SA vs Pak, 5th ODI , The Wanderers Stadium - All to play for !

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and Nazir out, bravo Nazir, cant belive we selected this slogger for world cup.
 
Nazir once again seems to press the self destruct button!

doesnt seem to have improved one bit interms of consistancy or tempremant!
 
Nauman said:
To think people called Farhat's 50s lucky atleast he made a 50 after 2 or 3 chances, where as Nazir has had 4 lbw appeals, a catch dropped and still hell bent on throwing his wicket away.

Moan Moan Moan. You must be watching a different game mate. Only one dropped chance. Think how often your Friend Farhat has given life after life to opposition batsmen when he dropped many a dollies.
 
he shld calm down...he shld know that the bad balls will calm. Not everything needs to be hit. Why doesnt he ever learn? I am a big Nazir fan but he needs to learn from his mistakes which he isnt doing. Hopefully Bob can knock some sense into him before WC but I doubt it.
 
Well, thats one way to open the batting.
Actually was quite entertained watching that.
If we haven't got any openers capable of constructing a big innings, then we might as well have someone who scores quickly.
 
The difference b/w Imran and Afridi is that Imran suppose to be a genuine openner.
 
YK needs to play and take charge...if he just sits there and does nothing he will simply put others under pressure
 
I wish Inzi had come to No.3 in one of these ODI just to see how he would do.
 
Nauman said:
and Nazir out, bravo Nazir, cant belive we selected this slogger for world cup.

Atleast he contributed 22 runs Nauman. And scored them at a quick pace too, 30/2 in 8 overs. The shot he got out to was ridiculous though, absolutely uncalled for. He was driving beautifully through the offside so I dont know what prompted him to play that stupid looking shot

Was entertaining while it lasted though
 
Nauman said:
and Nazir out, bravo Nazir, cant belive we selected this slogger for world cup.

Its a high risk move Nauman, but Farhat and Butt (your 2 faves) were given more than enough chances, without ever cementing their places in the side.
 
pak_all_the_way said:
so you think pakistan are all out for 22???? :13:

When Nazir got out Pak had around 29, so he was responsible for most of the runs at the point he got out.
 
No wonder Kamran isn't scoring; Woolmer and Inzi are really screwing with his batting order.
 
kamran looks like a novice

ramiz pulling his hair out trying to find a reason why. suggests pakistan are trying to shield moyo from pollok.
 
usman917 said:
the five minute slog is responsible for most of Pak's runs

When Gilchrist or Jayasuria blast the opposing team often their partner usually doesn't score a fifth of their runs but you don't often see them get out playing needless slog after slog.
 
pak_all_the_way said:
so you think pakistan are all out for 22???? :13:

With Farhat and Hameed we would have been lucky to get a 10 run start. I am sure even those 10 runs would have taken 5 overs
 
Saj said:
Its a high risk move Nauman, but Farhat and Butt (your 2 faves) were given more than enough chances, without ever cementing their places in the side.



true, might as well set the momentum if they are not going to add any runs.
 
usman917 said:
When Nazir got out Pak had around 29, so he was responsible for most of the runs at the point he got out.

what kind of theory is that man??????? he is a opener so one of the openers will make the majority of the teams score coz noone else has batted yet?
 
Muyazzim Khan said:
When Gilchrist or Jayasuria blast the opposing team often their partner usually doesn't score a fifth of their runs but you don't often see them get out playing needless slog after slog.

Gilchrist and Jayasuria have played more than 600 matches between them, this is Nazir's 4th comeback match after a long while.
 
pak_all_the_way said:
what kind of theory is that man??????? he is a opener so one of the openers will make the majority of the teams score coz noone else has batted yet?

Yk was on 0 off 15 and Hafeez out for a duck off 6 balls.
 
Saj said:
Its a high risk move Nauman, but Farhat and Butt (your 2 faves) were given more than enough chances, without ever cementing their places in the side.
So what has Nazir done so far, cant belive people are content with an opener who averages 23 in ODIs and since his return he still averages 23. Atleast Farhat and Butt have maintained a higher average whenever they have played.
 
usman917 said:
Yk was on 0 off 15 and Hafeez out for a duck.
i'm sorry i still dont understand your theory. "he made most of the runs at one point"

made up eg: pakistan 3/0 after 1 over

imran nazir 0

hafeez 0

extras 3

extras is the mannnnnnn!!!
 
Today, 13:06
Amjid Javed
Living Legend Debut: Mar 2004
Venue: Manchester, UK
Runs: 52,085

Noddy bhai described Nazir as a slogger and cant argue with that!

never seems to learn from his mistakes!


I rest my case....

He is a specialist opener, and didnt make the most of his chance....He gives you a flying start for sure, but there is no method to the madness....

You half expect it with Afridi, where ever he bats, but Imran doesnt cut it for me due to that fact.

We have tried many others yes, inclding SB, IF, TU, YH, but what next?

The big two have shied away from batting in these conditions, which just makes it a total disgrace attitude wise for me....Come out and take the conditions as they are...

They score their runs get a 50 or so, and think they have done their bit....May as well, say its 3/1...
 
Can anyone tell me why the hell Akmal is batting at 4? If Yousuf and Inzy don't want to bat there then at least send in Malik.
 
usman917 said:
Gilchrist and Jayasuria have played more than 600 matches between them, this is Nazir's 4th comeback match after a long while.


they got the picture by 60 matches unlike mr Nazir. Hence they have lasted long enough to play so many games. In saying all this I prefer his quick 20odd to the likes of Butt,Farhat and Hameed.
 
pak_all_the_way said:
i'm sorry i still dont understand your theory. "he made most of the runs at one point"

made up eg: pakistan 3/0 after 1 over

imran nazir 0

hafeez 0

extras 3

extras is the mannnnnnn!!!

It's not a theory, its fact NAzir scored runs at quick pace and allowed Yk to settle a bit, gave Pak a start which is something no other opener has done on this tour.
 
Noddy said:
Today, 13:06
Amjid Javed
Living Legend Debut: Mar 2004
Venue: Manchester, UK
Runs: 52,085

Noddy bhai described Nazir as a slogger and cant argue with that!

never seems to learn from his mistakes!


I rest my case....

He is a specialist opener, and didnt make the most of his chance....He gives you a flying start for sure, but there is no method to the madness....

You half expect it with Afridi, where ever he bats, but Imran doesnt cut it for me due to that fact.

We have tried many others yes, inclding SB, IF, TU, YH, but what next?

The big two have shied away from batting in these conditions, which just makes it a total disgrace attitude wise for me....Come out and take the conditions as they are...

They score their runs get a 50 or so, and think they have done their bit....May as well, say its 3/1...
Rudi...where are you?? :21:
 
Pollock is back to destroy Hafeez's career again and if this series had been any longer I am sure he would have accomplished his mission. Maybe time to promote Younis to open with Nazir and let Malik come one down. With Nazir there should'nt be a problem with the runrate and batting with a senior should help Nazir as well.
 
Nauman said:
So what has Nazir done so far, cant belive people are content with an opener who averages 23 in ODIs and since his return he still averages 23. Atleast Farhat and Butt have maintained a higher average whenever they have played.

Butt I agree should be there. Farhat and Hameed are completely different matters though. Their consistency and scoring rate is horrible. Once in a while they will score a painful 50 odd to boost their average against the likes of West Indies while the rest of the time they are out fishing outside off

Nobody is content here. All those guys got their chances and managed nothing. Its because of them Imran is here in the first place, he was never our firs-choice opener anyway
 
Muyazzim Khan said:
they got the picture by 60 matches unlike mr Nazir. Hence they have lasted long enough to play so many games. In saying all this I prefer his quick 20odd to the likes of Butt,Farhat and Hameed.

I there's a Jayasuria or Gilchrist in Pak then bring them in.
 
Lahoria said:
Pollock is back to destroy Hafeez's career again and if this series had been any longer I am sure he would have accomplished his mission. Maybe time to promote Younis to open with Nazir and let Malik come one down. With Nazir there should'nt be a problem with the runrate and batting with a senior should help Nazir as well.

That move should have been made a the beginning of the series at the latest. Too late now, this is the last real hit out before we get down to business!
 
With batting till number 9 I am sure Pakistan can afford to have an agressive opener. If the pitches in WI turn out to be flat making use of the powerplay would be critical.
 
Amoeba said:
Can anyone tell me why the hell Akmal is batting at 4? If Yousuf and Inzy don't want to bat there then at least send in Malik.
Lol... seriously baffled. Should've atleast sent in Malik.
 
Stop fishing damn you!

Either leave it or, if you really must, belt the cover off it. Just don't keep hanging your bat out.
 
Noddy said:
Today, 13:06
Amjid Javed
Living Legend Debut: Mar 2004
Venue: Manchester, UK
Runs: 52,085

Noddy bhai described Nazir as a slogger and cant argue with that!

never seems to learn from his mistakes!


I rest my case....

He is a specialist opener, and didnt make the most of his chance....He gives you a flying start for sure, but there is no method to the madness....

You half expect it with Afridi, where ever he bats, but Imran doesnt cut it for me due to that fact.

We have tried many others yes, inclding SB, IF, TU, YH, but what next?

The big two have shied away from batting in these conditions, which just makes it a total disgrace attitude wise for me....Come out and take the conditions as they are...

They score their runs get a 50 or so, and think they have done their bit....May as well, say its 3/1...

So put your neck on the line and tell us who you prefer to open? Its easy to criticise but hard to find a solution. What is your solution ?

I think sending Akmal up top is a good idea, history shows he is a poor batsmen for the death overs. He is better at scoring runs during power plays. How can you criticise Inzi when he showed his class in the last game where every other Pak Batsman failed.
 
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Pakistan should play Malik at 3 because Younis doesn't make the most of the power plays. Four by Younis.
 
Is it just me or 90% of the shots Akmal plays goes straight to the fielders. BTW this pitch is a beauty anything less than 300 and forget about winning.
 
Lahoria said:
Pollock is back to destroy Hafeez's career again and if this series had been any longer I am sure he would have accomplished his mission. Maybe time to promote Younis to open with Nazir and let Malik come one down. With Nazir there should'nt be a problem with the runrate and batting with a senior should help Nazir as well.

A suggestion I have been making for a long long time.
 
UsmanCHADDA said:
Butt I agree should be there. Farhat and Hameed are completely different matters though. Their consistency and scoring rate is horrible. Once in a while they will score a painful 50 odd to boost their average against the likes of West Indies while the rest of the time they are out fishing outside off

Nobody is content here. All those guys got their chances and managed nothing. Its because of them Imran is here in the first place, he was never our firs-choice opener anyway
Arent you content by defending Nazir's pathetic (no other way to put it) 22 runs over 30 and 40 odds scored by others. When Farhat and Hafeez were opening they were not setting the world on fire but we were regularly getting starts of 30/40 as compared to Nazir who scores well in his come back match but has been nothing but pathetic with mindless slogs in rest of the games.
 
Akmal need time at the crease.....

He might fire today,,,

I hoping for a century for akmal...
 
Nauman said:
Arent you content by defending Nazir's pathetic (no other way to put it) 22 runs over 30 and 40 odds scored by others. When Farhat and Hafeez were opening they were not setting the world on fire but we were regularly getting starts of 30/40 as compared to Nazir who scores well in his come back match but has been nothing but pathetic with mindless slogs in rest of the games.

Both Farhat and Hafeez did nothing to keep their slots, Farhat averaged around 22 with a low strike rate since his return.
 
Muyazzim Khan said:
What was your average? Mr Noddy.
Thats pretty grown up of you mate, may I ask what is your average? What in the world gives you the right to critcize Butt and Farhat? Surely your average would be even worse then Noddy.
 
We look horrible before going into the World Cup. Zero confidence, bad results, injuries. Oh my.
 
Muyazzim Khan said:
So put your neck on the line and tell us who you prefer to open? Its easy to criticise but hard to find a solution. What is your solution ?

I think sending Akmal up top is a good idea, history shows he is a poor batsmen for the death overs. He is better at scoring runs during power plays. How can you criticise Inzi when he showed his class in the last game where every other Pak Batsman failed.

What was your average? Mr Noddy.
We should stop working on to get a decent opener now. We have tried zillions of openers in the last three years. We don't have any. We should open with the bowlers/sloggers and hope they will take us to 20 overs. If we keep on loosing wickets, keep on sending bowlers until shine on the ball is gone.
 
Well, well, Younis bowled on inside edge. What do we do now on this flat track? We need 300 plus, and no hitters to do it!
 
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