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Should Malik be in the plans for the 2019 WC?

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wasimjunior said:
As a captain and as a cricketing mind I completely agree with you.

But my issue is purely that he doesnt get into our team on merit (neither do others like Nasim and Afridi but thats a different argument) and age isnt on his side.

Its a shame but in Malik and Azhar Mahmood we have 2 very fine all rounders who have been unfulfilled talents. Unfortunately we cant turn back the clock.
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unfortunately you maybe right there

I wish he was 4-5 years younger. would have been perfect captain for shorter formats. and now that we have captains appointed it would be unfair to discard Azhar without giving him a run.

in his first stint he was stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Razzaq, Akhtar, Yousuf and maybe Afridi hated the fact that he was appointed over them and never accepted him as captain and always underminded him. Then ICL exodus didn't help either.

but he would have been perfect with a young team like we have now.

that's why my suggestion post WC was:

appoint Malik as t20 and odi captain till 2016 wt20 (he has always done well in t20. even the one off t20 match he captained the Aus tour in 2010 it felt like a different team was playing). At the same time appoint Sarfaraz or Azhar (though his age makes him an unattractive option) as captain in ALL formats. Then after 2016 wt20 review Malik's position as captain and if the need to sack arises then promote the VC. Misbah would be retiring around same time too so the transition would have been smooth.

I see no reason but emotional reasons to keep Afridi as t20 captain
 
wasimjunior said:
LOL at the mayweathe comparison..

IMO age is a huge issue in cricket. Batting is reflex game and the older you are the more likely it is your batting will regress as you just dont have the reflexes to cope.

Misbah is a massive massive outlier to the norm, as is YK.

Tendulkar and Ponting both became half the players they were at 35. Yes I believe Malik will remain fit, and I have always liked him as a player/believe he hasnt done his talent justice but that train imo has now passed.

We need to focus on the next generation of Maliks and ensure they are maximised to their potential. As one of the posters above said hes an inferior hafeez.
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I agree 100% on the next generation. But I still think the transition should be smoother. A little bit of experience in the side for few years wont harm. Unfortunately, Malik's international performance is to be blamed here as well.
 
Funny thing is, when Malik was captain, he was deemed too young by us and his teammates. Now there is a chance for him to make a comeback, but he is too old. I cant even imagine the level of mental toughness required to be a struggling sportsman
 
Slog said:
unfortunately you maybe right there

I wish he was 4-5 years younger. would have been perfect captain for shorter formats. and now that we have captains appointed it would be unfair to discard Azhar without giving him a run.

in his first stint he was stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Razzaq, Akhtar, Yousuf and maybe Afridi hated the fact that he was appointed over them and never accepted him as captain and always underminded him. Then ICL exodus didn't help either.

but he would have been perfect with a young team like we have now.

that's why my suggestion post WC was:

appoint Malik as t20 and odi captain till 2016 wt20 (he has always done well in t20. even the one off t20 match he captained the Aus tour in 2010 it felt like a different team was playing). At the same time appoint Sarfaraz or Azhar (though his age makes him an unattractive option) as captain in ALL formats. Then after 2016 wt20 review Malik's position as captain and if the need to sack arises then promote the VC. Misbah would be retiring around same time too so the transition would have been smooth.

I see no reason but emotional reasons to keep Afridi as t20 captain
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Completely agree on all points tbf.

I still dont want Malik in the team but I admit that I am biased on a personal level against Malik and thats because of his non stop plugging himself on twitter for a recall. Have just found it in bad taste and pretty unprofessional/ adds to the questions of nepotism and exterior influences but yeah if he comes back I wont begrudge him.

I think there are bigger issues that need to be addressed within our cricket than Shoaib Malik at the moment.
 
Cricket_Fan93 said:
Why aren't you sharing his bowling stats for today? He makes your team on his bowling alone tbh.
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tbh ? Yes, all of my Indian friend here are always honest!!!

Makes the team on bowling alone? Look below and honestly tell me which bowler in the world has these type of stats - Harbhjan, Sir Jadeja, Ashwin or Kumble??


Allow me to decipher these stats a little.....

Last 35 T20s - 20 overs ..... that is less than ONE over per T20.
Last 35 T20s - 5 wickets.... that is one wicket every 7 T20s.


Last 33 ODIs - 100 overs ..... that is less 3 overs per ODI.
Last 33 ODIs - 12 wickets.... that is one wicket every 3 ODIs.


Last 6 tests - 4 wickets .... that is less than one wicket per match.
Last 6 tests - 39 overs .... that is @6 overs per test.


Last 74 matches - 22 wickets.... that is one wicket after more than 3 matches.
Last 74 matches - 159 overs .... that is about 2 or overs per match.


Speaking of being honest ..... can you honestly tell me which other player has made it lets say Indian team on bowling alone with similar stats???
 
32 is a decent bowling average and his economy seems to be brilliant , all your stats tell me is that he doesn't get many opportunities to bowl. Thats not his fault is it?
 
Anyone who still advocates for Shoaib Malik as an international player is not sincere to Pakistan Cricket he is perfect example of a leech
 
Cricket_Fan93 said:
32 is a decent bowling average and his economy seems to be brilliant , all your stats tell me is that he doesn't get many opportunities to bowl. Thats not his fault is it?
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Well, then you know much about Malik's bowling ability than the captains he played under .... who under utilized him!!!

You did not name a bowler with similar stats being selected on bowling alone...as you were claiming?
 
W63L35 said:
Well, then you know much about Malik's bowling ability than the captains he played under .... who under utilized him!!!

You did not name a bowler with similar stats being selected on bowling alone...as you were claiming?
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Similar stats? As in the same average and economy rates? There are numerous examples for that,

As for Malik not bowling enough, thats because the politics your captains like to play. Looking at Maliks bowling average tells you that he should have bowled more. Blame the captains not Malik.
 
Cricket_Fan93 said:
Similar stats? As in the same average and economy rates? There are numerous examples for that,
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No .... 1 wicket every 3 ODI or 1 wicket every 7 T20....

Cricket_Fan93 said:
As for Malik not bowling enough, thats because the politics your captains like to play. Looking at Maliks bowling average tells you that he should have bowled more. Blame the captains not Malik.
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Yes..... these captains did not realize that they had Murali/Warne/Saqlain in one player combined playing for them and yet failed to give him more overs because of the politics they played.......when they could have won every match by bowling Malik much more than they did!!
 
So Malik is back in the odi side - as they say you can't keep a good man down. Hopefully he will take over Misbah's role and add some stability to the middle order.
 
Cricket_Fan93 said:
32 is a decent bowling average and his economy seems to be brilliant , all your stats tell me is that he doesn't get many opportunities to bowl. Thats not his fault is it?
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Malik himself stopped bowling when he was captain and only started bowling again recently because everyones realised hes not good enough to play as a batsman.

This thread has reached 133 pages.

If were still talking about "support" and not about the runs hes scoring then I rest my case.
[MENTION=132335]Kianig89[/MENTION] sums it up perfectly
 
Shobby can pull a Misbah and resurrect his career in his 30's. He's by far the fittest athlete in Pakistan though, so there's no reason why he can't play for another 5-6 years.
 
[MENTION=139096]Cricket_Fan93[/MENTION]

He first started playing as a bowler and was an exciting prospect, but after his doosra was deemed illegal in 2004, he lost confidence and his role as a bowler continued to diminish with each passing year. However, at that time, he was at the peak of his powers in terms of batting which enabled him to play in the team. He was a very good ODI batsman from 2004 to 2008.

He hasn't been under utilized with the ball by anyone, in fact he himself didn't bowl much while he was captain but now it seems like he has regained his lost mojo with the bowl which is why his inclusion in ODIs makes sense now.
 
Just look at shoaib Malik's last 10 ODI innings performance for Malik, it tells all the story of How much great batsman is Bradman Shoaib Malik.
 
Mamoon said:
Shobby can pull a Misbah and resurrect his career in his 30's. He's by far the fittest athlete in Pakistan though, so there's no reason why he can't play for another 5-6 years.
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First he needs to be able to bat even half, heck I am being generous... even 10% as well as Misbah to be able to be considered as a batsmen. Right now he's the definition of bits and pieces. Then he needs to fix his action - he's been called in domestic matches for throwing before. He'll definitely get called in internationals.

Then he needs to bring his bowling and batting and fielding up to par to international standards, which let's face it - in the past 20 or so years we only know of 2 that is Misbah and Sangakara have been able to surge high late in their careers and were the anomaly rather than the norm so the odds are immensely and I mean immensely against Shobby to be able to stage a comeback or even last as much as a series in Internationals.
 
ramizq1 said:
First he needs to be able to bat even half, heck I am being generous... even 10% as well as Misbah to be able to be considered as a batsmen. Right now he's the definition of bits and pieces. Then he needs to fix his action - he's been called in domestic matches for throwing before. He'll definitely get called in internationals.

Then he needs to bring his bowling and batting and fielding up to par to international standards, which let's face it - in the past 20 or so years we only know of 2 that is Misbah and Sangakara have been able to surge high late in their careers and were the anomaly rather than the norm so the odds are immensely and I mean immensely against Shobby to be able to stage a comeback or even last as much as a series in Internationals.
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I agree that the odds are stacked against him, but he seems really determined to deliver this time around. Let's see how he goes.
 
If malik cant do it now he never will. That gun odi player ( relative to our standards) from a few years back is dead and buried and only a miracle will bring him back
 
For a guy who has gotten endless opportunity this absolutely has to be his last one. Even Misbah acknowledged he hasn't performed in his many comeback attempts. But those of you who are arguing he deserves a spot on his bowling alone... Seriously? As a specialist bowler at 33 he absolutely does not deserve a spot. You might as well give it to a full time bowler to reinforce an area where we're really weak.

Malik and Hafeez in the same lineup is a total farce and will kill any chance we have in this series
 
If a player can't cement his place a decade after his debut then he's probably not good enough. Bottom line.
 
I sense the fastest century record will be beaten today. It's always been the one record that has alluded him.

But the stars seem to have aligned. It's time to cement your legacy Malik!!!
 
Really happy for him, hope he kicks on: he is Pakistan's MVP when in form
 
Fantastic innings, gave a clinic as to how to rotate strike during middle overs. Real test for him awaits in a few weeks vs Sri Lanka.

We'll see whether this isn't another false dawn then.
 
He always said that his preferred batting position was up the order yet in recent years he's been positioned all over the place. Give him 5-10 consecutive matches batting in the top 4 and he'll show you what he can do.
 
Let's wait and see how he does against the Lankans. That would be a better indicator of his abilities.

He has been a joker for the past 5 years.
 
Slog said:
don't be jalus :D
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im pleased for him. But I would like to see Mr Icon do this consistently throughout this season. He got what he wanted which was to be promoted up the order but now he needs to stay there and not just make 1 hundred but consistently hit the runs straight through to the end of the year..
 
the Great Khan said:
im pleased for him. But I would like to see Mr Icon do this consistently throughout this season. He got what he wanted which was to be promoted up the order but now he needs to stay there and not just make 1 hundred but consistently hit the runs straight through to the end of the year..
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yea

so I think he should be given till SL ODI series and his position should be reviewed then
 
With all the complaining UAkmal does about the position he bats in just checked this is just the 4th match Malik has played at 3 or 4 in 5 years. The guy avgs over 40 at those positions but was being played at 6 most of the time in the last 5 years. Didn't bat there himself either when he was captain so he shouldn't be blaiming others for not getting to bat there under someone else captaincy.
Is ones of my favorite players but had given up on him as he himself didn't seem to be enjoying his cricket. Looked in good touch if nothing else but if he bats with some of our young players for some innings they would realize about taking singles and doubles instead of just trying for boundaries.
 
This is a lesson for the Pakpassion posters. Never drop a player after a few bad innings and put the players on the right position to get the best out of them.

If only our fans and the PCB could understand this.
 
Bullet Drive said:
Aww.
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Aw what?

This is amazing!

The beauty of this thread is that it records all our views. So when someone makes excuses for a player failing for 6 years and then celebrates a century against Zimbabwe it puts things in to perspective.

Why are you not jumping up and down about the contributions of Hafeez, Sohail and Azhar?

Malik scored a century on a flat track against a minnow, who are under siege in a country and are more interested in going home without an incident rather than wining.

So Malik finally performed in a match where all four batsmen plundered runs.

You consider this vindication? And then you wonder why poster criticise your cricketing accumen.

Did you jump up and down whenYK made a century against New Zealand?
 
These are bad signs for Pakistan. This was an ideal series for Sami Aslam and Rizwan. Now I see this :))
 
miandadrules said:
Aw what?

This is amazing!

The beauty of this thread is that it records all our views. So when someone makes excuses for a player failing for 6 years and then celebrates a century against Zimbabwe it puts things in to perspective.

Why are you not jumping up and down about the contributions of Hafeez, Sohail and Azhar?

Malik scored a century on a flat track against a minnow, who are under siege in a country and are more interested in going home without an incident rather than wining.

So Malik finally performed in a match where all four batsmen plundered runs.

You consider this vindication? And then you wonder why poster criticise your cricketing accumen.

Did you jump up and down whenYK made a century against New Zealand?
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You called this at the start of the day.

Bravo to you...
 
Feel sorry for miandadrulez.

Guy got tally pwned by Shobby support brigade tonight.
 
Did anyone catch Malik putting his hand on Sarfraz shoulder while walking back at the end and Sarf pushing it away, followed by Malik saying a cuss word and walking off with Haris?
 
hashmist said:
Did anyone catch Malik putting his hand on Sarfraz shoulder while walking back at the end and Sarf pushing it away, followed by Malik saying a cuss word and walking off with Haris?
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Yea I found it strange as well. But it could be something else and hasn't have to be a rude gesture.
 
Congratulation Shoaib Malik and Pakistan team!

Saw the match in Pakistan LIVE [not at ground though]. One century surely left numerous ppers including one disturbed pper in delirious mood. That is more fun. :jf


# Don't expect post from me [load shedding] ;(
 
Fallen King said:
Congratulation Shoaib Malik and Pakistan team!

Saw the match in Pakistan LIVE [not at ground though]. One century surely left numerous ppers including one disturbed pper in delirious mood. That is more fun. :jf


# Don't expect post from me [load shedding] ;(
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Century vs minnow is = attendance at the ground though, isn't it?
 
"Jinho ne mujhe support nahi kiya unka bhi bohot bohot shukria" - Shoaib Malik showing his talent for sarcasm.



Pappu bacha chalaak hogaya LOL!
 
correction!

fallen king said:
congratulation shoaib malik and pakistan team!

Saw the match in pakistan live [not at ground though]. One century surely left numerous ppers including one disturbed pper in delirious mood. That is more fun. :jf


# don't expect reply from me [load shedding] ;(
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Fallen King said:
Congratulation Shoaib Malik and Pakistan team!

Saw the match in Pakistan LIVE [not at ground though]. One century surely left numerous ppers including one disturbed pper in delirious mood. That is more fun. :jf


# Don't expect post from me [load shedding] ;(
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I expect you've shed a massive load already.
 
Prince of Pakistan said:
"Jinho ne mujhe support nahi kiya unka bhi bohot bohot shukria" - Shoaib Malik showing his taste for sarcasm.



Pappu bacha chalaak hogaya LOL!
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That was smart reply. Good to see him handling the critics well, and had been for a while. A indeed patient man! :14:

iHammad said:
Century vs minnow is = attendance at the ground though, isn't it?
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It was never about minnow. It was about proving a point that Shoaib Malik's career is not over. If we had Misbah and other slow-ish players, Pakistan team wouldn't have scored 375 runs.

Ppers were bragging about Azhar Ali, Mohammad Hafeez and Ahmed Shehzad having centuries with okay strike rate, but not enough in accordance to international in my opinion, but Shoaib Malik coming back after five years and scoring a century with dream strike rate in his first debut after a long time whereas players like Azhar Ali and Mohammad Hafeez failed to score century once got settled in never mind scoring within the strike rate that almost match their runs. Not to mention Misbah couldn't score a century in his last five years uninterrupted which didn't help Pakistan team as Pakistan would have lost that Zimbabwe match in WC if it wasn't for bowlers, and Pakistan did lose to Zimbabwe at their home not long ago, especially in Test format and did poor job in limited formats.

It is about time we should put hatred aside and learn to appreciate good cricket which in this case is his century considering Pakistan just lost to Bangladesh recently, and being poor ODI outfit team, hyped as outdated team, for more than five years killed the interest of Pakistan cricket at one point had been reignited tonight thank to positive cricket both Shoaib Malik and Haris Sohail played. If they continue to play like this, we can expect a return of huge amount of interest in the short period of time which Pakistan couldn't generate during Misbah's captaincy for the past five years despite of his best efforts.

As soon as Shoaib Malik got settled, the crowds stood up together and put 6/4 banners in roaring mood while a captain sending the fielding back to the boundary line was priceless. Yet, that didn't stop him from pillaging their bowling attacks and left Pakistani audiences with smile. Toying their spinners? Priceless! :jf

Watching the partnership between Shoaib Malik and Haris Sohail reminded me of Inzimam-Yousuf. I am glad to witness the beautiful partnership scored in modern fashion of cricket with impossible strike rate we were yearning for a long time. With all being said, i am glad that modern batsman Shoaib Malik, a huge demand in BBL, and CPL, is back now. :)
 
Fallen King said:
It was never about minnow. It was about proving a point that Shoaib Malik's career is not over. If we had Misbah and other slow-ish players, Pakistan team wouldn't have scored 375 runs.

Ppers were bragging about Azhar Ali, Mohammad Hafeez and Ahmed Shehzad having centuries with okay strike rate, but not enough in accordance to international in my opinion, but Shoaib Malik coming back after five years and scoring a century with dream strike rate in his first debut after a long time whereas players like Azhar Ali and Mohammad Hafeez failed to score century once got settled in never mind scoring within the strike rate that almost match their runs. Not to mention Misbah couldn't score a century in his last five years uninterrupted which didn't help Pakistan team as Pakistan would have lost that Zimbabwe match in WC if it wasn't for bowlers, and Pakistan did lose to Zimbabwe at their home not long ago, especially in Test format and did poor job in limited formats.
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lol

Fallen King said:
This thread has to be one of the most embarrassing thread in the history of PakPassion. I cannot believe the reviews i am reading at this thread. We used to mock at batsmen scoring centuries against minnow teams in the past, but today, we glorify them and hype them endlessly. That alone is the reason why Pakistan cricket is falling behind in term of international standard. By the way, i see Azhar Ali as the next Yasir Hameed.
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http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...hundred-in-Test-Cricket&p=7777710#post7777710

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Fallen King said:
Congratulation Shoaib Malik and Pakistan team!
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miandadrules said:
Possibly.

But at least I'm not duplicitous and indulge in slander.
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What do you expect? After what you pulled that dirty trick in PakPassion being the most public forum access by all over the worlds can attest to your portrayal version cannot be discussed in family forum.

What has gotten to you? I used to respect you, even with our disagreement, but now you cheapening like this and all for what? Just because i support Shoaib Malik? You are not the pper i met a long time ago, but you are pper i rather lock in mental hospital. You have gone full retarded and you are still doing the same. :facepalm:

You have gone one step ahead of Imranistan. At least, they wouldn't pull this kind of trick.
 
iHammad said:
lol



http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...hundred-in-Test-Cricket&p=7777710#post7777710

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I still stand by what i said. Today match was about proving a point that his career is not over, at least not yet. He still has a lot more to prove once Pakistan plays test-playing nation. The way he played today indicates his career is far from over. That is for the celebration.

But Pakistan will be playing a lot of test-playing nations in the foreseeable future. Time will tell. For now, one step at a time. :mv
 
Fallen King said:
What do you expect? After what you pulled that dirty trick in PakPassion being the most public forum access by all over the worlds can attest to your portrayal version cannot be discussed in family forum.

What has gotten to you? I used to respect you, even with our disagreement, but now you cheapening like this and all for what? Just because i support Shoaib Malik? You are not the pper i met a long time ago, but you are pper i rather lock in mental hospital. You have gone full retarded and you are still doing the same. :facepalm:

You have gone one step ahead of Imranistan. At least, they wouldn't pull this kind of trick.
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It has nothing to do with your support nor what you say about me. You are free to say whatever you like about me, I never take exception and request moderators never to delete anything directed to me.

Your duplicity and slander is in your attacks on other players and then whitewashing Malik's failures and transgressions.

Why is it ok for your to totally fabricate things to deminish others?
 
miandadrules said:
It has nothing to do with your support nor what you say about me. You are free to say whatever you like about me, I never take exception and request moderators never to delete anything directed to me.

Your duplicity and slander is in your attacks on other players and then whitewashing Malik's failures and transgressions.

Why is it ok for your to totally fabricate things to deminish others?
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Like what?

* I didn't support in favor of trio for getting caught in the spot fixing case?
* I didn't support the tactics of tuk tuk?
* I predicted Mohammad Hafeez and Ajmal would fail bowling-action test?
* I didn't support Imran Khan?
* I didn't support Misbah?
* I didn't support Younus Khan and called him selfish man?


I am practically listing out the examples for you now. In your mind, i have fabricated things to diminish others and slandered about players and their trangression. So going by your point, does that validate your point about resorting to the most dirty trick against me? Have i ever disrespected you in similar manner or resorted to similar manner? Did i stop you from making fun of Shoaib Malik or made fun of you for making fun of Shoaib Malik?

I have debated with a lot of Shoaib Malik's haters, and to this day, i still have respect for everyone including @GreatKhan whom i respect so much despite of disagreement on a lot of things including on Shoaib Malik and Imran Khan, but never once we resorted to this dirtiest manner on each other like you did on the other day. I am not kind of pper who takes serious on anything said about Shoaib Malik. I practically encourage ppers to go have nut at Shoaib Malik. I don't mind that, and i don't care, but i do enjoy debating within the topic.

After that time you resorted in the dirtiest manner, i have lost huge respect for you. You belong in mental hospital, not in PakPassion. You are not normal. You are disturbed and should be certified lunatic by psychiatrist and should be locked in mental hospital.
 
Fallen King said:
Like what?

* I didn't support in favor of trio for getting caught in the spot fixing case?
* I didn't support the tactics of tuk tuk?
* I predicted Mohammad Hafeez and Ajmal would fail bowling-action test?
* I didn't support Imran Khan?
* I didn't support Misbah?
* I didn't support Younus Khan and called him selfish man?


I am practically listing out the examples for you now. In your mind, i have fabricated things to diminish others and slandered about players and their trangression. So going by your point, does that validate your point about resorting to the most dirty trick against me? Have i ever disrespected you in similar manner or resorted to similar manner? Did i stop you from making fun of Shoaib Malik or made fun of you for making fun of Shoaib Malik?

I have debated with a lot of Shoaib Malik's haters, and to this day, i still have respect for everyone including @GreatKhan whom i respect so much despite of disagreement on a lot of things including on Shoaib Malik and Imran Khan, but never once we resorted to this dirtiest manner on each other like you did on the other day. I am not kind of pper who takes serious on anything said about Shoaib Malik. I practically encourage ppers to go have nut at Shoaib Malik. I don't mind that, and i don't care, but i do enjoy debating within the topic.

After that time you resorted in the dirtiest manner, i have lost huge respect for you. You belong in mental hospital, not in PakPassion. You are not normal. You are disturbed and should be certified lunatic by psychiatrist and should be locked in mental hospital.
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Please list the examples of me fabricating and slandering players and their trangression or provide the evidence for all of those things.
 
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