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Shakib Al Hasan overrated as an all-rounder?

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He is a dud with the bat, only feasts against Zimbabwe, terrible in the field also a liability with the ball against decent opposition.

He is mentally very fragile, after a recent true news came out about his personal life it seems it has affected his performance which we have noticed in PSL and now his poor performance and nervousness was seen today.

I think Bangladesh should drop Shakib as he is a negative influence in the team, he has been a bad role model for the newer generation of Bangladesh. Replace him with Nasir Hossain or the under19 captain who's a decent player and quite a humble bloke unlike big headed Shakib.

Discuss.

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You're just sour because he became more popular in Bangladesh than your favourite player.
 
Today Shakib was just disgraceful the guy can't bowl,bat or field.i hate when Ather say all the time he is no.1 allrounder.the guy is only good for the poor Zimbabwe
 
street cricketer said:
You're just sour because he became more popular in Bangladesh than your favourite player.
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I don't support fixers, once a fixer always a fixer, out of my heart for life. :asif

Discussion is based on his poor performance against quality opposition. He bats like a tailender and bowls like shehzad (ahmed), I consider Jadeja's bowling more effective than Shakib's. Jadeja learns from his mistake and has a never die attitude unlike Shakib who is mentally very fragile. Too much publicity and Shakib being given VIP treatment for a mediocre cricketer and to think he is better than Shane Watson, what a disgrace :afaq
 
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Guys you can talk about his ability of playing sports but not personal life and no personal remarks.

Keep that in mind.

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Nothing exceptional overrated Player reminds of old Bangla team... To make bangal a non-minow need to get rid of him

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Certainly not a t20 Star. Dude can't clear the boundaries. But in other formats he is one of the finest all rounder at present
 
Ashraful_Rox said:
He is a dud with the bat, only feasts against Zimbabwe, terrible in the field also a liability with the ball against decent opposition.

He is mentally very fragile, after a recent true news came out about his personal life it seems it has affected his performance which we have noticed in PSL and now his poor performance and nervousness was seen today.

I think Bangladesh should drop Shakib as he is a negative influence in the team, he has been a bad role model for the newer generation of Bangladesh. Replace him with Nasir Hossain or the under19 captain who's a decent player and quite a humble bloke unlike big headed Shakib.

Discuss.

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Pray Shakib to rescue you ;-) (currently batting :-) )
 
Pretty ordinary even against UAE, got out of a full toss, disgraceful. Picked up a few tailenders, moral victory for him.
 
lol, if he was over-rated than he wont be number 1 in ICC ranking for so long...

Anyways he is out of form... happens with the best.. Even guys like Tendulkar Lara Kallis had peak and off peak years... nothing to worry...
 
Just so people are clear - when referring to players or fans of Bangladesh players, use the term Bangladesh fans etc
 
Let's see how he fares against Sri Lanka today. I am expecting a 4 ball 1 run and will leak at least 35 runs if he bowls his full quota.
 
My brother Ashru was right there.

He is over rated as a spinner for sure.
 
Imran Hasan said:
He played this match with injury moreover he is out of form. Hope he will come back stronger in the WC
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No point in playing him then, sunny would have been a better pick.
I think Bangladesh should have sent mortaza or hossain in earlier to take ashwin on.
 
Can't bat, can't bowl and he is the number 1 all rounder, what a joke. Bashing Zimbabwe doesn't make one number 1 rounder. Mahmudullah is a better all rounder then Shakib, Mahmu also scored two tons overseas, doesn't go on and make arrogant comments, humble down to earth person. Shakib should be replaced with Mehedi Hasan.
 
Shakib is still the best player Bangladesh have produced. He certainly did have a bad tournament but he is class.
 
Sandeep said:
Shakib is still the best player Bangladesh have produced. He certainly did have a bad tournament but he is class.
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Nope. Shakib was just a good player in a rubbish Bangladesh team that's why fans started treating him as a legend. Now that there are a few players performing people are starting to realise that he is overrated. I think Mahmudullah and Mustafizur will be regarded higher at the end of their careers.
 
Dios said:
Nope. Shakib was just a good player in a rubbish Bangladesh team that's why fans started treating him as a legend. Now that there are a few players performing people are starting to realise that he is overrated. I think Mahmudullah and Mustafizur will be regarded higher at the end of their careers.
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Let them play as much cricket as Shakib played and then we can start judging.
 
without a shadow of doubt today his pathetic bowling and even more pathetic field setting by Mashrafe lost BD the match
 
Kudos to him, he played with injury... a bad outing against the worlds best team does not make him awful (again with injury)...
 
tonmoy said:
Kudos to him, he played with injury... a bad outing against the worlds best team does not make him awful (again with injury)...
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I don't understand. Why would BD play him knowing he has an injury? Clearly he has not been in the best of forms.
 
Shakib is a good player. And a competitive one. This cannot be argued.

However, does it have it in him to take his game to the next level is what we will have to wait and watch. He was the best performing player in a team of below average performers. Now that he has more support, he should be more comfortable in performing his role.
 
Just checked that this guy is still 28?! :O Thought he'd be at least in his early 30s by now.

As the user above me said, it is weird that he outshone everyone and was a class allrounder when the rest of his team was mediocrity defined. But now that the rest of his team is looking good, he has regressed.
 
arrogant as they come. i remember when bangladesh was playing a match against a minnow and they had one to win, he refused the single to win the match because he wanted to end it with a boundary. i would love to see him pull that kind of stunt in the mlb.
 
Played a terrible knock along with Mushy, and bowling has been worse. He has become a minnow basher, well he always was, picked up 4fer against Oman but all those deliveries looked like hit me balls. Went for 39 runs in 4 overs. Let's see how he fares against Aussies.
 
Heroic knock today not his fault the others panicked. Looked dead set to take the team home but ran out of partners.

It was like watching Kaate all over again. All the players like the robbers in the movie get killed during the heist and then that one guy whose wife hates him gets away with all the money, Shakib was that guy.
 
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Suleiman said:
Heroic knock today not his fault the others panicked. Looked dead set to take the team home but ran out of partners.

It was like watching Kaate all over again. All the players like the robbers in the movie get killed during the heist and then that one guy whose wife hates him gets away with all the money, Shakib was that guy.
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Witch match where you watching ?
He was batting At 100 SR when the RRR was At 12 (200SR).
That was a hell of a poor innings!
 
My blood starts to boil every time I see him, I don't know why but I'm damn sure I'm not the only one.
 
Mobashir said:
Witch match where you watching ?
He was batting At 100 SR when the RRR was At 12 (200SR).
That was a hell of a poor innings!
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Yeah but he tried his best and showed guts. Took on Amir even and launched a threatening Malik. Call him whatever but he's a street fighter.
 
Shakib was never a 150+ batsman.

He was always adept at rotating the strike and finding the odd boundary. He is a grafter at best and a good one at that. We lost the match when our openers failed to get the runs during the powerplay.

Actually, we could never get anywhere close to 202. We don't have batsman to score big runs
 
Somewhat overrated for sure, he's a big choker as well as an irresponsible and immature batsman. His batting average against top sides in opposition countries is beyond mediocre in test.

In England- 13.00
In South Africa- 11.50
In Sri Lanka- 12.00

He averages 53 in West Indies because of the 2009 tour where he played against a third string patch up West Indies team. He's certainly no Imran Khan. As for the recent double century, he had fours lives and was really lucky.

As a bowler however, he's pretty good in subcontinent conditions and quite brilliant outside subcontinent (for a spinner, much better than Ashwin and Yasir Shah). I would rate him higher if his batting wasn't so reckless and immature for a senior player who has been playing for over a decade
 
Joseph Gomes said:
Somewhat overrated for sure, he's a big choker as well as an irresponsible and immature batsman. His batting average against top sides in opposition countries is beyond mediocre in test.

In England- 13.00
In South Africa- 11.50
In Sri Lanka- 12.00

He averages 53 in West Indies because of the 2009 tour where he played against a third string patch up West Indies team. He's certainly no Imran Khan. As for the recent double century, he had fours lives and was really lucky.

As a bowler however, he's pretty good in subcontinent conditions and quite brilliant outside subcontinent (for a spinner, much better than Ashwin and Yasir Shah). I would rate him higher if his batting wasn't so reckless and immature for a senior player who has been playing for over a decade
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If you rate Shakib low due to his poor batting in England, you must rate Tamim above someome like Sehwag for the exact same reason. Are you willing to do that?
 
Shutdown Corner said:
If you rate Shakib low due to his poor batting in England, you must rate Tamim above someome like Sehwag for the exact same reason. Are you willing to do that?
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Not sure what Tamim and Sehwag has to do here, but I don't rate players based on England performance only. Otherwise Kohli would be worse than some tailenders with his 13.40 average. Shakib's batting has been on decline since 2012 Asia Cup and he bats recklessly when his team need him.
 
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Joseph Gomes said:
Not sure what Tamim and Sehwag has to do here, but I don't rate players based on England performance only. Otherwise Kohli would be worse than some tailenders with his 13.40 average. Shakib's batting has been on decline since 2012 Asia Cup and he bats recklessly when his team need him.
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But his Test batting average has gone up from the mid 30s to past 40 now in that time frame.

I agree he's reckless and not technically spound, but its not possible for a hack to average 40 even against mediocre sides on flat tracks.
 
Have said it multiple times before.. Finger spin is not very useful outside of dustbowls.. If he can win matches with ball in Asia while being a decent away bat that should be good enough to be considered a quality all-rounder.

Over reliance on finger spin has been the reason why asian sides can't succeed in alien conditions. Pakistan has had pace attack but on the other hand their batting wasn't good enough.
 
He does not get enough credit because he does not play for England, Australia, and India.

The guy can perform in all 3 formats.
 
He's an world class cricketer.

In fact I would say he's an under rated and often an under performer. He's a natural talent with un orthodox batting style.


He's a greater batsman than what he does in T20 franchise leagues.

Look at his batting when in the Bangladesh shirts.. :)
 
He is already a modern day great. Don't tell me anything else. He is the best allrounder in the world.

Someone told me he isn't impact player. You don't believe impact. Coming at 13/3 and scoring 110
 
If we are to advance to the semis depending on firestarter knocking out Aussies, he needs to perform. Well played today, need him to finish it off next time instead of getting bowled
 
no shakib is not overrated at all, his bowling is genuinely handy, and he is a clutch batsman. he is bangladeshs greatest every cricketer for good reason, would make any side in the world, test or odi
 
Is "Shakib-Al-Hasan" an ATG ?

Bangladeshi all rounder Shakib Al Hasan is currently the ''runaway leader'' in the latest ICC All rounders rankings across two of the most important formats of cricket ie tests and odis. Even in t20s he is among the top three all rounders.


He is like "an one man army" for his team and his consistent exploits have made him one of the greatest all rounders of this generation. In last 30 years he is one of the only two elite players who has managed to take two five wicket hauls and score a fifty in a single test on two occasions.


Also remember the fact that he is the only all rounder in the history of test cricket who has a five wicket haul against all the other test playing nation.

I think he has already achieved the status of an ATG. Do you consider him as an ATG ? :sm
 
Yes he is. Better than any English all-rounder since Botham.
 
Ab Fan said:
Yes he is. Better than any English all-rounder since Botham.
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Better than Stokes? Career wise maybe, but that is only because they are at different points int heir careers. Wasn't Hafeez ranked as the number 1 all rounder at one point, shows how much you should ignore the rankings
 
silentkiller187 said:
Better than Stokes? Career wise maybe, but that is only because they are at different points int heir careers. Wasn't Hafeez ranked as the number 1 all rounder at one point, shows how much you should ignore the rankings
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Career wise may be? Lol

Shakib is better than Stokes in every single format. Even in current form he's ahead of Stokes. No competition.
 
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barah_admi said:
hahahahah atg? Come off it. ATGs dont miss out away tours to SA.
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He's one of the most important players in Bangladesh line up. Before sa tour, he wasn't feeling OK with his body which made him believe that he wouldn't be able to give his 100% during the match and therefore decided to take a break.

Nothing wrong with that. Last time he played in south africa he decimated their batting lineup with his mesmerising spin and took a fifer. He enjoys playing in Sa.
 
Ab Fan said:
Yes he is. Better than any English all-rounder since Botham.
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That's correct and more or less everybody agrees with the fact that he has been the best all rounder in cricket in last 8/10 years.

But this is about whether he's an atg or not. Do u consider him as an atg
 
RainMan_ said:
That's correct and more or less everybody agrees with the fact that he has been the best all rounder in cricket in last 8/10 years.

But this is about whether he's an atg or not. Do u consider him as an atg
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I think yes.

If he wins his team a WC in 2019, he will be regarded as one of the most influential cricketers to have ever played the game.
 
RainMan_ said:
That's correct and more or less everybody agrees with the fact that he has been the best all rounder in cricket in last 8/10 years.

But this is about whether he's an atg or not. Do u consider him as an atg
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How many months in his entire career Shakib has been ranked in the top 10 in batting in the test format?

How many months in his entire career Shakib has been ranked in the top 10 in bowling in the test format?

Compare that with any ATG all rounder and you will get your answer.
 
RainMan_ said:
He's one of the most important players in Bangladesh line up. Before sa tour, he wasn't feeling OK with his body which made him believe that he wouldn't be able to give his 100% during the match and therefore decided to take a break.

Nothing wrong with that. Last time he played in south africa he decimated their batting lineup with his mesmerising spin and took a fifer. He enjoys playing in Sa.
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He is one of bang's best...he isn't one of the best in history.

And he decimated SA? They scored 130 runs off of him and scored 441 all together.

You might want to look up the definition of decimate.

On top of all that, he couldn't bat haha
 
If you are the #1 AR in the world, you should take a difficult overseas trip as a challenge rather than abandoning your team in their time of need.
 
Buffet said:
How many months in his entire career Shakib has been ranked in the top 10 in batting in the test format?

How many months in his entire career Shakib has been ranked in the top 10 in bowling in the test format?

Compare that with any ATG all rounder and you will get your answer.
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U can't judge him in that way. He plays in all three formats and he's equally effective in every single of them. Furthermore, his team plays a handful no of test in each calender year so it'sx difficult for him to consistently remain in the top ten as a batsman or a bower.

Look at his individual performance both as a bowler and a batsman against all the top teams in every single format and then compare it to the other great allrounders.
 
Napa said:
If you are the #1 AR in the world, you should take a difficult overseas trip as a challenge rather than abandoning your team in their time of need.
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Shakib has already taken many difficult challenges in his career. But u can't force a player to play if he's injured or fatigued. He's the last player who would shy away from a challenge. He always thrives in challenging environment.
 
barah_admi said:
He is one of bang's best...he isn't one of the best in history.

And he decimated SA? They scored 130 runs off of him and scored 441 all together.

You might want to look up the definition of decimate.

On top of all that, he couldn't bat haha
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They scored 130 runs off him, so what. Look at the no of overs he bowled in that match, look at the type of pitch on which the match was played on, look at the no of wickets he took and then compare it to the performance of other subcontinental spinners who played there in the past.

It was great performance. Easily one of the best by any subcontinental spinner.
 
Napa said:
If you are the #1 AR in the world, you should take a difficult overseas trip as a challenge rather than abandoning your team in their time of need.
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Agree.I don't care whatever the reason might be,He should've played that series.Overseas opportunity are very rare for teams like Bangladesh and he should've been smart enough to not miss them.
 
RainMan_ said:
U can't judge him in that way. He plays in all three formats and he's equally effective in every single of them. Furthermore, his team plays a handful no of test in each calender year so it'sx difficult for him to consistently remain in the top ten as a batsman or a bower.

Look at his individual performance both as a bowler and a batsman against all the top teams in every single format and then compare it to the other great allrounders.
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ATG player do make their mark some where otherwise you are simply arguing about him being better then all rounders which England loves to play.

If you are an ATG or even close, you have to be in top 10 in either batting or bowling for an extended period, otherwise there is no need to debate about a player being ATG based on bunch of other factors.

Why anyone will look at his individual contribution against top team and all that. Those comes much later and he need to be first consistent enough in one skill to be ranked in in the top 10 for some period. You didn't ask about him being a BD great. You are asking for a benchmark which is reserved for best players in history. Him being valuable player for BD is not getting debated.
 
Napa said:
If you are the #1 AR in the world, you should take a difficult overseas trip as a challenge rather than abandoning your team in their time of need.
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Abd did same against england and worse thing was he was playing t20 league for money.
 
Buffet said:
ATG player do make their mark some where otherwise you are simply arguing about him being better then all rounders which England loves to play.

If you are an ATG or even close, you have to be in top 10 in either batting or bowling for an extended period, otherwise there is no need to debate about a player being ATG based on bunch of other factors.

Why anyone will look at his individual contribution against top team and all that. Those comes much later and he need to be first consistent enough in one skill to be ranked in in the top 10 for some period. You didn't ask about him being a BD great. You are asking for a benchmark which is reserved for best players in history. Him being valuable player for BD is not getting debated.
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Disagree with u since ur logic didn't make any sense to me. Why does a player need to be consistent in one single skill and be in the top 10 in batting or bowling ranking when we r taking about a pure all rounder?


What u were describing in ur post was the characteristics of a batting or bowling all rounder. A bowling all rounder will naturally find himself in the list of top 10 batters while won't be anywhere near in the list of top 10 batsman whereas a bowling all rounder will make easily to the top 10 bowlers list but won't be get into the top 10 batters list. But here we r talking about shakib who's a pure all rounder, which means that he isn't the best in either of the department individually rather good at both departments.


Shakib is in the 3rd position among all the elite all rounders who has a positive difference between his batting and bowling avg. Only sobers and kallis r better than him in this regard.

If u look at the all the all rounders who r regarded as the best of the game u'll see most of them were good at one but mediocre at the others. Shakib is the one of the very few all rounders who's equally good in all departments. Look at Botham who averages in low 20 in Lois whereas shakib averages 40. But if u compare their bowling average in Lois then u'll see they r almost equal.

U'll find same anomaly if u compare shakib with kapil. Kapil will come out as an inferior batter. Shakib is the only 40+ average batsman who has 16 Fife five-hour. Pls Go and take a look at the record of all the well known atg all rounders and compare them with shakib, u'll see shakib is easily as good as them if not better.
 
Savage said:
Agree.I don't care whatever the reason might be,He should've played that series.Overseas opportunity are very rare for teams like Bangladesh and he should've been smart enough to not miss them.
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How can a player play if he's injured or has some niggle in his body. He plays in all three formats for Bangladesh and works like a machine. He's the most important player In our team, which is why management didn't want to take any risk with him.

But I agree with u regarding the fact that overseas tours r rare for Bangladesh. That's the fault of dysfunctional icc which works just to serve few individual rich boards.
 
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Is he the best player in BD? Yes
Is he the best AR in Asia? Yes
Is he an ATG? No
Can he be an ATG? No

He is good batsman and an above average bowler. Teams would kill to have a player like that. But, to be an ATG, you need to be one of the best ever in either batting or bowling. Shakib is way more than a bits and pieces player and way less than the best batsman or best bowler in the world.
 
RainMan_ said:
Disagree with u since ur logic didn't make any sense to me. Why does a player need to be consistent in one single skill and be in the top 10 in batting or bowling ranking when we r taking about a pure all rounder?


What u were describing in ur post was the characteristics of a batting or bowling all rounder. A bowling all rounder will naturally find himself in the list of top 10 batters while won't be anywhere near in the list of top 10 batsman whereas a bowling all rounder will make easily to the top 10 bowlers list but won't be get into the top 10 batters list. But here we r talking about shakib who's a pure all rounder, which means that he isn't the best in either of the department individually rather good at both departments.


Shakib is in the 3rd position among all the elite all rounders who has a positive difference between his batting and bowling avg. Only sobers and kallis r better than him in this regard.

If u look at the all the all rounders who r regarded as the best of the game u'll see most of them were good at one but mediocre at the others. Shakib is the one of the very few all rounders who's equally good in all departments. Look at Botham who averages in low 20 in Lois whereas shakib averages 40. But if u compare their bowling average in Lois then u'll see they r almost equal.

U'll find same anomaly if u compare shakib with kapil. Kapil will come out as an inferior batter. Shakib is the only 40+ average batsman who has 16 Fife five-hour. Pls Go and take a look at the record of all the well known atg all rounders and compare them with shakib, u'll see shakib is easily as good as them if not better.
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16 five-fors.
 
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