Rahul Dravid beats Sachin Tendulkar in Wisden India's poll

[King_Kohli]

Former India batsman Rahul Dravid pipped Sachin Tendulkar to be voted India's greatest Test batsman in the last 50 years in a poll conducted by Wisden India.

According to Wisden India, the poll, on Facebook, saw 11400 fans taking part in the final stand-off between the two legendary batsmen. Dravid got 52 percent of the total votes after he was trailing initially.

Dravid has played 164 Tests between 1996 and 2012, scoring 13288 runs at an average of 52.31. Tendulkar, meanwhile, has played 200 Tests between 1989 and 2013 scoring 15921 at 53.78. Tendulkar has 51 Test centuries while Dravid has 36.

Tendulkar's overall numbers are superior, but the former No. 3 seems to have earned a place in fans' hearts as a batsman for tough situations. Batting at No. 3, Dravid has often bailed India out of trouble after early wickets.

Dravid scored 7690 runs at 53.03 in 94 Tests away from home. As many as 5443 of those, at an average around 52, came in 64 Tests in Australia, England, South Africa, New Zealand and West Indies.

https://cricket.yahoo.net/news/rahul-dravid-beats-sachin-tendulkar-090608973

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...n-wisden-indias-poll/articleshow/76553758.cms

 

[Ab Fan]

There were as many as 16 contenders in the poll. Gavaskar ended at 3rd while Kohli at 4th.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

Dravid was definitely the better test batsman. Sachin wins hands down in ODIs though.

 

[Proactive_]

Gavaskar at #1 for me.

Easily.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Dravid failed in the 90s which was a tougher decade for batsmen. And he was extremely mediocre against Australia and South Africa, the top two teams for majority of his career.

Dravid the test batsman is overrated, though he is extremely underrated in ODIs especially ICC tournaments.

 

[Ab Fan]

No surprises, Wisden prioritizes runs in England more. Rahul Dravid is the greatest Asian batsmen in English conditions.

 

[the eslah]

Dravid w/o any Doubt is the best indian test batsman,even one of the best in World.his consistency,commitment and class earned the the Tag of "the Wall".i would rate Dravid at 1, Gavaskar at 2, sachin At 3.Sachin is better in ODIs though.

 

[andy0204]

Dravid failed in the 90s which was a tougher decade for batsmen. And he was extremely mediocre against Australia and South Africa, the top two teams for majority of his career.

Dravid the test batsman is overrated, though he is extremely underrated in ODIs especially ICC tournaments.

How Dravid failed in 90's?
Did well in England, South Africa,West Indies and Newzealand,the only place he failed was in Australia.

Overall he failed against South Africa and Australia but he played some great knocks against them.

 

[Mamoon]

Both Tendulkar and Kohli are better Test batsmen then Dravid.

Dravid is a terrific player, but some people overrate him because they cannot digest the success of Tendulkar. It is probably the same for Kohli.

Nevertheless, Dravid is among the greats of Test cricket.

Top 10 Asian Test batsmen:

1. Tendulkar
2. Gavaskar
3. Sangakkara
4. Kohli*
5. Miandad
6. Dravid
7. Laxman
8. Sehwag
9. Aravinda
10. Viswanath/Amarnath/Vengsarkar

*Kohli could be number 1 by the time he retires.

 

[NishanKonar]

Rahul Dravid was better than Sachin in England

But everywhere else Sachin was way better.

 

[NishanKonar]

Both Tendulkar and Kohli are better Test batsmen then Dravid.

Dravid is a terrific player, but some people overrate him because they cannot digest the success of Tendulkar. It is probably the same for Kohli.

Nevertheless, Dravid is among the greats of Test cricket.

Top 10 Asian Test batsmen:

1. Tendulkar
2. Gavaskar
3. Sangakkara
4. Kohli*
5. Miandad
6. Dravid
7. Laxman
8. Sehwag
9. Aravinda
10. Viswanath/Amarnath/Vengsarkar

*Kohli could be number 1 by the time he retires.

Gundappa Vishwanath was way better than his 10th ranking. Even the likes of Denis Lilee & Andy Roberts rated him better than Gavaskar on fast bouncy pitches against genuine pace. He scored 14 centuries & India won all 14

Highly under- rated player - probably bcoz he played mostly in 70s in pre-TV era & is rarely discussed about even in India ( as compared to Sachins & Gavaskars )

 

[Mamoon]

Gundappa Vishwanath was way better than his 10th ranking. Even the likes of Denis Lilee & Andy Roberts rated him better than Gavaskar on fast bouncy pitches against genuine pace. He scored 14 centuries & India won all 14

Highly under- rated player - probably bcoz he played mostly in 70s in pre-TV era & is rarely discussed about even in India ( as compared to Sachins & Gavaskars )

The bottom 5 is interchangeable, but I didn’t watch him live so it was difficult for me to rank him ahead of the likes of Sehwag, Aravinda and Laxman.

 

[King_Kohli]

Lara and Dravid better test batsman than Tendulkar.

 

[the eslah]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] where is Asian bradman Zaheer Abbas?

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] where is Asian bradman Zaheer Abbas?

Brilliant ODI player but it won’t be fair to rank him among the top 10 Test batsmen.

 

[Ab Fan]

I don't think Dravid was a better test batsmen than Ponting, Kallis or Sangakkara, so I won't call him better than Tendulkar.

However, if we look at careers of Dravid and Tendulkar since 2001, Dravid was better than him and so were Ponting, Kallis and Sangakkara.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

Both Tendulkar and Kohli are better Test batsmen then Dravid.

Dravid is a terrific player, but some people overrate him because they cannot digest the success of Tendulkar. It is probably the same for Kohli.

Nevertheless, Dravid is among the greats of Test cricket.

Top 10 Asian Test batsmen:

1. Tendulkar
2. Gavaskar
3. Sangakkara
4. Kohli*
5. Miandad
6. Dravid
7. Laxman
8. Sehwag
9. Aravinda
10. Viswanath/Amarnath/Vengsarkar

*Kohli could be number 1 by the time he retires.

Younis Khan, Inzamam? Are De Silva or Laxman better than them?!

 

[PakPremi]

Zaheer Abbas, Younis Khan, Inzimam were all better than Laxman, Vengsarkar, Amarnath,DeSilva, and even Shewag as Test Batsmen, and I have seen them all at their peaks.
Mohd Yusuf and Hanif Mohammed would also be in top 15 Asian Batsmen.

 

[Ab Fan]

Funnily enough, Rohit Sharma was not even a contender among 16 names in the last 50 years time period.

 

[therealAB]

Gundappa Vishwanath was way better than his 10th ranking. Even the likes of Denis Lilee & Andy Roberts rated him better than Gavaskar on fast bouncy pitches against genuine pace. He scored 14 centuries & India won all 14

Highly under- rated player - probably bcoz he played mostly in 70s in pre-TV era & is rarely discussed about even in India ( as compared to Sachins & Gavaskars )

Which of the above players is he better than?

 

[therealAB]

Younis Khan, Inzamam? Are De Silva or Laxman better than them?!

De Silva def, and Laxman debatable. VVS way more clutch though

 

[Mamoon]

Younis Khan, Inzamam? Are De Silva or Laxman better than them?!

Younis was an ordinary batsman and I don’t care what his record says. I saw him from his first match to his last.

De Silva and Laxman were better than Inzamam, who couldn’t bat against McGrath, Warne and Donald.

 

[Mamoon]

Funnily enough, Rohit Sharma was not even a contender among 16 names in the last 50 years time period.

I think India missed a trick by not opening with him around 2014-15. He would have been Sehwag 2.0 on Indian pitches.

He was misfit in the middle-order and batted with a muddled head.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Indians rate rahul dravid better than sachin in tests just because he played more defensively which according to them is the most important trait of a test player.
As of now rahul dravid is behind sachin and gavaskar and marginally ahead of kohli. When kohli retires he will leave rahul dravid far behind.

Top 10 asian test batsman

Sachin
Gavaskar
Sangakkara
Dravid
Kohli
Miandad
Inzamam
Sehwag
Younis khan
Laxman.

 

[PakPremi]

Indians rate rahul dravid better than sachin in tests just because he played more defensively which according to them is the most important trait of a test player.
As of now rahul dravid is behind sachin and gavaskar and marginally ahead of kohli. When kohli retires he will leave rahul dravid far behind.

Top 10 asian test batsman

Sachin
Gavaskar
Sangakkara
Dravid
Kohli
Miandad
Inzamam
Sehwag
Younis khan
Laxman.

Good list but Zaheer should be ahead of Laxman,who isoverated mainly because of his heroics against o e cou try Australia. Dravid is too high in the list as he was more of accumulator than a dominating batsman.

 

[Hitman]

Got to be a joke. Dravid has a below par record against both Australia and South Africa. The man averages 29 in South Africa and 33 in Sri Lanka. As Mamoon said, some people overrate him because they can't digest Tendulkar's success.

 

[Ab Fan]

I don't agree with the idea that Dravid struggled against Australia.

He was pivotal in India's historic wins vs Australia, discarding that would mean we did zilch in 2000s decade which is untrue.

 

[Markhor]

I don't agree. Not to diminish Dravid but Tendulkar is the GOAT. He had that extra gear that Dravid didn't have.

 

[Hitman]

One question, who mates it to 99.9% of World XI’s compiled including the ones by WISDEN, Cricinfo, Richie Benaud, or other contemporary cricketers .... Tendulkar or Dravid?

 

[andy0204]

Got to be a joke. Dravid has a below par record against both Australia and South Africa. The man averages 29 in South Africa and 33 in Sri Lanka. As Mamoon said, some people overrate him because they can't digest Tendulkar's success.

That's because of idiotic fan base of both and most importantly most of them saw Tendulkar of 2000 where the likes of Kallis,Sanga,Ponting were scoring like crazy which Tendulkar was during 1990's.

 

[Ab Fan]

Top 10 Asian batsmen of all-time:-

1. Sachin Tendulkar
2. Sunil Gavaskar
3. KS Ranjitsinghji
4. DuleepSinghji
5. Hanif Muhammad
6. Vijay Hazare
7. Vijay Merchant
8. Kumar Sangakkara
9. Rahul Dravid
10. Javed Miandad

 

[Hasan123]

Tendulkar is better than Dravid.

 

[Titan24]

While the thread is about Tendulkar and Dravid many are talking about Pakistani batsmen as well and undermining Younus Khan along with some others upto an unrealistic level.

Younus Khan had a craeer average of 52 and averaged 50 in Aus, 50 in Eng 76 in India, 43 in NZ, 45 which is much more than many players being hyped here. I think many know what I am talking about, would be willing to go into specifics and stats of those players if necessary.

Same is the case with Moh Yousuf who averaged 52 in his career with an average of 54 in Eng 55 in NZ, 69 in WI, which is again more than many being rated highly here.

 

[Titan24]

Coming to Tendulkar vs Dravid. Its not much of a comparison, Tendulkar is far ahead of him if we look at the overseas records and performances as well.

 

[sshakir411]

Indians for the longest have claimed Pakistanis love Dravid because they don’t want to accept Sachin as the best batsman from India and in the world. Some of Dravid’s test innings have been ATG level and tbh I haven’t watched Indian cricket enough to find equivalent Sachin test innings. At least never against us. Sachin either scored a mild century vs Pakistan or failed to show up in tests.

 

[leatherface58]

Damn I thought Sachin and Dravid had a fight or something WWE style!

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

While the thread is about Tendulkar and Dravid many are talking about Pakistani batsmen as well and undermining Younus Khan along with some others upto an unrealistic level.

Younus Khan had a craeer average of 52 and averaged 50 in Aus, 50 in Eng 76 in India, 43 in NZ, 45 which is much more than many players being hyped here. I think many know what I am talking about, would be willing to go into specifics and stats of those players if necessary.

Same is the case with Moh Yousuf who averaged 52 in his career with an average of 54 in Eng 55 in NZ, 69 in WI, which is again more than many being rated highly here.

The problem with rating younis higher is that he has a total of 5 away centuries in sena while batsmen like kohli scored 4 in a single tour of aus.

 

[Saksham]

The contribution of Rahul Dravid towards Indian Cricket cannot be put into words. I am extremely happy to see the result of this poll. I completely agree that Dravid was better than Tendulkar in test matches. Stats may tell another story but impact wise Dravid is right at the top. He has played a massive role in overseas conditions. The only other Indian Batsman that can be considered better than Dravid would be Gavaskar who had a fantastic record especially as an Opener and has scored massively in both home and away conditions.
Best Knocks of Rahul Dravid in Test Cricket in no particular order :
1. 233 vs Australia, Adelaide 2003
2. 180 vs Australia, Kolkata 2001
3. 148 vs England, Headingley 2002
4. 270 vs Pakistan, Rawalpindi 2004
5. 81 and 68 vs West Indies, Jamaica 2006
6. 110 and 135 vs Pakistan, Kolkata 2005
7. 190 and 103 vs New Zealand, Hamilton 1999
8. 148 vs South Africa, Johannesburg 1997
9. 93 vs Australia, Perth 2008
10. 191 vs New Zealand, Nagpur 2010

 

[Titan24]

The problem with rating younis higher is that he has a total of 5 away centuries in sena while batsmen like kohli scored 4 in a single tour of aus.

Laxman has 5 and Sehwag has 4 with much inferior averages. Sunil Gavaskar has 8 with similar averages to Younis in Aus and NZ but much inferior in England. Just to mention a few to manifest how some posters here like many other threads under rate him without much factual basis. I am not even bringing in conversion rate and 4th innings averages.

It wasnt only about your list, rather your list to an extent is better in my opinion.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Lara and Dravid better test batsman than Tendulkar.

Even King Kohli is better than Tendulkar.

 

[Titan24]

Tendulkar
Sangakarra
Gavaskar
Kohli
Dravid
Younis
Miandad
Mohammad Yousuf
Inzimam
Laxman

Tried to base it upon stats as much as I could. Of course we can bring in many names to replace some based upon "Old is Gold" and bit of bias but, not on the basis of career and SENA stats. Without the backing of stats and facts it just becomes personal opinion which cant be argued with.

 

[PakPremi]

Agree with Titan24 list except Zaheer Abbas is well ahead of Laxman as a batsman, and perhaps wven Mohd Yusuf stats not withstanding.

 

[Sam99]

Dravid was flop in SA, Aus & Srilanka. The best bowling teams of his time. He didn't do well against pakistan's best pace trio with saqlain as well so idk why he is being so over hyped these days? He was good in England conditions but that alone can't be criteria for greatness.

 

[Sam99]

I don't agree with the idea that Dravid struggled against Australia.

He was pivotal in India's historic wins vs Australia, discarding that would mean we did zilch in 2000s decade which is untrue.

Has totally 2 centuries against Australia in 62 innings. One came on flattest tour aus provided (2004) where everyone was scoring tons and other (2001 Kolkata) when aus gave follow on to india with tired mcgrath and clueless warne on indian wickets. His avg of 38 against aus is mostly cause of 2004 tour where aus gave flattest pitch and there was no mcgrath warne & even jason gillespie coming back from injury.

 

[moghul]

Gavaskar at #1 for me.

Easily.

Absolutely. Gavaskar is also an automatic selection in all time test team, Dravid ( a great test batsman ) not even close to it.

 

[Ab Fan]

Has totally 2 centuries against Australia in 62 innings. One came on flattest tour aus provided (2004) where everyone was scoring tons and other (2001 Kolkata) when aus gave follow on to india with tired mcgrath and clueless warne on indian wickets. His avg of 38 against aus is mostly cause of 2004 tour where aus gave flattest pitch and there was no mcgrath warne & even jason gillespie coming back from injury.

Do you know at what point of the match, did that 233 at Adelaide came?

India were reeling at 85-4 while Australia had already put up a huge total of 556 in first inning, then with Laxman and tail, he took the team to 523 all-out and scored a 72* in second inning as well. The chances of win was virtually impossible for India from that position. Dravid also went on to become the player of series in 2003 Australia tour.

His 181 didn't came against tired McGrath and Warne but it's that inning alongside Laxman's 281 that tired the Aussies attack whole day.

It is comical to say that Dravid struggled against Australia just because he averages one less than 40 vs Australia. Don't forget his 91 at Perth in 2007 tour which was again a quality knock.

 

[Sam99]

Do you know at what point of the match, did that 233 at Adelaide came?

India were reeling at 85-4 while Australia had already put up a huge total of 556 in first inning, then with Laxman and tail, he took the team to 523 all-out and scored a 72* in second inning as well. The chances of win was virtually impossible for India from that position. Dravid also went on to become the player of series in 2003 Australia tour.

His 181 didn't came against tired McGrath and Warne but it's that inning alongside Laxman's 281 that tired the Aussies attack whole day.

It is comical to say that Dravid struggled against Australia just because he averages one less than 40 vs Australia. Don't forget his 91 at Perth in 2007 tour which was again a quality knock.

He obviously has played some quality knocks but comparing to his own standards he wasn't that good against top sides of his time.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

For those who say that he never did well against great pace attack, look at his performances against ambrose, walsh and bishop in 96/97 tour of west indies. He averaged 70+ against ambrose, walsh and bishop,probably the greatest fast bowling attack he ever faced.

 

[Harsh Thakor]

Dravid was definitely the better test batsman. Sachin wins hands down in ODIs though.

Where in test cricket did Dravid equal Tendulkar against South Africa which had the best pace attack of its time and hardest wickets?On 3 tours Sachin has been successful there.Consistently in tests Tendulkar overshadowed Dravid against Australia at home and overseas ,with a better record playing Shane Warne.

In tests Sachin has a better avergae in matches won even if Dravid has performed better in a crisis or on bad wickets.Tendulkar also performed better against genuine pace and spin.At his best in England like at Edgbaston and Trent Bridge in 1996 Tendulkar was better than Rahul.

It is touch and go but Sachin was the more flamboyant and able to turn tests more than Dravid.Rahul was the more determined or posessed more concentration but it was Tendulkar who was more complete.Morally like comparing chalk with cheese.

 

[Harsh Thakor]

Do you know at what point of the match, did that 233 at Adelaide came?

India were reeling at 85-4 while Australia had already put up a huge total of 556 in first inning, then with Laxman and tail, he took the team to 523 all-out and scored a 72* in second inning as well. The chances of win was virtually impossible for India from that position. Dravid also went on to become the player of series in 2003 Australia tour.

His 181 didn't came against tired McGrath and Warne but it's that inning alongside Laxman's 281 that tired the Aussies attack whole day.

It is comical to say that Dravid struggled against Australia just because he averages one less than 40 vs Australia. Don't forget his 91 at Perth in 2007 tour which was again a quality knock.

Neverthless Tendulkar's best centuries in England and Australai are arguably even better than Dravid's from a technical viewpoint.Remember Trent Bridge innings of 1996 or Perth century of 1991-92.Dravid has never played such great innings against Shane Warne as Sachin.

 

[Harsh Thakor]

Coming to Tendulkar vs Dravid. Its not much of a comparison, Tendulkar is far ahead of him if we look at the overseas records and performances as well.

Is it not like comparing chalk with Cheese?Dravid the better in a crisis or on bad wickets.Tendulkar the more flamboyant and better match-winner.What is of no doubt is that Sachin was the more complete who could blend technical skill with agression as none else.Dravid was stats wise a better match-winner and overseas batsmen but remember he received much more support from his contemporaries than Sachin.Tendulkar has abetter record against genuine pace like in South Africa facing Alan Donald or Dale Steyn which is significant.Sachin also performed better against Shane Warne than Rahul.

Sachin's Muhammad Ali style comeback after 2007 to me decided the verdict in his favour.

 

[Ab Fan]

Neverthless Tendulkar's best centuries in England and Australai are arguably even better than Dravid's from a technical viewpoint.Remember Trent Bridge innings of 1996 or Perth century of 1991-92.Dravid has never played such great innings against Shane Warne as Sachin.

Not in England. Also, under crisis, Dravid was better.

 

[gazza619]

Dravid was definitely the better test batsman. Sachin wins hands down in ODIs though.

That is what I was thinking. Dravid would not even feature in all time C team (Asian ODI XI)

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

Where in test cricket did Dravid equal Tendulkar against South Africa which had the best pace attack of its time and hardest wickets?On 3 tours Sachin has been successful there.Consistently in tests Tendulkar overshadowed Dravid against Australia at home and overseas ,with a better record playing Shane Warne.

In tests Sachin has a better avergae in matches won even if Dravid has performed better in a crisis or on bad wickets.Tendulkar also performed better against genuine pace and spin.At his best in England like at Edgbaston and Trent Bridge in 1996 Tendulkar was better than Rahul.

It is touch and go but Sachin was the more flamboyant and able to turn tests more than Dravid.Rahul was the more determined or posessed more concentration but it was Tendulkar who was more complete.Morally like comparing chalk with cheese.

Sachin was a great player, don't mistake me. I feel India's tough away wins were more due to contributions of Dravid and Laxman - Adelaide in 2003, Perth in 2007, Durban 2010 etc. Tendulkar may have been a more complete batsman but Dravid was the one made of steel.

 

[Bewal Express]

Dravid was a good player but Tendulkar was something else.

 

[madhusudansarkar]

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...st-the-best-attacks-A-gaping-hole-in-the-wall

The above thread does a detailed analysis of Dravid's performance in and against Australia and South Africa, displaying his shortcomings against the best two teams of his era. He was far too inconsistent against the two sides to deserve a mention in the same bracket as Tendulkar, who is arguably one of the top five batsman of all time.

 

[Titan24]

Is it not like comparing chalk with Cheese?Dravid the better in a crisis or on bad wickets.Tendulkar the more flamboyant and better match-winner.What is of no doubt is that Sachin was the more complete who could blend technical skill with agression as none else.Dravid was stats wise a better match-winner and overseas batsmen but remember he received much more support from his contemporaries than Sachin.Tendulkar has abetter record against genuine pace like in South Africa facing Alan Donald or Dale Steyn which is significant.Sachin also performed better against Shane Warne than Rahul.

Sachin's Muhammad Ali style comeback after 2007 to me decided the verdict in his favour.

I agree. Thing is Sachin’s overseas record is just tremendous so my conclusion was directly based upon that. If we go into finer details Dravid can definitely compete to an extent but overall I still thing Sachin will win because of so much consistency in every condition (A rare occurrence). Sachin doesnt have many conditions especially in SENA in which one can say he struggled unlike others including Dravid with certain conditions being the achilles heel to the overall record. Though in certain SENA conditions Dravid definitely did better the Tendulkar but reason for me rating Tendulkar higher is that he had healthy averages and scores throughout SENA.

Its difficult to measure how someone stood up when team was down unless we have the data available but I definitely do remember Dravid being one such batsman.

I guess my post stating “far ahead” probably implied I dont rate Dravid but indeed I do. He was a top batsman, someone with one of the finest defensive techniques I have seen (Wasnt called “The Wall” for nothing) and definitely one of the best test batsmen from Asia.

 

[Titan24]

Agree with Titan24 list except Zaheer Abbas is well ahead of Laxman as a batsman, and perhaps wven Mohd Yusuf stats not withstanding.

I definitely pondered a lot over Zaheer too. Thing is he was simply outstanding in Eng with an avg of 56 in 9 matches and was pretty decent in Aus too with an avg of around 40. His avg of 19 vs NZ after 7 matches was bit of a surprise and unfortunately he only played 3 matches against WI with an avg of 21.

Based upon his Eng and Aus performances he can be there above the names you have mentioned but it becomes a bit difficult to judge the batsmen in a straight forward way so there will always be one or two positions which one can say could have been adjusted a bit. So its bit of a grey area, if anyone would have placed Zaheer above Laxman or any other from the bottom I would have agreed with him as well.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

People who actually watch test matches rate Dravid higher in the UK.

He scored centuries for fun against England and often played lone innings while the rest of the team capitulated. Tendulkar never even got man of the match in the game he achieved his highest score in England of 193, Dravid's 148 got MOTM.

The icing on the cake is no centuries at Lords, which is something very much valued in the UK and elevates a batsman's status slightly among fans/pundits.

 

[Rajdeep]

Sachin is the greatest batsman since Don Bradman, better than Ponting, Lara, Dravid, Root (lol) or anyone. It is a fact, based on record, stats, opinion of pundits and everything.

Bigotry is only to lap a new batsman every single day to somehow bring Sachin down just bcoz own country couldn't produce a batsman 25% of his calibre.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Sachin is the greatest batsman since Don Bradman, better than Ponting, Lara, Dravid, Root (lol) or anyone. It is a fact, based on record, stats, opinion of pundits and everything.

Bigotry is only to lap a new batsman every single day to somehow bring Sachin down just bcoz own country couldn't produce a batsman 25% of his calibre.

You can see some respected Indian posters also feel Dravid performed better in UK. Will you make the same comments about humiliation to them?

 

[Rajdeep]

LOL who is Lord Cameron? I liked him when he hosted Modi in Wembley Stadium in 2015 but he is no expert in cricket. It is bit like I am quoting you Barack Obama's statement he made about Sachin back in the days.

Looks like you are clutching onto any straws now...Cameron ko bhi nehi chora

Thank you for taking a random Facebook poll done 4 years ago to make your point. You have done a remarkable job.

You know how facebook works right? Just bcoz its Wisden India FB page, it doesn't mean only Indians can vote in it. You don't have to show voter id card in FB

This is what Indians feel about Sachin

 

[Hitman]

Here's the exact same WISDEN rating Sachin Tendulkar the second best ever after Don Bradman -

Wisden rates Tendulkar second best - Times of India

Cricket News: NEW DELHI: Cricket’s Bible, Wisden, has rated batting maestro Sachin Tendulkar as the second greatest Test batsman ever, behind the legendary Sir Don

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

WISDEN selects it's All Time XI -

WG Grace and Shane Warne in Wisden all-time World Test XI

Wisden names WG Grace and Shane Warne in an all-time Test World XI to mark 150 years of the Cricketers' Almanack.

www.bbc.com

The link you provided was the result of a public poll where even Pakistani votes were included

 

[Hitman]

People who actually watch test matches rate Dravid higher in the UK.

He scored centuries for fun against England and often played lone innings while the rest of the team capitulated. Tendulkar never even got man of the match in the game he achieved his highest score in England of 193, Dravid's 148 got MOTM.

The icing on the cake is no centuries at Lords, which is something very much valued in the UK and elevates a batsman's status slightly among fans/pundits.

Except that neither Lara or Ponting does.

While Ajit Agarkar does

 

[Hitman]

This is why I've always maintained that teenagers shouldn't open their mouth about cricketers who played before their time. They simply end up making a fool of themselves.

 

[Rajdeep]

This is why I've always maintained that teenagers shouldn't open their mouth about cricketers who played before their time. They simply end up making a fool of themselves.

Most of it comes from jealousy. In Sachin's case, this jealousy is since eternity.

Looks like Centurion 2003 is still not forgotten.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Except that neither Lara or Ponting does.

While Ajit Agarkar does

And what has that got to do with Tendulkar and Dravid discussion?

We are making a comparison between these two players.

Please show some intelligence if you want to take part in this debate.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

LOL who is Lord Cameron? I liked him when he hosted Modi in Wembley Stadium in 2015 but he is no expert in cricket. It is bit like I am quoting you Barack Obama's statement he made about Sachin back in the days.

Looks like you are clutching onto any straws now...Cameron ko bhi nehi chora

Thank you for taking a random Facebook poll done 4 years ago to make your point. You have done a remarkable job.

You know how facebook works right? Just bcoz its Wisden India FB page, it doesn't mean only Indians can vote in it. You don't have to show voter id card in FB

This is what Indians feel about Sachin

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Indians feel that way about lots of things.

They are entitled to their opinion.

Unfortunately, the difference between you and I is you want everyone to act like those Indians in the image. It won't happen. You are free to kiss Sachin feet but don't force your beliefs on me.

 

[Mamoon]

But none of this will change the fact that David Cameron didn’t even acknowledge his existence. Biggest L for Sachin since the Maria Sharapova “Sachin who?” moment.

 

[Hitman]

And what has that got to do with Tendulkar and Dravid discussion?

We are making a comparison between these two players.

Please show some intelligence if you want to take part in this debate.

It's you who need to show some intelligence. Not scoring a century in some particular venue is no big deal if that player has a stellar record in that country. You know what's a big deal? It's when. a prolific batsman fails to score a century in a major Test playing nation or averages in 20's there after playing multiple Tests there. And prime examples of that are Root, Ponting and Lara.

Root is a joke in Australia, so was Lara in India. Ponting was an even bigger joke in India.

And kindly check Tendulkar's record in England.

And then check yourself in the mirror to confirm whether if you have any shame left.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Here's the exact same WISDEN rating Sachin Tendulkar the second best ever after Don Bradman -

Wisden rates Tendulkar second best - Times of India

Cricket News: NEW DELHI: Cricket’s Bible, Wisden, has rated batting maestro Sachin Tendulkar as the second greatest Test batsman ever, behind the legendary Sir Don

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

WISDEN selects it's All Time XI -

WG Grace and Shane Warne in Wisden all-time World Test XI

Wisden names WG Grace and Shane Warne in an all-time Test World XI to mark 150 years of the Cricketers' Almanack.

www.bbc.com

The link you provided was the result of a public poll where even Pakistani votes were included

I didn't provide a link. Mods moved my post to here.

As I said, you are getting very emotional and taking a scattergun approach.

Please show a breakdown of the poll votes to support your narrative that Sachin won because of Pakistani votes.

Until you can we can only stick with the official results as per historical record Wisden India polled Dravid as higher rated than Tendulkar.

 

[Hitman]

Most of it comes from jealousy. In Sachin's case, this jealousy is since eternity.

Looks like Centurion 2003 is still not forgotten.

It a combination of jealously and inferiority complex. Watching Sachin in almost every All Tmi XI compiled by reputed sources and people in the game has caused it. Along with theatrical, watching their beloved plastic hero Imran Khan rated below Top 10 while watching Sachin always in the Top 5/Top 10 has caused it.

 

[Mamoon]

Pakistan reduced Tendulkar to an ordinary sub 40 averaging batsman in Test cricket. Indian fans should accept this reality.

It is difficult to convince Pakistani fans to be in awe of his greatness when he was not good enough to display it vs Pakistan.

Tendulkar would have had the same legacy as Pujara and Rahane in Test if other teams tamed him like Pakistan did.

 

[Hitman]

I didn't provide a link. Mods moved my post to here.

As I said, you are getting very emotional and taking a scattergun approach.

Please show a breakdown of the poll votes to support your narrative that Sachin won because of Pakistani votes.

Until you can we can only stick with the official results as per historical record Wisden India polled Dravid as higher rated than Tendulkar.

Awwwww ..... I provided the link to what WISDEN thinks. You provided evidence oif what random voters think.

I know what holds more credibility.

 

[shaz619]

The poll is not the only thing he is going to lose soon

 

[DeadlyVenom]

It's you who need to show some intelligence. Not scoring a century in some particular venue is no big deal if that player has a stellar record in that country. You know what's a big deal? It's when. a prolific batsman fails to score a century in a major Test playing nation or averages in 20's there after playing multiple Tests there. And prime examples of that are Root, Ponting and Lara.

Root is a joke in Australia, so was Lara in India. Ponting was an even bigger joke in India.

And kindly check Tendulkar's record in England.

And then check yourself in the mirror to confirm whether if you have any shame left.

The topic is not Root or Ponting. Despite your deflection.

One poster asked another why ex British PM would rate Dravid and not Tendulkar.

I merely gave an explanation related to those two players to explain Cameron's perspective and explained that even during Tendulkars big moment in England, Dravid overshadowed him. If you show some intelligence you will see what is meant by the Lords honour board comment too. People remember these knocks because they make an impact at the time and get attention.

This is how discussions take place without abuse or distraction.

 

[Hitman]

The topic is not Root or Ponting. Despite your deflection.

One poster asked another why ex British PM would rate Dravid and not Tendulkar.

I merely gave an explanation related to those two players to explain Cameron's perspective and explained that even during Tendulkars big moment in England, Dravid overshadowed him. If you show some intelligence you will see what is meant by the Lords honour board comment too. People remember these knocks because they make an impact at the time and get attention.

This is how discussions take place without abuse or distraction.

So you agree that Ajit Agarkar has more honor than Brian Lara and Ricky Ponting?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Awwwww ..... I provided the link to what WISDEN thinks. You provided evidence oif what random voters think.

I know what holds more credibility.

Wisden doesn't "think". Its a print collection of opinions. You can say such an such article in Wisden states, or like I have done state that Wisden India poll states.

But if you want to go down the route of what Wisden "thinks". How about the fact that Wisden thought that none of the Sachin innings ever were good enough to make it into the all time great knocks in cricket.

Controversy​

Despite his highly impressive career record, not one of Sachin Tendulkar's innings appeared in the top 100 batting performances. His omission was strongly criticised by fans and many sections of the media in India.[3] Wisden defended the list stating that performances which made a major contribution to victory received a much larger weighting than those in which the match was drawn or lost. Tendulkar's most important innings had usually come in draws and defeats, and therefore received a lower weighting.[4]

Wisden 100 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Above is the wikipedia entry

 

[Rajdeep]

Indians feel that way about lots of things.

They are entitled to their opinion.

Unfortunately, the difference between you and I is you want everyone to act like those Indians in the image. It won't happen. You are free to kiss Sachin feet but don't force your beliefs on me.

No one asked you to do that. Why would you do that to a foreign cricketer anyway? But don't come with absurd statements like no one in UK rates him based on statements from David Cameroon. Then say opinions of Sir Don Bradman and Richie Benaud is irrelevant as they are Aussies. Then use a Facebook page voting to substantiate your points that Dravid was better than him. You can just say I want to troll this monday morning...then everyone will leave you alone. I understand in your country you don't respect your ex cricketers & legends and even jail some of them but we in India do, let it be Dravid or Sachin. Each on their own.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Yep, Dravid over Tendulkar for me as well . With Brian Charles Lara owning both of them.