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Namak_Halaal said:
I'd say Dravid and Gavaskar are the only batting greats from India.

It was Gavaskar who first broke the Don's number of Test Centuries, and it was Gavaskar who first scored 10000 Test runs.

Barring Dravid, all other Indian batsmen went to school on Gavaskar's batting.
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Fair enough. Your definition of greatness and quality must be different then. General consensus however is that Tendulkar is greater.
 
Namak_Halaal said:
I'd say Dravid and Gavaskar are the only batting greats from India.

It was Gavaskar who first broke the Don's number of Test Centuries, and it was Gavaskar who first scored 10000 Test runs.

Barring Dravid, all other Indian batsmen went to school on Gavaskar's batting.
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Absolutely - both great players. Have ultimate respect for both.

I'd even go as far to say that sehwag has had more of an impact than teendi
 
Sultan Yusuf said:
And yet despite all his 'quantity', one of teendi's biggest criticism is that he hasn't won enough matches.

And please don't come out with the boo hoo argument of carrying a nations hopes. It is ridiculous, unfounded, dramebaaz and ultimately completely untrue
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It's not criticism, its ignorance. Because Tendulkar has won many matches for India as is evident from his recorded contribtions and man of the match awards won.

Secondly, that belief was strengthened only by flattering comments from Pakistani players, experts and fans. That in the 90s, Indian Cricket was all about Sachin and getting him out was top priority. No Indian made those comments, we have just taken over from Pak opinion. :D

Agree with the Sehwag comment though, phenomenal impact player in tests. I would put him right up there among great Indian batsmen.
 
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Namak_Halaal said:
I'd say Dravid and Gavaskar are the only batting greats from India.

It was Gavaskar who first broke the Don's number of Test Centuries, and it was Gavaskar who first scored 10000 Test runs.

Barring Dravid, all other Indian batsmen went to school on Gavaskar's batting.
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i would say Afridi and Farhat are the only decent great batsmen Pak produced..
 
Indiafan said:
Definitely. But why cant you have both? After all, as one of the most respected cricketer of all time, rated by all experts, ex and current players (before he broke even one single record), present in all top XI lists by any cricketer, rated second after Bradman by Wisden, Sachin does have loads of quality too. You cannot be rated by Bradman, Richards, Lara, Warne, etc, etc unless you are the highest in quality!.

And anyone who breaks his record, be it Cook, or Kallis or any other future player will also have lots of quality
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musaarthali said:
i would say Afridi and Farhat are the only decent great batsmen Pak produced..
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We could talk about bowling of course, where Pakistan revolutionised the game of cricket, but I won't bother as you wouldn't have a leg to stand on.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Fair enough. Your definition of greatness and quality must be different then. General consensus however is that Tendulkar is greater.
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Sir gee, you know I believe greatness can never be measured in stats or popularity.

The general consensus you speak of must include non-Indians too, so how comes, despite the quantity of runs, not a single Sachin Century is listed in the top 100 Centuries of all time?
 
Namak_Halaal said:
We could talk about bowling of course, where Pakistan revolutionised the game of cricket, but I won't bother as you wouldn't have a leg to stand on.
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You know if talk about bowling comes out some external factors also get discussed ...

Revolution wont happen without violence :))
 
musaarthali said:
You know if talk about bowling comes out some external factors also get discussed ...

Revolution wont happen without violence :))
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Reverse swing was revolutionary.

Playing a cover drive the way it's meant to be played is not revolutionary.
 
Namak_Halaal said:
Sir gee, you know I believe greatness can never be measured in stats or popularity.

The general consensus you speak of must include non-Indians too, so how comes, despite the quantity of runs, not a single Sachin Century is listed in the top 100 Centuries of all time?
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Ironic. (Almost sounds like a joke)

Teendi scores 100 100s but still unable to get into ATG 100 100s :mahmood

/peace
http://in.rediff.com/cricket/2001/jul/30bat100.htm
 
Namak_Halaal said:
Sir gee, you know I believe greatness can never be measured in stats or popularity.

The general consensus you speak of must include non-Indians too, so how comes, despite the quantity of runs, not a single Sachin Century is listed in the top 100 Centuries of all time?
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The consensus includes more non-Indian experts actually, which is why Indians took him on their head at first place. Earliest praises only came from people like Bradman, Benaud, Boycott before Shastri and co joined in.

And i respect your opinion. It's alright if you don't rate Sachin. One cant always please all and of course there are different criteria for different people. May be you know more than Bradman and Richie Benaud. I don;t doubt your genius at all. :D
 
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Reverse swing was invented by West Indies btw. Pakistan copied the art. :moyo
 
musaarthali said:
Reverse swing....haha ...reverse swing....haha
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Beta, Sachin Ramesh Tendulkar was banned for a match because he tampered with the ball hoping Indian trundlers could reverse the ball.

Name me a Pakistani player banned for trying to imitate an Indian batting stroke?
 
Namak_Halaal said:
Beta, Sachin Ramesh Tendulkar was banned for a match because he tampered with the ball hoping Indian trundlers could reverse the ball.

Name me a Pakistani player banned for trying to imitate an Indian batting stroke?
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i just told haha..you became serious...

Any shady deal in reverse swing hmmmmm
 
Namak_Halaal said:
Beta, Sachin Ramesh Tendulkar was banned for a match because he tampered with the ball hoping Indian trundlers could reverse the ball.

Name me a Pakistani player banned for trying to imitate an Indian batting stroke?
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NH

Sachin wasnot banned.He was given a suspended ban and even that was overturned because the refree was a racist and his decision was dubious.Same happened with the Pakistani team in England.

The first player to be banned for tampering the ball,Waqar Younis.
 
cricketjoshila said:
NH

Sachin wasnot banned.He was given a suspended ban and even that was overturned because the refree was a racist and his decision was dubious.Same happened with the Pakistani team in England.
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This is beside the point; he still got caught tampering with the ball. What was he trying to achieve? Reverse Cover Drive?

cricketjoshila said:
The first player to be banned for tampering the ball,Waqar Younis.
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Pioneers are often revolutionaries, a ban here or there for Waqar Younis doesn’t matter, a small price to pay when revolutionising cricket.

Remind me how bowlers reverse the ball these days?
 
Indiafan said:
Definitely. But why cant you have both? After all, as one of the most respected cricketer of all time, rated by all experts, ex and current players (before he broke even one single record), present in all top XI lists by any cricketer, rated second after Bradman by Wisden, Sachin does have loads of quality too. You cannot be rated by Bradman, Richards, Lara, Warne, etc, etc unless you are the highest in quality!.
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Unless all these experts, ex and current players start vouching for UDRS .....then they are simply idiots and stupid...... as oppose to the all wise BCCI and its supporters.
 
W63L35 said:
Unless all these experts, ex and current players start vouching for UDRS .....then they are simply idiots and stupid...... as oppose to the all wise BCCI and its supporters.
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What UDRS connection with Sachin's greatness..:)))
 
W63L35 said:
Unless all these experts, ex and current players start vouching for UDRS .....then they are simply idiots and stupid...... as oppose to the all wise BCCI and its supporters.
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What is the basis of this comment?
 
Yes, someone will catch up to him. People break records, if someone breaks his records won't make him any less of batsman. He is still one of the best we have ever seen (Atleast best i have seen in my life).
 
Snow said:
Yes, someone will catch up to him. People break records, if someone breaks his records won't make him any less of batsman. He is still one of the best we have ever seen (Atleast best i have seen in my life).
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hater!
 
Time for an update....



Dravid and Ponting's challenge bites the dust after they retire!

Kallis has closed the gap from 3200 to 2700

Cook has closed the gap by 1200 runs

Amla now in the picture closing the gap by 1100
 

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^Nice of you to filter the list down to 32 names. I like the look of the kid at #32, in fact. :)
 
:yk caught him
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:asif
 
Kiwi said:
Perhaps AB can mount a challenge :13:
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Smith is the strange one....

He did brilliantly at the start of his career but has only had 2 good years in the last 5 - all of which should have been his Peak years - he has floundered a bit!

He still has a small chance if he picks up again.
 

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So Taufeeq Umar is the highest scoring Pakistani? At 2900-odd? Wow.

Edit: And Kamran Akmal at 2nd. Sad.
 
HamzaSaeen said:
no highest scoring is Younis Khan, read the list again.
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Ah right, missed the elephant in the room.

It's still a sheer drop from him to the second best - Taufeeq (among current players).
 
Varun said:
Ah right, missed the elephant in the room.

It's still a sheer drop from him to the second best - Taufeeq (among current players).
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Pak is not known for producing batsmen after all. Just like you have a problem with quicks we have the very same problem with batsmen.
 
HamzaSaeen said:
with an average of 30 odd and with the very less amount of tests Pakistan play? sure...
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An average of 36 after playing only one test innings in Asia is pretty decent for a 21 year old batsman who's played in England, Australia, New Zealand & West Indies.
 
Bullet Drive said:
An average of 36 after playing only one test innings in Asia is pretty decent for a 21 year old batsman who's played in England, Australia, New Zealand & West Indies.
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definitely good by our standards, but not enough to reach 10K runs, for that you need to play at least a 100 tests even that with an average in excess of 50, both scenarios seem impossible.
 
Bullet Drive said:
An average of 36 after playing only one test innings in Asia is pretty decent for a 21 year old batsman who's played in England, Australia, New Zealand & West Indies.
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I do have to laugh!

He hasnt played for two years....

Dropped from the ODI side with an AVE of 38...

What next?

He'll be dropped from the T20 side....
 
MR__KHAN__JI said:
I do have to laugh!

He hasnt played for two years....

Dropped from the ODI side with an AVE of 38...

What next?

He'll be dropped from the T20 side....
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Dropped from his domestic side... oh wait he has. Dropped from his domestic side but averaging 60
 
He'll make it back to the ODI and test team in future. Just bide your time.

Not that he'll make it to the top 10 of the run-scorers list in any case, but perhaps the highest Pakistani scorer?
 
cook will break sachins records in tests & kohli will break sachins records in odis

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Varun said:
He'll make it back to the ODI and test team in future. Just bide your time.

Not that he'll make it to the top 10 of the run-scorers list in any case, but perhaps the highest Pakistani scorer?
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don't see any current Pakistani bat breaking :jm 's records.
 
HamzaSaeen said:
don't see any current Pakistani bat breaking :jm 's records.
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Inzamam was the only batsman who came close. I remember him needing 6 or 7 odd in his last test innings to surpass Miandad, when he threw away his wicket going for a slog.

Cook might surpass Sachin in tests. I honestly dont see anyone breaking his ODI record for a long time. There is daylight between Sachin and the second highest run scorer in ODI's.
 
Hitman said:
Nah, Bradman's (batting average).
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Bradman himself took training from Vivian Farhat and Sir Ravindra Jadeja. They are the masters, the others but disciples

Quote from Tendulkar's Biography:- Why I shall never match Sir Jadeja or Vivan Farhat?
 
From current lots, no one is going to make 100 international centuries.
 
Reverselap said:
Cook might catch up in tests alone though

Waiting for Mr.KhanJi to bring in boy wonder in 5....
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Yaah, if we take test and ODI separately then I can see Cook and may be Kohli having a shot at it.

If not Cook then some great bat form Eng/Aus will have a shot in future. They play lot of tests. From other countries, you need to have some teen genius starting early to have a shot.
 
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Buffet said:
Yaah, if we take test and ODI separately then I can see Cook and may be Kohli having a shot at it.
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Cook, I agree. For Kohli, we should wait, this could just be a purple patch. He hasn't shown that he's good against teams other than Sri Lanka/spin based attacks, which would include the score against us
 
I'm sure Sachin's record in tests and ODI's separately will be beaten one day.

But it'll take a long time before someone beats his overall record, if at all.
 
Reverselap said:
Cook, I agree. For Kohli, we should wait, this could just be a purple patch. He hasn't shown that he's good against teams other than Sri Lanka/spin based attacks, which would include the score against us
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I don't agree with this. Kohli has played 42 matches against SL/Pak/BD, three spin heavy teams. He has 7 hundreds here. Then he has played 52 matches against pace heavy teams( Eng, Aus, WI, SA, NZ). He has 5 hundreds.

Clearly, he has done better against spin attacks but that is expected from an Indian but he has done enough against pace bowlers. Also, SC teams play more ODI matches so Kohli being better against spin will help him to score more 100's.

True, Kohli is not at the same stage in ODI when compared to Cook in tests but out of current lots, he is the only one seems like having a shot in ODI.
 
Yeah, he's young and has a better chance. However, this CT will show how close he can come to Sachin's record. If he fails against better bowling attacks, he'll need to improve or else he has no chance
 
I don't care honestly. Sachin became an all time great back in the 90's itself, back then he didn't have any records under his belt. He'll remain among the very best ever even if 10 more players break his record. What record does Viv Richards have apart from the fastest century in Tests? That doesn't make him a lesser genius. Don't get me wrong, holding a record is a big honor and it gives a fair idea of how great a player is, but it's not compulsory to hold a record to be considered a great/genius.
 
This CT will be a BIG test for Kohli, lets see how he goes against tough opposition.
 
Virat Kohli in ODIs & Alistair Cook in Tests

..at this rate, these two are likely to surprass Tendulkar's records in the two formats mentioned.

Kohli: 14 ODI hundreds, avg 49
Cook: 25 Test hundreds, avg 49

Phenomenal stats.
 
They have to keep scoring runs.A cricketers career is not a striaght graph.It will go up and come down as well.
 
Just goes to show how consistent Tendulkar was across bothl formats. You are comparing 2 players vs 1.
 
Can't say anything about Kohli it's still early 14 centuries in 106 matches if he can play like 300 ODI's and continue this form he will endup having around 40 centuries still behind Sachin 49 ODI centuries it's all depends on how Kohli perform in future and how many more matches he will play before the retirement...

Same can be said about Cook he played 92 Test matches and is already 28 he can do it if he play around 180-200 Test matches he need to improve his average also because sachin average in Test is almost 54 while Cook is 49 and i think about Cook future we will be able to give a better answer after Ashes...
 
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WebGuru said:
Can't say anything about Kohli it's still early 14 centuries in 106 matches if he can play like 300 ODI's and continue this form he will endup having around 40 centuries still behind Sachin 49 ODI centuries it's all depends on how Kohli perform in future and how many more matches he will play before the retirement...

Same can be said about Cook he played 92 Test matches and is already 28 he can do it if he play around 180-200 Test matches he need to improve his average also because sachin average in Test is almost 54 while Cook is 49 and i think about Cook future we will be able to give a better answer after Ashes...
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Also at this very stage Tendulkar avgd almost 59 in tests.
 
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