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Sachin Tendulkar vs Virat Kohli - A statistical comparison

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Found this piece in the net and it was a very interesting read and a great analysis.

Part 1: Tests

Tendulkar has played 200 Test matches, scored 15921 runs and notched up 51 centuries, each a World Record in itself. All this, at a very impressive average of 53.78. In contrast Kohli has played 41 matches so far but his average is considerably lower at 44.02. At the same stage of his career, Tendulkar had an excellent average of 54.92. Going by these numbers alone, there is no comparison between the two. Tendulkar wins hands down.

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However, in Tests, away performances carry far greater weight and are a truer indicator of batting greatness. For an Asian batsman, exploits in performances outside of Asia are particularly cherished. Outside Asia, excluding Zimbabwe, Kohli averages a respectable 44.42. However, even here Tendulkar beats him comfortably with an average of over just over 50 in his 1st 41 matches. But the area in which Tendulkar truly scores over Kohli are home performances. After 41 matches Tendulkar averaged a whopping 67.43 compared to a sub-standard 46.04 of Kohli.

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If Kohli were to continue his current performance up to 38 years of age, he would end up with 9500 runs and 35 centuries, miles away from Tendulkar’s nearly 16000 runs and 51 centuries. In fact, he would need to play up to the age of 48 years to match Tendulkar’s run tally; not just improbable but impossible.

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More ever, Tendulkar played in the 1990’s when there were truly great bowlers and the pitches were more bowling friendly. To illustrate the point, of those who played greater than 20 matches in the 90’s, only 4 players averaged more than 50. Tendulkar led the charts with an average of 58, Steve Waugh comes a distant second with an average of 53 and he didn’t have to face the great Aussie bowlers of his period. In contrast, from 2000 onwards, keeping the same minimum qualification of 20 matches, no less than 23 players have averaged above 50! By common consensus, among his contemporaries, only Lara was comparable to Tendulkar while any of Root, Smith, Williamson and Warner can give Kohli a run for his money.

While these are early days yet, and Kohli might go on to become a truly great Test batsman, it is safe to say that he is unlikely to break Tendulkar’s records.

Part 2: ODI’s

It is in the One Day Internationals that the comparison becomes truly fascinating. As of today, Kohli clearly has the superior numbers. Kohli averages 52 to Tendulkar’s 45 at a superior strike rate. Further, he scores a century once every 7 matches, while Tendulkar needed 9.5 matches. If Kohli were to continue at this rate till the age of 38, he would nearly match Tendulkar’s run tally and actually end up scoring 59 centuries, 10 more than Tendulkar. In fact, at this rate, it will take Kohli only 7 more years to match Tendulkar’s centuries records; scarily, he would only be 35 at that time.

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He is already number 4 on the maximum centuries list. It is a mind boggling achievement, 25 centuries in 171 matches; Jayasuriya at number 3 on the list took 445 matches to score 28 centuries while Sangakkara at number 5 has taken 404 matches to score 25 centuries.

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But perhaps, it is not an entirely fair comparison. Tendulkar spent his early career batting low down the order, not having the chance to make the maximum impact. It is only when he started to open the innings that he truly came into his own. Similarly for Kohli, number 3 & 4 have been the positions at which he has had the maximum impact. Thus, all our comparisons hereafter will be Tendulkar opening and Kohli at 3 & 4. In these positions, Tendulkar’s average shoots up to 48.29 while Kohli’s increases only marginally to 53.64. Also now Tendulkar scores a century every 7.5 innings. An interesting fact is that Tendulkar is clearly the better batsman when setting targets. He averages 51 to Kohli’s 43. However, Kohli averages a whopping 63 when chasing to Tendulkar’s 46. The difference between the two is glaring. Further, Kohli has scored 15 centuries in just 92 matches when chasing and 13 of these have resulted in victories. His average in won matches while chasing is a Bradman-esque 87.

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In fact, Kohli’s average while chasing is the highest among all players who have played more than 25 matches; AB De Villiers is a distant 2nd followed by another legend Michael Bevan. It is almost as if when there is a chase in front of Kohli, an inner compass gets activated and a computer program directs his game. To put it simply, Kohli is the greatest chaser the game has seen thus far.

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One area where Kohli has a lot of catching up to do is his performance in knockout matches. Tendulkar has a phenomenal record in knockout matches, averaging 52.25 at a strike rate of 85.48 along with 7 centuries in 53 matches. Kohli, on the other hand, averages less than half of that at 24.4 along with a middling strike rate of 74.39 and no centuries. There is no reason to lose heart though, as he has played only 12 of those matches so far and will have plenty of chances to prove himself in the future. Tendulkar’s average at the same stage of the career, though much better than Kohli, wasn’t exceptional either, with an average of 38.58

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Part 3: Peer Comparison

One important fact that is lost in all these numbers is that ODI cricket today is a very different beast than to what it was in 1989, when Tendulkar made his debut more than 27 years ago. The pitches have become flatter, the bats bigger and the boundaries smaller. The scores shot up, the strike rates rocketed and the bowlers became 2nd class citizens. Kohli made his debut in 2008 whereas Tendulkar was at his best in the 90’s when bowlers still dictated terms. Hence, we decided that a true comparison will have to normalize all these variables.

Tendulkar’s career spanned from December of 1989 to March of 2012. During this period, the average of all innings played at No 1 to No 6 position was 32.24 and the strike rate 73.77. Tendulkar averaged 44.83 at a strike rate of 86.23. In One Day cricket, Strike Rate is just as important as averages and hence average is not an adequate parameter for comparison. One solution is to multiply these two numbers and then make the comparison. Using this method Tendulkar’s performance is 1.63 times better than his contemporaries. The corresponding number for Kohli is very similar at 1.68. Hence, using this more nuanced method, it appears that both Tendulkar and Kohli are equally ahead of the pack.

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One last comparison that is necessary is the comparison of Tendulkar and Kohli with the other greats of their era. Using the methodology described above, among Tendulkar’s contemporaries only Bevan comes out ahead—40 points to Tendulkar’s 39. However, Tendulkar recorded these numbers over 463 matches to Bevan’s 232 matches. The others including Ponting, Kallis, Anwar and Jayasuriya are far behind. Whereas, in the case of Kohli, AB De Villiers pips him comfortably at 55 points to Kohli’s 47. Amla and Dhoni are just behind at 46.5. This indicates that while Tendulkar was clearly the best ODI batsman of his era, Kohli has stiff competition from AB De Villiers, Dhoni and Amla.

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Conclusion:
As far as Tests are concerned, Kohli has miles to go before even being comparable to Tendulkar. However, in ODIs, the comparison between Tendulkar and Kohli is far closer. Currently, Kohli’s career average is far higher than Tendulkar’s and he scores centuries at a much faster rate than Tendulkar. However, when we consider Tendulkar’s numbers merely as an opener with Kohli at 3 & 4, their respective preferred positions, Tendulkar’s numbers improve significantly, though Kohli still comes out better. If we merely consider matches in which India has won, Kohli comes out ahead averaging 70 to Tendulkar’s 60. Tendulkar is better when batting first, while Kohli is miles ahead when chasing. However, in the all-important knockout matches, where there is a perception that Tendulkar struggles, he has an astounding record averaging above 50 and is well ahead of Kohli.

In the peer comparison normalized for different eras, both Kohli and Tendulkar come out equally ahead of their peers. However, while Tendulkar was the undisputed best ODI player of his era, Kohli has AB De Villiers, Amla and Dhoni as worthy competitors. Considering all these factors together, as things stand today, Tendulkar is the better Test batsman while Kohli is the better ODI batsman.

Future is notoriously hard to predict, and this analysis is more an exercise in frivolity rather than any scientific prediction. What is evident though is that Kohli will find it almost impossible to break Tendulkar’s Test records, whereas he has a fair chance of surpassing Tendulkar’s ODI records if he is able to maintain his form and fitness as well as matching Tendulkar’s longevity.

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Your thoughts?
 
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With that Test record, Kohli can never become even half of the batsman Tendulkar ever was.
 
Wow never knew Kohli has already racked up 40+ Test matches.

He really needs to cash in on his form over next 3 years and have big big years in test cricket. Otherwise he will fall behind Williamson, Smith and Root in the discussion
 
Kohli hasn't dominated a odi world cup like Sachin has and until he does that which I'm sure he will do at some point in his career it is difficult to rate him ahead of Tendulkar in odi's.
When kohli's career ends I have no doubt he will be the better odi player though. As far as Tests go it remains to be seen as Kohli has a long road ahead of him.
 
Never knew Kohli had that ordinary Test record. So much hype for only scoring meaningless tons in b-laterals v/s Sri Lanka.
 
Never knew Kohli had that ordinary Test record. So much hype for only scoring meaningless tons in b-laterals v/s Sri Lanka.

He has been touring abroad for the last few years continously and has hardly played at home. And even at home pitches these days are minefields in tests.
 
Kohlis test average will be 50 or higher by the time he retires. Unlike our batsmen he doesnt have the luxury if batting on dead UAE wickets. His home series are played on rank turners
 
there are already 2 separate threads for these 2 players
this thread is gonna b same, endless stats war
 
I found even more fascinating piece of comparison. It was Tendulkar's 1998 form vs Kohli's 2016. Very identical.

Overall i don't think anyone would be more happier than Sachin if Kohli eventually betters him, as we know how passionate Sachin is about India.


So far I truly believe Kohli has taken ODI batting to the next level. He's 1 up anything Tendulkar or Viv have done. Kohli is already quite possibly the greatest LOI batsman of all time.

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Don't know why people trying to compare Kohli with Tendulkar thousands times..
Its better to compare Kohli with current generation players. Yes, you can compare Kohli with Tendulkar or Lara or Sanga once he is retired from cricket.

He is in the middle of his career, and we don't know how he will go from this point. What will be his over all record at the end of his career.

Yes, on thing is for sure. Kohli can become club level T20s ATG against club level bowlers, or may be also in T20Is too. But it doesn't matter much.

In ODIs and Tests, he will be looking like a mediocre player (at the end of his career) when ever he will be compared with Viv or Sachin or e.t.c

Believe that.
 
I found even more fascinating piece of comparison. It was Tendulkar's 1998 form vs Kohli's 2016. Very identical.

Overall i don't think anyone would be more happier than Sachin if Kohli eventually betters him, as we know how passionate Sachin is about India.


So far I truly believe Kohli has taken ODI batting to the next level. He's 1 up anything Tendulkar or Viv have done. Kohli is already quite possibly the greatest LOI batsman of all time.

[MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION]

And here the problem comes :) Don't worry, at the end of his career he will end up as 2 levels below Sachin and Viv :)
 
He has been touring abroad for the last few years continously and has hardly played at home. And even at home pitches these days are minefields in tests.

Only 4 tests vs SA had pitches like minefield and the spin attack isn't of top quality for teams like Aus, SA, NZ, Eng.Anyways, there are South African and England batsmen who have a knack of averaging higher away than at home.
 
More ever, Tendulkar played in the 1990’s when there were truly great bowlers and the pitches were more bowling friendly.

With that Test record, Kohli can never become even half of the batsman Tendulkar ever was.

I think their first 41 test games look almost the same. I look for tough tons vs tough bowlers.

In the 90s, Tendulkar only had 3 tons vs great bowling attacks outside Subcon; 2 vs Donald, 1 vs McWarne.

Kohli, in roughly the same amount of games, has 1 vs Anderson in England, 1 vs Southee/Boult, 1 vs Steyn, 2 vs Mitch Johnson. One's opinion of these may vary, though; the Mitch J innings' were on pretty big batting pitches.
 
Even though Kohli's chasing exploits are well documented and rightly praised; I feel that chasing shouldn't be considered superior to setting up the target especially in the context of Indian LOI teams, for the simple reason that the Indian bowling attack which most of the times oscillates between dreadful to above average tends to perform much better with a healthy total set for them in the 1st innings rather than them trying to prevent a healthy total being set for the batting order to chase. The cushion of runs on the board makes a huge difference to the psyche of the bowlers who don't exactly constitute a top class bowling attack and with astute LOI captaincy which Dhoni has delivered in the years gone by has helped India have a better chance of winning bowling second with a good total set up on the board.

Kohli definitely has to be commended for this chasing abilities but I'd much rather take a 1st innings-2nd innings ratio of 55-55 than 45-65 considering other factors.
 
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I think their first 41 test games look almost the same. I look for tough tons vs tough bowlers.

In the 90s, Tendulkar only had 3 tons vs great bowling attacks outside Subcon; 2 vs Donald, 1 vs McWarne.

Kohli, in roughly the same amount of games, has 1 vs Anderson in England, 1 vs Southee/Boult, 1 vs Steyn, 2 vs Mitch Johnson. One's opinion of these may vary, though; the Mitch J innings' were on pretty big batting pitches.

Kohli has a ton against Anderson in England, wow. That's news to me.

Great achievement.
 
I think their first 41 test games look almost the same. I look for tough tons vs tough bowlers.

In the 90s, Tendulkar only had 3 tons vs great bowling attacks outside Subcon; 2 vs Donald, 1 vs McWarne.

Kohli, in roughly the same amount of games, has 1 vs Anderson in England, 1 vs Southee/Boult, 1 vs Steyn, 2 vs Mitch Johnson. One's opinion of these may vary, though; the Mitch J innings' were on pretty big batting pitches.

Pics or didn't happen.
 
I think people are being too harsh on Kohli here. It's true that he has average Test stats when compared to Smith, Williamson and Root. But none of those batsmen had to play continuously overseas for consecutive 6 series. And finally when he got a chance to play at home, it was largely played on rank turners. And to be fair to Kohli, he has been the best batsman for India in these away tours averaging 47 and really had only one poor series in England.
 
In this era, an average of 44-45 in Test is still good considering the popularity of the format. In LOIs, he's already an ATG, I am sure most of the Indian fans want him to succeed more in LOIs than Test.
In Tests for India, the more focus is on the other batsmen like Vijay, Rahul, Rahane and Pujara who only feature in the Test format.
 
Will kohli surpass Sachin in ODI's?

Kohli at 27 is already one of the best ever ODI players in the history of the game. I think he already has a better match awareness and builds innings better than Sachin in LOIs. Sachin always looked to attack the best bowler in the opposition side. I remember him destroying McGrath, Olanga (he was a pretty good bowler), Steyn, Swann, Anderson, Warne and so many bowlers. But he also gave away his wicket a lot too in the process at the start of his innings. But Kohli is almost like a supercomputer in LOIs. I always see him as the batting version of McGrath. Kohli bats with as minimum unforced errors as possible at the start of the innings, he is circumspect against the best bowlers of the opposition initially and once he gets past his 50, he gradually increases his scoring pace and finishes his innings at a crescendo exploding at the final overs. It is the key to his mind boggling consistency in LOIs.

But still, Sachin was great at setting targets and pretty good at chasing too, only not as good as Kohli who is out of the world. But Kohli has been average at setting targets and only recently he has improved in that regard.

But above all that, I value the performances of a player in the world cups very highly, which is the highest level for a LOI cricketer. This is where otherwise brilliant players like AB and Amla fall short. And Sachin has one of the best world cup records ever whereas Kohli has been distinctly poor in that aspect. He has time though and can improve his record but at the moment, that separates him from Sachin at the moment in ODIs for me.
 
In Tests, the difference between the two is big in favor of Tendulkar.

In the Odis, Tendulkar has.dominated three WCs. 96, 2003 and 2011 while Kohli is yet to perform same way in any of the WCs he has played

Plus, Kohlis record in knock out Odi WC matches is very poor.
 
Kohli at 27 is already one of the best ever ODI players in the history of the game. I think he already has a better match awareness and builds innings better than Sachin in LOIs. Sachin always looked to attack the best bowler in the opposition side. I remember him destroying McGrath, Olanga (he was a pretty good bowler), Steyn, Swann, Anderson, Warne and so many bowlers. But he also gave away his wicket a lot too in the process at the start of his innings. But Kohli is almost like a supercomputer in LOIs. I always see him as the batting version of McGrath. Kohli bats with as minimum unforced errors as possible at the start of the innings, he is circumspect against the best bowlers of the opposition initially and once he gets past his 50, he gradually increases his scoring pace and finishes his innings at a crescendo exploding at the final overs. It is the key to his mind boggling consistency in LOIs.

But still, Sachin was great at setting targets and pretty good at chasing too, only not as good as Kohli who is out of the world. But Kohli has been average at setting targets and only recently he has improved in that regard.

But above all that, I value the performances of a player in the world cups very highly, which is the highest level for a LOI cricketer. This is where otherwise brilliant players like AB and Amla fall short. And Sachin has one of the best world cup records ever whereas Kohli has been distinctly poor in that aspect. He has time though and can improve his record but at the moment, that separates him from Sachin at the moment in ODIs for me.

Agreed kohli is very cautious at the start of his innings needs to improve in setting a target but when chasing there aren't many who I would have in place of Kohli. If he can lead India to a world cup think that will be enough to surpass Sachin in LOI. In tests he has a lot do to catch Sachin
 
Virat Kohli has never been tested against world class bowling in ODIs, and the tragedy is, so far there is only one world class ODI bowler in the world. Sachin faced many world class bowlers in ODIs. Yes, Virat Kohli's temperament is impressive, but yet to be tested against world class ODI bowlers.

As far as Test cricket is concerned, don't see Kohli matching Sachin, he won't average above 50 in Tests.
 
Virat Kohli has never been tested against world class bowling in ODIs, and the tragedy is, so far there is only one world class ODI bowler in the world. Sachin faced many world class bowlers in ODIs. Yes, Virat Kohli's temperament is impressive, but yet to be tested against world class ODI bowlers.

As far as Test cricket is concerned, don't see Kohli matching Sachin, he won't average above 50 in Tests.

Who are these world class ODI bowlers exactly ?
 
I like Kohli. If he had played in the 70's and 80's he would have broken all the records.
 
Kohli at 27 is already one of the best ever ODI players in the history of the game. I think he already has a better match awareness and builds innings better than Sachin in LOIs. Sachin always looked to attack the best bowler in the opposition side. I remember him destroying McGrath, Olanga (he was a pretty good bowler), Steyn, Swann, Anderson, Warne and so many bowlers. But he also gave away his wicket a lot too in the process at the start of his innings. But Kohli is almost like a supercomputer in LOIs. I always see him as the batting version of McGrath. Kohli bats with as minimum unforced errors as possible at the start of the innings, he is circumspect against the best bowlers of the opposition initially and once he gets past his 50, he gradually increases his scoring pace and finishes his innings at a crescendo exploding at the final overs. It is the key to his mind boggling consistency in LOIs.

But still, Sachin was great at setting targets and pretty good at chasing too, only not as good as Kohli who is out of the world. But Kohli has been average at setting targets and only recently he has improved in that regard.

But above all that, I value the performances of a player in the world cups very highly, which is the highest level for a LOI cricketer. This is where otherwise brilliant players like AB and Amla fall short. And Sachin has one of the best world cup records ever whereas Kohli has been distinctly poor in that aspect. He has time though and can improve his record but at the moment, that separates him from Sachin at the moment in ODIs for me.

ABD has done well in ODI WCs.Yes he has bashed the WI too much but has scored valuable runs vs other teams too.Not his fault he gets to face WI in every WC.
 
Sick of this statement that Kohli is the greatest ODI match winner (though he is still playing cricket)

Greatest?? He is not even equal to great. And i am not saying this, facts are saying.
In modern cricket when game is heavily in favor of Batsmen, he still can’t out class others.
Stats shows he is just an average player even in winning matches.
If you exclude minnows, that’s where he stands overall….

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But there is a very famous saying on PP that greatest is the player who performs better in away conditions.
So away conditions + matches won
Virat Kohli average drops to 59, but check others. They are still maintaining a better average than Kohli.
(Now please don’t cry about number of matches and bala bala bala, because it’s people who are saying Kohli is the greatest ODI match winner)

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I don’t think he is the greatest ODI match winner, he is an average match winner and that’s it. Yes, some people for the sake of their satisfaction, they claim that he is the best in chasing in case of victories. Well I think then India should always play Kohli when India is batting second.

Though I have done some research on batting second plus victory stats.
(People may say that sample of score runs is very low, but some of the top players runs are 1500+ and ABDV is nearly 2K, so I hope it’s not an excuse.)

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Surely not Greatest chaser he is in ODI history.

Now again one more logic that player is great if he performs good at England, Australia, NZ, SA against same teams.
I was checking for in case of victories, poor Kohli don’t even have 1k+ runs, so leave it.
So i did stats for over all scores against same teams at their backyards, sorry to say Kohli is still not the Greatest.

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None of the above proves that he is the greatest ODI player, he is the greatest ODI match winner, he is the greatest 2nd innings winner.
Now people can raise a point that he is still playing cricket, he has a long long career ahead and if we compare current situation, he will perform good and will become greatest ODI player or match winner or chaser or e.t.c

If this is the question, then why do many many people says that he is ALREADY greatest ODI player, winner or chaser?
We don’t know the future, he may become a poor player, he may regress and millions of things can happen to his ODI career.
In modern game when every thing is about batsman, small grounds, flat tracks, not legendary bowlers and all. While back in history when batting was the most difficult thing, fast pitches, brilliant bowlers and all other reasons.
 
Sick of this statement that Kohli is the greatest ODI match winner (though he is still playing cricket)

Greatest?? He is not even equal to great. And i am not saying this, facts are saying.
In modern cricket when game is heavily in favor of Batsmen, he still can’t out class others.
Stats shows he is just an average player even in winning matches.
If you exclude minnows, that’s where he stands overall….

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But there is a very famous saying on PP that greatest is the player who performs better in away conditions.
So away conditions + matches won
Virat Kohli average drops to 59, but check others. They are still maintaining a better average than Kohli.
(Now please don’t cry about number of matches and bala bala bala, because it’s people who are saying Kohli is the greatest ODI match winner)

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I don’t think he is the greatest ODI match winner, he is an average match winner and that’s it. Yes, some people for the sake of their satisfaction, they claim that he is the best in chasing in case of victories. Well I think then India should always play Kohli when India is batting second.

Though I have done some research on batting second plus victory stats.
(People may say that sample of score runs is very low, but some of the top players runs are 1500+ and ABDV is nearly 2K, so I hope it’s not an excuse.)

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Surely not Greatest chaser he is in ODI history.

Now again one more logic that player is great if he performs good at England, Australia, NZ, SA against same teams.
I was checking for in case of victories, poor Kohli don’t even have 1k+ runs, so leave it.
So i did stats for over all scores against same teams at their backyards, sorry to say Kohli is still not the Greatest.

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None of the above proves that he is the greatest ODI player, he is the greatest ODI match winner, he is the greatest 2nd innings winner.
Now people can raise a point that he is still playing cricket, he has a long long career ahead and if we compare current situation, he will perform good and will become greatest ODI player or match winner or chaser or e.t.c

If this is the question, then why do many many people says that he is ALREADY greatest ODI player, winner or chaser?
We don’t know the future, he may become a poor player, he may regress and millions of things can happen to his ODI career.
In modern game when every thing is about batsman, small grounds, flat tracks, not legendary bowlers and all. While back in history when batting was the most difficult thing, fast pitches, brilliant bowlers and all other reasons.

According to your stats about won matches away from home, Atapattu is a better ODI batsman than Kohli.

Find me one , just one non biased cricket fan or expert who thinks that Atapattu is a better ODI batsman than Kohli.
 
Sick of this statement that Kohli is the greatest ODI match winner (though he is still playing cricket)

Greatest?? He is not even equal to great. And i am not saying this, facts are saying.
In modern cricket when game is heavily in favor of Batsmen, he still can’t out class others.
Stats shows he is just an average player even in winning matches.
If you exclude minnows, that’s where he stands overall….

View attachment 67113

But there is a very famous saying on PP that greatest is the player who performs better in away conditions.
So away conditions + matches won
Virat Kohli average drops to 59, but check others. They are still maintaining a better average than Kohli.
(Now please don’t cry about number of matches and bala bala bala, because it’s people who are saying Kohli is the greatest ODI match winner)

View attachment 67114

I don’t think he is the greatest ODI match winner, he is an average match winner and that’s it. Yes, some people for the sake of their satisfaction, they claim that he is the best in chasing in case of victories. Well I think then India should always play Kohli when India is batting second.

Though I have done some research on batting second plus victory stats.
(People may say that sample of score runs is very low, but some of the top players runs are 1500+ and ABDV is nearly 2K, so I hope it’s not an excuse.)

View attachment 67115

Surely not Greatest chaser he is in ODI history.

Now again one more logic that player is great if he performs good at England, Australia, NZ, SA against same teams.
I was checking for in case of victories, poor Kohli don’t even have 1k+ runs, so leave it.
So i did stats for over all scores against same teams at their backyards, sorry to say Kohli is still not the Greatest.

View attachment 67116

None of the above proves that he is the greatest ODI player, he is the greatest ODI match winner, he is the greatest 2nd innings winner.
Now people can raise a point that he is still playing cricket, he has a long long career ahead and if we compare current situation, he will perform good and will become greatest ODI player or match winner or chaser or e.t.c

If this is the question, then why do many many people says that he is ALREADY greatest ODI player, winner or chaser?
We don’t know the future, he may become a poor player, he may regress and millions of things can happen to his ODI career.
In modern game when every thing is about batsman, small grounds, flat tracks, not legendary bowlers and all. While back in history when batting was the most difficult thing, fast pitches, brilliant bowlers and all other reasons.

Wow, Greenroars you are a Legend. Thanks for taking out the time and making this effort to expose Kohli who is a Good Batsman but not the best yet.

POTW for me.
 
Truly an eye opening post by #Greenroars there, busted the myth behind Kohli.
 
Kohlinistas be like :sree

Some fans should really let go of hyperbole though
 
Sick of this statement that Kohli is the greatest ODI match winner (though he is still playing cricket)

Greatest?? He is not even equal to great. And i am not saying this, facts are saying.
In modern cricket when game is heavily in favor of Batsmen, he still can’t out class others.
Stats shows he is just an average player even in winning matches.
If you exclude minnows, that’s where he stands overall….

View attachment 67113

But there is a very famous saying on PP that greatest is the player who performs better in away conditions.
So away conditions + matches won
Virat Kohli average drops to 59, but check others. They are still maintaining a better average than Kohli.
(Now please don’t cry about number of matches and bala bala bala, because it’s people who are saying Kohli is the greatest ODI match winner)

View attachment 67114

I don’t think he is the greatest ODI match winner, he is an average match winner and that’s it. Yes, some people for the sake of their satisfaction, they claim that he is the best in chasing in case of victories. Well I think then India should always play Kohli when India is batting second.

Though I have done some research on batting second plus victory stats.
(People may say that sample of score runs is very low, but some of the top players runs are 1500+ and ABDV is nearly 2K, so I hope it’s not an excuse.)

View attachment 67115

Surely not Greatest chaser he is in ODI history.

Now again one more logic that player is great if he performs good at England, Australia, NZ, SA against same teams.
I was checking for in case of victories, poor Kohli don’t even have 1k+ runs, so leave it.
So i did stats for over all scores against same teams at their backyards, sorry to say Kohli is still not the Greatest.

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None of the above proves that he is the greatest ODI player, he is the greatest ODI match winner, he is the greatest 2nd innings winner.
Now people can raise a point that he is still playing cricket, he has a long long career ahead and if we compare current situation, he will perform good and will become greatest ODI player or match winner or chaser or e.t.c

If this is the question, then why do many many people says that he is ALREADY greatest ODI player, winner or chaser?
We don’t know the future, he may become a poor player, he may regress and millions of things can happen to his ODI career.
In modern game when every thing is about batsman, small grounds, flat tracks, not legendary bowlers and all. While back in history when batting was the most difficult thing, fast pitches, brilliant bowlers and all other reasons.

Someone averaging 65 with 17 hundreds in matches won is average? So are the players below him, like Viv, average as well?

For the matches won chasing, do you notice those 10 centuries? That means Kohli set up the chase by himself, while the others mostly contributed with 50s.
 
I can't understand why only the 'wins' are considered when judging a batsman. Do people remove the wickets taken by bowlers in losses? It's as absurd as that..
 
According to your stats about won matches away from home, Atapattu is a better ODI batsman than Kohli.

Find me one , just one non biased cricket fan or expert who thinks that Atapattu is a better ODI batsman than Kohli.
No that's not what the Stats claim and I think you need to learn how to deduce conclusions from stats cuz clearly that isn't a strong point

Only in one chart is Atapattu placed higher than Kohli due to average. But his SR is considerably lower so if you really know how to understand cricketing stats you would understand that a marginal difference of a few runs does not overtake the massive difference is strike rate

Also that is just one chart from a series of charts where Kohli almost always ends up behind a bunch of other batsmen

So don't blame GR for your inability to understand a post wholly
 
Kohli is definitely among the greatest chaser of all time. As per the given stat above on chasing record, Dhoni, Bevan and ABD are ahead. It's pretty obvious that Dhoni and Bevan are finishers so they are expected to have superior avg due to not outs. ABD also has good amount of not outs and although he has scored runs even in 2nd innings but he certainly has a flaw of not able to finish off the games on his own. Not many of his knocks have resulted in win while chasing. So, clearly Kohli has to be the most talked name in terms of greatest chaser of all time.
 
Now let’s have a check on a myth that Virat Kohli is better match winner than Sachin Tendulkar in ODIS.

Rubbish
Virat Kohli at away conditions against home teams Australia or England or New Zealand or South Africa
(Applying great logic of match winning)

Only 8 victories ( Not a big sample, but not my fault because people says he is better winner than Sachin)
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Chalo now let’s expand the criteria, and change it to over all victories at both home or away conditions

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Slightly better average than Sachin, but useless. Because Sachin faced 10x better bowlers at 10x better pitches than Kohli has faced in his career.

Come back to me when he prove that he is better match winner than Sachin after playing 400 matches, ok forget 400, after playing 300+ matches and a handsome amount of matches at away conditions.

And i am sure you people will find him very below than Sachin Tendulkar.

Sachin at his time faced best bowlers of cricket history at bowling friendly pitches. Not like Kohli who is happy smashing current generation bowlers under batting friendly conditions.

*Btw sorry for using yellow color for Kohli, actually i hate this color :))
 
Kohli is a legend in making. But let's not compare him to the GOAT yet. :sachin
 
Kohli has a ton against Anderson in England, wow. That's news to me.

No, you're right. Kohli's Anderson ton wasn't in Eng, but I couldn't edit my post.

So Kohli only has 3 or 4 away tons to Tendulkar's 3. Their quality depends on how highly you rank Kohli's Aussie exploits, and how highly you rate Tendy's taming of Donald the Beast.
 
Don't know why people trying to compare Kohli with Tendulkar thousands times..
Its better to compare Kohli with current generation players. Yes, you can compare Kohli with Tendulkar or Lara or Sanga once he is retired from cricket.

He is in the middle of his career, and we don't know how he will go from this point. What will be his over all record at the end of his career.

Yes, on thing is for sure. Kohli can become club level T20s ATG against club level bowlers, or may be also in T20Is too. But it doesn't matter much.

In ODIs and Tests, he will be looking like a mediocre player (at the end of his career) when ever he will be compared with Viv or Sachin or e.t.c

Believe that.

Take your bias out and he will be the greatest LOI player of all time.
 
Because Sachin faced 10x better bowlers at 10x better pitches than Kohli has faced in his career.

That makes no sense, because your analysis precisely ignores pitches.

Read carefully:

Kohli is at the start of his career. He has thus far played 63 ODI games vs non Minnows OUTSIDE of Subcontinent. In these games he has an average of 46 with 7 tons.

Tendulkar, throughout the entire 1990s (73 games - 10 more games than Kohli thus far), vs non Minnows OUTSIDE of Subcontinent, averaged 30.9 with 1 ton. This 1 ton was played on a soggy, rain afflicted, match-reduced field in Singapore.

Inside the subcontinent (including UAE), vs non minnows, Kohli has played 85 ODI games. He averages 53 with 14 tons.

Tendulkar, inside the subcontinent (including UAE), vs non minnows, during the same period of his career, averaged 41, with 7 tons.
 
Kohli can never win against Tendu on pakpassion. Indians can never accept that someon'e better than Sachin and Pakistanis can never accept that Kohli's that good. Kohli just scored 4 tons in the lions den against the Aussies vs Johnson, Starc, Harris and Hazelwood and people still talk about his failures vs Eng years ago.

Kohli is one of the best LOI players ever. He is poised to be the best ever LOI player.
His test record is amazing after that series against Eng. He scored runs everywhere else in the world. He will be one of the best Test bats when he retires. He is probably one of the very best in T20Is already and there is more to come.
 
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Kohli can never win against Tendu on pakpassion. Indians can never accept that someon'e better than Sachin and Pakistanis can never accept that Kohli's that good. Kohli just scored 4 tons in the lions den against the Aussies vs Johnson, Starc, Harris and Hazelwood and people still talk about his failures vs Eng years ago.

There's a big difference in the kind of pitches Kohli batted on. You could argue that Sachin got his most boring double hundred on a flat one, but it doesn't explain away the fact that the team he was up against were the masters of an era and broke everyone else down psychologically if not with their skills.

That said, Kohli's Adelaide knock will take on anything Sachin played in Australia barring the Perth and Sydney hundreds he scored as an 18 year old. Those are on another level due to the sheer quality displayed at such a young age which no one else had done before or since. People take for granted a young player playing like a seasoned pro. It happened with Sachin. And it has since happened only with Messi.

Kohli on his part has revived fading interest in cricket among Indians and that only happens when you are truly special.

Found this piece in the net and it was a very interesting read and a great analysis.
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Your thoughts?

A very good statistical read. Too bad you didn't write it :(
 
This is why [MENTION=66397]Green[/MENTION]roars post doesn't capture the ability of a batsman. To win a game, you need contribution from bowlers and batsmen. A batsman who scores in a losing cause should not be ignored.

Kohli's overall record in tests in Australia:

8 (M)- 16 (I)- 992 (R)- 62 (AVG) (5 hundreds and 2 50s)

Here's his record when India won the games in AUS

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That's because Kohli was never a part of test winning team in AUS.

The Australians, South Africans and the yesteryear WI greats will always dominate if you consider records during wins. Thats because they have a balanced line up and win more percentage of games.
 
A very good statistical read. Too bad you didn't write it :(

Lmao dude, what comment of mine ticked you off, that Viv was the GOAT in ODIs?

I'm a Sachin bhakt as well brother:amla

Show me how to prove my loyalty. Every single blood cell of mine carries information regarding every single one of Sachin's hundred centuries. Please let me be the pillion rider in your army of the Sachin brotherhood brother:sachin
 
Bunch of kids fighting over who's better than who. Nonetheless, commendable effort [MENTION=139664]street cricketer[/MENTION]
 
Bunch of kids fighting over who's better than who. Nonetheless, commendable effort [MENTION=139664]street cricketer[/MENTION]

It's not mine. I found this while surfing the net. I don't want brother pillion rider to catch me in the act again:narine
 
So it means Amla was 4th best ODI batsman in this generation :srt. not bad not bad :amla
 
Stats nitpicking

Kohli made the debut at age of 19 years and 10 months

Matches 171
Runs 7212
100s 25
Avg 51
SR 90

SRT from same age
Matches 171
Runs 6841
Avg 46
SR 89
100s 23
 
‘Kohli could pass Sachin’s records’, says Glenn McGrath

Glenn McGrath has witnessed Virat Kohli destroying attacks and duelled it out with another great marauder from the past — Sachin Tendulkar.

How does the Aussie pace ace compare Kohli with Tendulkar? McGrath replied to The Hindu, “I don’t like to compare eras. Every era makes it own demands and the pitches, generally, are better for batting these days. Sachin, on his day, could decimate attacks. Kohli is a very attacking batsman too.”

On what would be his methods against Kohli, McGrath said, “Kohli is a quality batsman, a confidence player, and as a bowler, I will cut off his scoring areas and build pressure. He is good through the off-side, I would block him there. He is good off his legs too and again I would deny him runs in that area.”

McGrath added, “Kohli is solid technically, has an aggressive attitude, goes about his cricket with passion and I would like to play on his mind, prevent him from scoring freely.”

The great Australian elaborated.

“And I would bowl an in-between length at Kohli, neither too full nor too short and cramp him for room.”

There are other tactics too, McGrath says, that could work against Kohli. “For instance, you could have an aggressive field and bowl a defensive line. There are areas to score but the ball is not there to be hit. It forces mistakes.”

Then there is the classic McGrath ploy, hitting the top of off-stump. “The length for this depends from wicket to wicket and from batsman to batsman. When I bowl this line, I would want a full slip cordon. There is nothing worse for a bowler than to see the ball going through an empty area in the cordon.”

On how far Kohli could travel in his extraordinary journey, McGrath answered, “If he continues to bat the way he is doing now, he could well go past Sachin’s records.”

http://www.thehindu.com/sport/crick...ecords-says-glenn-mcgrath/article22936556.ece
 
Well Kohli is surely going to break Sachin's ODI century record and possibly the runs tally too. I am not convinced that he will get past Sachin's test tally though.
 
Well Kohli is surely going to break Sachin's ODI century record and possibly the runs tally too. I am not convinced that he will get past Sachin's test tally though.

I don't think anybody can break Tendulkar's run tally in ODIs. Kohli can further play 120 ODI max, which eon't be enough. I can see Kohli getting to 16k runs. India doesn't play as many ODIs as they used to, and Kohli doesn't seem like the player who will stick around fot long after he becomes 36/37
 
I don't think anybody can break Tendulkar's run tally in ODIs. Kohli can further play 120 ODI max, which eon't be enough. I can see Kohli getting to 16k runs. India doesn't play as many ODIs as they used to, and Kohli doesn't seem like the player who will stick around fot long after he becomes 36/37

If he maintains his fitness he can play till 40.
 
If he maintains his fitness he can play till 40.

I remember Kohli saying something like he doesn't see himself playing as long as players of previous generation. It's not about fitness, some playerd call it quits when they think it's enough. Ie, Sangakkara
 
I remember Kohli saying something like he doesn't see himself playing as long as players of previous generation. It's not about fitness, some playerd call it quits when they think it's enough. Ie, Sangakkara

Those are the smarter ones. :tahir2
 
As another poster mentioned, Kohli has never dominated a world cup like Tendulkar did, Sachin dominated 96, 2003, 2011 world cup's.

Kohli hasn't faced the bowlers Sachin had to face: McGrath, Warne, Donald, Murali, Ambrose, Walsh, Wasim, Waqur (however Sachin only played them in the 99 test series and 89 series).
 
I dont think Kohli can ever reach the heights of Tendulkar in test cricket.

It is not about performance in one country but the fact that SRT was the one that easily stood out to anyone in test format over such a long career. He was the most complete player ever against spin, pace, bounce, swing or seam.

In comparison, Kohli easily falls short of Smith in test cricket as far as this era players are concerned.While Smith's peak average is 64, for Kohli it is only 54.

Then there is a big difference of longevity between the two in tests. SRT at age of 25, was averaging 58 and people started comparing him with Don Bradman while for Kohli, he was averaging 44-45 only with a lot to prove.

Although, Kohli can still become an ATG in tests but he might not become a GOAT in tests.
 
Sachin vs Virat Test Comparison

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[tr][td] [/td][td]S.Mat [/td][td]V.Mat [/td][td] [/td][td]S.Runs [/td][td]V.Runs [/td][td] [/td][td]S.Ave [/td][td]V.Ave [/td][td] [/td][td]S.100 [/td][td]V.100 [/td][td] [/td][td]S.50 [/td][td]V.50 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]overall [/td][td]200 [/td][td]66 [/td][td] [/td][td]15921 [/td][td]5554 [/td][td] [/td][td]53.78 [/td][td]53.4 [/td][td] [/td][td]51 [/td][td]21 [/td][td] [/td][td]68 [/td][td]16 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]v Australia [/td][td]39 [/td][td]15 [/td][td] [/td][td]3630 [/td][td]1322 [/td][td] [/td][td]55 [/td][td]50.84 [/td][td] [/td][td]11 [/td][td]6 [/td][td] [/td][td]16 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]v Bangladesh [/td][td]7 [/td][td]2 [/td][td] [/td][td]820 [/td][td]256 [/td][td] [/td][td]136.66 [/td][td]85.33 [/td][td] [/td][td]5 [/td][td]1 [/td][td] [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]v England [/td][td]32 [/td][td]14 [/td][td] [/td][td]2535 [/td][td]977 [/td][td] [/td][td]51.73 [/td][td]44.4 [/td][td] [/td][td]7 [/td][td]3 [/td][td] [/td][td]13 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]v New Zealand [/td][td]24 [/td][td]7 [/td][td] [/td][td]1595 [/td][td]735 [/td][td] [/td][td]46.91 [/td][td]66.81 [/td][td] [/td][td]4 [/td][td]3 [/td][td] [/td][td]8 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]v Pakistan [/td][td]18 [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td]1057 [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td]42.28 [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td]2 [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td]7 [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]v South Africa [/td][td]25 [/td][td]9 [/td][td] [/td][td]1741 [/td][td]758 [/td][td] [/td][td]42.46 [/td][td]47.37 [/td][td] [/td][td]7 [/td][td]2 [/td][td] [/td][td]5 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]v Sri Lanka [/td][td]25 [/td][td]9 [/td][td] [/td][td]1995 [/td][td]1004 [/td][td] [/td][td]60.45 [/td][td]77.23 [/td][td] [/td][td]9 [/td][td]5 [/td][td] [/td][td]6 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]v West Indies [/td][td]21 [/td][td]10 [/td][td] [/td][td]1630 [/td][td]502 [/td][td] [/td][td]54.33 [/td][td]38.61 [/td][td] [/td][td]3 [/td][td]1 [/td][td] [/td][td]10 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]v Zimbabwe [/td][td]9 [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td]918 [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td]76.5 [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td]3 [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td]3 [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]in Australia [/td][td]20 [/td][td]8 [/td][td] [/td][td]1809 [/td][td]992 [/td][td] [/td][td]53.2 [/td][td]62 [/td][td] [/td][td]6 [/td][td]5 [/td][td] [/td][td]7 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]in Bangladesh [/td][td]7 [/td][td]1 [/td][td] [/td][td]820 [/td][td]14 [/td][td] [/td][td]136.66 [/td][td]14 [/td][td] [/td][td]5 [/td][td]0 [/td][td] [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]in England [/td][td]17 [/td][td]5 [/td][td] [/td][td]1575 [/td][td]134 [/td][td] [/td][td]54.31 [/td][td]13.4 [/td][td] [/td][td]4 [/td][td]0 [/td][td] [/td][td]8 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]in India [/td][td]94 [/td][td]32 [/td][td] [/td][td]7216 [/td][td]2921 [/td][td] [/td][td]52.67 [/td][td]63.5 [/td][td] [/td][td]22 [/td][td]10 [/td][td] [/td][td]32 [/td][td]10 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]in New Zealand [/td][td]11 [/td][td]2 [/td][td] [/td][td]842 [/td][td]214 [/td][td] [/td][td]49.52 [/td][td]71.33 [/td][td] [/td][td]2 [/td][td]1 [/td][td] [/td][td]5 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]in Pakistan [/td][td]10 [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td]483 [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td]40.25 [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td]1 [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td]2 [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]in South Africa [/td][td]15 [/td][td]5 [/td][td] [/td][td]1161 [/td][td]558 [/td][td] [/td][td]46.44 [/td][td]55.8 [/td][td] [/td][td]5 [/td][td]2 [/td][td] [/td][td]3 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]in Sri Lanka [/td][td]12 [/td][td]6 [/td][td] [/td][td]1155 [/td][td]394 [/td][td] [/td][td]67.94 [/td][td]43.77 [/td][td] [/td][td]5 [/td][td]2 [/td][td] [/td][td]4 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]in West Indies [/td][td]10 [/td][td]7 [/td][td] [/td][td]620 [/td][td]327 [/td][td] [/td][td]47.69 [/td][td]36.33 [/td][td] [/td][td]1 [/td][td]1 [/td][td] [/td][td]5 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]in Zimbabwe [/td][td]4 [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td]240 [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td]40 [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td]0 [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td]2 [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]home [/td][td]94 [/td][td]32 [/td][td] [/td][td]7216 [/td][td]2921 [/td][td] [/td][td]52.67 [/td][td]63.5 [/td][td] [/td][td]22 [/td][td]10 [/td][td] [/td][td]32 [/td][td]10 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]away [/td][td]106 [/td][td]34 [/td][td] [/td][td]8705 [/td][td]2633 [/td][td] [/td][td]54.74 [/td][td]45.39 [/td][td] [/td][td]29 [/td][td]11 [/td][td] [/td][td]36 [/td][td]6 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]is captain [/td][td]25 [/td][td]35 [/td][td] [/td][td]2054 [/td][td]3456 [/td][td] [/td][td]51.35 [/td][td]65.2 [/td][td] [/td][td]7 [/td][td]14 [/td][td] [/td][td]7 [/td][td]6 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]is not captain [/td][td]175 [/td][td]31 [/td][td] [/td][td]13867 [/td][td]2098 [/td][td] [/td][td]54.16 [/td][td]41.13 [/td][td] [/td][td]44 [/td][td]7 [/td][td] [/td][td]61 [/td][td]10 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]matches batting first [/td][td]91 [/td][td]35 [/td][td] [/td][td]8227 [/td][td]2726 [/td][td] [/td][td]58.34 [/td][td]43.96 [/td][td] [/td][td]29 [/td][td]8 [/td][td] [/td][td]32 [/td][td]8 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]matches fielding first [/td][td]109 [/td][td]31 [/td][td] [/td][td]7694 [/td][td]2828 [/td][td] [/td][td]49.63 [/td][td]67.33 [/td][td] [/td][td]22 [/td][td]13 [/td][td] [/td][td]36 [/td][td]8 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1st team innings [/td][td]199 [/td][td]65 [/td][td] [/td][td]11300 [/td][td]3808 [/td][td] [/td][td]60.1 [/td][td]60.44 [/td][td] [/td][td]38 [/td][td]17 [/td][td] [/td][td]46 [/td][td]7 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2nd team innings [/td][td]147 [/td][td]50 [/td][td] [/td][td]4621 [/td][td]1746 [/td][td] [/td][td]42.78 [/td][td]42.58 [/td][td] [/td][td]13 [/td][td]4 [/td][td] [/td][td]22 [/td][td]9 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1st match innings [/td][td]91 [/td][td]35 [/td][td] [/td][td]5608 [/td][td]1736 [/td][td] [/td][td]65.97 [/td][td]49.6 [/td][td] [/td][td]20 [/td][td]6 [/td][td] [/td][td]20 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2nd match innings [/td][td]108 [/td][td]30 [/td][td] [/td][td]5692 [/td][td]2072 [/td][td] [/td][td]55.26 [/td][td]74 [/td][td] [/td][td]18 [/td][td]11 [/td][td] [/td][td]26 [/td][td]4 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]3rd match innings [/td][td]73 [/td][td]29 [/td][td] [/td][td]2996 [/td][td]976 [/td][td] [/td][td]46.81 [/td][td]36.14 [/td][td] [/td][td]10 [/td][td]2 [/td][td] [/td][td]15 [/td][td]5 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4th match innings [/td][td]74 [/td][td]21 [/td][td] [/td][td]1625 [/td][td]770 [/td][td] [/td][td]36.93 [/td][td]55 [/td][td] [/td][td]3 [/td][td]2 [/td][td] [/td][td]7 [/td][td]4 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]won match [/td][td]72 [/td][td]32 [/td][td] [/td][td]5946 [/td][td]2780 [/td][td] [/td][td]61.93 [/td][td]57.91 [/td][td] [/td][td]20 [/td][td]9 [/td][td] [/td][td]24 [/td][td]9 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]lost match [/td][td]56 [/td][td]17 [/td][td] [/td][td]4088 [/td][td]1166 [/td][td] [/td][td]37.16 [/td][td]34.29 [/td][td] [/td][td]11 [/td][td]5 [/td][td] [/td][td]18 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]drawn match [/td][td]72 [/td][td]17 [/td][td] [/td][td]5887 [/td][td]1608 [/td][td] [/td][td]65.41 [/td][td]73.09 [/td][td] [/td][td]20 [/td][td]7 [/td][td] [/td][td]26 [/td][td]5 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2nd position [/td][td]1 [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td]15 [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td]15 [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td]0 [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td]0 [/td][td] [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]3rd position [/td][td] [/td][td]4 [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td]97 [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td]19.4 [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td]0 [/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4th position [/td][td]177 [/td][td]43 [/td][td] [/td][td]13492 [/td][td]4092 [/td][td] [/td][td]54.4 [/td][td]61.07 [/td][td] [/td][td]44 [/td][td]17 [/td][td] [/td][td]58 [/td][td]7 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]5th position [/td][td]26 [/td][td]19 [/td][td] [/td][td]1552 [/td][td]950 [/td][td] [/td][td]59.69 [/td][td]43.18 [/td][td] [/td][td]5 [/td][td]3 [/td][td] [/td][td]6 [/td][td]6 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]6th position [/td][td]14 [/td][td]5 [/td][td] [/td][td]745 [/td][td]404 [/td][td] [/td][td]43.82 [/td][td]44.88 [/td][td] [/td][td]2 [/td][td]1 [/td][td] [/td][td]4 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]7th position [/td][td]3 [/td][td]1 [/td][td] [/td][td]117 [/td][td]11 [/td][td] [/td][td]29.25 [/td][td]11 [/td][td] [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td] [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][/tr]
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Both of them need goodwill of thier captain to stay in the playing XI, ofc they have to say kohli is the best �� not that much would have change ,if they said otherwise but you know ? Anyone would play it safe:wa
 
Having watched almost all the matches where Sachin has played (few of them live) and being one of his biggest and craziest supporters, I have to accept that Virat may exceed him by the time he hangs up his boots. If Virat retains his peak until 2023 world cup there won't be any doubt about this question.
 
The fact that Virat comes up even both statistically and in mindshare already itself shows that he will end up a greater player. but as they say he is going further because he is travelling on the giant shoulders of Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman, Ganguly, Sehwag and others.. the Indian cricket Virat inherited is totally different from the one Tendulkar inherited.. so statistics will never make much sense. Having had the pleasure of watching all the above top batsman along with Gavaskar (only his last international century against NZ in 1987 WC), i have to say Gavaskar will always remain a notch above all of them :).. But Virat has made me his reluctant ****** :)
 
virat is better in crunch situations in test cricket . Tendulkar avg at home was inflated . england , south africa, new zealand west indies touring india without any decent spinners inflated tendulkar avg
tendulkar was good but not Kohli level in tests

in one day , feel tendulkar was better than kohli . only cos he could destroy attacks in his younger days . post injuries tendulkar was ok but still performed well. Kohli chases well but Tendulkar was not that behind
 
Tendulkar in tests by quite a distance, Kohli in ODIs only slightly.
 
Tendulkar DOMINATED three world cups.

In tests he’s ahead by far

In ODIs also Kohli’s bilateral series records in this era don’t take him ahead of Tendulkar with his MONSTROUS World Cup record
 
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