Shoaib Malik Support & Performance Watch

[TalentSpotterPk]

If Malik works out his game against short pitch bowling before next game in nets with flower , which he has failed to do so in last 16 years than sharjah is going to be flat wicket to bat on. Who knows a wicket ideal for draw is prepared by PCB. So malik can score on that wicket if he survives the short pitch bowling . But England will come hard at him.

 

[miandadrules]

If Malik works out his game against short pitch bowling before next game in nets with flower , which he has failed to do so in last 16 years than sharjah is going to be flat wicket to bat on. Who knows a wicket ideal for draw is prepared by PCB. So malik can score on that wicket if he survives the short pitch bowling . But England will come hard at him.

It's not that simple.

He'd have to make a lot of technical changes, from the way he grips his bat, his feet movement to get in line and the manner in which his bat arcs.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

It's not that simple.

He'd have to make a lot of technical changes, from the way he grips his bat, his feet movement to get in line and the manner in which his bat arcs.

Yes you are spot on.

And also when malik drives his front future in in the air not fully grounded when he makes contact with the ball so when he is facing chin music and if he gets driveable length than his front foot will be further in the air and chance of getting caught at Covers or knicking to slip cordon.

But on a flat wicket you never know

 

[Slog]

Some of the delusion regarding Malik in the last page or so is mind boggling. Damnnn.

 

[shaz619]

Has been a walking wicket ever since the double he got on a flat deck. He is playing as an A/R that should be batting in the lower order or else he shouldn't be in the line up altogether. But then again this is Test Cricket and you can't really hide, Malik is bound to struggle given his inept technique against pace but at best he can be used as a utility cricketer similar to Mo Ali for England.

 

[miandadrules]

One inning he fails and he is not batsman anymore or should be demoted to the down order. Clearly, haters are losing their plot. Shudder to think what would have been the card for England team if it wasn't for Shoaib Malik's extraordinary inning in the first inning.

Maybe he shouldn't perform in second test and see how Pakistan team responds without him as whole. There is no Saeed Ajmal, but there is Yasir Shah coming back, and fair to assume judging by the whole team performance in today's match, they could use all the help they could get.

I hope you got your answer.

Malik contributed absolutely nothing and the team won.

What conclusions will you draw from this?

We eagerly await....

 

[miandadrules]

Has been a walking wicket ever since the double he got on a flat deck. He is playing as an A/R that should be batting in the lower order or else he shouldn't be in the line up altogether. But then again this is Test Cricket and you can't really hide, Malik is bound to struggle given his inept technique against pace but at best he can be used as a utility cricketer similar to Mo Ali for England.

The English were caught cold in the first innings because Malik was brought in out of the blue and they hadn't done their homework. They were also defeated by the pitch before a ball was bowled as they resigned their pacers to support acts containing the runs. Had they gone full tilt at him and delayed using the slower bowlers it would have been a totally different story.

Unfortunately, Moeen Ali has a heart if nothing else which is something distinctly lacking in Malik.

 

[shaz619]

The English were caught cold in the first innings because Malik was brought in out of the blue and they hadn't done their homework. They were also defeated by the pitch before a ball was bowled as they resigned their pacers to support acts containing the runs. Had they gone full tilt at him and delayed using the slower bowlers it would have been a totally different story.

Unfortunately, Moeen Ali has a heart if nothing else which is something distinctly lacking in Malik.

Moeen Ali has been a big failure as an opener thus far on wickets which are easier to bat on then in England, he is pretty decent against spin but awful when it comes to pace/short stuff so very similar to Malik. Mo has also failed in the middle order but found success in the lower order. So at best if Pak need an A/R that can roll his arm and bat down the order then it is possible that it could work but if they expect more from Malik then am afraid I've got some bad news.

 

[shaz619]

Also [MENTION=1080]miandadrules[/MENTION]

I think if the pitch/conditions require us to play a Batting A/R that happens to be a spinner then Malik selection would be very useful in the UAE and asia; if not then Malik should only play ODI's but the issue is that you want an A/R that is capable of performing in all conditions around the world and from that perspective Malik is not good enough. Not sure if Malik is a guy they'd use on a series by series basis, Misbah is someone who certainly wouldn't because it effects the stability so you're either in the team or you're not. Personally would have invested in Fawad and asked him to focus on his bowling a bit over the years.

 

[WC-Passion]

How do you know? He is in great touch & he 'll bat at 4 (as Misbah is not there) - what if he gets a 100 & decline to quit? PAK media 'll create mayhem if he is dropped after that.

I 'll buy that good bye staff, if YK declares officially that he is going to retire from ODI after English tour.

It won't happen, I have trust in my fellow English bowlers.

I think.

 

[miandadrules]

Also [MENTION=1080]miandadrules[/MENTION]

I think if the pitch/conditions require us to play a Batting A/R that happens to be a spinner then Malik selection would be very useful in the UAE and asia; if not then Malik should only play ODI's but the issue is that you want an A/R that is capable of performing in all conditions around the world and from that perspective Malik is not good enough. Not sure if Malik is a guy they'd use on a series by series basis, Misbah is someone who certainly wouldn't because it effects the stability so you're either in the team or you're not. Personally would have invested in Fawad and asked him to focus on his bowling a bit over the years.

In all honesty he will struggle down the order even in Asia, unless we're playing a pop-gun minnow attack. Why would we even need a spinning allrounder who isn't really a front line bowler? I personally have never been in favour of bits an pieces cricketers in Test. I mean look how many overs were bowled by the spinners in this match, and how much of this was shared by Malik? You could have had Azhar Ali and Haris Sohail roll their arms over for the overs Malik bowled.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but I think it's only a matter of time before he gets exposed in ODIs too.

 

[shaz619]

In all honesty he will struggle down the order even in Asia, unless we're playing a pop-gun minnow attack. Why would we even need a spinning allrounder who isn't really a front line bowler? I personally have never been in favour of bits an pieces cricketers in Test. I mean look how many overs were bowled by the spinners in this match, and how much of this was shared by Malik? You could have had Azhar Ali and Haris Sohail roll their arms over for the overs Malik bowled.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but I think it's only a matter of time before he gets exposed in ODIs too.

The idea behind his selection would be to utilize his bowling in the same manner Hafeez was used. Picking up some handy wickets can help in addition to giving you flexibility when rotating your bowlers. If Malik is selected he should only bat in the lower order imo otherwise shouldn't be in the team, I can't really comment on whether or not he'd be a success but his ability would be best utilized in that manner. Remains to be seen if he can maintain consistency in ODI's. I hope he performs well but should be eliminated the moment he begins to fail repeatedly

 

[WC-Passion]

In all honesty he will struggle down the order even in Asia, unless we're playing a pop-gun minnow attack. Why would we even need a spinning allrounder who isn't really a front line bowler? I personally have never been in favour of bits an pieces cricketers in Test. I mean look how many overs were bowled by the spinners in this match, and how much of this was shared by Malik? You could have had Azhar Ali and Haris Sohail roll their arms over for the overs Malik bowled.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but I think it's only a matter of time before he gets exposed in ODIs too.

Do you think he's good enough for the T20 WC next year?

 

[miandadrules]

Do you think he's good enough for the T20 WC next year?

Possibly but the T20 team looks a sham to me at the moment.

The batting is a real worry. There doesn't seem to be any natural modern limited overs batsmen making it in to the squad.

Either we don't have them or they are not being picked. I think we are better of picking Umar Akmal and Sharjeel Khan for T20s than Mukhtar and Shehzad (I don't think Shahzad is a hack but he just isn't suited LOI cricket yet, especially T20s).

 

[miandadrules]

The idea behind his selection would be to utilize his bowling in the same manner Hafeez was used. Picking up some handy wickets can help in addition to giving you flexibility when rotating your bowlers. If Malik is selected he should only bat in the lower order imo otherwise shouldn't be in the team, I can't really comment on whether or not he'd be a success but his ability would be best utilized in that manner. Remains to be seen if he can maintain consistency in ODI's. I hope he performs well but should be eliminated the moment he begins to fail repeatedly

The only downside is that Hafeez was a far superior bowler to Malik and was used a regular Partnership breaker, Also Hafeez is more prolific against minnows in home conditions in Tests than I think Malik will be.

I personally hope they do bat him at 7 in the next Test so we can finally put this saga to bed.

 

[WC-Passion]

Possibly but the T20 team looks a sham to me at the moment.

The batting is a real worry. There doesn't seem to be any natural modern limited overs batsmen making it in to the squad.

Either we don't have them or they are not being picked. I think we are better of picking Umar Akmal and Sharjeel Khan for T20s than Mukhtar and Shehzad (I don't think Shahzad is a hack but he just isn't suited LOI cricket yet, especially T20s).

I agree. No stability.

 

[miandadrules]

I agree. No stability.

The bowling will hold up but the batsmen are all one dimensional and all pretty much ill-suited to the format. I think the same about the ODI team despite recent results.

There must three batsmen in Pakistan somewhere that know how to bat in the 21st century.

 

[Adil_94]

Shobby has performed already in the Test series. With that epic mahabarat esque 245. He will do much better in the ODI series.

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[Hawkeye]

Shobby will prove himself in the third Test.

A double ton is again ON.

Shobby > Misbah (because he can score 200, Misbah can't)

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

 

[MMHS]

It won't happen, I have trust in my fellow English bowlers.

I think.

I am not sure, this English ODI attack isn't better than the Kiwi attack last year, neither the fielding. You know, during another post of yours, when I was answering, YK hit a boundary on the last ball before Tea on Day 4 - he was in 20s then I believe, check, I wrote then & then that he is going to get a hundred. The way he was batting, his confidence was oozzing out. I have no doubt ever on his capability, 'll not be surprised if he gets the chance to bat 35 overs, & gets a hundred. Now, PAK might end up for 260/4 & lose the match on those UAE roads - that's different story, but for that we always have scapegoats. For almost 2 decades I have read/listened loads on analysis on how great Indian batsmen put 270/6 at Mumbai or Delhi or Kolkata - those pathetic bowlers are too sh***y to defend that........... whereas McGrath or Donald supports their batsmen even defending 220 at MCG or Jo'burg..........

Coming back to YK, I don't think there is a harmony between PCB & YK - not like everyone is expecting. I tell you why - PAK is not going to play ODI at home in foreseeable future, at least not in YK's remaining career. For that, best could have been is to drop Azhar for 3rd ODI at Lahore, play YK as Captain (almost certainly PAK was considered to win that series 3-0, though ZIM probably would have won the 3rd ODI, but that's different story) & he announces his ODI retirement in house full Gaddafi cheering. A lot of great words from Chairman PCB, may be sports minister, few mementos, may be a BMW X6, may be a piece of land at Clifton beach....... - worthy of the services for the great man. It was so befitting, after YK had his dream of playing 4th WC, what else could he expected more?

It didn't happen then & I am not sure it 'll not happen now either - I have full confidence on PCB & YK. Only PAK great that left the stage with head high was Khan, but that had very little input from PCB.

 

[WC-Passion]

The bowling will hold up but the batsmen are all one dimensional and all pretty much ill-suited to the format. I think the same about the ODI team despite recent results.

There must three batsmen in Pakistan somewhere that know how to bat in the 21st century.

I think this should be the lineup:

Sharjeel
Nauman
U.Akmal
Sarfraz (wk) (You can have either Rizwan or Sarfraz as keeper but Sarfraz seems more realistic)
Malik
Rizwan
Afridi (c)
Anwar Ali
Amir
Wahab
Irfan/Yasir Arafat/Sohail Tanvir

What do you think?

 

[WC-Passion]

I am not sure, this English ODI attack isn't better than the Kiwi attack last year, neither the fielding. You know, during another post of yours, when I was answering, YK hit a boundary on the last ball before Tea on Day 4 - he was in 20s then I believe, check, I wrote then & then that he is going to get a hundred. The way he was batting, his confidence was oozzing out. I have no doubt ever on his capability, 'll not be surprised if he gets the chance to bat 35 overs, & gets a hundred. Now, PAK might end up for 260/4 & lose the match on those UAE roads - that's different story, but for that we always have scapegoats. For almost 2 decades I have read/listened loads on analysis on how great Indian batsmen put 270/6 at Mumbai or Delhi or Kolkata - those pathetic bowlers are too sh***y to defend that........... whereas McGrath or Donald supports their batsmen even defending 220 at MCG or Jo'burg..........

Coming back to YK, I don't think there is a harmony between PCB & YK - not like everyone is expecting. I tell you why - PAK is not going to play ODI at home in foreseeable future, at least not in YK's remaining career. For that, best could have been is to drop Azhar for 3rd ODI at Lahore, play YK as Captain (almost certainly PAK was considered to win that series 3-0, though ZIM probably would have won the 3rd ODI, but that's different story) & he announces his ODI retirement in house full Gaddafi cheering. A lot of great words from Chairman PCB, may be sports minister, few mementos, may be a BMW X6, may be a piece of land at Clifton beach....... - worthy of the services for the great man. It was so befitting, after YK had his dream of playing 4th WC, what else could he expected more?

It didn't happen then & I am not sure it 'll not happen now either - I have full confidence on PCB & YK. Only PAK great that left the stage with head high was Khan, but that had very little input from PCB.

I remember in the game before the 2015 WC started in Australia, Pakistan played England, and everyone failed except for Misbah and U.Akmal. They basically bailed us out. Younis was there too.

 

[Slog]

some posts from last year

Proof that Malik has a better technique than Yousuf/Younis!View attachment 50008

Sachin is a match loser/drawer
Malik is a match winner

Check 4th innings averages and see Malik and won games
I know who I'd rather have in the team

Sachin is good for scoring hundreds that won't win you games. Malik will play impact innings under pressure to win you games

Sachin>Malik for scoring useless big tons on flat tracks

Malik recently won us a game against South Africa, despite being played out of position. He has finished countless games in the past against a wide variety of countries. As captain, he has one of the best W/L records ever in ODI's. His test average is a bit low, but that is because of his temperament back then, as a young player, he was more prone to trying to hit out.

As we can see in the stats above, he has little technical fault, in fact, less than Younis. He has been ignored and played out of position for 5 years, affecting his average.

He may not be an ATG, but I see someone who can average 45-50 easily in tests, and 45+ in ODI's, which would make him useful for Pakistan. He needs to captain our ODI team for the WC, if we are to have any chance of winning!

[MENTION=253]the Great Khan[/MENTION], [MENTION=134177]Sam18696[/MENTION]

Agreed. Also, the logic that you will be 39 by the next world cup is pretty poor. If you are fit, age does not matter. Nasir Jamshed and Misbah are 2 good examples. Floyd Mayweather is 38, and is still rocking. Malik has been fit through out his career, and there is no denying that he will remain fit for the next 4-5 years.

Malik made Haris Sohail. No Shoaib Malik no Haris Sohail. He was his apprentice in the Sialkot Stallions, and Malik raised him from a young 13 year old who couldn't hold a bat to the youngsta prodigy he is today, on his way to become one of the best left-handed batsmen of all time.

It's sad how people bash Shoaib Malik on this site, despite all he has done for Pakistan cricket. People need to seriously re-evaluate their morals here and swallow their pride and praise the young Sialkot born warrior.

He is the one batsman from our country who has stuck it to the Indians whenever it mattered while the other batsman wet their pants at the sight of grand trundlers Nehra and Balaji. His 129 was awe-inspiring, even the greatest matchwinner of all time Inzimam praised that innings and said Malik was undroppable. He was right.

Some after the test

Well played. Nothing wrong in getting dismissed for duck after having much needed scored 245 runs. Good practice for other batsmen just before the second test. One thing i have learned that Shoaib Malik only performs when the team needs him. Better to save some energy for second test since his job is done for the first test. Now the rest of them should chip in as possible for the 1st team. Shoaib Malik is not the only one getting paid for the team.

The way Misbah is struggling, if it wasn't for Malik's duck, we wouldn't have found out by now. This should make PCB's job easier now knowing the form of Misbah should confirm the rumor of retirement and start preparing Azhar for captaincy.

And one inning he played like don bradman. Don't ignore positive thing too. That is positive especially for part-timer spinner who is playing in Test format after roughly five years without any practice. The more he plays he gets better.

Shoaib Malik is not chucker and that's why he had been able to bowl in Natwest T20 blast / County where the real drama started on Saeed Ajmal, bowled for Hobart Hurricane in Champion League where Hafeez bowling action was questioned, and played Big Bash League and CPL through out the whole tournament. Just now, he just bowled, and yet no discussion on his bowling action.

Saeed Ajmal and Hafeez are chuckers, and that's why they were rightly banned. But Shoaib Malik is clean spinner, and that's why he is legit to bowl. First test of last inning, he played vital role as part-time spinner, and kept the run tightened in support for Yasir Shah and Zulfiqar on the second of the first inning when they were leaking runs repeatedly.

The bottom line is he is here to say whether you like it or not. As Pakistani fan, you shouldn't be wishing like this. He plays for Pakistan too. Make sure not to let your hatred for Malik clouds your judgement. Okay to disagree, but wishing ill like this? That shows what kind of pper you are right now. We already that from the fans of Salman Butt, Mohammad Asif and Mohammad Amir.

Because people overrate YK when they try to mention him in the leagues of Dravid,Tendulker and Sangakara who have scored in other conditions as well. If it takes bashing foreign teams in SC to get legendary batsman status than I'm sure Malik can get this status as well if he keeps playing for next 6 years as well.

With the performance of Shoaib Malik, now we know where Pakistan cricket stands on. If there is anyone who can give some competition to Cook, it is Shoaib Malik who could have easily scored 300 runs if it wasn't for multiple factors as explained before.

With the players like Misbah, Asad Shafique, Azhar Ali, we cannot dream big unfortunately.

Well, it is impossible to build partnership with Misbah. With Misbah, his partner is always put on the spot all the time. Most of his partners in the past had to play reckless shots due to Misbah hogging all the deliveries.

On the other hand, Malik makes it easier for the partner to get settled and allow the partnership to grow beautifully which proves crucial for Pakistan. What makes partnership is strike rotation and understanding between each other.

Misbah always struggled with his strike rotation, consumed a lot of balls thus putting pressure on the partner never results well.

On crease, Shoaib Malik gets along with everyone and groom youngsters very well. But with Misbah, it is opposite unfortunately.

He is genius member. That's why i was friend with him for a long time. I respected him. Lately, he had been resorting to shameless tactics making every posts of mine sounded like gay just because i back Malik. In fact, he used dirty words to describe my relationship with Shoaib Malik. I couldn't believe a respected member like him could resort to like this.

Go nut on Shoaib Malik. I have always recommended ppers to go nut on Shoaib Malik. @TheGreatKhan is a witness to that. But nooo, that's not enough for shameless pper like miandadrule who still has to resort to shameless tactics and manipulate with my words.

Almost a replica of when Malik faces a bouncer.

 

[The_KING]

some posts from last year













Some after the test

Delusion of the highest order.

 

[miandadrules]

Superb batsman. Leading run scorer of CPL again.

Shoaib Malik should be the batting role model for upcoming PAK batsman who want to learn how to play limited overs cricket correctly.

lol..

yet another 50.

Unbelievable knock by Shoaib Malik. PAK are blessed to have him/

He will make us qualify for CT.

Hope [MENTION=134250]wasimjunior[/MENTION] and [MENTION=1080]miandadrules[/MENTION] are okay after this Malik special. They were wrong about Shan and he proved them wrong, and now wrong about Malik. Keep it up guys. You are the real MVPS

#winners

People with a bit of cricketing intelligence will know and understand that Malik is a special limited overs cricketer.

Since the time Shobby made his comeback into the Pakistan side for the series against Zimbawe, his stats have been outstanding. Following are his numbers:-

Matches:10
Runs:415
Avg:69.16
50s:2
100s:1

Still people say that he does not belong at International level anymore!
P.S. Even his domestic performances during this time have been in the CPL and not in our domestic circuit where he is inarguably THE KING!

Saying it again and again but champion innings from the master Shoaib.

I have to once again acquire about many peoples health after Shoaib did well again.

Hope you are ok [MENTION=1080]miandadrules[/MENTION] and [MENTION=134250]wasimjunior[/MENTION]

#wrong

But go Malik. What a champ. Averaging 100 SR of 130

He hit you guys back with STYLEEEEEE #boss

[MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] assessment on cricket once again proven incorrect.

All countries))

I can only imagine if instead of axing Malik from captaincy,PCB had axed those trouble makers, Pakistan would have been a great side in these last 6 boring years of cricket we had.

Man of the series.

Egg on the face of [MENTION=1080]miandadrules[/MENTION] who has shown his real side. Personal bias and agendas ahead of Pakistan. Argues with everyone on the forum. Tries to impress everyone with 'technical knowledge' which he sadly does not have.

Feel sorry for him, because when great wins like today happen.. its hard for him to enjoy because of all of his personal biases.

Knew how good he is. Malik you legend. Love this guy man. Sensational cricketer.

]Malik would have won us 2011 WORLD CUP. Or at least won us that semi.[/B]

Can't wait for the day he returns

I thought I should collate these for historical reference.

What's that tune I hear?

I'd hoped it was the Hare Krishnas but it sounds like the rhyme of history.

Some classics from the self-proclaimed best eye for talent on PP.

 

[WC-Passion]

Tell me about it man. I'm thinking about putting all of them on my ignore list. So annoying.

It's fun to have a laugh at their delusional posts and then see their silly excuses to defend Malik when he fails.

 

[umer187]

Some classics from the self-proclaimed best eye for talent on PP.

I don't see anything wrong in these posts. Who proclaimed this btw?

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[The_KING]

I don't see anything wrong in these posts. Who proclaimed this btw?

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Of course you don't.

 

[Fallen King]

It's fun to have a laugh at their delusional posts and then see their silly excuses to defend Malik when he fails.

So this kind of post suggests you guys are incapable of explaining why those posts are delusional posts unless i should be pretentious and say what you wanna hear?

How about i give same liberty to Modi, Indian Army too since they too call me delusional. I guess i should say what they wanna hear like i should say the same what you guys wanna hear too.

 

[WC-Passion]

I don't see anything wrong in these posts. Who proclaimed this btw?

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I like how you don't see anything wrong with these posts but when it comes to other players you are quick to say bad about them. You're a good poster but when it comes to Malik the quality drops quite a bit.

 

[Fallen King]

Of course you don't.

Given your lack of explanation to attest why they get on your nerve. I take it being supporter of Malik is crime now.

 

[WC-Passion]

So this kind of post suggests you guys are incapable of explaining why those posts are delusional posts unless i should be pretentious and say what you wanna hear?

How about i give same liberty to Modi, Indian Army too since they too call me delusional. I guess i should say what they wanna hear like i should say the same what you guys wanna hear too.

You don't need to be a genius to see why those posts are delusional. No one other than the Malik fans have said those posts aren't delusional and if that can't say anything to you then It will be very difficult to explain it to you.

You easily have double standards for other players, are quick to blame them for Malik's failures. Oh he got bullied out of captaincy this an that etc etc. Then showing stats out of context and comparing Malik to players in the test team...

MRSN has been going so far to say that Malik would have been as good as Younis if he was picked for the UAE tours before. ) It's really pathetic.

 

[Suleiman]

What I said last year still holds true because Malik's importance to international cricket is timeless. He has done so much humanitarian work, groomed countless youngsters, and has made women's tennis more popular by marrying one of its biggest stars.

He is the most polarizing character in Pakistan cricket, yet people want him gone and instead want to vouch for meek characters like Misbah and Shafiq They say you only realize that you had a legend in your team when he's gone, you all will miss him when he's gone, yet he will still be getting all the fame and girls after retirement.

Viva la Malik

 

[miandadrules]

So this kind of post suggests you guys are incapable of explaining why those posts are delusional posts unless i should be pretentious and say what you wanna hear?

How about i give same liberty to Modi, Indian Army too since they too call me delusional. I guess i should say what they wanna hear like i should say the same what you guys wanna hear too.

Well, that makes a lot of sense.

 

[umer187]

I like how you don't see anything wrong with these posts but when it comes to other players you are quick to say bad about them. You're a good poster but when it comes to Malik the quality drops quite a bit.

Didn't see this coming from your side bro.
Only expected one person to say something like this and that was definitely not you

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[WC-Passion]

Given your lack of explanation to attest why they get on your nerve. I take it being supporter of Malik is crime now.

I've seen Malik supporters that aren't absolutely delusional. [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] used to be one until he saw the dark "secrets" of this thread.

 

[miandadrules]

Go on

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Number 1: Malik would have won us 2011 WORLD CUP. Or at least won us that semi - Bullet Drive

 

[umer187]

Number 1: Malik would have won us 2011 WORLD CUP. Or at least won us that semi - Bullet Drive

A bit over the moon. I don't believe in ifs and buts but its his opinion

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[miandadrules]

Didn't see this coming from your side bro.
Only expected one person to say something like this and that was definitely not you

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Please have the decency to address said person directly, rather than in a classless manner.

 

[umer187]

Please have the decency to address said person directly, rather than in a classless manner.

Why are u so bothered?

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[miandadrules]

A bit over the moon. I don't believe in ifs and buts but its his opinion

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A bit? - Yeah just a "bit"!

Number 2:I can only imagine if instead of axing Malik from captaincy,PCB had axed those trouble makers, Pakistan would have been a great side in these last 6 boring years of cricket we had -MRSN

 

[miandadrules]

Why are u so bothered?

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Just pointing out the cowardice.

 

[umer187]

A bit? - Yeah just a "bit"!

Number 2:I can only imagine if instead of axing Malik from captaincy,PCB had axed those trouble makers, Pakistan would have been a great side in these last 6 boring years of cricket we had -MRSN

Again the ifs and buts thing but this is probably true

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[miandadrules]

Again the ifs and buts thing but this is probably true

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I rest my case.

 

[umer187]

Just pointing out the cowardice.

I don't want to start any thing personal. Why do u have a problem?

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[umer187]

I rest my case.

Good

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[WC-Passion]

Didn't see this coming from your side bro.
Only expected one person to say something like this and that was definitely not you

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It's true though. I like your posts and they are very neutral but when it comes to Malik you put him ahead of everyone.

I see you utterly hate other players e.g Umar Akmal even when dis-proven you go quiet. I remember that discussion about T20 Blast and the FC season...

 

[miandadrules]

I don't want to start any thing personal. Why do u have a problem?

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If you're so concerned about not saying anything personal why allude to it?

Why are you taking a sly passive aggressive approach? If you have anything to say, say it to the person directly.

 

[umer187]

If you're so concerned about not saying anything personal why allude to it?

Why are you taking a sly passive aggressive approach? If you have anything to say, say it to the person directly.

Completely my choice

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[umer187]

It's true though. I like your posts and they are very neutral but when it comes to Malik you put him ahead of everyone.

I see you utterly hate other players e.g Umar Akmal even when dis-proven you go quiet. I remember that discussion about T20 Blast and the FC season...

Have u confirmed the dates? I didn't get the time to do it

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[miandadrules]

Good

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Currently Umer187 believes:

1. We probably would have won 2011 WC if Malik played

2. If Malik wasn't removed from captaincy, Pakistan would have been a great side in the last 6 years.

Number 3:Shoaib Malik should be the batting role model for upcoming PAK batsman who want to learn how to play limited overs cricket correctly - Bullet Drive

 

[Fallen King]

It's true though. I like your posts and they are very neutral but when it comes to Malik you put him ahead of everyone.

I see you utterly hate other players e.g Umar Akmal even when dis-proven you go quiet. I remember that discussion about T20 Blast and the FC season...

Nothing wrong with not being neutral. Neutrality is only needed in government levels.

If there was neutrality in this thread, then this thread wouldn't have reached to this page thank to non-neutral haters. Malik supporters have little contribution in this thread barring Black Zero.

 

[WC-Passion]

Have u confirmed the dates? I didn't get the time to do it

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I think it was a poster called [MENTION=136113]Barragan[/MENTION] who posted it and then that thread went to the deep end.

 

[miandadrules]

Completely my choice

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My choice to point it out too.

 

[WC-Passion]

There is no such thing as neutrality no matter how we try. Nothing wrong with not being neutral. Neutrality only works in government levels, and that ends there.

If there was neutrality in this thread, then this thread wouldn't have reached to this page thank to non-neutral haters. Malik supporters have little contribution in this thread barring Black Zero.

You are giving little credit to yourself.

 

[WC-Passion]

Nothing wrong with not being neutral. Neutrality is only needed in government levels.

If there was neutrality in this thread, then this thread wouldn't have reached to this page thank to non-neutral haters. Malik supporters have little contribution in this thread barring Black Zero.

Also I like how you blame me on getting into others conversations and then try and go against a post that was towards [MENTION=137988]umer187[/MENTION] and I clearly showed that by quoting his posts.

 

[Fallen King]

Also I like how you blame me on getting into others conversations and then try and go against a post that was towards [MENTION=137988]umer187[/MENTION] and I clearly showed that by quoting his posts.

I don't know about you. This thread is the testament of Malik haters. If it wasn't for them, this thread wouldn't have reached to 144 pages if we take out the number of Black Zero posts.

 

[umer187]

My choice to point it out too.

Never said u were wrong

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[Fallen King]

You are giving little credit to yourself.

You might be surprised to find out that i had little contribution in this thread. Black Zero didn't need my help before. He was genuine. Now he is gone at at time like this.

 

[umer187]

I think it was a poster called [MENTION=136113]Barragan[/MENTION] who posted it and then that thread went to the deep end.

Can u pls check the dates and confirm it yourself?

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[miandadrules]

Never said u were wrong

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Never asked for your approval.

I just asked why you were taking a cowardly approach and you've answered it by saying it is your choice to act in such a manner.

 

[Anfield]

Selecting him was the worst thing happened to our team in past 5 years.

 

[WC-Passion]

You might be surprised to find out that i had little contribution in this thread. Black Zero didn't need my help before. He was genuine. Now he is gone at at time like this.

I remember as a lurker. That guys was something else.

I don't know about you. This thread is the testament of Malik haters. If it wasn't for them, this thread wouldn't have reached to 144 pages if we take out the number of Black Zero posts.

Funny as it's called "The Malik Support Thread".

 

[Barragan]

I think it was a poster called [MENTION=136113]Barragan[/MENTION] who posted it and then that thread went to the deep end.

Judging by the conversation I guess this is in relation to Akmal's T20 blast signing.

The thread is still up and the post:
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...y-the-Natwest-T20-Blast&p=8024901#post8024901

 

[umer187]

It's true though. I like your posts and they are very neutral but when it comes to Malik you put him ahead of everyone.

I see you utterly hate other players e.g Umar Akmal even when dis-proven you go quiet. I remember that discussion about T20 Blast and the FC season...

Are u neutral when we are talking about Umar akmal?

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[WC-Passion]

Can u pls check the dates and confirm it yourself?

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07-12-2015 is the last match scheduled for FC:

http://www.pcb.com.pk/tournament-re...ent_matches&tournament_id=1057&_no_redirect=1

Saturday 29 August 2015 was the last date for a match to happen in the T20 Blast this year.

http://www.ecb.co.uk/stats/fixtures-results?c=1507&y=2015

 

[Fallen King]

I remember as a lurker. That guys was something else.



Funny as it's called "The Malik Support Thread".

I know. He was genius. Why do you think i wasn't active in this thread before? It was exhausting dealing with endless haters and i don't know how BlackZero managed to stuck around for so long. Also, that explain why BlackZero left. It is kind of exhausting for minority club to deal with endless haters.

 

[umer187]

07-12-2015 is the last match scheduled for FC:

http://www.pcb.com.pk/tournament-re...ent_matches&tournament_id=1057&_no_redirect=1

Saturday 29 August 2015 was the last date for a match to happen in the T20 Blast this year.

http://www.ecb.co.uk/stats/fixtures-results?c=1507&y=2015

Ok then. My bad. Sorry

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[miandadrules]

Are u neutral when we are talking about Umar akmal?

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Shifting of goal posts?

 

[umer187]

Shifting of goal posts?

Nope. He criticized me for not being neutral when there is a discussion about Malik. I am asking him a similar question

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[WC-Passion]

Are u neutral when we are talking about Umar akmal?

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Yes, I've said that he will most likely not do very well in the upcoming FC season when talking to [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] about his spot in the test team and A team.

 

[WC-Passion]

I know. He was genius. Why do you think i wasn't active in this thread before? It was exhausting dealing with endless haters and i don't know how BlackZero managed to stuck around for so long. Also, that explain why BlackZero left. It is kind of exhausting for minority club to deal with endless haters.

Seriously. He must be the Bradman of the Malik fan club.

 

[miandadrules]

Nope. He criticized me for not being neutral when there is a discussion about Malik. I am asking him a similar question

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Of course you didn't shift the goal posts once the other thread was posted.

How could anyone question your probity.

 

[umer187]

Yes, I've said that he will most likely not do very well in the upcoming FC season when talking to [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] about his spot in the test team and A team.

So? I have also said that Malik might not do very well at no 3 in English conditions

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[WC-Passion]

Judging by the conversation I guess this is in relation to Akmal's T20 blast signing.

The thread is still up and the post:
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...y-the-Natwest-T20-Blast&p=8024901#post8024901

Thanks.
[MENTION=137988]umer187[/MENTION]

Not true, our domestic FC season tends run till late December (the later matches being semi's and final), whilst the Natwest blast starts around mid-May.

A good 5 month gap between our FC season and Natwest T20 blast.
- See more at: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...y-the-Natwest-T20-Blast&p=8024901#post8024901

 

[miandadrules]

So? I have also said that Malik might not do very well at no 3 in English conditions

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Most likely and might not at 3 are hardly the same.

 

[Fallen King]

Seriously. He must be the Bradman of the Malik fan club.

He was. He gave some competition to W64LWEVeR on stats, graphs, and God knows what. To the extent, he may have went too far with the episode of Don Bradman.

 

[umer187]

Thanks.
[MENTION=137988]umer187[/MENTION]

I have already accepted my mistake

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[WC-Passion]

So? I have also said that Malik might not do very well at no 3 in English conditions

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I've answered your question. What do you expect me to say?

I remember when you were backing Malik to get in the test team even though he had like an average of 60 with the ball and an average of 33 with the bat.

I never backed Umar to get in the test team even though he has an average of 40+ with 10 FC hundreds and has a excellent record for an Asian batsmen away from home in tests. I'm no [MENTION=57576]MRSN[/MENTION].

 

[umer187]

I've answered your question. What do you expect me to say?

I remember when you were backing Malik to get in the test team even though he had like an average of 60 with the ball and an average of 33 with the bat.

I never backed Umar to get in the test team even though he has an average of 40+ with 10 FC hundreds and has a excellent record for an Asian batsmen away from home in tests. I'm no [MENTION=57576]MRSN[/MENTION].

He did well on his comeback. Didn't he?
Should have done much better in the next matches too

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