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Should Malik be in the plans for the 2019 WC?

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Should be disappointed with his performance. Was set at the crease in the first T20 but threw his wicket away, and today in spite of knowing that the wicket was sticky and the ball was not coming onto the bat, he decided to take long-on on and was never going to clear him.
 
Big series coming up after this Zim tour. Time for him to build as much confidence and form as he can on this tour.
 
Seems like he's back to his original form. A slightly difficult pitch, gives up.
 
Hawkeye said:
Seems like he's back to his original form. A slightly difficult pitch, gives up.
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similar pitch for both matches. I think he has played conservatively. especially in the t20s since his comeback. today was the day he decided to break the shackles. Did not really come off that
 
Hawkeye said:
Seems like he's back to his original form. A slightly difficult pitch, gives up.
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For someone who is being hailed as the mainstay of the batting line up, whose fans claim he plays as if he is another pitch to everyone else, he has failed each time the pressure is on since his comeback.

He lacks bottle and that is something you can't teach nor tweet.
 
Malik was 3xPøŽ31)_ today :))))))

How will encyclomedia PR turn it around this time???

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miandadrules said:
There is an eerie silence in this thread.
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Inability to handle pressure is a sign that they enjoy comfort zone.
It is also a sign that you are content with the level you have reached and don't plan on improving their deficiencies.

Malik will always look for an escape route when the going gets tough.

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waleed88 said:
Inability to handle pressure is a sign that they enjoy comfort zone.
It is also a sign that you are content with the level you have reached and don't plan on improving their deficiencies.

Malik will always look for an escape route when the going gets tough.

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I didn't get to see the innings but did he show anger and displeasure when he got out?
 
He should be disappointed to be bowled by a part timer spinner. He is just too good against spin.
 
waleed88 said:
Inability to handle pressure is a sign that they enjoy comfort zone.
It is also a sign that you are content with the level you have reached and don't plan on improving their deficiencies.

Malik will always look for an escape route when the going gets tough.

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When the going got tough he scored 30 odd runs. He got out when there were part timers bowling and there were easy runs to add to his score. He just got overconfident.
 
MRSN said:
When the going got tough he scored 30 odd runs. He got out when there were part timers bowling and there were easy runs to add to his score. He just got overconfident.
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Just a quick question.

Do you have to convince yourself before you post or do you just follow the PR companies tweets?

Or does it come naturally?
 
Average innings today. Should not have thrown his wicket away in such a fashion after spending considerable time at the crease.
 
Maliks bowling today reminiscent of Saqi in his ODI peak. Absolute jaffer. Becoming a true ODI all rounder.

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He is miles ahead of the other seniors anyway. Both on and off the field.

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A pretty solid all-round performance. Redeemed himself after failing to cash in with the bat when he was required to.

After all, he is an 'athlete with mad cricketing skills' :malik
 
Good all round performance from him today. Disappointed with the way he got out

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Doing rather well with the ball. He's certainly not been the worst cricketer on this tour. But Pakistan should plan well from now for the 2019 World Cup. Malik is simply a stop gap solution till Pakistan find a no.7 who can score quick cameos and bowl a tidy 10 overs.
 
miandadrules said:
Just a quick question.

Do you have to convince yourself before you post or do you just follow the PR companies tweets?

Or does it come naturally?
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Great players attract people with their performance. It's only natural to be fan of match winners. Selfish players who would rather play for their averages than winning for their team despise me.
 
MRSN said:
Great players attract people with their performance. It's only natural to be fan of match winners. Selfish players who would rather play for their averages than winning for their team despise me.
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But he's not a match winner.

In fact he was an active match loser for 6 years, so your theory doesn't seem to correlate.

Why are you trying to spin it?
 
Madplayer said:
he dug pakistan out of trouble. Should have continued and scored a big one though.
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Sure he did.

Keep telling yourself that.

The fact is in any other player would have been criticised, however Malik gets a positive spin.
 
His innings was crucial today.

He got out at the wrong time(and he knows it) but played superbly well when the ball was moving around.

Once again a superb all round performance.

#quality
 
Malik did well with the ball today. His biggest test will be against England.

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miandadrules said:
I'm the broken record, when you're trying to put a positive spin on the most "dynamic ODI batsman in Pakistan" scoring at a SR below 70?

#credibility
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Most dynamic is Umar Akmal.

Malik is most calculative and understands modern ODI cricket.

So today he scored under 70. But isn't this what Misbah did for the past 5 years, and he was hailed a 'success'?

#beconsistent
 
Bullet Drive said:
Most dynamic is Umar Akmal.

Malik is most calculative and understands modern ODI cricket.

So today he scored under 70. But isn't this what Misbah did for the past 5 years, and he was hailed a 'success'?

#beconsistent
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Who hailed him a success? And if you're attacking Misbah's ODI batting how can you hail Malik's innings?

You said Malik was the most dynamic.

#yesbeconsistent.
 
miandadrules said:
Sure he did.

Keep telling yourself that.

The fact is in any other player would have been criticised, however Malik gets a positive spin.
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i agree he should have carried on and scored a big one. Thats a fair criticism. But how many times has he done this since his comeback? Not many. I was against his return to the team but he has done well. Alluding to the point that he is the biggest culprit for playing how he did today is unfair and pedantic.

malik is the least of our worries right now. The top order is a mess. Shehzad and azhar are slow. Well atleast azhar is consistent. hafeez (without his bowling) isnt good enough. That is the primary concern.
 
Madplayer said:
i agree he should have carried on and scored a big one. Thats a fair criticism. But how many times has he done this since his comeback? Not many. I was against his return to the team but he has done well. Alluding to the point that he is the biggest culprit for playing how he did today is unfair and pedantic.

malik is the least of our worries right now. The top order is a mess. Shehzad and azhar are slow. Well atleast azhar is consistent. hafeez (without his bowling) isnt good enough. That is the primary concern.
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I'm sorry but he has folded when put under pressure since his comeback too.

Whereas Shehzad, Hafeez and Azhar are liberally criticised, Malik's performances are being spun as some great cricketing fairytale.
 
Malik failed with the bat today should have gotten a hundred. But did the job of the sixth baller like was expected.

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miandadrules said:
I'm sorry but he has folded when put under pressure since his comeback too.

Whereas Shehzad, Hafeez and Azhar are liberally criticised, Malik's performances are being spun as some great cricketing fairytale.
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Sorry Shehzad and Hafeez are being criticized for consistent failures not just todays match. Malik since his comeback has beem scoring consistently baring 1-2 matches if he scores 30 and less in the next 2 matches then yes he will be called out.

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Couch Cricketer said:
Sorry Shehzad and Hafeez are being criticized for consistent failures not just todays match. Malik since his comeback has beem scoring consistently baring 1-2 matches if he scores 30 and less in the next 2 matches then yes he will be called out.

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My post was in context to [MENTION=131678]Madplayer[/MENTION] saying that we have more pressing concerns. I simply pointed out that they are roundly criticised, however even Malik's innings today is being hailed as "vital", "crucial" and "dug us out of trouble".
 
127 runs at 127 average (& @ ~80 SR), 3 wickets for 55 & brilliant in fielding, with a match to go - another MoS coming?
 
Quality knock under the circumstances but my reservations remain.

Needed heroics from Yamin and Yasir to get within touch distance.
 
miandadrules said:
Quality knock under the circumstances but my reservations remain.

Needed heroics from Yamin and Yasir to get within touch distance.
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He could have paced it better, but I appreciate the fact that you called it a quality innings. It truly was, regardless of the opposition.
 
Mamoon said:
He could have paced it better, but I appreciate the fact that you called it a quality innings. It truly was, regardless of the opposition.
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He was slow a little too cautious to begin within and I didn't see the rest of the innings but he did seem to pick it up nicely. That said it was the type of innings Misbah was criticised for and had Yasir and Yamin not contributed where would that have left Malik?

It shows that currently we don't have any top tier ODI batsmen that can take complete control of the game. It's a worrying sign that we are struggling as badly as we are against Zimbos.

I personally feel had the rain not come Malik would have taken us home, as he was riding on a wave of momentum.
 
miandadrules said:
He was slow a little too cautious to begin within and I didn't see the rest of the innings but he did seem to pick it up nicely. That said it was the type of innings Misbah was criticised for and had Yasir and Yamin not contributed where would that have left Malik?

It shows that currently we don't have any top tier ODI batsmen that can take complete control of the game. It's a worrying sign that we are struggling as badly as we are against Zimbos.

I personally feel had the rain not come Malik would have taken us home, as he was riding on a wave of momentum.
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The difference is that Misbah generally got out for 60-70 and left the tail with too much to do. Malik hung around till the end and was robbed of a match-winning hundred, something Misbah has never been good enough to do so.

His strike rotation was terrible and he'd throw his wicket away in the end trying to slog everything.
 
Mamoon said:
He could have paced it better, but I appreciate the fact that you called it a quality innings. It truly was, regardless of the opposition.
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With the all the wickets falling he had the simple plan of keeping up with the runrate till the last over. 20 of the last 12 is a doable was lucky that yamin and yasir were able to score quickly and allow him to play safely till the end. Unlucky to not get a hundred and the match being called off when it did.
In the last match he scored 30 only but I was feeling he had the chance to get a hundred and threw it away. This time he was robbed by the light and some Zim time wasting.
To me Malik is the best at pacing a chase we have had since Inzi retired. But unlike Inzi he does not have the power hitting to do it alone and needs someone at the other end to get a few boundaries as well. Rizwan and Imad are coming up nicely as well with these 3 I have started believing that we can chase scores of of 270-80 where as earlier even 240 didn't seem possible.
With Malik, Sarfaraz, Rizwan, Imad, Yamin/Anwar Ali Our middle and lower order in ODI is starting to look really promising.

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Couch Cricketer said:
With the all the wickets falling he had the simple plan of keeping up with the runrate till the last over. 20 of the last 12 is a doable was lucky that yamin and yasir were able to score quickly and allow him to play safely till the end. Unlucky to not get a hundred and the match being called off when it did.
In the last match he scored 30 only but I was feeling he had the chance to get a hundred and threw it away. This time he was robbed by the light and some Zim time wasting.
To me Malik is the best at pacing a chase we have had since Inzi retired. But unlike Inzi he does not have the power hitting to do it alone and needs someone at the other end to get a few boundaries as well. Rizwan and Imad are coming up nicely as well with these 3 I have started believing that we can chase scores of of 270-80 where as earlier even 240 didn't seem possible.
With Malik, Sarfaraz, Rizwan, Imad, Yamin/Anwar Ali Our middle and lower order in ODI is starting to look really promising.

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I agree, good post.
 
Mamoon said:
The difference is that Misbah generally got out for 60-70 and left the tail with too much to do. Malik hung around till the end and was robbed of a match-winning hundred, something Misbah has never been good enough to do so.

His strike rotation was terrible and he'd throw his wicket away in the end trying to slog everything.
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Misbah rarely got the support Malik got either.
 
miandadrules said:
Misbah rarely got the support Malik got either.
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I'd argue that the fact that Misbah never managed to score a single ODI hundred in spite of plenty of matches against lowly opposition on docile wickets is completely his own undoing.
 
Mamoon said:
I'd argue that the fact that Misbah never managed to score a single ODI hundred in spite of plenty of matches against lowly opposition on docile wickets is completely his own undoing.
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I don't rate as a ODI bat. Merely pointing out that there isn't much between what Misbah has done and Malik's performance.

How many times did Misbah have players at the other end play in the manner Yasir and Yamin played?
 
miandadrules said:
I don't rate as a ODI bat. Merely pointing out that there isn't much between what Misbah has done and Malik's performance.

How many times did Misbah have players at the other end play in the manner Yasir and Yamin played?
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Oh I agree that Malik got very good support today, but it was a better knock than majority of Misbah's over the last few years.
 
Mamoon said:
I'd argue that the fact that Misbah never managed to score a single ODI hundred in spite of plenty of matches against lowly opposition on docile wickets is completely his own undoing.
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miandadrules said:
I don't rate as a ODI bat. Merely pointing out that there isn't much between what Misbah has done and Malik's performance.

How many times did Misbah have players at the other end play in the manner Yasir and Yamin played?
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Although I appreciate Malik's inning today but the point [MENTION=1080]miandadrules[/MENTION] is making is completely legitimate. Misbah had Umar Akmal and Afridi. Umar Akmal would just hole one to midwicket and get out and Afridi was well Afridi.

Misbah rarely got support at the other end but at the end of the day he should have got rid of Umar and Afridi yet he continued to persist with them.
 
miandadrules said:
I don't rate as a ODI bat. Merely pointing out that there isn't much between what Misbah has done and Malik's performance.

How many times did Misbah have players at the other end play in the manner Yasir and Yamin played?
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I am also a big misbah supporter but bro, the thing is that shobby stayed there till the very end whereas misbah got out himself. And I am pretty sure that he would have taken us over the line if the game had not been called off

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Cricket lover 27 said:
Although I appreciate Malik's inning today but the point [MENTION=1080]miandadrules[/MENTION] is making is completely legitimate. Misbah had Umar Akmal and Afridi. Umar Akmal would just hole one to midwicket and get out and Afridi was well Afridi.

Misbah rarely got support at the other end but at the end of the day he should have got rid of Umar and Afridi yet he continued to persist with them.
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Like I said, I do not deny that Malik had excellent support today. My point is that Misbah has himself to blame for not scoring even a single hundred and Malik's innings today was certainly better than a lot of innings that Misbah has played in ODIs over the years.
 
Brilliant knock today.

At once, I thought he would play his customary (in these situations) 60 ball 30 innings but he got better and better as his innings progressed. Got to feel for him.

Good enough innings to tolerate his fans' chest thumping for a day ;-)
 
miandadrules said:
I don't rate as a ODI bat. Merely pointing out that there isn't much between what Misbah has done and Malik's performance.

How many times did Misbah have players at the other end play in the manner Yasir and Yamin played?
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I would beg to differ. I remember a number of occassions when afridi was going berserk at the other end but misbah could never capitalize. In atleast 2 instances from memory, I can recall him departing before afridi, as he tried to match him but failed, which just underpins that he just didnt hv the capability to play a good odi innings where one rotates strike and feeds off momentum from a more dynamic batter.

One was against safrica where afridi got 88 of 40 odd balls and we were chasing 350 odd.
We were goin great until misbah tried a customary slog and afridi lost the plot thereafter sighting that he wont get support from the tail.
Another one was early this year against nz where afridi made some 69 off 25 odd balls.
Even there misbah deserted him coz he couldnt play that second fiddle role effectively.

Now dont tell me that yamin or yasir provided as much momentum as afridi did

Misbah could just play one way n that was hitting a boundary through a slog, n then blocking the next 2 before getting lucky with a single.

Malik,despite all his weaknesses atleast has this skill
 
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Stallion__ said:
Brilliant knock today.

At once, I thought he would play his customary (in these situations) 60 ball 30 innings but he got better and better as his innings progressed. Got to feel for him.

Good enough innings to tolerate his fans' chest thumping for a day ;-)
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We lost the match. Despite of heroic inning, but losing in this manner makes it unbearable to watch. I am sure like Malik, his supporters would want to forget this inning too. We were robbed of good cricket at the end. :facepalm:
 
miandadrules said:
I don't rate as a ODI bat. Merely pointing out that there isn't much between what Misbah has done and Malik's performance.

How many times did Misbah have players at the other end play in the manner Yasir and Yamin played?
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Different styles of Batting Misbah didn't mind playing 3-4 dots and then hitting 2 boundaries in the last 2 balls where as Malik usually targets 5 singles and boundary. Both can be successful but Misbah style is more risky and puts pressure on his batting partner. Misbah was a good player could have been a great Odi player had he been able to add singles to his game.

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Couch Cricketer said:
With the all the wickets falling he had the simple plan of keeping up with the runrate till the last over. 20 of the last 12 is a doable was lucky that yamin and yasir were able to score quickly and allow him to play safely till the end. Unlucky to not get a hundred and the match being called off when it did.
In the last match he scored 30 only but I was feeling he had the chance to get a hundred and threw it away. This time he was robbed by the light and some Zim time wasting.
To me Malik is the best at pacing a chase we have had since Inzi retired. But unlike Inzi he does not have the power hitting to do it alone and needs someone at the other end to get a few boundaries as well. Rizwan and Imad are coming up nicely as well with these 3 I have started believing that we can chase scores of of 270-80 where as earlier even 240 didn't seem possible.
With Malik, Sarfaraz, Rizwan, Imad, Yamin/Anwar Ali Our middle and lower order in ODI is starting to look really promising.

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miandadrules said:
Quality knock under the circumstances but my reservations remain.

Needed heroics from Yamin and Yasir to get within touch distance.
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Stallion__ said:
Brilliant knock today.

At once, I thought he would play his customary (in these situations) 60 ball 30 innings but he got better and better as his innings progressed. Got to feel for him.

Good enough innings to tolerate his fans' chest thumping for a day ;-)
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miandadrules said:
He was slow a little too cautious to begin within and I didn't see the rest of the innings but he did seem to pick it up nicely. That said it was the type of innings Misbah was criticised for and had Yasir and Yamin not contributed where would that have left Malik?

It shows that currently we don't have any top tier ODI batsmen that can take complete control of the game. It's a worrying sign that we are struggling as badly as we are against Zimbos.

I personally feel had the rain not come Malik would have taken us home, as he was riding on a wave of momentum.
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I thought Malik had paced his innings beautifully - his strike rate was around 60/70 in the early stages of his innings but it was understandable given we had lost 6 wickets already for 77 runs.

WIth Yamin doing the hitting (along with Yasir later on)- the pressure was off him and he was able to mlik the singles until about the 45th over. Even after that, he was not wildly slogging but made preciuse calculated strokes such as the lofted drive over mid-on and his drives over point - absolute pleasure to watch and no doubt he could and would have gotten us home.

I have bigger reservations on the contributions of Azhar Ali, Hafeez and to some extent Shehzad who all should really do much better against the Zimbabwe bowling attack...

For me, Hafeez is yet to fully convince and I am getting more and more confident that we should make way for him by recalling Haris Sohail or Babar Azam at the earliest opportunity.
 
Fantastic knock today by Malik - he bowled well too and should have been given more overs. Shoaib is having a great 2015.
 
[MENTION=1080]miandadrules[/MENTION] do you not agree that Yasir & Yamins success today is also partly down to Malik?

Partnerships is key, and Misbah hardly did that in ODI cricket. All he did was block 4 balls, take a single. And repeat and repeat.
 
Bullet Drive said:
[MENTION=1080]miandadrules[/MENTION] do you not agree that Yasir & Yamins success today is also partly down to Malik?

Partnerships is key, and Misbah hardly did that in ODI cricket. All he did was block 4 balls, take a single. And repeat and repeat.
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That's because most of the time there was nobody left for him to partner with!
 
Well, it is impossible to build partnership with Misbah. With Misbah, his partner is always put on the spot all the time. Most of his partners in the past had to play reckless shots due to Misbah hogging all the deliveries.

On the other hand, Malik makes it easier for the partner to get settled and allow the partnership to grow beautifully which proves crucial for Pakistan. What makes partnership is strike rotation and understanding between each other.

Misbah always struggled with his strike rotation, consumed a lot of balls thus putting pressure on the partner never results well.

On crease, Shoaib Malik gets along with everyone and groom youngsters very well. But with Misbah, it is opposite unfortunately.
 
Fallen King said:
Well, it is impossible to build partnership with Misbah. With Misbah, his partner is always put on the spot all the time. Most of his partners in the past had to play reckless shots due to Misbah hogging all the deliveries.

On the other hand, Malik makes it easier for the partner to get settled and allow the partnership to grow beautifully which proves crucial for Pakistan. What makes partnership is strike rotation and understanding between each other.

Misbah always struggled with his strike rotation, consumed a lot of balls thus putting pressure on the partner never results well.

On crease, Shoaib Malik gets along with everyone and groom youngsters very well. But with Misbah, it is opposite unfortunately.
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Exactly this. Furthermore, Misbah could never finish the innings off, which is why he never got 100.
 
in_cutter said:
The only partnership of note today was between Malik & Amin...
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And how about Malik and Yasir?

And in previous games Malik and Sarfaraz? Rizwan and Imad?

Why all of a sudden are we building partnerships now that Misbah has gone.... think about it.
 
Bullet Drive said:
And how about Malik and Yasir?

And in previous games Malik and Sarfaraz? Rizwan and Imad?

Why all of a sudden are we building partnerships now that Misbah has gone.... think about it.
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Misbah played too many dot balls.

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Another good knock from shobby and anoother Man of the Series award for him! Averaging over 100 with a strie rate of over 114 this year! Exceptional!
Getting wickets as well!
 
He is only 10 runs away from 6000 runs.
Will be the only one in the current odi setup for Pakistan(excluding younis Khan) with 6000 runs orb more

S...mash
 
umer187 said:
Misbah played too many dot balls.

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Though Ahmed Shehzad is making sure we don't miss Misbah. Misbah did have the capability to hit some sixes and make up for his slow start but Shehzad cant even do that.
 
gazza619 said:
Though Ahmed Shehzad is making sure we don't miss Misbah. Misbah did have the capability to hit some sixes and make up for his slow start but Shehzad cant even do that.
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Agreed.
I liked Misbah though

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There is a long way to go but a test hundred here would really be the icing on top for Malik and his comeback will be complete.
 
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