady influx of refugees enering india and claiming asylum or whatever.

Also, if I understand correctly this law precludes Muslims? This is meant just for non-Muslims, correct? Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Christians, etc? or is this just meant for Hindus?
This law is meant to speed track citizenship for minority refugees. It does not take away anyones citizenship, but fast tracks citizenship for minorities seeking refuge, and only to those who came before 2014.

The anti muslim is a sly spin on a pro minority law, which should be celebrated. Because neither are pakistani muslims lining up for indian citizenship, nor does the law deny them. It only gives preference to minorities. Indian constitution gives preference to minorities in many places.

The govt should have done a better job at naming the law, like minority refugees citizenship bill, but they are too dumb at foreseeing disinformation.
 
and due respect to them for that as well.

Meanwhile in Pakistan we see a hardcore ultraconservative religious party JUI team up with the so-called left wing liberals PPP and PPP aligning with the more conservative (so called) pml-n just so they could get rid of IK, but all that would not have been possible without the consent of the military.

I would much rather prefer someone who got 39% of the vote.
I would much rather have the pakistani system, where Army decides the important matters, and leaves normal housekeeping for political parties, not letting any party grow too big for their pants, and keeping population entertained with elections to make them feel empowered.

You cannot leave important matters of the country at the hands of demagogue and populist politicians.
 
This law is meant to speed track citizenship for minority refugees. It does not take away anyones citizenship, but fast tracks citizenship for minorities seeking refuge, and only to those who came before 2014.

The anti muslim is a sly spin on a pro minority law, which should be celebrated. Because neither are pakistani muslims lining up for indian citizenship, nor does the law deny them. It only gives preference to minorities. Indian constitution gives preference to minorities in many places.

The govt should have done a better job at naming the law, like minority refugees citizenship bill, but they are too dumb at foreseeing disinformation.
Most of the disinformation is being spread by agenda-driven leftist and the 'so-called secular' elements. We all know who they are.
And what's in a name? These sco**els would have spread misinformation anyway. It is cringeworthy how they have twisted this law to allege that it would impact Indian muslims, when no Indian citizen, no matter what religion, is going to be touched by it. It is meant only for refugees.
 
I would much rather have the pakistani system, where Army decides the important matters, and leaves normal housekeeping for political parties, not letting any party grow too big for their pants, and keeping population entertained with elections to make them feel empowered.

You cannot leave important matters of the country at the hands of demagogue and populist politicians.
And be in the same state as Pakistan?
 
Most of the disinformation is being spread by agenda-driven leftist and the 'so-called secular' elements. We all know who they are.
And what's in a name? These sco**els would have spread misinformation anyway. It is cringeworthy how they have twisted this law to allege that it would impact Indian muslims, when no Indian citizen, no matter what religion, is going to be touched by it. It is meant only for refugees.
No one understands the values of names better than commies. They are the most fascists, but even we call them as liberals. Liberals are good people, although a bit too soft. They disagree with others but support others right to have an opinion. Commies and sickulars shame those who vote for anyone else by using words like Bhakt, killing two birds with one stone: mocking hindus' religion, and shaming others right to have a different opinion. They are masters are understanding the power of words. Even we use their vocabulary to describe ourselves instead of using our own.
 
I would like to see if there are any stats that prove that there is a steady influx of refugees enering india and claiming asylum or whatever.

Give it time buddy, the law just got implemented, sheez lol..
Also, if I understand correctly this law precludes Muslims? This is meant just for non-Muslims, correct? Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Christians, etc? or is this just meant for Hindus?

To my knowledge this does not include Muslims, it is Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhist, Christians minorities from the Indian sub continent. Not sure if there are persecuted Muslims in Pakistan, Bangladesh or Afghanistan, even if there are in Bangladesh or Pakistan, they would not be included, the whole point of the partition was so muslims could have their own land, they got it and they can remain there.
 
Give it time buddy, the law just got implemented, sheez lol..


To my knowledge this does not include Muslims, it is Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhist, Christians minorities from the Indian sub continent. Not sure if there are persecuted Muslims in Pakistan, Bangladesh or Afghanistan, even if there are in Bangladesh or Pakistan, they would not be included, the whole point of the partition was so muslims could have their own land, they got it and they can remain there
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I think you missed my point for asking for stats. Because obviously if India is putting an act in place, it means this is a problem. There is a glut of persecuted non Muslims trying to seek refuge in India. That was the point. Personally I think and someone already corroborated my thought, it is a very very small number of people. So this is all not because of a dire need but just for optics (thumbing the nose to Muslims and courting the Hindus voters)
 
Oh trust me India has bigger issues than Pakistan..

As you can see Pakistan has a bright future and India is well in the gutter...
Haha, seemed to have touched a nerve there. Nobody is stealing your roti. We have a lot more serious issues than you guys.
 
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Haha, seemed to have touched a nerve there. Nobody is stealing your roti. We have a lot more serious issues than you guys.
Just some tongue and cheek banter, all good..
 
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Personally I think and someone already corroborated my thought, it is a very very small number of people. So this is all not because of a dire need but just for optics (thumbing the nose to Muslims and courting the Hindus voters)
It could be optics, it could be genuine, I do not know.

However BJP won the last election with majority in parliament before this bill was introduced, they are looking likely to win again with possibly a bigger margin this time. No matter what, BJP is a well oiled machine, they don't need to influence the hindu voters in every way possible.

Leftist seculars of India will keep saying their nonsense however when election results come they leave heart broken, they cant understand that the new reality, that the Italians will not be ruling India in the near future or who knows possibly ever and are in constant denial over this heart break...
 
I would like to see if there are any stats that prove that there is a steady influx of refugees enering india and claiming asylum or whatever.

Also, if I understand correctly this law precludes Muslims? This is meant just for non-Muslims, correct? Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Christians, etc? or is this just meant for Hindus?
This law is for all non-muslim minorities who are persecuted in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Bangladesh. It does not include Shias or Ahmadis though they too are persecuted at times.

The below article (although 11 years old) details their plight after seeking refuge in India where evn after years they are still stateless. This new law helps to hasten the citizenship process for those who entered India before 31/12/2014.


Note that unlike the left liberal conspiracy theories floating around muslims too can apply for asylum/citizenship like Adnan Sami did but it will not be through CAA.
 
It could be optics, it could be genuine, I do not know.

However BJP won the last election with majority in parliament before this bill was introduced, they are looking likely to win again with possibly a bigger margin this time. No matter what, BJP is a well oiled machine, they don't need to influence the hindu voters in every way possible.

Leftist seculars of India will keep saying their nonsense however when election results come they leave heart broken, they cant understand that the new reality, that the Italians will not be ruling India in the near future or who knows possibly ever and are in constant denial over this heart break...
I don’t have any dog in this fight but I have seen immigration problems where I live. Close to the southern US border. All kinds of people streaming in. It sounds to me like Modi is just using this straight out of Trump’s book to make it look like they have an illegal immigration problem (or that a lot of people are dying trying to get in)

It’s just an observation. Modi can become the Kim Jong Un of India for all I care.
 
Good decision…. It will end plight of ppls who not got Indian citizenship for last many years

USA Also have similar provisions under its Law
 
. It sounds to me like Modi is just using this straight out of Trump’s book to make it look like they have an illegal immigration problem (or that a lot of people are dying trying to get in)
India does have an illegal immigration problem. There are illegal migrants coming in from Bangladesh..
 
Probably just a trickle.

This is just a way for Modi to say: "Look! Look! I love Hindus. See what I've done? Vote for me and my ghaas-phoos buddy Amit pwoar!"

Somebody tell him 61% of India hasn't voted for him.
So it shouldn't impact many. So you can be relived.
 
I don't think many in India will have an issue with CAA as it is an inclusive law which talks about giving citizenship to persecuted minorities from neighbouring autocratic countries. I mean the stats and figures suggests that the minorities are being persecuted in their respective countries. So Indian govt giving them citizenship will be looked upon as an humanitarian move and no one (including Indian muslims) should have a problem.

Now, CAA can't happen without NRC and there lies the problem. You can't take more people in in an already overpopulated country without throwing out few. It will impact job, price rise, economy and everything.

So CAA will be an impractical move without NRC. But the govt will tread this line with caution as NRC is about taking citizenship away of some anti nationals :intiand send them back packing to their rightful place where their heart lies. However implementing it will cause another round of protests in the country and something BJP will be reluctant to implement now.

CAA without NRC is impractical and only sounds good for theories & headlines.
 
I don't think many in India will have an issue with CAA as it is an inclusive law which talks about giving citizenship to persecuted minorities from neighbouring autocratic countries. I mean the stats and figures suggests that the minorities are being persecuted in their respective countries. So Indian govt giving them citizenship will be looked upon as an humanitarian move and no one (including Indian muslims) should have a problem.

Now, CAA can't happen without NRC and there lies the problem. You can't take more people in in an already overpopulated country without throwing out few. It will impact job, price rise, economy and everything.

So CAA will be an impractical move without NRC. But the govt will tread this line with caution as NRC is about taking citizenship away of some anti nationals :intiand send them back packing to their rightful place where their heart lies. However implementing it will cause another round of protests in the country and something BJP will be reluctant to implement now.

CAA without NRC is impractical and only sounds good for theories & headlines.
CAA is possible without NRC. NRC will be impossible to implement. We should not mix the two.
 
I don't think many in India will have an issue with CAA as it is an inclusive law which talks about giving citizenship to persecuted minorities from neighbouring autocratic countries. I mean the stats and figures suggests that the minorities are being persecuted in their respective countries. So Indian govt giving them citizenship will be looked upon as an humanitarian move and no one (including Indian muslims) should have a problem.

Now, CAA can't happen without NRC and there lies the problem. You can't take more people in in an already overpopulated country without throwing out few. It will impact job, price rise, economy and everything.

So CAA will be an impractical move without NRC. But the govt will tread this line with caution as NRC is about taking citizenship away of some anti nationals :intiand send them back packing to their rightful place where their heart lies. However implementing it will cause another round of protests in the country and something BJP will be reluctant to implement now.

CAA without NRC is impractical and only sounds good for theories & headlines.
It would be great if the BJP government can throw out as much of the illegal Bangladeshis that my Ammayi Mamata has been illegally allowing into the country...
 
CAA is possible without NRC. NRC will be impossible to implement. We should not mix the two.

Don't you think taking more people, albeit Hindus from other countries, will create population issues in the country and will impact the livelihood of people?
 
The NRC as outlined in the the CAA act is almost an impossible undertaking in an Indian population of 1.5 Billion. For context, we haven't been able to conduct a national census since 2011 which is a much less consequential activity so we don't know our own population with any degree of accuracy.

To go door to door and have a bunch of low-level bureaucrats verify citizenship based on documents when I can't get my local Election card updated after 5 follow-ups is laughable.

I suppose it's being discussed as a political gimmick to appease local in some states who dislike immigrants and scare illegal immigrant populations.
 
Don't you think taking more people, albeit Hindus from other countries, will create population issues in the country and will impact the livelihood of people?
Those people are already in India. CAA is for people who came before 2014. So if they get citizenship, it is not increasing population by 1 bit.

Anyway, the population problem is linked to uniform development. If all states are developed, it will prevent overpopulation of cities by migrant population. India has enough space for its population even if it doubles, IF it creates many more cities. Right now most of the burden falls in a few cities for migrant population looking for jobs. Our fertility rate is good, even muslim fertility rate is getting closer to where it should be.

EDIT: But bangladesh will be a problem. Most of its population is going to end up in India sooner or later.
 
EDIT: But bangladesh will be a problem. Most of its population is going to end up in India sooner or later.
I think Bangladesh will stop being an immigration problem pretty soon. They've seen some solid development in the last few years and their GDP per capita is really close to India's today. A lot of jobs being created and infrastructure being built.

My opinion is that like most illegal immigration problems across the world, this one's pretty blown out of proportion as well.
 
I think Bangladesh will stop being an immigration problem pretty soon. They've seen some solid development in the last few years and their GDP per capita is really close to India's today. A lot of jobs being created and infrastructure being built.

My opinion is that like most illegal immigration problems across the world, this one's pretty blown out of proportion as well.
I am from West Bengal. I can identity an indian bengali from a bangladeshi bengali. You have no idea about the scale of immigration from West Bengal. Mamata who was against it during CPM rule, now actively supports it.
 
I think Bangladesh will stop being an immigration problem pretty soon. They've seen some solid development in the last few years and their GDP per capita is really close to India's today. A lot of jobs being created and infrastructure being built.

My opinion is that like most illegal immigration problems across the world, this one's pretty blown out of proportion as well.

Economically Bangladesh was always better compared to countries like Pakistan or Afghanistan. The reason for so many illegal BD immigrants were nothing to do with economy. The left govt in Bengal previously and now Mamata Banerjee's party bring them in as vote bank politics. It is not me who is saying this, Mamata herself said it in 2005 in the floor of Parliament when left was in power in Bengal and she even threw the book of constitution at speaker's face.

What is the name of the rapist MP in Sandeshkhali? Where is he from?

I am amazed you think it been blown out of proportion.
 
I am from West Bengal. I can identity an indian bengali from a bangladeshi bengali. You have no idea about the scale of immigration from West Bengal. Mamata who was against it during CPM rule, now actively supports it.
Economically Bangladesh was always better compared to countries like Pakistan or Afghanistan. The reason for so many illegal BD immigrants were nothing to do with economy. The left govt in Bengal previously and now Mamata Banerjee's party bring them in as vote bank politics. It is not me who is saying this, Mamata herself said it in 2005 in the floor of Parliament when left was in power in Bengal and she even threw the book of constitution at speaker's face.

What is the name of the rapist MP in Sandeshkhali? Where is he from?

I am amazed you think it been blown out of proportion.
Maybe. I wish we had some numbers. I'm amazed that conditions are so bad in Bangladesh that millions of people are uprooting their lives and coming to live in a foreign country which itself is not a developed nation, has limited opportunities for jobs and no social security system.

My comments about illegal migration come from all the fuss made in countries like the US and UK where again xenophobic populist politicians use it to drive hate for Mexicans, Africans etc. when they're the ones actually doing all the key work.
 
I don't think many in India will have an issue with CAA as it is an inclusive law which talks about giving citizenship to persecuted minorities from neighbouring autocratic countries. I mean the stats and figures suggests that the minorities are being persecuted in their respective countries. So Indian govt giving them citizenship will be looked upon as an humanitarian move and no one (including Indian muslims) should have a problem.

Now, CAA can't happen without NRC and there lies the problem. You can't take more people in in an already overpopulated country without throwing out few. It will impact job, price rise, economy and everything.

So CAA will be an impractical move without NRC. But the govt will tread this line with caution as NRC is about taking citizenship away of some anti nationals :intiand send them back packing to their rightful place where their heart lies. However implementing it will cause another round of protests in the country and something BJP will be reluctant to implement now.

CAA without NRC is impractical and only sounds good for theories & headlines.
I dont think anybody in India will have an issue with it because they know more about the reality this is just playing to a target audience and does not hold any meaning.

I think this would be probably the first and only such act in modern post world war II history where something is being implemented with the label of a "humanitarian cause" and yet takes exra pains to exclude one particular religion. Its basically bigotry masquerading as a humanitarian cause.

I have no issue with what India and Indians do, but dont try to market a jar of **** as grandma's peach tea (yes that was a Batman vs Superman reference)

If you want to extend your assistance and help to certain people and not others, its not humanitarian (because it does not cover all of humanity). Call it a name that fits. Anti Muslim act or Hindu and friends Act or something.
 
Economically Bangladesh was always better compared to countries like Pakistan or Afghanistan. The reason for so many illegal BD immigrants were nothing to do with economy. The left govt in Bengal previously and now Mamata Banerjee's party bring them in as vote bank politics. It is not me who is saying this, Mamata herself said it in 2005 in the floor of Parliament when left was in power in Bengal and she even threw the book of constitution at speaker's face.

What is the name of the rapist MP in Sandeshkhali? Where is he from?

I am amazed you think it been blown out of proportion.
After implementation if CAA, mamata gonna affected badly…. Mamata Banerjee is a biggest hypocrite of Indian politics…. She was responsible for ouster of Tata Nano’s plant in singur, but when she became WB CM, she went to Ambani-Adani’s residences couple of time and begged in front of them to invest in WB
 
Maybe. I wish we had some numbers. I'm amazed that conditions are so bad in Bangladesh that millions of people are uprooting their lives and coming to live in a foreign country which itself is not a developed nation, has limited opportunities for jobs and no social security system.

My comments about illegal migration come from all the fuss made in countries like the US and UK where again xenophobic populist politicians use it to drive hate for Mexicans, Africans etc. when they're the ones actually doing all the key work.
They are not moving to a foreign environment, but a place where they have familiarity and support. They stay in places where there are many bengalis.

Reserve "uprooting their lives", "moving to foreign country" and all this imagery for say an indian going to germany, not for someone who has a familiar environment with same language and food and other things that make them culturally comfortable.
 
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My comments about illegal migration come from all the fuss made in countries like the US and UK where again xenophobic populist politicians use it to drive hate for Mexicans, Africans etc. when they're the ones actually doing all the key work.
Problem with you indians is that you get your ideas from foreign countries and apply it blindly to india. So hindus must be the white racists, muslims must be the blacks, immigration is a hoax drummed up by white supremacists and all that. While making you feel intelligent and smug.

As I said, these english educated and ideologically converted indians are beyond redemption.
 
They are not moving to a foreign environment, but a place where they have familiarity and support. They stay in places where there are many bengalis.

Reserve "uprooting their lives", "moving to foreign country" and all this imagery for say an indian going to germany, not for someone who has a familiar environment with same language and food and other things that make them culturally comfortable.
So you're saying millions are moving because the TMC is making them feel comfortable and invited, finding them jobs and giving them the vote. Keep in mind that though the language and food might be similar, they're still moving from villages in which they would've stayed for generations leaving behind family, friends and social connections.

As you said you're from the area and know the local conditions better but something doesn't feel right in your explanation.
 
So you're saying millions are moving because the TMC is making them feel comfortable and invited, finding them jobs and giving them the vote. Keep in mind that though the language and food might be similar, they're still moving from villages in which they would've stayed for generations leaving behind family, friends and social connections.

As you said you're from the area and know the local conditions better but something doesn't feel right in your explanation.
Then give me 0 marks out of 10 and move on. Who is asking you to feel right about me?
 
Maybe. I wish we had some numbers. I'm amazed that conditions are so bad in Bangladesh that millions of people are uprooting their lives and coming to live in a foreign country which itself is not a developed nation, has limited opportunities for jobs and no social security system.

My comments about illegal migration come from all the fuss made in countries like the US and UK where again xenophobic populist politicians use it to drive hate for Mexicans, Africans etc. when they're the ones actually doing all the key work.

Every country including US and UK have the right to decide who enters their country.

Mexicans or Africans or anyone else can come via legal route. If not then the countries have the right to stop them and deport them if they want.

You have no idea about illegal Bangladeshi immigration into India.
 
Every country including US and UK have the right to decide who enters their country.

Mexicans or Africans or anyone else can come via legal route. If not then the countries have the right to stop them and deport them if they want.

You have no idea about illegal Bangladeshi immigration into India.
So whats a legal route in the US, UK and most countries? Do you know how it works?


I am not asking about visa process. That of course is well known. But say asylum or refuge or whatever, do you know how that works? For most countries in the world?
 
So you're saying millions are moving because the TMC is making them feel comfortable and invited, finding them jobs and giving them the vote. Keep in mind that though the language and food might be similar, they're still moving from villages in which they would've stayed for generations leaving behind family, friends and social connections.

As you said you're from the area and know the local conditions better but something doesn't feel right in your explanation.

Why do Mexicans cross over to America?

Why are so many from Africa moving to Europe?

Economic conditions in bordering area of Bangladesh isn't conducive. Most of these people move here for economic reasons.

Political parties settled them. They do jobs here. Obtain documents. Then its easy for them to move between the two countries.

The condition has become dire.

All of a sudden slums are coming up in an open public land. We Bengalis understand the difference in the dialect of Bangladeshis and us. We can easily identify them.

India needs to become a hostile nation for illegal immigrants so that no more immigrants come here in future.

Look up the map of Myanmar. All those Rohingyas went to BD or India, none to China. Wonder why.
 
So whats a legal route in the US, UK and most countries? Do you know how it works?


I am not asking about visa process. That of course is well known. But say asylum or refuge or whatever, do you know how that works? For most countries in the world?

Asylum and refuge isn't legal route.

Most of the asylum and refugees enter countries illegally and then apply for refugee status.

But is it another country's responsibility to take care of citizens of another country because they have issues in that country?
 
Every country including US and UK have the right to decide who enters their country.

Mexicans or Africans or anyone else can come via legal route. If not then the countries have the right to stop them and deport them if they want.

You have no idea about illegal Bangladeshi immigration into India.
Of course every country does have this right and should want regulated immigration. I think though that except in exceptional circumstances like war or famine (say during the Bangladesh independence movement in 1971 or Taliban takeover in Afghanistan) when millions pour in suddenly, politicians use the fear of the alien immigrant taking away local jobs and opportunities to stir up emotions and win support. The barriers are so high and conditions so tough that it's difficult to imagine that so enough people are risking their lives and families to make such a big impact compared to the noise and hate.

I have openly admitted I don't know enough about illegal Bangladeshi migration to India but much as we love India and are proud of it's progress, we have to admit life at the bottom of the chain - i.e. for the landless labourer whether rural or urban isn't great. Is it a little better than what they're getting in Bangladesh...maybe but have you seen the kind of social benefit schemes that the Bangladesh government has been rolling out? I'm not expert there either but they've been getting a lot of praise in international economic circles for how they're lifting millions out of poverty.
 
Asylum and refuge isn't legal route.

Most of the asylum and refugees enter countries illegally and then apply for refugee status.

But is it another country's responsibility to take care of citizens of another country because they have issues in that country?
This is exactly what I thought was the limitation of your understanding and knowledge.

Asylum and refuge are actually 100% legal routes for gaining entry and eventually residency and citizenship of a country in most civilized nations.
Feel free to look it up.

Illegal immigration is when immigrants cross the border illegally without permission. Aslyum seekers or refugees normally go through the proper channels, go to the border post or embassy and request entry. There is a very clear delineation there. The countries who offer asylum or shelter basically have refugee programs based on humanitarian grounds. A vast majority of Vietnamese and subcontinental christians in US have attained their green cards and citizenships through that route.

Now, moving on to the next step: do you know of any country in the world that prohibits asylum seekers or refuge seekers at the door based on their religion? Other than India?
 
Here's a column from my favourite economic writer - Bangladeshis the new Asian Tiger.

And here's a chart that shows their economic boom. It's a couple of years old (2021) but still shows their trajectory. Does it look like a country from where millions are clamoring to migrate from leaving so much behind.
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Here's a column from my favourite economic writer - Bangladeshis the new Asian Tiger.

And here's a chart that shows their economic boom. It's a couple of years old (2021) but still shows their trajectory. Does it look like a country from where millions are clamoring to migrate from leaving so much behind.
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Thanks for sharing that. I have been wondering the same. I am sure there are valid reasons for some Indians here to believe illegal immigration from BD is a problem but economcially speaking BD has been doing great and its rather curious.
 
Of course every country does have this right and should want regulated immigration. I think though that except in exceptional circumstances like war or famine (say during the Bangladesh independence movement in 1971 or Taliban takeover in Afghanistan) when millions pour in suddenly, politicians use the fear of the alien immigrant taking away local jobs and opportunities to stir up emotions and win support. The barriers are so high and conditions so tough that it's difficult to imagine that so enough people are risking their lives and families to make such a big impact compared to the noise and hate.

I have openly admitted I don't know enough about illegal Bangladeshi migration to India but much as we love India and are proud of it's progress, we have to admit life at the bottom of the chain - i.e. for the landless labourer whether rural or urban isn't great. Is it a little better than what they're getting in Bangladesh...maybe but have you seen the kind of social benefit schemes that the Bangladesh government has been rolling out? I'm not expert there either but they've been getting a lot of praise in international economic circles for how they're lifting millions out of poverty.

If you are guaranteed job and papers on the other side, you will jump. Because conditions on your side aren't good.

There are illegal Bangladeshi immigrants in every sphere in Bengal.

From a rickshaw puller to a carpenter to a doctor.

Bangladesh fudges figures. If their economy was so good they wouldn't be running to IMF for bailouts.
 
Now, moving on to the next step: do you know of any country in the world that prohibits asylum seekers or refuge seekers at the door based on their religion? Other than India?
There is no prohibition. Just that minorities are being given preference.

Indian constitution gives preference to minorities at many places, it is a central theme.
 
Here's a column from my favourite economic writer - Bangladeshis the new Asian Tiger.

And here's a chart that shows their economic boom. It's a couple of years old (2021) but still shows their trajectory. Does it look like a country from where millions are clamoring to migrate from leaving so much behind.
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Once in a while, always a know it all indian comes who thinks he knows more about ground situation, tries to suck up, does all virtue signalling, and then get bored and vanishes.
 
Here's a column from my favourite economic writer - Bangladeshis the new Asian Tiger.

And here's a chart that shows their economic boom. It's a couple of years old (2021) but still shows their trajectory. Does it look like a country from where millions are clamoring to migrate from leaving so much behind.
https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb8543998-b943-44bf-a13e-ab462704bd8e_1168x450.png
Here's a column from my favourite economic writer - Bangladeshis the new Asian Tiger.

And here's a chart that shows their economic boom. It's a couple of years old (2021) but still shows their trajectory. Does it look like a country from where millions are clamoring to migrate from leaving so much behind.
https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb8543998-b943-44bf-a13e-ab462704bd8e_1168x450.png

The lid on BD economy was blown last year when they had to run to IMF for a bailout.


Such was their economic condition that they were not able to pay for energy fuels and started closing down businesses to conserve energy.

 
This is exactly what I thought was the limitation of your understanding and knowledge.

Asylum and refuge are actually 100% legal routes for gaining entry and eventually residency and citizenship of a country in most civilized nations.
Feel free to look it up.

Illegal immigration is when immigrants cross the border illegally without permission. Aslyum seekers or refugees normally go through the proper channels, go to the border post or embassy and request entry. There is a very clear delineation there. The countries who offer asylum or shelter basically have refugee programs based on humanitarian grounds. A vast majority of Vietnamese and subcontinental christians in US have attained their green cards and citizenships through that route.

Now, moving on to the next step: do you know of any country in the world that prohibits asylum seekers or refuge seekers at the door based on their religion? Other than India?

There are many refugees and asylum seekers who enter illegally and then apply for asylum or refugee status.

Feel free to look that up.

Entering illegally is still illegal immigration, conversion into Legal status later is different.


Do you know any other country where citizens demanded a separate country on the basis of religion? Spilled blood for it and now their descendants are questioning why they can't get refugee status or asylum in the other country?
 
Once in a while, always a know it all indian comes who thinks he knows more about ground situation, tries to suck up, does all virtue signalling, and then get bored and vanishes.
If you're referring to me, sure I've admitted I don't know much about the ground situation in this case, not sure who I'm sucking up or virtue signalling to and yes I do plead guilty to getting bored and vanish when the discussion is going nowhere and both sides are entrenched in their positions.

If your argument is that only those who're personally experiencing the situation on the ground should be commenting on the issue, then I'm not sure what we're all doing here on a Pakistani message board commenting on their political situation and drawing parallels to India.
 
There are many refugees and asylum seekers who enter illegally and then apply for asylum or refugee status.

Feel free to look that up.

Entering illegally is still illegal immigration, conversion into Legal status later is different.


Do you know any other country where citizens demanded a separate country on the basis of religion? Spilled blood for it and now their descendants are questioning why they can't get refugee status or asylum in the other country?
WONDERFUL!

Exactly what I thought. India is trying to be the next Pakistan. LOL!
 
If you're referring to me, sure I've admitted I don't know much about the ground situation in this case, not sure who I'm sucking up or virtue signalling to and yes I do plead guilty to getting bored and vanish when the discussion is going nowhere and both sides are entrenched in their positions.

If your argument is that only those who're personally experiencing the situation on the ground should be commenting on the issue, then I'm not sure what we're all doing here on a Pakistani message board commenting on their political situation and drawing parallels to India.
Everyone is free to comment, but please don't make any discussion a kindergarten class where instead of discussing, someone has to teach you. Especially if you come with your lazy assertions that because this is what happens in the west, I think this is blown out of proportion in bengal. Such intellectually hollow statements suck out the energy from any discussion.
 
Illegal Bangladeshi immigrants are widespread in Indian metro cities; you'll find them in large numbers in every major city. Many of them have obtained Aadhar cards and are receiving government benefits. A considerable number of Bangladeshi women work as maids in Bangalore. These illegal immigrants are a burden on the country's economy. Rations and subsidies are meant for citizens, not for illegal immigrants.
Unfortunately, regional parties in India are encouraging and providing them with all the necessary documents as they see them as a potential vote bank. There are numerous articles highlighting how the demographics are rapidly changing in border districts of West Bengal, Assam, and a few other northeastern states due to illegal immigrants.
It's time to wake up, everyone.
 
WONDERFUL!

Exactly what I thought. India is trying to be the next Pakistan. LOL!

Why should we be next Pakistan? Lol

If we want to be a religious republic, there are so many examples to follow other than Pakistan.
 
Why should we be next Pakistan? Lol

If we want to be a religious republic, there are so many examples to follow other than Pakistan.
For every question, your answer historically veers towards Pakistan. It is very clear that most of the policies and decisions backed by hindu posters here are in direct response or reaction to Pakistani policies.

If that was not the case, you would simply engage in a sensible debate, but it takes two posts tops before you pivot to the glvoe dont fit defense using Pakistan.

Honestly dont know how else to interpret this.
 
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