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Rohit Sharma vs Umar Akmal

There should be an Umar Akmal versus Umar Akmal thread as he is his own worst enemy.
 
Lol didn't knew rohit was so poor back then. Good to see how he improved after he started to open. I think biggest transformation as player in odi history? after being so poor to almost one of the great.
 
Mods need to close all these Umar Akmal vs XYZ threads. Not that it is embarrassing for the posters who supported Akmal back then but, it serves no purpose anymore. Akmal, in all likelihood, is never playing for Pak again.
 
Rohit really didn't get going until he had played ~ 100 odis. In any other era he'd have been dropped never to be seen again. Thankfully the Indian selectors stuck with him.
 
Gabbar Singh said:
To be fair to the OP when this thread was posted these are the two player's odi numbers:

Rohit: 2233 runs @ 31.45 with a strike rate of 78. He has scored 1 x 100 and 15 x 50s.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...3;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

Umar: 2001 runs @ 37.75 with a strike rate of 84. He has scored 1 x 100 and 16 x 50s.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...3;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting
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what are their stats after thread was opened?
 
To be fair, Rohit had great Dhoni as a captain who backed Rohit to play his natural game despite failures. While UA didn't have someone like Dhoni backing his talent. So once his form dipped he was thrown under the bus by captain.
 
MRSN said:
To be fair, Rohit had great Dhoni as a captain who backed Rohit to play his natural game despite failures. While UA didn't have someone like Dhoni backing his talent.
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Rohit also had the likes of Sehwag, Ganguly, Tendulkar, Gambhir etc to get advice from and helping him.

Umar Akmal had Younis Khan, Mohammad Yousuf, Misbah, Afridi. . . . . . . . . . .
 
What's the point of bumping this thread? Very poor bump just to make fun and taunt. Whoever bumped it now should be ashamed of themselves.
 
Umar Akmal is done and dusted. Pakistan now has Babar.

This thread is pointless now.
 
Chokli said:
Rohit also had the likes of Sehwag, Ganguly, Tendulkar, Gambhir etc to get advice from and helping him.

Umar Akmal had Younis Khan, Mohammad Yousuf, Misbah, Afridi. . . . . . . . . . .
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Yousuf, YK and misbah were good players and were all decent role models to follow. I don't know whether they backed akmal and adviced him or not but are as good as any trio to mentor new talent.
 
Sad to see Umar Akmal's career careen off into oblivion after such a promising start. What makes it even sadder is that he is not the only Pakistan cricketing prodigy whose career has floundered prematurely.

This is a huge loss not just to Pakistan cricket, but to the cricketing world at large.

We need great talent entering the ranks of international cricket if we are to have fascinating cricket and greater viewership. I don't know why this pattern of prodigious Pakistani cricketing talent vowing to deceive, keeps repeating itself.

Who is to blame? Is it the Pakistani cricketing establishment, lack of cricketing mentors to guide younger talent, rampant factionalism/favoritism/nepotism/cronyism besieging Pakistani team selection policies, or the international cricketing isolation of Pakistan over the past decade or so...I have no idea.

The cricketing world needs Pakistan to go back to churning out players like Imran Khan, Miandad, Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib Akhtar etc.
 
MRSN said:
To be fair, Rohit had great Dhoni as a captain who backed Rohit to play his natural game despite failures. While UA didn't have someone like Dhoni backing his talent. So once his form dipped he was thrown under the bus by captain.
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Rohit failed to make big scores but I have seldom seen him throw his wicket away by just slogging like akmal. If he had done that, he would have got no backing particularly from Dhoni who hates players who don't take responsibility and don't play according to situation for the team. Pant faces a lot of criticism and for a while didn't have support because if this tendency
 
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big_gamer007 said:
What's the point of bumping this thread? Very poor bump just to make fun and taunt. Whoever bumped it now should be ashamed of themselves.
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Honestly this wasn’t a really bad thread

Like there were intensely stupid threads like Shehzad v Kohli where from day one you could differentiate between the players in terms of performance, completeness as players, talent and potential. So the comparison was never on. Same with Umar v Kohli asides from maybe 2009-10 if you are being generous to Umar and you could make a weak case.

But Rohit v Umar Akmal case could be made back then. Both had a good shot range and had the talent. But Umar had a very good start firstly and importantly Rohit had had dozens of chances and was not taking advantage. So a comparison had some legitimacy
 
Slog said:
Honestly this wasn’t a really bad thread

Like there were intensely stupid threads like Shehzad v Kohli where from day one you could differentiate between the players in terms of performance, completeness as players, talent and potential. So the comparison was never on. Same with Umar v Kohli asides from maybe 2009-10 if you are being generous to Umar and you could make a weak case.

But Rohit v Umar Akmal case could be made back then. Both had a good shot range and had the talent. But Umar had a very good start firstly and importantly Rohit had had dozens of chances and was not taking advantage. So a comparison had some legitimacy
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Umar was a wonderful talent. But he has himself to blame note than anyone else for whatever happened to him. From Pakistan management perspective they dropped the ball when they didn't let Akmal open consistently in LOIs. Pakistan didn't have any good openers anyways so was a shot worth taking.

I am not saying comparison here is not valid, but I am saying is bumping this thread in 2019 is just to poke fun on Pakistani fans and Akmal :)..
 
What a great turnaround rohit had. I still wonder why pakistani selectors are still persisting with shohaib malik and hafeez. Do they expect them to do a rohit at the age of 40 plus.
 
King_Kohli said:
:dunk
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[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] rarely gets it wrong. This tells you that when this thread was opened they were very much comparable, then Rohit moved to another universe leaving Umar lightyears behind.

Which is why I always say one of Dhoni's greatest strategic achievements was to back Rohit and making him open against popular opinions. In an alternate universe we probably tried a dozen partners with Dhawan before finally settling down with Kedar Jadhav :ssmith
 
Rohit Sharma has come a long way now and established himself as one of the greatest ODI openers of all-time.

As an opener, he averages close to 60 over last 6-7 years. When on song, he is the most destructive batsman of the era.
 
My understanding of cricket was really poor back in 2012-13. I was young, emotional and deluded. Made plenty of shocking comments back then.

It wasn’t until 2014-15 that I became invincible. My track-record since then is stunning.

Much like Rohit and Smith, I also had a tremendous resurgence.
 
Mamoon said:
My understanding of cricket was really poor back in 2012-13. I was young, emotional and deluded. Made plenty of shocking comments back then.

It wasn’t until 2014-15 that I became invincible. My track-record since then is stunning.

Much like Rohit and Smith, I also had a tremendous resurgence.
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Umar played a couple of tremendous knocks in SENA very early in his career where everyone else failed, he definitely seemed to posses immense natural ability. Umar's personality is probably his worst enemy.
 
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Comparing an opener that was well backed and had clarity of what his role in the team was to a player who wasn’t managed properly by the coaches and captains. Umar Akmal was good enough to bat at 3-4, but was always used as a slogger at 6.

If Umar Akmal was Indian, he’d have a better career than Sharma.
 
The only contemporary Pakistani batsman who would have had a better batting career in India is Hafeez, assuming that India would have invested in him.

Few months back an Indian coach made very interesting comments regarding Hafeez.

He said something along the lines that batting is not about how many shots you can play but focusing on the few shots that you can play well and eliminating the other shots from your game entirely.

He noted that Hafeez plays 4-5 shots that are elite level, but his failure to eliminate the other shots from his game has made him an inconsistent batsman.

These are the type of perceptive analysis that Pakistani coaches lack, and if Hafeez was in India, the Indian coaches would have seen his capacity to play 4-5 elite shots and they would have built his game around that.

Tiger Woods recently said something about the game golf which is applicable to batting as well.

He stated that everyone’s good is good but the real question is, how good is your bad. Golf (batting) is ultimately a game of misses.

In Hafeez’s case his good is really good. He is an exceptional timer of the ball and when he is on song he looks like an elite level batsman. However, his misses have also been really bad and he never learned to manage them.

Perhaps he is doing it these day and we are seeing the results.
 
These old-time threads reveal such interesting insights. I myself had given up on Rohit by 2013. But he will soon begin to wind down a satisfactory international career and a legendary domestic career. Umar on the other hand is a cautionary tale for young sportsmen.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
Comparing an opener that was well backed and had clarity of what his role in the team was to a player who wasn’t managed properly by the coaches and captains. Umar Akmal was good enough to bat at 3-4, but was always used as a slogger at 6.

If Umar Akmal was Indian, he’d have a better career than Sharma.
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Umar Akmal didn't do justice to his talent. Also one thing some fans take it for granted is the home advantage. I am pretty sure Umar Akmal didn't get to play lots of matches in Pakistan. It plays a huge role in the development of a player. Imagine Rohit Sharma playing his home series in UAE/England instead of India. :inti
 
No Umar Akmal threads anymore= hence likes of Shaw and Pant aren't doing that well. :sarf2
 
King_Kohli said:
:dunk
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[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] is a legend of PP and rarely gets it wrong. Rohit was actually a failure back in 2013 and no one knew he would turn into a beast like today. For example, if someone says today that Rohit will be a test great...we may laugh it off. But 7 years later he can actually makes it big in test cricket.
 
Hated Rohit till 2014.... similar to how Rahul is right now but don’t see him going Rohit way.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Umar Akmal didn't do justice to his talent. Also one thing some fans take it for granted is the home advantage. I am pretty sure Umar Akmal didn't get to play lots of matches in Pakistan. It plays a huge role in the development of a player. Imagine Rohit Sharma playing his home series in UAE/England instead of India. :inti
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Like UA has no attitude problems? Which coach has complained about Rohit?

If UA was Indian you(and myself) would had criticized him like no tomorrow for his attitude
 
Not at all surprised that Sir Umar Akmal was the benchmark for all up and coming Indian batting t@lunts in the earlier part of the last decade. :)
 
JaDed said:
Like UA has no attitude problems? Which coach has complained about Rohit?

If UA was Indian you(and myself) would had criticized him like no tomorrow for his attitude
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My post was specifically about his on field performances only. Yes his attitude was one of the reason for his downfall. :inti
 
Rajdeep said:
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] is a legend of PP and rarely gets it wrong. Rohit was actually a failure back in 2013 and no one knew he would turn into a beast like today. For example, if someone says today that Rohit will be a test great...we may laugh it off. But 7 years later he can actually makes it big in test cricket.
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Hyperion66 said:
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] rarely gets it wrong. This tells you that when this thread was opened they were very much comparable, then Rohit moved to another universe leaving Umar lightyears behind.
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Right.
Not just Mamoon but no one couldn't imagine the rise of Rohit.
Phenomenal.
 
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YousafTheBeast said:
Comparing an opener that was well backed and had clarity of what his role in the team was to a player who wasn’t managed properly by the coaches and captains. Umar Akmal was good enough to bat at 3-4, but was always used as a slogger at 6.

If Umar Akmal was Indian, he’d have a better career than Sharma.
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I agree he was handled poorly but his attitude didn't help either.

Strongly disagree on the last point though.
 
Here is the difference though Kohli had to fight in day in day out to become a regular in a packed batting line up and then a superstar to earn his stripes.

MSD is another example. He fought for his slot with DK and Parthiv and had to pull out magical efforts to standout.

Rohit,Ishant,Jadeja were marked for being talented and were backed and groomed but were also dropped from team and handled carefully during transition along with their own hardwork.

No one were handled a superstar status from day 1. A guy who scored a 300 vs England is not even in our A teams now.

I notice it happens a lot more in Pakistan where a guy picks up a 100 or takes a 5fr and he has comparison threads with a legendary cricketer or a current superstar with utmost conviction.

We hype our players too, but when you take it to the next level you will always be set up for disappointment.

You guys have the best example in front of you. I don’t think till recently Babar was hyped. He was always talked about as a decent upcoming talent but don’t think he was hyped like Shehzad or Akmal. All he did was put his head down and score runs consistently and develop organically. Today he is the best cricketer in Pakistan quality wise.
 
JaDed said:
Hated Rohit till 2014.... similar to how Rahul is right now but don’t see him going Rohit way.
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What is wrong with Rahul now? He is doing pretty decent in loi for quite some time. I remember you being very critical of Rohit long after 2014, dude literally had to become the best white ball performer in the world for you to stop complaining about his alleged 'Inconsistency' lol.
 
Hyperion66 said:
What is wrong with Rahul now? He is doing pretty decent in loi for quite some time. I remember you being very critical of Rohit long after 2014, dude literally had to become the best white ball performer in the world for you to stop complaining about his alleged 'Inconsistency' lol.
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I agree on Rohit, hated the 2015 debacle as well, honestly I think 2019 wc is when i was finally shut by his performances.

Rahul though not sure where to start.. guess being used to seeing batsmen like Sachin, Dhoni, Ganguly, Yuvi that won us important finals of LOI tournaments or Dravid, Laxman in tests Rahul feels like a massive disappointment for now.

It’s about expectations I guess as an Indian with batsmen.
 
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JaDed said:
I agree on Rohit, hated the 2015 debacle as well, honestly I think 2019 wc is when i was finally shut by his performances.

Rahul though not sure where to start.. guess being used to seeing batsmen like Sachin, Dhoni, Ganguly, Yuvi that won us important finals of LOI tournaments or Dravid, Laxman in tests Rahul feels like a massive disappointment for now.

It’s about expectations I guess as an Indian with batsmen.
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Fair enough man. Rahul's best is yet to come, I am really optimistic about him.
 
Mamoon said:
My understanding of cricket was really poor back in 2012-13. I was young, emotional and deluded. Made plenty of shocking comments back then.

It wasn’t until 2014-15 that I became invincible. My track-record since then is stunning.

Much like Rohit and Smith, I also had a tremendous resurgence.
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Hilarious!
 
I feel like some people are missing the point here. As cliched as it may sound: anything is possible. No one even imagined what Rohit would've become and dismissed him as a TTF back then. I didn't think much of Steve Smith as a player in general in his first few years of international cricket, and now he's a giant. Hindsight 20-20 is a beautiful thing. Watch Naseem and Shadab 8-10 years from now become superstars of the cricketing world, people would be like "Oh they always had it in them, talented this, talented that" and then some upcoming Khalil Bradman III (seen by fans as the next big batting talent) start his initial years not up to expectations and people will be like "yeah he's a scrub and he'll always will be"... only for the pattern to repeat again after another 8-10 years when Mr. Khalil becomes a superstar batsman. People need to chill here with their self-proclaimed, Nostradamus mentality.
 
I can tell just by the player's physique and technique whether he will be quality. The name too makes it easier for me to judge their ability. Yes the name.

Rohit would always be quality. Mohit never. Kamran would always be good. Umar never.

Chahal will never be a good player imo but Kuldeep will be.

Pant
Shaw
Gill

All 3 are going to be great players in the future. Mark my words.

As for Pakistan. I am sorry dilbar is a no.
Shaheen will be quality but Naseem no.
 
Mamoon said:
My understanding of cricket was really poor back in 2012-13. I was young, emotional and deluded. Made plenty of shocking comments back then.

It wasn’t until 2014-15 that I became invincible. My track-record since then is stunning.

Much like Rohit and Smith, I also had a tremendous resurgence.
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Tbf I miss the old Mamoon and old Biscuit
 
I couldn't stand Rohit till one point of time and believed him to be the most overrated batsman we have ever produced. How times change. Rohit now is one of my favorite batsman and I consider him very close to a batting genius in LOI.
 
Mamoon said:
Rohit is a tried and tested failure. He gets too many chances for his own good and today, a 50 from him is enough to satisfy the fans.

Pujara should open for India and immediately you'll get to see a world of difference.

Yes Umar is a great talent and in another league to Rohit. Problem?
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The level of confidence or rather over-confidence on these comments is unbelievable.

Only if we had dropped Rohit and opened with Pujara. :))
 
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