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Should Malik be in the plans for the 2019 WC?

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umer187 said:
When he scored runs against zimbawe so u guys were saying that he will fail against Srilanka but now that he is scoring against Srilanka MA so u are saying that Srilanka is not a good bowling side!

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There is a thread which was started before the series where posters stated that the Sri Lankan bowling was very weak.
 
[MENTION=10992]Fallen King[/MENTION] hats off to you man!

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Anyone wants me to update these stats? [MENTION=1080]miandadrules[/MENTION] [MENTION=134250]wasimjunior[/MENTION] :)

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hadi123 said:
Give the ball to Shoaib Malik now. He was a decent bowler a few years back
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He is not a chucker. So i don't think he will do good job in containing runs, that being said, he may have one or two good games at best. He is batsman first, most importantly, a stable middle-order batsman. That's all it matters for PCB. As for bowlers, we need specialist bowlers. Pakistan strength has never been on batting, but their strengths on bowling should be expanded to ensure Pakistan team is not put in the position to chase the target above 300-runs, or better yet, capable to defend the target less than 300-runs.
 
umer187 said:
Since the time Shobby made his comeback into the Pakistan side for the series against Zimbawe, his stats have been outstanding. Following are his numbers:-

Matches:10
Runs:415
Avg:69.16
50s:2
100s:1

Still people say that he does not belong at International level anymore!
P.S. Even his domestic performances during this time have been in the CPL and not in our domestic circuit where he is inarguably THE KING!
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Damn good stats, what is surprising is that some Pakistan fans seem to be very disappointed at a Pakistan player doing well and are indulging in petty mockery rather than providing a better alternative.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Damn good stats, what is surprising is that some Pakistan fans seem to be very disappointed at a Pakistan player doing well and are indulging in petty mockery rather than providing a better alternative.
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Or they are mocking the inclusion on CPL and warm-up matches.

If this is standard protocol in the evaluation of players on PP then please point in the right direction.
 
miandadrules said:
Or they are mocking the inclusion on CPL and warm-up matches.

If this is standard protocol in the evaluation of players on PP then please point in the right direction.
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Players like hafeez,Umar akmal, kamran akmal, Ahmed shehzad and misbah failed miserably in the CPL.

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umer187 said:
Players like hafeez,Umar akmal, kamran akmal, Ahmed shehzad and misbah failed miserably in the CPL.

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So?

All that matters are international performances and that too against credible teams.

They may have failed in CPL but non of them average 3 in New Zealand and 8 in England.
 
miandadrules said:
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So?

All that matters are international performances and that too against credible teams.

They may have failed in CPL but non of them average 3 in New Zealand and 8 in England.
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U were saying that CPL was not a difficult tournament to score runs so can u tell me why the above mentioned batsmen have failed there?

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miandadrules said:
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So?

All that matters are international performances and that too against credible teams.

They may have failed in CPL but non of them average 3 in New Zealand and 8 in England.
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What matters is current form. There's a saying in football that you are only as good as your last match. Shehzad Ahmed has been dining out on former stats for a while now. NZ and English pitches are a lot different now to what they were a few years ago.
 
umer187 said:
U were saying that CPL was not a difficult tournament to score runs so can u tell me why the above mentioned batsmen have failed there?

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Why does cpl matter?

Can you please explain to me if it counts as representing Pakistan?

We are talking Malik of Pakistan not of Barbados thundertroopers
 
wasimjunior said:
Why does cpl matter?

Can you please explain to me if it counts as representing Pakistan?

We are talking Malik of Pakistan not of Barbados thundertroopers
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Great. If he doesn't get selected, then it is obvious he has to perform local and international leagues to earn his inclusion back. Right now he is selected and performing, yet you guys are complaining. Malik can never win in either case.


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Cpt. Rishwat said:
What matters is current form. There's a saying in football that you are only as good as your last match. Shehzad Ahmed has been dining out on former stats for a while now. NZ and English pitches are a lot different now to what they were a few years ago.
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Both of guys, avoid him. He is not interested in debate, rather entertain in trolling, and if that's not enough, resorting in the manner that is deemed disgusting and outraging had you both know our previous encounter in The Shoaib Malik Support Thread. You guys are wasting your time with him.

umer187 said:
U were saying that CPL was not a difficult tournament to score runs so can u tell me why the above mentioned batsmen have failed there?

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Fallen King said:
Great. If he doesn't get selected, then it is obvious he has to perform local and international leagues to earn his inclusion back. Right now he is selected and performing, yet you guys are complaining. Malik can never win in either case.


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[MENTION=134250]wasimjunior[/MENTION] u want me to explain it any further?
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
What matters is current form. There's a saying in football that you are only as good as your last match. Shehzad Ahmed has been dining out on former stats for a while now. NZ and English pitches are a lot different now to what they were a few years ago.
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The saying that "Your only as good as your last match" is one of the great fallacies in sport and is almost exclusively used as an excuse to justify a players selection. If it we take it literally then Malik is worthless if he fails in his next game.

To use your football analogy, putting six past Stevenage in the FA cup is going to have little bearing in a Champions League clash against Bayern Munich. In boxing there is an old adage that "styles make fights". The underlying principle being that when you have an opponent with a limited skill set, he will be unable to take advantage of your weaknesses, hence you will put in a dominating performance. However, as you step up in class not only do you meet fighters who are faster and stronger but also are so technical proficient that they take away your strengths. I hope you can appreciate that the saying "your only as good as your last fight" has little relevance in the outcome of such a contest.

If there had been major technical improvements made by Malik, there would be greater room for optimism. However, his technical deficiencies are just as prevalent now, as during his so called peak which in itself has been inflated by his fans. Even then he was exposed when truly tested.

Since when has Shahzad been the barometer for selection? His game has regressed so far that he doesn't warrant selection either. But his ceiling is greater than Malik's and I wouldn't hold a 21 year old to the same standard as a 15 year veteran.

By saying that NZ and England pitches are different now is just another excuse to justify Malik's selection. If we are going in to a game hoping the opposition tilts everything in our favour (pitches, bowlers they select etc...) we might as well not turn up.
 
umer187 said:
U were saying that CPL was not a difficult tournament to score runs so can u tell me why the above mentioned batsmen have failed there?

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Whether they fail or succeed in a domestic T20 has no relevance. All that matters is performances at the highest level.

Graham Hick and Mark Ramprakash are two of the greatest county players ever yet both are regarded as international failures, despite being superior players o Malik. Imran Khan never went all out in domestic competition but used it to sharpen his skills. Like it or not players don't over-exert themselves in these leagues.

How you can extrapolate T20 league performance to International One day matches is beyond me but I guess the difference maybe lost on you.

To rephrase your question, can you explain why Malik has been so poor internationally despite being average domestically?

If scoring in domestic leagues has such great value why has Malik failed so miserably in international cricket?
 
Fallen King said:
Both of guys, avoid him. He is not interested in debate, rather entertain in trolling, and if that's not enough, resorting in the manner that is deemed disgusting and outraging had you both know our previous encounter in The Shoaib Malik Support Thread. You guys are wasting your time with him.




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Totally agree with you.

I'd rather they focused on your vindictive rants and personal pot shots at players on a forum they will never see.
 
Saying it again and again but champion innings from the master Shoaib.

I have to once again acquire about many peoples health after Shoaib did well again.

Hope you are ok [MENTION=1080]miandadrules[/MENTION] and [MENTION=134250]wasimjunior[/MENTION]

#wrong

But go Malik. What a champ. Averaging 100 SR of 130 :)) :)) :))

He hit you guys back with STYLEEEEEE #boss
 
He has been so clinical in his approach and has been reading the situation so well. Him in current form/2004-2008 version was something we clearly missed in the ODI team in the last few years, and it is no surprise that 2009-2014 has been pretty much our worst phase as an ODI batting unit for a long time.

We didn't have someone who would work the field, run hard for his singles and convert ones into twos, minimize high-risk shots and ensure that he stays right till the end to finish a run chase or provide late impetus - things he has been doing since his return.

Our prominent ODI batsmen in the last few years, i.e. Misbah, Umar, Hafeez, Shehzad, Maqsood etc. simply didn't provide most/all of the aforementioned qualities.
 
Mamoon said:
He has been so clinical in his approach and has been reading the situation so well. Him in current form/2004-2008 version was something we clearly missed in the ODI team in the last few years, and it is no surprise that 2009-2014 has been pretty much our worst phase as an ODI batting unit for a long time.

We didn't have someone who would work the field, run hard for his singles and convert ones into twos, minimize high-risk shots and ensure that he stays right till the end to finish a run chase or provide late impetus - things he has been doing since his return.

Our prominent ODI batsmen in the last few years, i.e. Misbah, Umar, Hafeez, Shehzad, Maqsood etc. simply didn't provide most/all of the aforementioned qualities.
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Well said, some valid observations.
 
Another miserabe day for the haters lol.

Shobby has improved. Admit it. Not only is he a better batsman now, but also a much mature and better person. Make him captain now.
 
It is quite funny these days:

Malik scores runs - one set praises him, the other set makes sarcastic comments

Repeat
 
I finally got to see Malik mark 2 bat.

Though, he batted well I still see the same glaring deficiencies. I had hoped with all this hysteria that he had made some significant technical improvements but this doesn't seem to be the case.

I think he will make hay while the sun shines, as at least for the next five ODIs which are going to be against Sri Lanka, West Indies and Zimbabwe on benign wickets. I guess that means the honeymoon period in my opinion will be over within the next 10 ODIs, with the cracks being evident during the England series.

The reason this may also be a false dawn is the respective performances of all the Pakistan batters in this series, where nobody has been woeful. It's important to see his performance relative to his team mates.
 
Malik has always been a dynamic batsmen. Just needed a little room to breath while seniors took turns on the throne.
He looks much more at ease these days and it shows.
 
78 ODIs away from becoming the 4th Pakistani to play 300 ODIs. Will get there for sure.
 
the Great Khan said:
Greatest brain in cricket. Make him captain in all formats. Maybe for all countries too.
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All countries:))):)))

I can only imagine if instead of axing Malik from captaincy,PCB had axed those trouble makers, Pakistan would have been a great side in these last 6 boring years of cricket we had.
 
Mamoon said:
It is quite funny these days:

Malik scores runs - one set praises him, the other set makes sarcastic comments

Repeat
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The funny thing is all those sarcastic comments comes from die hard Misbah fans, the guy who lead our cricket to dark ages of cricket.(referring to ODIs)
 
MRSN said:
The funny thing is all those sarcastic comments comes from die hard Misbah fans, the guy who lead our cricket to dark ages of cricket.(referring to ODIs)
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I'm one of Misbah's fan. Never said anything against Malik.
Whats funny is that you are generalizing, though.
 
MRSN said:
All countries:))):)))

I can only imagine if instead of axing Malik from captaincy,PCB had axed those trouble makers, Pakistan would have been a great side in these last 6 boring years of cricket we had.
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Great side?

You mean GREATEST side.

FYI, Malik's tenure as captain is one of the the most celebrated in the history of cricket. My three greatest teams ever:

1. Malik's Fearless, all conquering tigers
2. Clive Lloyd's West Indies.
3. Bradman's Invisibles
 
miandadrules said:
Great side?

You mean GREATEST side.

FYI, Malik's tenure as captain is one of the the most celebrated in the history of cricket. My three greatest teams ever:

1. Malik's Fearless, all conquering tigers
2. Clive Lloyd's West Indies.
3. Bradman's Invisibles
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Still remember the countless trophies he won us by brain power alone ..The cricket equivalent of Sir Stephen hawking. I hear Maliks codex of cricket will be ready soon. The ICC's next great coaching and tactics manual.
 
the Great Khan said:
Still remember the countless trophies he won us by brain power alone ..The cricket equivalent of Sir Stephen hawking. I hear Maliks codex of cricket will be ready soon. The ICC's next great coaching and tactics manual.
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You must be very nervous when Malik is batting out there? :13: Morr than Sania?:13:
 
I'm not a huge Malik fan, but I got some amusement out of seeing Rizwan run him so hard initially and Malik responded. I'll give him credit, he works hard out there, on the field and running.
 
Another Champions Trophy disaster for Malik in England. If we are planning on using him in the middle order in England then we will be repeating history.
 
Has been clinical since his comeback; I've not been amongst those who has jumped to conclusions but Malik has surprised us all to an extent. If he can maintain his current form I can see him doing well in England to as a middle order batsman, the pitches are not like what they use to be; are generally flat and help the spinners. Malik is pretty decent against the spinners and he's great at rotating the strike at his best. What has impressed me most is his risk free cricket in the last 10 overs.
 
Mamoon said:
He has been so clinical in his approach and has been reading the situation so well. Him in current form/2004-2008 version was something we clearly missed in the ODI team in the last few years, and it is no surprise that 2009-2014 has been pretty much our worst phase as an ODI batting unit for a long time.

We didn't have someone who would work the field, run hard for his singles and convert ones into twos, minimize high-risk shots and ensure that he stays right till the end to finish a run chase or provide late impetus - things he has been doing since his return.

Our prominent ODI batsmen in the last few years, i.e. Misbah, Umar, Hafeez, Shehzad, Maqsood etc. simply didn't provide most/all of the aforementioned qualities.
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So, which is it? Is Pakistan cricket finished or nah?
 
Malik has a track record of being a bottler and chickening out against quality oppositions.

He has a woeful record in every ICC tournament/world cups as well, and obviously outside SC too.

These are the reasons why I'm not totally convinced by this Malik reborn, maybe he indeed has turned a corner because for the last 6 years he was not able to buy runs even against the minnows.

I will be happy if he can have a MISBAH-like late blooming, but for this he has to perform against quality sides and in big events like Misbah did.

Fingers crossed, next series is again minnows so we'll have to wait a while.
 
Hawkeye said:
Malik has a track record of being a bottler and chickening out against quality oppositions.

He has a woeful record in every ICC tournament/world cups as well, and obviously outside SC too.

These are the reasons why I'm not totally convinced by this Malik reborn, maybe he indeed has turned a corner because for the last 6 years he was not able to buy runs even against the minnows.

I will be happy if he can have a MISBAH-like late blooming, but for this he has to perform against quality sides and in big events like Misbah did.

Fingers crossed, next series is again minnows so we'll have to wait a while.
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Malik won us the only match we have won against India in ICC tournaments. And he had a big part in us reaching the finals of 07 T20 as well as later winning it under YK. Yes Afridi was the stand out performer but Malik had a hand in that victory.

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Couch Cricketer said:
Malik won us the only match we have won against India in ICC tournaments. And he had a big part in us reaching the finals of 07 T20 as well as later winning it under YK. Yes Afridi was the stand out performer but Malik had a hand in that victory.

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Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story
 
One match can't and won't hide years of bottling and mediocrity.

Like I said, he may have turned into a late bloomer now, and if he proves that he can do well against quality oppositions and specially in tournaments, I will have no reason to criticize or doubt him.

I respect those who despite their early mediocrity overcome it due to sheer hard work, so let's see how Malik's case pans out.
 
Mamoon said:
He has been so clinical in his approach and has been reading the situation so well. Him in current form/2004-2008 version was something we clearly missed in the ODI team in the last few years, and it is no surprise that 2009-2014 has been pretty much our worst phase as an ODI batting unit for a long time.

We didn't have someone who would work the field, run hard for his singles and convert ones into twos, minimize high-risk shots and ensure that he stays right till the end to finish a run chase or provide late impetus - things he has been doing since his return.

Our prominent ODI batsmen in the last few years, i.e. Misbah, Umar, Hafeez, Shehzad, Maqsood etc. simply didn't provide most/all of the aforementioned qualities.
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+1.

He has been brilliant so far. And I don't see how he wont carry on this form in the U.A.E. if anything he should enjoy those pitches more.
 
The clock is ticking down alarmingly quick on Malik's purple patch. I wish he could keep this up, I really do. However, he's failed far too often and far too miserably in the last few years for me to have any hope for him.

If he can help seal this series and also offer some moral support for the youngsters before going into the rut again, he would have had a decent comeback.
 
Version 2.0 seems to be a bit more clinical in middle order batting than before. I've enjoyed watching Hafeez and Malik bat together in the middle overs. We haven't had two decent all rounders in the team like this since Azhar and Razzaq.
 
Couch Cricketer said:
Malik won us the only match we have won against India in ICC tournaments. And he had a big part in us reaching the finals of 07 T20 as well as later winning it under YK. Yes Afridi was the stand out performer but Malik had a hand in that victory.

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youre right his innings against Kapil dev and co in the 1992 world cup is still etched in my mind..
 
the Great Khan said:
youre right his innings against Kapil dev and co in the 1992 world cup is still etched in my mind..
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It wasn't an ICC tournament but his innings in the final of the world championship of cricket in 1985 at Melbourne is the greatest knock in a Pakistan-India clash ever.
 
The Shoaib Malik hot streak

Finally after 4 years of giving him uncountable chances, Shoaib Malik is on a hot streak. He has been doing well with the bat, the ball and on the field. I definitely wasn't one of those people who believed in him, but you can't blame me...he has had 4 whole freaking years to do a good job and he flopped for a long time but was still puzzlingly selected. The way he was always selected despite ghatiya performances is something I didn't appreciate, but I am very happy that he has been performing well for Pakistan over the last few months, which begs the question...is this JUST a hot streak? Is this just a lucky patch for the man or is this streak he needed to get his confidence back and continue to put up consistent performances for the team until the next world cup?
 
miandadrules said:
I finally got to see Malik mark 2 bat.

Though, he batted well I still see the same glaring deficiencies. I had hoped with all this hysteria that he had made some significant technical improvements but this doesn't seem to be the case.

I think he will make hay while the sun shines, as at least for the next five ODIs which are going to be against Sri Lanka, West Indies and Zimbabwe on benign wickets. I guess that means the honeymoon period in my opinion will be over within the next 10 ODIs, with the cracks being evident during the England series.

The reason this may also be a false dawn is the respective performances of all the Pakistan batters in this series, where nobody has been woeful. It's important to see his performance relative to his team mates.
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Have you seen the pitches prepared for england vs new zealand odi's? Pitches these days are flat everywhere and shoaib malik bats at 5, 6.
 
BleedGreen said:
Currently has the best batting average in 2015 by a Pakistani :)

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This is monstrous stuff so far from Shoaib Malik. I had my doubts about him but he has proved me wrong so far. Let's hope he keeps this up. Look at that strike rate though, very unlike Pakistan.

I obviously want Pakistan to win the next match and clinch their champions trophy spot. Last match though i'd want Shoaib Malik to walk in at 32/3 ~ and see how he approaches his game.
 
I never doubted malik ability against SL, Zim etc: let's face it even hafeez softy can score against these teams.
I hope that with this confidence his second coming does well against stronger attacks: that's where an investment in malik the batsman will far outweigh hafeez
 
Pete Rose said:
I never doubted malik ability against SL, Zim etc: let's face it even hafeez softy can score against these teams.
I hope that with this confidence his second coming does well against stronger attacks: that's where an investment in malik the batsman will far outweigh hafeez
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Well, against stronger attacks, an investment in Babar will most likely pay off as opposed to Malik.
 
Third Man said:
Have you seen the pitches prepared for england vs new zealand odi's? Pitches these days are flat everywhere and shoaib malik bats at 5, 6.
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Great strategy.

Hope that the opposition prepare the flatest pitches and their bowling isn't at full strength when Malik comes in. They might as well roll out the red carpet for him when comes out to bat. Shall we also ask for the fielders to have their hands tied behind their back.

Pitches are also dependant on seasonal conditions. This year England has had a heat wave hence the drier surfaces, but that is no guarantee for subsequent seasons.

I wasn't even referring to the pitches in England, I meant when England tour UAE. As soon as he comes up against a decent bowling attack he is going to fold unless he addresses his technical faults.

But he must thank his lucky stars that the PCB have arranged another series against Zimbabwe in addition to the tri-series. So when he is finally exposed against the better teams, the excuse will be, as it has always been, he has been so successful (against Zim and WI) and now he has temporarily lost form.
 
Pete Rose said:
Yes he is playing in Babars spot
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Well Babar doesn't have a spot to begin with. It can be argued that Hafeez is taking Haris' spot. My answer was to original statement you made on how investing in Malik is a better option than Hafeez, where an investment in Babar would trump both.
 
Belawal2014 said:
Well Babar doesn't have a spot to begin with. It can be argued that Hafeez is taking Haris' spot. My answer was to original statement you made on how investing in Malik is a better option than Hafeez, where an investment in Babar would trump both.
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Not really. Hafeez is advertised as bowler-more, and in fact, was consistently persisted due to bowling despite of his failure as batsman before. Since hafeez is no longer allowed to bowl, it is imperative that he should be replaced specialist spinner like Babar while Malik should be upgraded to one down or carry on with Malik as finisher/match-chaser, one of important role in the history of Pakistan cricket while Haris Sohail should be promoted as one down specialist.

Never compromise batsman to bowler or bowler to batsman. It should be bowler to bowler, in this case, hafeez to Babar .
 
Shoaib Malik last 6 innings for Pakistan :

112
36*
3
55*
51
42*

Total runs 299
Average 99.67
Strike rate 131
 
Saj said:
Shoaib Malik last 6 innings for Pakistan :

112
36*
3
55*
51
42*

Total runs 299
Average 99.67
Strike rate 131
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these are really good numbers. SL is ranked no.4 ODI team for a reason. Performing against them in their backyard is always nice. so well done to Malik so far. He should just keep this consistency going.
 
[MENTION=10992]Fallen King[/MENTION] [MENTION=1080]miandadrules[/MENTION]

Nice to see you guys still at it :inti

I think one of the big reasons behind Shoaib's improvement is Sania Mirza. She's a sportsperson so she understands what its like to be down and out and the work needed to make a comeback. Her support must have helped him significantly.
 
miandadrules said:
Coming from you, I'll take that as a compliment.

The only problem I have is whether it is said with sincerity? Because you're track record suggests otherwise.
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Whether you take my post as compliment or not, I am being honest as usual. :jf

BleedGreen said:
[MENTION=10992]Fallen King[/MENTION] [MENTION=1080]miandadrules[/MENTION]

Nice to see you guys still at it :inti

I think one of the big reasons behind Shoaib's improvement is Sania Mirza. She's a sportsperson so she understands what its like to be down and out and the work needed to make a comeback. Her support must have helped him significantly.
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I guess some thing don't change. :jf
 
BleedGreen said:
[MENTION=10992]Fallen King[/MENTION] [MENTION=1080]miandadrules[/MENTION]

Nice to see you guys still at it :inti

I think one of the big reasons behind Shoaib's improvement is Sania Mirza. She's a sportsperson so she understands what its like to be down and out and the work needed to make a comeback. Her support must have helped him significantly.
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Firstly, I hope this is the last time our names are used in the same sentence.

Secondly, Sania might be a reason but I think Payangara, Vitori, Mpofo, Uteysa, Mathews, Pathrina, Dilshan and the ground staff at Gaddafi Stadium probably played a bigger role.
 
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