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[Reports] UAE to be considered as co-host for the ICC Champions Trophy 2025 amidst India's travel concerns and the return of the 'Hybrid Model'

Rana said:
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This is why education is very important even for cricketers .
 
cricketjoshila said:
Because security is an issue.

Other countries are not in a state of war with pakistan for nearly 75 years. With having fought 3 declared wars.

UN sanctioned terrorists that live in Pakistan are known to target India.
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lol India is not in a state of war with Pakistan. You haven’t been since 1999
 
Pakistani government and PCB needs to have a bit more long term thinking. Host the champions trophy without india. Make less money. It's fine. But when all the other countries come and tour, and there are no security issues, then what justification will India have after that to avoid touring? They will be exposed as war-mongering frauds, and their own people will start asking why they aren't touring when every other country is the world is there. The absolute worst thing they can do is go hybrid again, because then it just allows the Indian media to continue painting the false picture that they are not going to be safe in Pakistan which is complete nonsense.
 
adil_909 said:
Pakistani government and PCB needs to have a bit more long term thinking. Host the champions trophy without india. Make less money. It's fine. But when all the other countries come and tour, and there are no security issues, then what justification will India have after that to avoid touring? They will be exposed as war-mongering frauds, and their own people will start asking why they aren't touring when every other country is the world is there. The absolute worst thing they can do is go hybrid again, because then it just allows the Indian media to continue painting the false picture that they are not going to be safe in Pakistan which is complete nonsense.
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Complete Nonsense???, Hello ,Atal Ji come to ur country thinking peace and not to warmonger and what did he get in return. Biggest backstabbing and nose cut from ur rulers. And Now your telling us to believe the same so called Rulers of ur country to provide security to our team when their popularity is low.
They will do anything to keep hold of their power and what's easy to do is raise fear of war with india by attacking the Indian team using proxies.
 
Ur Rulers doesn't care about your people itself, do u think they are going to care about not having cricket for decade or 2
 
adil_909 said:
Pakistani government and PCB needs to have a bit more long term thinking. Host the champions trophy without india. Make less money. It's fine. But when all the other countries come and tour, and there are no security issues, then what justification will India have after that to avoid touring? They will be exposed as war-mongering frauds, and their own people will start asking why they aren't touring when every other country is the world is there. The absolute worst thing they can do is go hybrid again, because then it just allows the Indian media to continue painting the false picture that they are not going to be safe in Pakistan which is complete nonsense.
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I'm not sure why Pakistani fans keep going on about 'exposing' India by hosting the tournament without them. Exposing to whom?

- Indian fans by a massive majority don't want India to tour Pakistan. They couldn't care less what official reason the government gives for disallowing permission to tour - security or hostile nation

- Pakistani fans dislike India anyway. Doubt India's refusal to tour is going to expose anything to them. If this forum is anything to go by, Pakistani fans don't want Pakistan to travel to India either

- All other cricket fans think that India and Pakistan hate each other and are almost at war. A cricket team not traveling is not going to expose anything. Only reinforce their feelings.
 
cricketjoshila said:
It is. It has been since 1947. There are regular firing of area weapons along the loc. Regularly pakistanis are found infiltrating in Kashmir.
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WHat does it have to do with UAE being Co host for the Champions trophy and this thread???

PLease do not derail the thread with irrelevant stuff. ALL
 
adil_909 said:
Pakistani government and PCB needs to have a bit more long term thinking. Host the champions trophy without india. Make less money. It's fine. But when all the other countries come and tour, and there are no security issues, then what justification will India have after that to avoid touring? They will be exposed as war-mongering frauds, and their own people will start asking why they aren't touring when every other country is the world is there. The absolute worst thing they can do is go hybrid again, because then it just allows the Indian media to continue painting the false picture that they are not going to be safe in Pakistan which is complete nonsense.
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It's not about pakistan making less money. All ICC members will lose 70-80 per cent of their ICC revenue share for the year. They will have to agree to take the losses.

It doesn't matter which country tours Pakistan. They are not in a state of war with Pakistan. They haven't fought 4 wars with pakistan. UN sanctioned terrorists that live and thrive in Pakistan target India. So there's no comparison.

Indians will ask why we are boycotting Pakistan. IDK what you talking about.
 
BouncerGuy said:
WHat does it have to do with UAE being Co host for the Champions trophy and this thread???

PLease do not derail the thread with irrelevant stuff. ALL
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UAE is co host because India isn't visiting. The reason for that is what i mentioned.
 
This thread is about UAE and Champions trophy. Nothing to do with India Pakistan wars and stuff...
 
Red-Indian said:
I'm not sure why Pakistani fans keep going on about 'exposing' India by hosting the tournament without them. Exposing to whom?

- Indian fans by a massive majority don't want India to tour Pakistan. They couldn't care less what official reason the government gives for disallowing permission to tour - security or hostile nation

- Pakistani fans dislike India anyway. Doubt India's refusal to tour is going to expose anything to them. If this forum is anything to go by, Pakistani fans don't want Pakistan to travel to India either

- All other cricket fans think that India and Pakistan hate each other and are almost at war. A cricket team not traveling is not going to expose anything. Only reinforce their feelings.
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I will never understand "expose to whom" ?
 
cricketjoshila said:
UAE isn't the host yet. It may be the host if India refuses to visit Pakistan.

What is the reason of refusal?
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Not 1947 or 1965 or 1971 wars.

BCCI may fear security issues or the GOI is not allowing them due to political reasons as we all know. This is not new. India is not willing to visit Pakistan for almost 2 decades now.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Not 1947 or 1965 or 1971 wars.

BCCI may fear security issues or the GOI is not allowing them due to political reasons as we all know. This is not new. India is not willing to visit Pakistan for almost 2 decades now.
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Its all part of where we stand today. Indo Pak relationship cannot be looked at in isolation of what happened in 2 decades.

Its an ongoing issue since partition.
 
I can't believe this fake bravado and chest thumping has returned once again for the exact same scenario.

I thought Asia cup 2023 and World cup 2023 were enough to show everyone where they stand in the scheme of things.
 
@Rajdeep whatever you said is not true but still to some extent im agreed with you. But you ignore most important things.

All the countries that have visited Pakistan recently have not suffered terrorist attacks from terrorists like Kasab, who were trained and financed by Pakistan. Don't compare India to other nations. If India don't feel safe sending their cricket team to Pakistan. Why force them?

Same for pakistan if they think india is responsible for attack against them .
 
arunp said:
1. Absence of evidence does not mean evidence of absence: These contracts are not public. If they are, happy to read it and analyse it. But the above article and Rajeev Shukla's statement is more proof than you have ever presented. So unless you have better proof, you better accept what @rpant_gabba and I are telling you. Your opinions are complete hearsay eg but I am sure BCCIs leverage in ICC now is way more.
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There are no contracts that can force India to play Pakistan. You are simply clutching the straws just bcoz you have been cornered.

Does the contract also state that both the team have to be on the same group?

Are you saying we play with them in every ICC event since 2007 and always in the same group bcoz of a contract that is not in public? What a silly & foolish argument this is.:ROFLMAO:


arunp said:
2. Again way to deflect the point. We were talking about ICC events. (WC, CT and WTC) and you have gone silent on WTC contracts and deflecting the point
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The point is about selective picking of when and where to play Pakistan.

So not sure how Asia cup is deflection of the point when Jay Shah being the president ensures India & Pakistan is in the same group in every ACC Asia cup that guarantees minimum of 2 matches. Not only that we book a reserve day for that game only. Don't we think about our soldiers, martyrs etc for that tourney.

Look lets cut the chase as this is getting all too silly. You and I know both know the answer that all of this is done keeping bank accounts in mind. Asia cup will be a massive flop without Ind-Pak game and hence we opt to play with them in that tournament. Similarly, Ind v Pak generates most revenue in world cups, ICC puts that match every year and BCCI/GOI also don't object. If anything, we glorify those games. However, after IPL...we have no monetary incentive to play Pakistan in bilaterals and hence we don't. It is as simple as that but so funny to see you guys embarrassingly try to defend here by saying contractual obligations and using all excuses like GOI permissions, dying soldiers, martyrs etc

arunp said:
3. Either you play everywhere or don't play with them at all. That is your opinion and I would have respected it. But the statement "These selective nature only makes us look hypocrites" is precisely the reason @rpant_gabba and I accuse you of being infected with Nehru virus. We need to do what we think is right. Doing it because others think it is right is precisely the definition of inferiority complex.

As far as what to do, it is GoI's policy to not play with Pakistan, unless India is contractually obligated with third party. It is the same policy USA had during cold war. Both @rpant_gabba and I feel we should not play with Pakistan anywhere. But making our policy choices based on foreign approval is wrong.
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The meaning of hypocrisy is what one believes in but does exactly opposite.

BCCI says GOI don't want to play Pakistan bcoz they send terrorists to kill our soliders & civilians. Fair enough and I agree.

Then we go onto play with them in every ICC & ACC events. Not only we play but hype up that game to an extent that we postpone opening ceremony of a world cup for a week to host it only prior to that game, have extra rain reserve day only for that match.

So the stance of not playing Pakistan unless cross border terrorism stops almost takes a back seat when it comes to ICC & ACC events. Then from the very next day we shout that there should be no cricket match with Pakistan unless terrorism stops and this chest thumping continues until next world event comes up. This cycle then continues every year like a while loop in python code and been continuing since 2007.

This is actually the definition of hypocrisy. Admit it or not, that is a different story.
 
Devadwal said:
@Rajdeep whatever you said is not true but still to some extent im agreed with you. But you ignore most important things.

All the countries that have visited Pakistan recently have not suffered terrorist attacks from terrorists like Kasab, who were trained and financed by Pakistan. Don't compare India to other nations. If India don't feel safe sending their cricket team to Pakistan. Why force them?

Same for pakistan if they think india is responsible for attack against them .
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Recently Rohit Sharma also said along similar lines that if we can play with them in ICC events, don't see much different playing in bilateral tests. Again, this is not his exact words...so don't hold me for it but he said along similar lines in an interview with Gilly & Vaughan. I am 100% sure most of our cricketers are aware of this hypocritical arrangement but don't speak out for obvious reason.
 
ICC is never going to run an ICC event without India, everyone's share will get affected negatively. The pressure will be far too great from all ICC members and PCB will come under pressure to accept the hybrid model.
 
I said it before, I am saying it again.

If PCB can convince other boards and ICC they should go ahead and Play the CT without India.

PCB should meet corporates and pakistani businessmen around the world and try to arrange the finances.
 
cricketjoshila said:
I said it before, I am saying it again.

If PCB can convince other boards and ICC they should go ahead and Play the CT without India.

PCB should meet corporates and pakistani businessmen around the world and try to arrange the finances.
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I want the same.
 
cricketjoshila said:
I said it before, I am saying it again.

If PCB can convince other boards and ICC they should go ahead and Play the CT without India.

PCB should meet corporates and pakistani businessmen around the world and try to arrange the finances.
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In fact, Pakistan has a slight headstart there. Most of the countries are probably a little humiliated by and chafing under India and BCCI's oversized influence on cricket. If Pakistan can find a way to guarantee only small loss (say get them 80% of their allocation) and do some deft diplomacy, it might be able to convince them to sacrifice and play the CT without India.

I'm sure BCCI will find some way to replace the revenue for itself. Maybe an All-Star game, maybe a mini-IPL.

Everybody's a winner (except perhaps fans like me who like to watch India-Pakistan games).
 
Red-Indian said:
In fact, Pakistan has a slight headstart there. Most of the countries are probably a little humiliated by and chafing under India and BCCI's oversized influence on cricket. If Pakistan can find a way to guarantee only small loss (say get them 80% of their allocation) and do some deft diplomacy, it might be able to convince them to sacrifice and play the CT without India.

I'm sure BCCI will find some way to replace the revenue for itself. Maybe an All-Star game, maybe a mini-IPL.

Everybody's a winner (except perhaps fans like me who like to watch India-Pakistan games).
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ICC will supposedly earn $600mn from its annual event.

Now if India doesn't play this amount will go down by 70 per cent to 80 per cent.

That's around $420mn to $480mn.

Since India will not participate, you can deduct their share that's $230mn from this.

So deficit is $ 190mn to $250mm.

PCB should be able to sacrifice their share so that they can host the tournament. That's $34.5mn.

Deficit now comes down to

$155mn to $215mn.

PCB needs to find sponsorship and Govt help of around 200mn max and 140mn minimum.

This can very well be done.
 
Savak said:
ICC is never going to run an ICC event without India, everyone's share will get affected negatively. The pressure will be far too great from all ICC members and PCB will come under pressure to accept the hybrid model.
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For once BCCI must actually pull out and make them grovel. Sadist? Yes. But fun :kapil
 
Its the same arguments over 7 pages :facepalm:. Even PCB has accepted the fact that its a hybrid model which was known all along. This should be decided in future during tournament allocation.

And there is no option to just hold this one event without India, the broadcasters would definitely sue and try to renegotiate the entire rights package massively dropping from the current 3 billion bid.

Which means everyone's income share will be hit massively including BCCI.
 
cricketjoshila said:
ICC will supposedly earn $600mn from its annual event.

Now if India doesn't play this amount will go down by 70 per cent to 80 per cent.

That's around $420mn to $480mn.

Since India will not participate, you can deduct their share that's $230mn from this.

So deficit is $ 190mn to $250mm.

PCB should be able to sacrifice their share so that they can host the tournament. That's $34.5mn.

Deficit now comes down to

$155mn to $215mn.

PCB needs to find sponsorship and Govt help of around 200mn max and 140mn minimum.

This can very well be done.
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Yes. I would've done this calculation slightly differently but would've ended up in the same range. The problem is that the number seems both reachable and unrealistic at the same time for the PCB. It's way less than the value of India Domestic rights for ICC events i.e $600m but for context PCB has apparently sold PSL rights for $26m so it's a massive jump. As you say, overseas Pakistani investors will probably need to get involved.
 
UAE is possibly the 2nd best option ahead of Bangladesh/Srilanka. Anyway UAE was home for Pakistan not so long ago. Pakistan has a better chance against India at UAE due to toss factor.
 
oatmeal said:
Its the same arguments over 7 pages :facepalm:. Even PCB has accepted the fact that its a hybrid model which was known all along. This should be decided in future during tournament allocation.

And there is no option to just hold this one event without India, the broadcasters would definitely sue and try to renegotiate the entire rights package massively dropping from the current 3 billion bid.

Which means everyone's income share will be hit massively including BCCI.
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It will go over to 70 pages with the same chest thumping. Facts are facts, posters here get bombastic as they are not writing a check here. And as you said even PCB knows it ill be a hybrid. PCB will do anything to have Ind even if its a hybrid mode. And I mean anything. Posters have seen it repeatedly - asia cup, odi wc etc and they still live in denial.
 
cricketjoshila said:
It's not about pakistan making less money. All ICC members will lose 70-80 per cent of their ICC revenue share for the year. They will have to agree to take the losses.

It doesn't matter which country tours Pakistan. They are not in a state of war with Pakistan. They haven't fought 4 wars with pakistan. UN sanctioned terrorists that live and thrive in Pakistan target India. So there's no comparison.

Indians will ask why we are boycotting Pakistan. IDK what you talking about.
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This is such an important point, and every Pakistani needs to understand this loud and clear.

The biggest threat to India is not that they come to Pakistan and get targeted.

The biggest thread to India is that they come to Pakistan, nothing bad happens, the tournament is a success, and their team goes home in peace.

Authoritarian dictators and demagogues like Modi constantly need someone to blame, and something they can scare the public with. This fear leads to control, and leads to people being being to tolerate targeting of "others" in order to feel safe themselves. That is precisely what is happening. If India tours Pakistan and nothing happens to them, the fascade is lifted and the rhetoric falls flat. Modi would rather everyone believe the lies he tells about his team's safety in Pakistan, because it gives him more power and control. He has nothing to gain by sending his team to Pakistan and have the tournament go on with no issues. That would actually make his government look worse because it exposes the lies. So it's much better for them to either not come, or to do a hybrid model, both of which still allows them to maintain their lies and deception.

Maybe one day humans will evolve beyond this type of thinking, but in 2024, it is alive and well for everyone to see.

The absolute DUMBEST thing Pakistan can do is to go with a hybrid model. Either cancel the tournament, or play it in Pakistan without India. Have some self respect and some intelligence. See what games they are trying to play with you and try to counter instead of being beggers chasing after $$$$
 
adil_909 said:
This is such an important point, and every Pakistani needs to understand this loud and clear.

The biggest threat to India is not that they come to Pakistan and get targeted.

The biggest thread to India is that they come to Pakistan, nothing bad happens, the tournament is a success, and their team goes home in peace.

Authoritarian dictators and demagogues like Modi constantly need someone to blame, and something they can scare the public with. This fear leads to control, and leads to people being being to tolerate targeting of "others" in order to feel safe themselves. That is precisely what is happening. If India tours Pakistan and nothing happens to them, the fascade is lifted and the rhetoric falls flat. Modi would rather everyone believe the lies he tells about his team's safety in Pakistan, because it gives him more power and control. He has nothing to gain by sending his team to Pakistan and have the tournament go on with no issues. That would actually make his government look worse because it exposes the lies. So it's much better for them to either not come, or to do a hybrid model, both of which still allows them to maintain their lies and deception.

Maybe one day humans will evolve beyond this type of thinking, but in 2024, it is alive and well for everyone to see.

The absolute DUMBEST thing Pakistan can do is to go with a hybrid model. Either cancel the tournament, or play it in Pakistan without India. Have some self respect and some intelligence. See what games they are trying to play with you and try to counter instead of being beggers chasing after $$$$
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Indian teams haven't toured Pakistan since 2008.

It was the congress government that banned it not Modi.

Indians don't need Modi to tell them that Pakistan is a hostile country. Everyone can read history and watch the present unfold.

There are no lies. Indian team's security may not be guaranteed in Pakistan. It doesn't mean an attack will happen. It means there is high risk of an attack. And Indian team doesn't need to risk this.

May be one day pakistanis will stop poking their nose in Kashmir and stop hating Hindus.

Pakistan cannot cancel the tournament. Pakistan cannot decide whether India plays or not. Its ICC's tournament.
 
Shoaib Malik during an interview with a local YouTube channel emphasized the need for politics-free cricket and stated that India should come to Pakistan:

“Whatever reservations there are between the countries, that’s a separate issue and should be solved separately. Politics shouldn’t come into sports. The Pakistan team went to India last year, and now it’s a good opportunity for the Indian team too,”

“I think there are many players in the Indian team who haven’t played in Pakistan, so it would be great for them. We are good people. We’re very hospitable people, so I’m sure the Indian team should come,”
 
If it becomes a matter of national pride then Pak establishment should step in give PCB some subsidy to host CT in Pakistan and makeup for lost revenue.
 
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In fact, Pakistan has a slight headstart there. Most of the countries are probably a little humiliated by and chafing under India and BCCI's oversized influence on cricket. If Pakistan can find a way to guarantee only small loss (say get them 80% of their allocation) and do some deft diplomacy, it might be able to convince them to sacrifice and play the CT without India.

I'm sure BCCI will find some way to replace the revenue for itself. Maybe an All-Star game, maybe a mini-IPL.

Everybody's a winner (except perhaps fans like me who like to watch India-Pakistan games).
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It will be interesting conversation with IMF as Pak goes to them with a begging bowl for $1B while proving subsidy of $200M for a niche sport.
 
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Kianig89 said:
If it becomes a matter of national pride then Pak Fpouj should step in give PCB some subsidy to host CT in Pakistan and makeup for lost revenue.i
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It's a fair idea. $200m if that's what it takes is about 2.5% of Pakistan's military budge. If the Pakistan army we're willing to make the sacrifice, you could easily afford to host the Champions Trophy in Pakistan leaving out India and paying all the other teams their share.

Radical but possible. In practical terms, I think it would probably mean every soldier in the army being willing to forgo a salary increase for the year to support Pakistan's self-esteem. They wouldn't have to give up their salary only the increase.
 
Rajdeep said:
There are no contracts that can force India to play Pakistan. You are simply clutching the straws just bcoz you have been cornered.
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Either furbish a proof!!

Rajdeep said:
You are simply clutching the straws just bcoz you have been cornered.
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What cornered. You fail to present and proof and you talk about cornered...


Rajdeep said:
The meaning of hypocrisy is what one believes in but does exactly opposite.
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Only fools and weak people want to live in a world which is consistent. Second if it is hypocritical to Indians, I respect it. You care far too concerned about how India and BCCI appears to the rest of world.
Rajdeep said:
So the stance of not playing Pakistan unless cross border terrorism stops almost takes a back seat when it comes to ICC & ACC events.
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I believe it is due to contractual obligations, unless you have a proof to the contrary. The only alternative is to not play them and forfeit the trophy/points. I would prefer forfeiting the trophy. GoI comes to a different conclusion.

Rajdeep said:
Then from the very next day we shout that there should be no cricket match with Pakistan unless terrorism stops and this chest thumping continues until next world event comes up. This cycle then continues every year like a while loop in python code and been continuing since 2007.
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I have said it multiple times, we substitute cricket field for a battle field. if news channels could live telecast the war, we would see chest thumping during the live telecast and peaceniks crying about the lives lost due to the war the next day.
I would prefer if GoI did not play with Pakistan, but it is not my call to make. News media etc will try to sell the event as best as they can. Calling it war without weapons, bhaichara etc.

I would not expect you to understand complex issues like policy. So let's leave it at it.
 
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I'm not sure why Pakistani fans keep going on about 'exposing' India by hosting the tournament without them. Exposing to whom?

- Indian fans by a massive majority don't want India to tour Pakistan. They couldn't care less what official reason the government gives for disallowing permission to tour - security or hostile nation

- Pakistani fans dislike India anyway. Doubt India's refusal to tour is going to expose anything to them. If this forum is anything to go by, Pakistani fans don't want Pakistan to travel to India either

- All other cricket fans think that India and Pakistan hate each other and are almost at war. A cricket team not traveling is not going to expose anything. Only reinforce their feelings.
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Do indian fans dislike Pakistan, what are their opinions on indian forums?
 
guard said:
Do indian fans dislike Pakistan, what are their opinions on indian forums?
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I for one like to like to eliminate ambiguity.

In its current state, the importance of who brings what to the table is unclear.

A clear delineation is necessary. Ct should happen w/o India. India should organize a competing mini IPL during the same time. I'm sure they can get some International players to choose it over CT.

If CT is massive success, BCCI can be ignored.

If its not, BCCI can choose the best path forward
 
deltexas said:
It will go over to 70 pages with the same chest thumping. Facts are facts, posters here get bombastic as they are not writing a check here. And as you said even PCB knows it ill be a hybrid. PCB will do anything to have Ind even if its a hybrid mode. And I mean anything. Posters have seen it repeatedly - asia cup, odi wc etc and they still live in denial.
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Chest thumping is happening more from Indian fans tbh. People on this thread talk like BCCI is paying each Indian citizen to be a fan of the sport.

The money in the sport is great for cricket development in India and to encourage youngsters to take up the sport as a viable career, end of. There are only so many ways people can boast that Indian cricket has more money than Pakistan cricket, which every discerning fan is already aware of.

Even premier league and nba nfl fans don't talk about player and broadcasting contracts so much lol
 
oatmeal said:
Chest thumping is happening more from Indian fans tbh. People on this thread talk like BCCI is paying each Indian citizen to be a fan of the sport.

The money in the sport is great for cricket development in India and to encourage youngsters to take up the sport as a viable career, end of. There are only so many ways people can boast that Indian cricket has more money than Pakistan cricket, which every discerning fan is already aware of.

Even premier league and nba nfl fans don't talk about player and broadcasting contracts so much lol
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NBA and Premier league don't fund the sport internationally and in particular to dushman mulk

As immy69 said, I want to see the ICC dissolved. Enough of a $2.4K GDP/capita country funding sport in developed countries like IRE/NED/SA etc and funding countries with poor relations
 
PCB is struggling to get a price of $21 million for 3 years with foreign broadcasters for their jam packed home season in Pakistan.

There is no way they will risk putting the Champions Trophy pay at risk by upsetting India to the point of no return
 
Savak said:
PCB is struggling to get a price of $21 million for 3 years with foreign broadcasters for their jam packed home season in Pakistan.

There is no way they will risk putting the Champions Trophy pay at risk by upsetting India to the point of no return
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So the news is true that PCB is finding it hard to get a broadcaster at reserve price.
 
cricketjoshila said:
So the news is true that PCB is finding it hard to get a broadcaster at reserve price.
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Yup

They have had 3 bids, in the second bid the highest offer they received was $7.8 million for 3 years. The PCB then decided to do the next series with Willow for a one series deal and then decided to try their luck a few months later.

In the current Bid the PCB hasn't even received an offer of $4 million for 3 years now.
 
Savak said:
Yup

They have had 3 bids, in the second bid the highest offer they received was $7.8 million for 3 years. The PCB then decided to do the next series with Willow for a one series deal and then decided to try their luck a few months later.

In the current Bid the PCB hasn't even received an offer of $4 million for 3 years now.
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4mn per year or 4mn for entire 3 years?

What is the reserve price?

Can you link me to a proper source? Want to read in details.
 
Savak said:
Yup

They have had 3 bids, in the second bid the highest offer they received was $7.8 million for 3 years. The PCB then decided to do the next series with Willow for a one series deal and then decided to try their luck a few months later.

In the current Bid the PCB hasn't even received an offer of $4 million for 3 years now.
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I am no expert in cricket finance but these numbers looking very low to me.

Pak players really need to perform better.
That unpredictable tag isn't helping. Consistent good results may improve the situation.
 
Savak said:
To be honest, it's all on the Pakistani players, who wants to pay for a losing team. Eventually the broadcasters were going to tell the PCB some much needed harsh truths.
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plus poor pitches plus dying interest in test cricket plus lack of rivalry
 
When you a clown and shrewd person like Naqvi as a PCB chairman anything possible even if the tournament shifts to India nothing surprise. Money talks. You can even get away with big crime or killing.
 
rpant_gabba said:
yes, those fair days of Eng/Aus veto.
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why is the rest of message being edited out?

In those "fair" "principled" (not principal) days

two countries decided who can and cannot play the game at the highest level

Each country had to fund the sport. No opportunity to loot one country and blame it for every thing.

most players had to have "main" job.

At this point, I'm all for going back to that.
 
Savak said:
$4 million for 3 years.
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what exactly are we talking about?

Pak broadcasting rights for its home season?

$4M for 3 years? less than $1M/year total?

That is like angel investor type money.

are you sure?

If this is true, and if its out int he public, BCCI would be aware of it too. They are really going to put the screws on PCB now.

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I'm guessing, its information from these events
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The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has started the tendering process for the acquisition of television broadcast media and live-streaming rights for Pakistan region for Pakistan’s bilateral series and other international events from August 2024 to December 2026.

In this regard, the interested parties are invited to obtain the relevant information by July 16. The interested parties are instructed to submit the proposals in sealed envelopes by or before July 19 latest by 11.00am PST. The technical proposals for the television broadcast will be opened on the same day at 11.30am at the PCB offices, a spokesman of the board, said.

For the live-streaming, the interested parties may submit the ITT documents by 3.00pm pst on 19th July, which will then be opened at 3.30pm PST the same day.

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PCB starts tendering process for TV broadcast rights

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rpant_gabba said:
what exactly are we talking about?

Pak broadcasting rights for its home season?

$4M for 3 years? less than $1M/year total?

That is like angel investor type money.

are you sure?

If this is true, and if its out int he public, BCCI would be aware of it too. They are really going to put the screws on PCB now.

🍿

I'm guessing, its information from these events

www.brecorder.com

PCB starts tendering process for TV broadcast rights

LAHORE: The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has started the tendering process for the acquisition of television...
www.brecorder.com
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There are midlevel techies making that much in total compensation in the valley.

Is pak economy that bad?
 
rpant_gabba said:
what exactly are we talking about?

Pak broadcasting rights for its home season?

$4M for 3 years? less than $1M/year total?

That is like angel investor type money.

are you sure?

If this is true, and if its out int he public, BCCI would be aware of it too. They are really going to put the screws on PCB now.

🍿

I'm guessing, its information from these events

www.brecorder.com

PCB starts tendering process for TV broadcast rights

LAHORE: The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has started the tendering process for the acquisition of television...
www.brecorder.com
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The highest bid was $7.85mn for 3 years according to
tribune.com.pk

PCB's media rights bid fails to meet expectations | The Express Tribune

Sports Five offered the highest bid of $7.8m which is not even half of what was expected
tribune.com.pk tribune.com.pk
 
Pak as country is facing a lot of challenges. Pak cricket team is not exactly setting the field on fire and PCB living on ICC (india's) contributions

Yet, you wouldn't know it by the way PCB officials, some Pak cricketers (current and Past) and media commentators behave.

wonder what it will be like dealing with them if they had any kinda of power.

All the more reason for BCCI to never hand any leverage to PCB ever.
 
rpant_gabba said:
Pak as country is facing a lot of challenges. Pak cricket team is not exactly setting the field on fire and PCB living on ICC (india's) contributions

Yet, you wouldn't know it by the way PCB officials, some Pak cricketers (current and Past) and media commentators behave.

wonder what it will be like dealing with them if they had any kinda of power.

All the more reason for BCCI to never hand any leverage to PCB ever.
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I wouldn't paint the PCB in such a negative light.

They have been quite helpful over the years including with Sri Lanka. This includes helping Sri Lankan cricket when it was dealing with terrorism and helping them with their Test status.

They also helped Afghanistan in the early 2010s with technical and high-performance cricketing support (coaching, courses).

These are just some examples where they had leverage.
 
rpant_gabba said:
Pak as country is facing a lot of challenges. Pak cricket team is not exactly setting the field on fire and PCB living on ICC (india's) contributions

Yet, you wouldn't know it by the way PCB officials, some Pak cricketers (current and Past) and media commentators behave.

wonder what it will be like dealing with them if they had any kinda of power.

All the more reason for BCCI to never hand any leverage to PCB ever.
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The irony of this question seems to be lost on you 😂 It would be the way BCCI deals with Pakistan today
 
kingusama92 said:
I wouldn't paint the PCB in such a negative light.

They have been quite helpful over the years including with Sri Lanka. This includes helping Sri Lankan cricket when it was dealing with terrorism and helping them with their Test status.

They also helped Afghanistan in the early 2010s with technical and high-performance cricketing support (coaching, courses).

These are just some examples where they had leverage.
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I guess I should have been bit more specific in my post. I meant PCB-BCCI relations

Pak and SL sealed their relation when Pak beat india to help SL out during a failed coup in 1970

en.wikipedia.org

1971 JVP insurrection - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

Pak-Afg relation has another dimension again.

Neither SL nor Afg were trying for parity with Pak nor where they trying headaches for PCB.

BCCI-PCB is a different ballgame
 
offstump said:
The irony of this question seems to be lost on you 😂 It would be the way BCCI deals with Pakistan today
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Nah, I think it would have been order of magnitude worse. Prime examples of this are PCB behavior post WC92 (when they had some leverage)and post 26/11 attacks in India (when they thought they had leverage)
 
rpant_gabba said:
Pak as country is facing a lot of challenges. Pak cricket team is not exactly setting the field on fire and PCB living on ICC (india's) contributions

Yet, you wouldn't know it by the way PCB officials, some Pak cricketers (current and Past) and media commentators behave.

wonder what it will be like dealing with them if they had any kinda of power.

All the more reason for BCCI to never hand any leverage to PCB ever.
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I know someone who invested $1 million in a big commercial Plaza 2 years ago. For two years the entire plaza was vacant and not a single Pakistani tenant was interested and the ones who were approached including some big Pakistani names said things were tough and they couldn't afford the commercial rents.

After two years they were able to find a big foreign multi national company who agreed to rent demanded.

Pakistani economy is in the dumps right now and the government, relevant stakeholders have zero answers or vision on how to fix things.
 
offstump said:
The irony of this question seems to be lost on you 😂 It would be the way BCCI deals with Pakistan today
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GoI and BCCI are inflicted with Gandhi/Nehru virus as @rpant_gabba has so aptly named. Majority of indians want BCCI and GoI to
1. At the very minimum forfeit games
2. Get PCB out of ICC.
PCB refused to tour India on the pretext of Babri Masjid. I do not remember BCCI/GoI taking a stand about Pakistan's internal affairs.
So as far as comparison goes, BCCI/GoI has a lot of statecraft to learn from PCB/Pakistan.
 
rpant_gabba said:
That is still in the angel investor range.

Hell my company just raised 10 times that amount and we are a 30 employee startup
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OTOH Pakistan does not have a diaspora as large and as prosperous as India. Like you mentioned they are making boring pitches, losing against England, Australia and NZ C team at home. I am surprised there was a bid of $7.85 mn.

This also segways me into something this community often reminisces about. ECB/CA stewardship of cricket. I would want people to consider how cricket has been relegated to second class citizen in Australia, England and South Africa. BCCI has been doing a very commendable job in comparison for the spread of the game in other parts of the world.
 
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Savak said:
Yup

They have had 3 bids, in the second bid the highest offer they received was $7.8 million for 3 years. The PCB then decided to do the next series with Willow for a one series deal and then decided to try their luck a few months later.

In the current Bid the PCB hasn't even received an offer of $4 million for 3 years now.
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Something's off. Pakistan and the PCB are definitely not doing this right.

Pakistan has about 250m folks...let's call it 50 million households. Let's also say only 5% of the households are willing to pay to watch cricket. The rest want it free on PTV.

It should be possible to get $1 a month - PKR280 from these 2.5m households for $30m a year. Add to that revenue from advertising and overseas Pakistani who're interested in Pakistan cricket and cricket should be able to pull in $50m annually in broadcast rights between PSL, Pakistan domestic and ICC events. Of these only PSL is anywhere close to it's fair share.

Keep in mind Pakistan is a single sport country and the public has limited other entertainment options - not much of a movie or streaming industry.

For context, I live in India and spend about $25 a month across multiple streaming services - Jio, Prime, Hotstar, Netflix, Sony, Spotify and YouTube premium. Probably $7-8 of that is driven by cricket.
 
The whole thread has been derailed. This thread is not about Indo-Pak and sri lanka relations in 1971 etc etc.

Please stay on topic.
 
arunp said:
Either furbish a proof!!


What cornered. You fail to present and proof and you talk about cornered...



Only fools and weak people want to live in a world which is consistent. Second if it is hypocritical to Indians, I respect it. You care far too concerned about how India and BCCI appears to the rest of world.

I believe it is due to contractual obligations, unless you have a proof to the contrary. The only alternative is to not play them and forfeit the trophy/points. I would prefer forfeiting the trophy. GoI comes to a different conclusion.


I have said it multiple times, we substitute cricket field for a battle field. if news channels could live telecast the war, we would see chest thumping during the live telecast and peaceniks crying about the lives lost due to the war the next day.
I would prefer if GoI did not play with Pakistan, but it is not my call to make. News media etc will try to sell the event as best as they can. Calling it war without weapons, bhaichara etc.

I would not expect you to understand complex issues like policy. So let's leave it at it.
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What contractual obligation? There are no such contracts. And even if there was, government restrictions is a force majeure.

India plays Pakistan in ICC because not playing Pakistan in ICC means gifting them two points and helping them. Boycott is to hurt them not help them.

Secondly not playing Pakistan in ICC and giving them 2 free points may adversely affect other teams.
 
Red-Indian said:
Something's off. Pakistan and the PCB are definitely not doing this right.

Pakistan has about 250m folks...let's call it 50 million households. Let's also say only 5% of the households are willing to pay to watch cricket. The rest want it free on PTV.

It should be possible to get $1 a month - PKR280 from these 2.5m households for $30m a year. Add to that revenue from advertising and overseas Pakistani who're interested in Pakistan cricket and cricket should be able to pull in $50m annually in broadcast rights between PSL, Pakistan domestic and ICC events. Of these only PSL is anywhere close to it's fair share.

Keep in mind Pakistan is a single sport country and the public has limited other entertainment options - not much of a movie or streaming industry.

For context, I live in India and spend about $25 a month across multiple streaming services - Jio, Prime, Hotstar, Netflix, Sony, Spotify and YouTube premium. Probably $7-8 of that is driven by cricket.
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Your estimates are a bit flawed I think. 280 PKR is 84 in INR.

So, for a year, it comes up to 1008 INR per year just for cricket.

Hardly anyone in India pays that much and that's with a much bigger , wealthier middle class etc

Currently, Jio is free . But even when it was on Disney, it was Rs. 400 per year for 1 device for not just cricket but entire Disney catalogue. Maybe 800 for 2 devices including laptop.

If it was 1000 INR just for cricket , most folks would cancel their subscriptions.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Your estimates are a bit flawed I think. 280 PKR is 84 in INR.

So, for a year, it comes up to 1008 INR per year just for cricket.

Hardly anyone in India pays that much and that's with a much bigger , wealthier middle class etc

Currently, Jio is free . But even when it was on Disney, it was Rs. 400 per year for 1 device for not just cricket but entire Disney catalogue. Maybe 800 for 2 devices including laptop.

If it was 1000 INR just for cricket , most folks would cancel their subscriptions.
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Not sure. Total cricket TV rights in India - IPL + BCCI + ICC + miscellaneous like Cricket Australia, ECB etc. conservatively sell for about $2B annually (probably a bit more).

Assuming about 100m households in India are paying for them, that's about $20 annually or ₹1700. Even if you that's partly funded by advertising, I think ₹1000 per household is a very fair estimate.
 
Red-Indian said:
Not sure. Total cricket TV rights in India - IPL + BCCI + ICC + miscellaneous like Cricket Australia, ECB etc. conservatively sell for about $2B annually (probably a bit more).

Assuming about 100m households in India are paying for them, that's about $20 annually or ₹1700. Even if you that's partly funded by advertising, I think ₹1000 per household is a very fair estimate.
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I'm not sure what percentage of the revenues come from advertising for PAK broadcasters.

But even then , total rights you gave included IPL + cricket from England and Australia + ICC events

This bid is only for international bilateral cricket in Pakistan.

They have to pay separately for PSL, ICC/ACC events, cricket from CA, ECB etc.

1000 INR per year is still a bit too high just for that.
 
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