If pakistanis love secularism so much why don't they demand secularism instead of islamic laws? But hey, we can have all islamic laws for yourself, but you hindus, you must live only by pro muslim laws. Pakistan is our fixed deposit, and India is a joint account.
It cannot be the baseline till you can give figures for (even approximate, but official) for July/August 1947.
Even when Pakistanis got to choose their govt, was there any demand for secular laws? Imran had to proclaim that he will stand for the blasphemy law when campaigning for elections. So we all know what sells. And I admire that. This is what any respectable qaum should do. And I also understand why they have problems with indian hindus wanting freedom and safeguards for their religion. India should be a joint account, with fixed account of pakistan and bangladesh already secured.
Yes, the muslim view is that India should be a joint account. Many sickular hindus also have the same view, that sharing the account gives them a moral high ground. Only some hindus like me, inspired by muslims are trying to move the envelope and make hindus more like muslims.
Great Mughal period lol are we seeing a great Zionist period now with so much of innovation by Zionists around the world.
Thanks for the deep psychoanalysis. However, if you'll let me off the couch for a second, I'll let you know I'm not a vegetarian and love a delicious beef steak (medium rare) as much as the next person. I also don't know about the tiger eating me but given that I've tried snake, alligator, shark, octupus and a bunch of other stuff, I think the higher likelihood is of me getting a bite in first.
As an Atheist would you prefer living in a Hindu majority or a Muslim majority country?
I haven't said that the group pushing for desecularisation, so to say, are not a large and powerful group who have momentum with them. I think it's going to be a long and protracted fight.
Hindu I'm sure. Most Muslim nations openly hate atheists. Hindus dislike but tolerate them. Hopefully I don't have to choose.
Still no response to the big hole in the data. Do you have numbers for 1947 pre august, yes or no? If not, are you extrapolating to fill the data gap?
If I picked on the people of faith in my life for following their faith I'd get whacked on the head with a broom by my mom and no doubt be denied my favorite ginger chutney by my wife.
You have already made your choice by always playing for one side. The side which makes you think you are "secular". It is another matter that you don't know what is secularism. hint: It cannot be applied to an individual by definition.
As expected. You like to live in the present day, with no idea or interest in civilization's history and future. No swayambodh and no shatrubodh.
I have no need to present a fabricated story. NO need to get worked up over this. Read my previous statements. Most of my Indian friends are from college days or some I work with but lets say a vast majority have been here for a while and do not live in India. It is quite possible their fears are misplaced. I will be honest, I am not well placed to make that judgment, but I do believe the fear or concern within them is real. One of them expressed to me that years ago, it was normal for Muslims to pray in public in India but lamented that he cannot do so anymore for fear of violent aggression towards him. If you choose to not believe him, well it wont make an ioa of difference because internally the mistrust between MUSLIMS and HINDUS exists already. NOthing new there.
I hope this is not a rhetorical question, there are tends of thousands of Hindu Indians living in Muslim majority countries where they migrated to to make a living.
I'm guessing you're not an atheist (sorry for the assumption and hail FSM if you are) so it's tough for you to answer. Hindu society has a long history of reluctantly tolerating us atheists. I'm scratching my head to think of a Muslim society where I could live as openly and talk as freely about my lack of belief as I do in India.
I am stil trying to figure it out. I guess the best I can be described as is Agnostic. I dont see how thats pertinent but I have lived my life in Muslim maority countries and in non muslim majority countries. The rights of minorities are definitely better protected in the west.
Actually people do care, Aren’t you in the US?
Big data , social media etc etc I can keep going on Zionist innovators. Mughals also could flex coz various Hindu kings esp the Rajputs helping them out.
Muslims don't mind hindu atheists. They might invite you to Islam but they won't hate you for leaving hinduism. They do hate muslim atheists. So you have nothing to worry about.
Maybe we can have a history-off sometime. Especially since it's my ambition to retire early and do a doctorate in history. My special area of interest is Deccan medieval history - Chaulukyas through Rashtrakutas, Kakatiyas all the way to the Cholas. But I can generally talk any period of Indian history as long as you don't get all esoteric and philosophish on me. I can't do meaning of Dharma, Eternal Brahman stuff.
Maybe I am failing to see your point, but why is me being in the US relevent here.
Glad to hear it. Come over to the dark side brother. The Flying Spaghetti Monster beckons thee.
Yes, you dont have the luxury of freedom of speech to joke about or insult any holy places/people/things in Muslim countries. The west will tolerate you talking bad about Jesus but there are religious laws in Musim majority countries.
Born in Libya, my point is its not only economics that matter but where one can see future for his/her family, freedom to practice his her faith or atheism.
That is what I said, muslims don't mind atheists from any other religion. They only hate atheists who were muslims.
Don't get me wrong. The days of flaunting my atheism and taking joy in making fun of religion are long past me...they were a brief teenage phase at best.Yes, you dont have the luxury of freedom of speech to joke about or insult any holy places/people/things in Muslim countries. The west will tolerate you talking bad about Jesus but there are religious laws in Musim majority countries.
So if thats your poison, perhaps best to stay put.
Atheism as in lack of believe in gods and deities, doesn't mean that there cannot be cultural or societal affiliations. Atheists come in all size and colors. Some spit on their ancestors, some just don't believe in god/s but have a sense of belonging to the civilization they were born into.
Good joke. Are dalits allowed to enter Ram Mandir in Ayodhya?
So when politicians were doing iftaar parties and building haj houses, they were making islamic nation? What dumb logic.Good joke. Are dalits allowed to enter Ram Mandir in Ayodhya?
If BJP isn't building a Hindu nation then why are they taking credit for building Ram Mandir? What was that drama all about on 22nd January 2024? Andhbhakhts are so dumb lol.
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Sure point well made. I'm very obsessed with celebrating festivals the right way and my (religious) wife can get very annoyed with me on how particular I am on observing the traditions associated with say Ganesh puja. The decoration and rangoli at home, the foods to be made, the religious songs in the morning.
You have comprehension issues because that's not the answer to my question. Try again before coming up with another dumb reply or leave it to @cricketjoshila.
If inaugurating Ram Mandir means the govt is making a Hindu Rashtra, then attending iftaar parties and building haj houses means govts were making an Islamic state. Just your logic, even though logic is not your strong suit.You have comprehension issues because that's not the answer to my question. Try again before coming up with another dumb reply or leave it to @cricketjoshila.
Also do ask him why does he think that the previous government was appeasing Muslims.
How weak you have become lol? There is a big difference between Iftaar Parties and building Ram Mandir which was in BJP's election manifesto. They want votes on the basis of Ram Mandir. Ofcourse you are too dumb to see that because you have become an andhbhakht.
Yes, the big difference being it is secularism to build haj houses for muslims, but communalism to build a temple after decolonization. Jai Shri Ram.How weak you have become lol? There is a big difference between Iftaar Parties and building Ram Mandir which was in BJP's election manifesto. They want votes on the basis of Ram Mandir. Ofcourse you are too dumb to see that because you have become an andhbhakht.
Iftaar parties....
Constitution has been amended more than 100 times since its inception. Amendment of constitution is constitutional. Why do you have problem with something that is constitutional?
Whilst we have sympathy for the afghanis in Pakistan, a lot of them are illegals, you have zero idea of the the ground realities and the trouble they cause. They were only meant to be there for a finite time anyway. Anyway, you lot generalise Pakistanis and muslims all day long.
BJP has absolute majority in lok sabha. If they wanted, they would have implemented Hindu constitution already.
Why do you to ignore aug 1947 till 1951?
The RSS at the cadre level is actually dominated by the so-called backward caste hindus. Plenty of dalits in there as well.
I know 1951 was census year. I am saying that this baseline is wrong, as it ignores the big data gap since aug 1947. Don't worry, I will repeat this basic info any number of time it needs for you to understand.
It was Pakistan's first census post-partition. How many times do I have to repeat this basic information?
That does not mean anything. It is really bad for the optics. India, much like pakistani, is a duality.
The constitutions preamble was amended in 1976 to add secular, so how come india was secular from 1947 to 1976?
This I agree with, minority appeasement is dying at an alarming rate..
So being secular=minority appeasement?
In India, it has been the “liberal” motto that secularism is the same as minority appeasement . Surprised u aren’t aware of this.
India was secular alright, pseudo secular...
I won’t fall in that trap. I don’t know much about India except from what I hear from Indian friends and you guys have already debunked that. I just go by what is preached in the news and articles.
I guess you beat me to it … that’s what I am understanding now as well.
Lol, you are not responsible for the data. I am saying that there is a data gap so the 1951 data CANNOT be used. Simple.
You are yet to answer which laws in the aain-e-hind make it a hindu rashtra.
But isn't Modi and BJP trying hard to make it into Hindu-rastra?
Pakistan was formed in Aug 1947, but to count hindu population you are using 1951 ( not your fault that the only data you have is from 1951). We need to know the numbers for aug 1947 onwards. It was a very volatile period, and we cannot make any assumption about that missing data.
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