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Should Malik be in the plans for the 2019 WC?

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*sallu* said:
Fair play to Malik did an excellent job today and won the game for us. He deserves the accolades he has received today.

However, I am still by no means convinced he is our messiah. He struggles as much as anyone against half a decent pacer. Was beaten on numerous occasions by Ishant Sharma and was lucky not to face more than a couple of balls from Kumar.

Sad thing is all our batters are cannon fodder for half decent Int'l standard pacers
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i think it was intentional not to move feet too much...and play safe...
 
Black Zero said:
it's just academic, Pakistan hasn't played test vs india in last 5 years...
statgru hasn't got any option for (odis+t20s)...
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So all of a sudden, it became REASONABLE to combined all format? :)))


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saeed-sohail said:
I praised his innings in good ten posts. Saying that was no ball does not mean it was against Malik. Malik had played beautifully and if we had lost it would have been down to Kami. What people don't understand that we want Pak to do well and who ever is not deserving a place will get criticism.

I am a huge YK fan but he has no business in the ODI squad because he has been poor in that format for last three years.
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SS bhai it was a clear no ball. Even if it wasnt overly high Hafeezs dismissal was one for the over.

I am less of a Malik fan than you guys btw lol
 
Finally, a long overdue inning! Well Done Malik. Mubarak ho Pakistan team!

It's unfair to expect Malik to score 50 all the times even though it's impossible considering the position he gets to bat at. It took early collapse of top orders to allow Malik to score 50 in today, otherwise, he wouldn't scored 50 either. There is the reason why Inzimam couldn't score century when he has demoted himself to lower order to groom Younus Khan in one position (worst decision ever), and ever since, he was able to score 30-50 at best, and chased the team even with in the expected range.

We have to understand that Malik can provide 30-40 at best considering the situation he gets to bat in, and the position he gets to bat at. I won't say that Malik should be able to score another 50 because that would mean another collapse from the top order batting line. So, pipe down with average and statistics because they don't define the accurate understanding of match winning's inning. Malik's 39 was enough for Pakistan to defeat England too considering he has played according to the situation, and Alhamdulillah! Pakistan won that match too.

I hate those who manipulate the statistics to suit their agendas. The last time he played in 2010, and ever since, he has been disappeared from Pakistan squad till now. He has come back after one and half year as player who was out of practice, and appeared very rusky in game. Also, he has been in and out of team consistently. When Misbah has retired from T20, Malik was picked, and started to get consistent run in T20. So far, he has been tremendous player, Masha'Allaah!, and Insha'Allaah! he will repeat the same in ODI after the retirement of Misbah and Younus in ODI.

If you look at the statistics, you can manipulate in a way to suit your agenda, for instance, he has been struggling to score 50 in the past 3 years, in contrast, he has been out of team until now and why Malik couldn't has fifty until now. The reason is simple because it's hard to score fifty from the position he gets to bat at. At best, he can provide within the range of 30-40 even though he has to play very risky shots in under pressure most of times thank to the reputation Pakistan top batting order line has built.

Overall, he has done fine job so far. I am not bothered about average, 50,...etc because at the end, wins matter the most, and he does the job given the limited resource. If he has batted at one down, forget 50, you might even get 100 in T20, Insha'Allaah! because he was only batsman who could easily score within that range of 100-150 runs whenever he has batted at one down under Inzimam's captaincy in ODI format. Give that position back, and he might surprise us, Insha'Allaah!

Otherwise, It's time to be realistic. Expecting 50 from his position is like expecting 100 runs in 30 balls. That's impossible task. Nor i want Pakistan top batting order to collapse again in order for Malik to score 50 because we know he can score fifty and century and he has, but it's important that Pakistan top order batting need to be looked at. We know he will deliver when we need him especially in under pressure chasing condition, Insha'Allaah! Time to back him now because he is one of rare batsman who can be tremendous in chasing even though he may not be consistent and he is the best we have, and we are struggling in chasing big time. I am praying that the problem in chasing gets sorted out, and Insha'Allaah! Malik will be solution to that problem in ODI format.

May Allaah (SWT) bless you, Shoaib Malik, Ameen!
 
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MalikMohsin said:
I hate those who manipulate the statistics to suit their agendas.
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:)) You are soooo funny MM.... !!!
So.... is it OK in Islam to hate somebody for just manipulating stats? :)) What would Allaah (SWT) say for hating someone for manipulating stats?

MalikMohsin said:
Finally, a long overdue inning! Well Done Malik. Mubarak ho Pakistan team!

It's unfair to expect Malik to score 50 all the times even though it's impossible considering the position he gets to bat at.

We have to understand that Malik can provide 30-40 at best considering the situation he gets to bat in, and the position he gets to bat at.

Otherwise, be realistic. Expecting 50 from his position in the team is like 100 runs in 30 balls.
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What positions that would be MM??? #8, #7 or ....? :P ...and in what format?

MalikMohsin said:
May Allaah (SWT) bless you, Shoaib Malik, Ameen!
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Maaaan..... I really envy Malik now! :))
 
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Not just his batting, but what a cracking piece of fielding to get Rohit Sharma out.

Bullseye from quite a distance.
 
Excellent innings from malik today ! Shown time and time again why he deserves to be in the side !
 
W63L35 said:
:)) You are soooo funny MM.... !!!
So.... is it OK in Islam to hate somebody for just manipulating stats? :)) What would Allaah (SWT) say for hating someone for manipulating stats?


What positions that would be MM??? #8, #7 or ....? :P ...and in what format?


Maaaan..... I really envy Malik now! :))
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Assalamu Alaikum!

Your never-ending contribution in this thread continues to amaze me. Kaise ho!

I hate drug, pig, Zionist, traitor, terrorist, and you name it. Better to hate the harmful activities that makes it easier to stay away from them. Nowadays, we can manipulate the statistics easily to fool people. I am not trying to link this to you. Although, it's true that i have lost respect for those who manipulate statistics to suit their needs. Indeed, we are in deception era. :akhtar

Better to hate wrong action than a cricketer who is human being, most importantly, a Muslim who belongs the same Ummaah of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

I don't hate you. You are one of the best Poster in PakPassion and ex-Mod. I respect you a lot. So, relax! :ajmal

May Allaah (SWT) rewards you with never-ending blessings, Ameen!

I mean it. Good to chat to you again!
 
LethalSami said:
Its Not his fault that we don't play India often

only performs against India so he can show his wife..............so he can finally get off that couch
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I am sorry, I forgot his triple 100 vs India ...in T20 WC in september!
 
MalikMohsin said:
I hate drug, pig, Zionist, traitor, terrorist, and you name it. Better to hate the harmful activities that makes it easier to stay away from them. Nowadays, we can manipulate the statistics easily to fool people. I am not trying to link this to you. Although, it's true that i have lost respect for those who manipulate statistics to suit their needs. Indeed, we are in deception era. :akhtar
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So...drugs, pig, Zionist, traitor, terrorists are same as posters who manipulate the statistics to suit their agendas?? :))

I told you ... you are funny!! :))


MalikMohsin said:
Better to hate wrong action than a cricketer who is human being, most importantly, a Muslim who belongs the same Ummaah of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).
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Posters who manipulate the statistics to suit their agendas.....are human beings too! :(
:P

MalikMohsin said:
I don't hate you.
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Did I say you hate me? You said you only hate...Posters who manipulate the statistics to suit their agendas! :P



MalikMohsin said:
May Allaah (SWT) rewards you with never-ending blessings, Ameen!
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Just for this ..... let's me say ... Malik is my favorite batsman today! :) Thank you!
 
W63L35 said:
So...drugs, pig, Zionist, traitor, terrorists are same as posters who manipulate the statistics to suit their agendas?? :))

I told you ... you are funny!! :))




Posters who manipulate the statistics to suit their agendas.....are human beings too! :(
:P


Did I say you hate me? You said you only hate...Posters who manipulate the statistics to suit their agendas! :P




Just for this ..... let's me say ... Malik is my favorite batsman today! :) Thank you!
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You are comparing. I am not. I hate those who manipulate the statistics to suit their needs because of my experience in other site. That is long story. Although, this is very serious issue. People can be easily misled. That's why i don't react well to this action.

Again, you are comparing, i am not. Less said about thecomparison thing, the better.

Just to clarify, you won't get confused. I don't want people to get wrong idea. So, i make it crystal clear that i don't hate you. No more confusion. Why stretch it any further now? This matter is over now.


This is my last post. I don't see this conversation going anywhere. May Allaah bless you, Ameen!

Take care!
 
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Malik sucks...nice to see the fantards wetting themselves with joy after 3 years of tailender level batting...that too over a T20 vs Sharma Dinda, Jadeja and others.
 
Glad Malik played well and played HIS PART in victory but looking at his success starved chamchay one would think he has scored a match winning hundred in world cup final.
 
That tells you the standard these fantards have for their tailender king Malik. Pretty pathetic really. Pitiful.
 
today is the day i fell in love with the icon that is shoaib malik

Forget the permanent scowl on his face, the look of resignation as he passively walks through life amongst common men while being a giant, and the meakre self reflection pose he's permanently engrossed in

Today i salute shoaib malik, the player, the chaser, the hero
 
Inziquicksingle said:
Malik sucks...nice to see the fantards wetting themselves with joy after 3 years of tailender level batting...that too over a T20 vs Sharma Dinda, Jadeja and others.
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When out other batsmen scored runs vs Sri Lanka, BZ was whining about Sri Lankan bowling quality! :)) Today no comment! :))

Inziquicksingle said:
That tells you the standard these fantards have for their tailender king Malik. Pretty pathetic really. Pitiful.
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Hey ... they are true lovers.... for the last 3 years... they supported an average of 14-17!

Inziquicksingle said:
LOL @ some of the sample sizes being used by fantard supreme :))) :)))
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BZ always objected the small sample size .... but today everything is kosher! :))

Way to ruin their party! :))


But I am glad you are not the one manipulating the statistics to suit your agendas. So it's OK... you won't be hated! :P
 
Theres a simple statistic that no one an manipulate or mess with with. S Malik is the only known top order batsman ever to have not crossed 40 in over 40 consecutive international innings. Complete and utter failure.
 
Very few sights better in intl. cricket than a Malik straight six.

Whattaknock! :malik
 
AZ said:
Very few sights better in intl. cricket than a Malik straight six.

Whattaknock! :malik
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what about sixes?

14.3
Jadeja to Shoaib Malik, SIX, that has been thumped straight down the ground, a couple of paces out, gets under the ball, and powers it over the sightscreen

19.4
Jadeja to Shoaib Malik, SIX, Shoaib Malik has done it for Pakistan, he;s wound up and deposited a length delivery from outside off just in front of the sightscreen
 
AZ said:
Very few sights better in intl. cricket than a Malik straight six.

Whattaknock! :malik
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Only problem is ... this sight is as rare ...as .. Elvis sightings!


.... oops. There I go again.... manipulating the statistics to suit my agenda!! :69:


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True match winning knock today was by Hafeez. He had something like 34 runs from 34 deliveries at one stage and then ended on 61 from 42 deliveries...
 
AZ said:
Very few sights better in intl. cricket than a Malik straight six.

Whattaknock! :malik
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Maliks sixers are anything but aesthetically pleasing! Joyful no doubt because its six to him and Pakistan but his stroke is certainly not pleasing to the eye
 
Great knock from him today - won us the game along with the captain

Having said that hes deservingly been dropped from odis and shouldnt be re selected in that format.

TBH hes been pathetic in every format for a long time now,hes lucky he keeps getting picked
 
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Malik has to be considered for the 50 overs

I'm astonished he is not in the squad. He has an excellent record v India and is probably our best player of spin.

He is able to be patient, consolidate and can cut lose as good as anyone in our team.

I don't think the same could be said for the following:

Misbah
Younis
Azhar Ali

If Misbah is considering bringing Afridi back then surely Malik should be in there also!
 
Hafeez and Malik both played an equally crucial role. To put down either one is foolish.

Hafeez got us into a winning position, Malik finished the job under severe pressure.
 
waqar_ahmad said:
Come again?
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Hes been okay in t20s but Imo shouldnt be in the ODI squad unless its against sri lanka, bangla, india.
In ODIs his last score of note came in 2009, it was 128 aginst, you guessed it, India.

Just putting this out there, has anyone noticed, maliks downfall began when India-Pak bilateral relations stopped. The man has built a career on performing against India. This is all great and everything, but to those that think he can be successfull in South Africa next year on current form will be sadly dissappointed.

But on the other hand I hope he has a good series in India, he really does well for us there.
 
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kingusama92 said:
Hafeez and Malik both played an equally crucial role. To put down either one is foolish.

Hafeez got us into a winning position, Malik finished the job under severe pressure.
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Both got us in a winning position.
However it was Malik who actually won us the match...


Kami also played a crucial role (kept really well)
idone also played crucial role (got two wkts)
irfan also played his role...
 
How can you be astonished that somone that avges only 14 runs in his last 20 odis has been dropped???
 
Black Zero said:
Both got us in a winning position.
However it was Malik who actually won us the match...


Kami also played a crucial role (kept really well)
idone also played crucial role (got two wkts)
irfan also played his role...
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But Hafeez scored more runs at a greater strike rate. He took pressure off Malik in the first 50 runs of the partnership. So it evens out.
 
Yes his performance of late have not been great but he becomes a completley different animal when facing India, as does Younis khan I guess.

I saw enough of him today to know that he still has a lot left to give to the pak team and actually is one of our few players that can withstand pressure
 
If I was to pick one and claim him as the 'match winner' in this game, it would be Malik. Just because he carried his bat and got us past the line.

Both put up nearly the same amount of runs.

I doubt they care about it as much as some posters do here. In the end, the team won and they'll be partying up that fact more than personal glory.
 
I think potentially there can be a case made to select Malik in the ODI team against India but it will be a horses for courses selection and he shouldnt be near the ODI team otherwise.
 
Yes I agree, why not make a horses for courses selection and put Malik in the ODI side, however he has been pathetic recently in ODIs so I can understand if they don't select him either.
 
Malik delivers again against India. Made a century in 2009 the last time Pakistan won as well and got them home today too. Well played.
 
As long as India relies on its rubbish spinners, Malik should be in the odi team. Malik struggled against the pacers and wasn't moving his feet. Against the spinners however he was getting to the pitch and timing it beautifully. And this explains his record against India - the team most reliant on spinners and pretty average ones at that.
 
He is one of our few players that can change gears when required. Like I said, he is comfortably our best player of spin and hardly ever misses out v India.

Apparently most of the Indian players value his wicket as the most valuable.
 
It is not fair to select Malik after 1 knock. This sets a bad precedent to the other players in the squad if senior players like Malik and Afridi get special treatment.
 
For the record, I'd be more then happy if Malik scores a gazillion runs for Pakistan however I'm also not going to call him a great or that he is in our top for or five of the regular players for Pakistan.

There are more talented players in this squad and back in Pakistan. Malik should have to score consistently in order to keep his place especially after the amount of chances that have been afforded to him.
 
alberto said:
It is not fair to select Malik after 1 knock. This sets a bad precedent to the other players in the squad if senior players like Malik and Afridi get special treatment.
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I wouldn't say it's special treatment for those who are senior - I would say anyone who performs deserves selection. So along with Malik and Afridi, I would be bitterly disappointed if Irfan doesn't now find a place in the odi side.
 
Not Afridi, the guy is finished as a player.

Yes Malik days are long gone and he is not the future. However, in the present, against a team he delivers against more often then not, it's a no brainier not having him in the team.
 
Please have a close look at his stats V India. There are some players that just have a team.

Salman Butt and Younis Khan are other examples.

Yk one day average is laughable but V India it's pretty decent
 
castortroy said:
He is one of our few players that can change gears when required. Like I said, he is comfortably our best player of spin and hardly ever misses out v India.

Apparently most of the Indian players value his wicket as the most valuable.
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it would be interesting to have a feedback from indian posters.
 
I'm not a big fan of Malik but this is Pakistan Vs India and he should be selected simply because he's likely to improve Pakistan's chances of winning. It isn't just based on today's knock but on his LOI career against India and there's no doubt the likes of Dhoni, Yuvraj etc who have experience facing him will be relieved if he misses out.

Obviously, he isn't very well liked on PP though and most people will be against it and then wonder what Younis and Misbah are doing blocking Yuvraj and some other generic bowler over after over.
 
Sledger said:
Malik delivers again against India. Made a century in 2009 the last time Pakistan won as well and got them home today too. Well played.
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At this rate, next good innings will come in 2015 or 2016?
 
More troublingly, what it shows is that nobody else was able to win a game for Pakistan in that period from 2009-2012, even including Hafeez/Jamshed centuries.
 
I would consider him for the ODI series at number 5 or 6 only if he does well again in the 2nd t20, another 50+ score perhaps. it's obvious he is effective against Indian bowlers and so he could have a role to play in ODI's against similar bowlers, only Ashwin, Amit Mehra (both spin) and the new guy Shami Ahmed weren't playing.

He does appear however to struggle against the faster bowlers and its here were I've always been flummoxed by Malik, sometimes (I remember a match in Australia, i think the 5th odi where he played bowlers like Mitchell Johnson etc quite effectively) he appears to play them decently but other times he's just all at sea! I've noticed that when he thinks the pitch is flat (e.g. in India and the subcontinent in general) he just doesn't move his feet at all...poor planning imo!
 
castortroy said:
He is one of our few players that can change gears when required. Like I said, he is comfortably our best player of spin and hardly ever misses out v India.

Apparently most of the Indian players value his wicket as the most valuable.
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I can believe this, Dhoni and Co strike me as stats men, and they most likely know that out of the current crop of Pak players, Malik has by far the best career stats against them.
 
Yeah against decent fast bowlers he can look ordinary and his technique comes into questions.

India do not possess such paceman and I'm pretty confident he will succeed in the LOI.

It may look like we have more genuine batsmen in the 50 over game but its very static and limited with azhar, misbah and Younis in the middle.
 
Even when they went to Ashwin during the innings he was the first to point out that Malik's wicket is key
 
Sledger said:
More troublingly, what it shows is that nobody else was able to win a game for Pakistan in that period from 2009-2012, even including Hafeez/Jamshed centuries.
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This is shocking lol, hang on this isn't true is it?
 
blackanhyellow said:
Hes been okay in t20s but Imo shouldnt be in the ODI squad unless its against sri lanka, bangla, india.
In ODIs his last score of note came in 2009, it was 128 aginst, you guessed it, India.

Just putting this out there, has anyone noticed, maliks downfall began when India-Pak bilateral relations stopped. The man has built a career on performing against India. This is all great and everything, but to those that think he can be successfull in South Africa next year on current form will be sadly dissappointed.

But on the other hand I hope he has a good series in India, he really does well for us there.
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I agree, performing in a match against India guarantees you almost special preference in selection with the PCB, wether rightly or wrongly Malik has cearly taken advantage of this....everytime his place came under question in his career he silenced a few detractors by performing against India
 
Malik should be in the ODI side before a lot of people that have been selected. Have been saying this all along.
 
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