Shoaib Malik Support & Performance Watch

Should Malik be in the plans for the 2019 WC?


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He did well on his comeback. Didn't he?
Should have done much better in the next matches too

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Malik still has final test to prove his worth once again. Let's hope he does well. I still believe he can do well down the order on the tour of England next year if rumor of retirement for Misbah at the end of the series is confirmed. :)
 
Malik still has final test to prove his worth once again. Let's hope he does well. I still believe he can do well down the order on the tour of England next year if rumor of retirement for Misbah at the end of the series is confirmed. :)
He will iA

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He is busy man. I remember him mentioning about being Dad. He is married man, and Dad too. Dealing with endless haters is not worth his time especially with how time-consuming expanding family can be. :)

That's one way to end your "legacy" I guess.
 
Malik still has final test to prove his worth once again. Let's hope he does well. I still believe he can do well down the order on the tour of England next year if rumor of retirement for Misbah at the end of the series is confirmed. :)

We need a proper, batsman to replace Misbah...not a bits & pieces cricketer..Malik is hardly an ideal replacement.
 
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You are right. We need proper batsman like Misbah. Thank for the laugh. Thank God. I badly needed this. :)) :))

i.e, a batsman in the calibre of Misbah...not a bits & pieces cricketer that is Malik.

Why are you so excited?
 
Well the senior players didn't gang up against Misbah to remove him from the captaincy like this did against poor Malik so it's hard for Malik fans to rate any one other Malik.

According to [MENTION=57576]MRSN[/MENTION] Misbah put Malik in at three so that he fails. Conspiracy you see.
 
Another Malik fan who doesn't rate Misbah? :facepalm:

I rate Misbah highly. I have been backing him since 2007. But despite of being integral part of the team for so long, he is not still proper batsman due to many factors. That's why he is proven failure in overseas for Test format. But in UAE, he can thrive like Mohammad Hafeez. Heck, even Shoaib Malik scored 245 runs in UAE for fun. :jf

Regarding the concept of proper batsman, Mohammad Yousuf was the last proper batsman to have played for Pakistan team.
 
According to [MENTION=57576]MRSN[/MENTION] Misbah put Malik in at three so that he fails. Conspiracy you see.

In the past that is how many former captains conspired to set players to fail. Despite of MRSN being conspiracy theory, but knowing the history of Pakistan cricket, we cannot rule him out yet. :|
 
Another Malik fan who doesn't rate Misbah? :facepalm:
Even I don't get the hate misbah sometimes gets from Malik fans. I personally rate misbah very highly and he has been doing exceptionally well

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Well the senior players didn't gang up against Misbah to remove him from the captaincy like this did against poor Malik so it's hard for Malik fans to rate any one other Malik.

I blame [MENTION=57576]MRSN[/MENTION] for this flame war between Malik Umar and Misbah fans.
 
Even I don't get the hate misbah sometimes gets from Malik fans. I personally rate misbah very highly and he has been doing exceptionally well

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Think it's due to fans like [MENTION=57576]MRSN[/MENTION] who like to create fires between fanbases
 
I rate Misbah highly. I have been backing him since 2007. But despite of being integral part of the team for so long, he is not still proper batsman due to many factors. That's why he is proven failure in overseas for Test format. But in UAE, he can thrive like Mohammad Hafeez. Heck, even Shoaib Malik scored 245 runs in UAE for fun. :jf

Regarding the concept of proper batsman, Mohammad Yousuf was the last proper batsman to have played for Pakistan team.

To be fair SA is the only place Malik may be better than Midbah but there is too many factors to say that he is. For example the pitch and bowling attack come into play.
 
To be fair SA is the only place Malik may be better than Midbah but there is too many factors to say that he is. For example the pitch and bowling attack come into play.

According to Robert, next year England might go with flat bounce knowing the thin resource of Pakistan bowling attack this time. Flat bounce is perfect for Malik. I should be fairly optimistic this time. :)
 
According to Robert, next year England might go with flat bounce knowing the thin resource of Pakistan bowling attack this time. Flat bounce is perfect for Malik. I should be fairly optimistic this time. :)

As long as there is no swing he should be good if what you are saying is true. I'm still not convinced but I would love to have Malik prove me wrong. I don't celebrate failures of certain players, I just want what's best for the team. ����
 
According to Robert, next year England might go with flat bounce knowing the thin resource of Pakistan bowling attack this time. Flat bounce is perfect for Malik. I should be fairly optimistic this time. :)

Pitches in 2013 Champains Trophy were the flatest. What did Malik average there?

He should only play T20s in near future, his skills are already dying, will be a disaster in swinging/pacy conditions
 
As long as there is no swing he should be good if what you are saying is true. I'm still not convinced but I would love to have Malik prove me wrong. I don't celebrate failures of certain players, I just want what's best for the team. ����

If the rumor of Misbah retirement in Test format is confirmed at the end of the series, then we have no choice but to go with experienced middle-order batsman. Plus more exposure on England condition can help him for the limited formats against England which is win-win for Pakistan. :)
 
If the rumor of Misbah retirement in Test format is confirmed at the end of the series, then we have no choice but to go with experienced middle-order batsman. Plus more exposure on England condition can help him for the limited formats against England which is win-win for Pakistan. :)

I hope he doesn't retire as poor Azhar will basically be in a situation where he's been thrown in a lions cage.
 
Pitches in 2013 Champains Trophy were the flatest. What did Malik average there?

He should only play T20s in near future, his skills are already dying, will be a disaster in swinging/pacy conditions

If you wanna talk about past? Go back to 2013 and then debate with 2013-me through third-to-fifth dimensional phase. Until then, let's stick to the present, shall we? There is the reason why the future is unknown. Just because something happened in the past that doesn't mean the future will be same. :jf
 
I hope he doesn't retire as poor Azhar will basically be in a situation where he's been thrown in a lions cage.

I don't mind his retirement. His retirement at the end of the series will buy more time for Pakistan to be prepared for the next year. Sooner or later, he is bound to retire. Why not now and start prepping right away? :)
 
Pitches in 2013 Champains Trophy were the flatest. What did Malik average there?

He should only play T20s in near future, his skills are already dying, will be a disaster in swinging/pacy conditions

83.30

He was the player of the tournament.
 
As long as there is no swing he should be good if what you are saying is true. I'm still not convinced but I would love to have Malik prove me wrong. I don't celebrate failures of certain players, I just want what's best for the team. ����

It won't be flatter than UAE, so there is an indicator as to how things might go.
 
Will probably win the ICC cricketer of the year, has been on a roll ever since his international comeback.
 
Malik is mediocrity personified. That fluke 245 on a road after being dismissed for 40 will haunt the team in the long run.

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Malik has been more than willing to in cash all that was good about his knock.
Taking in praises from all 4 corners of Pakistan. From WasimAkram, to Geoff Boycott to Shahista Lodhi to Mehreen Syed.

But it seems the PR train has finally crashed and the reality is settling in with Malik and his followers.

He won't be buying the stairway to heaven anymore.
 
I don't mind his retirement. His retirement at the end of the series will buy more time for Pakistan to be prepared for the next year. Sooner or later, he is bound to retire. Why not now and start prepping right away? :)

Azhar will be in a bad situation and he supposed to be our next test captain. It's not all about Malik you know.
 
Like I said I'm not convinced and personally don't see him scoring runs.

He will have a "some" success in ODIs and T20s depending on who we will play against, the type of summer we have and where he bats.

If it's a long hot summer, he may play a decent knock in late August and early September, which the Hare Krishnas will use as vindication. Also I'm sure we will have a few games against Ireland and Scotland.

However, if they play him as a central figure than he is guaranteed to fail.
 
He did well on his comeback. Didn't he?
Should have done much better in the next matches too

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Just because he did well in 1/4 innings doesn't mean that he deserved to make a comeback in the first place.
 
Malik is better than YK forget Misbah. He is more likely to score 36 every time he goes out to bat than YK.

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ofcourse he is.

As some people a couple of pages ago suggested that if Malik had been playing in UAE like YK for last 5 years he would have padded up his stats and ended up with a better record than YK.

Seriously though. I have only been following this thread for the past week and earlier may have suggested that Im a Malik fan but clearly dont hold a candle to some of these Hare Krishnas. This is the problem I have. How can anyone in their right minds sincerel believe that Malik would have averaged near 55 in Test cricket if he had been playing in home tests for last 5 years. Like HOW?? Some real gems quoted in the last page to keep track
 
ofcourse he is.

As some people a couple of pages ago suggested that if Malik had been playing in UAE like YK for last 5 years he would have padded up his stats and ended up with a better record than YK.

Seriously though. I have only been following this thread for the past week and earlier may have suggested that Im a Malik fan but clearly dont hold a candle to some of these Hare Krishnas. This is the problem I have. How can anyone in their right minds sincerel believe that Malik would have averaged near 55 in Test cricket if he had been playing in home tests for last 5 years. Like HOW?? Some real gems quoted in the last page to keep track

Slight correction. The claim was that if Malik played in UAE for the past 5 years he would have achieved ATG status and be talked about in the same breath as Tendulkar and Sangakara.
 
These 2 posts are worth their weight in gold

Well played. Nothing wrong in getting dismissed for duck after having much needed scored 245 runs. Good practice for other batsmen just before the second test. One thing i have learned that Shoaib Malik only performs when the team needs him. Better to save some energy for second test since his job is done for the first test. Now the rest of them should chip in as possible for the 1st team. Shoaib Malik is not the only one getting paid for the team. - S
I don't see how summoning me through MENTION is going to help here. I still stand by what i said about Shoaib Malik. * Played first test after five years. * Already performed almost Pakistan-top scorer against England in Test format. * Saved us in the first entire test single-handedly at the absent of Yasir Shah. * Proved that he can draw/win single-handedly in Test format. * Already proven a lot better than Zulfiqar Baber despite of being part-timer. * Was ready to assumed the responsibility of one-down position to cover Azhar Ali despite of presence of Asad Shafique and so-called world-class batsman, Younus Khan. In first two test combined so far, he still averages 63.50 and is in the top four of Pakistani batting line in term of highest average. Also, average more than Hafeez who cannot even bowl anymore. Target the ones that averages lower than Shoaib Malik. If Shoaib Malik is piece of crap, then what does that say about others averaging lower than Malik? -
 
Quote from the master-class that is [MENTION=42489]Black Zero[/MENTION]:

For gazillionith time, I am not against Afridi/YK/MoYo/Razzaq/Azhar/Asad etc. but I rate these players below SM based on merit. .... I prayed that YK just go fishing in Arabian sea, so both Asad and SM play and ppers know the difference.
 
All things considered. Who is the better batsman. Malik or Misbah?

Misbah for Test format. Malik for limited formats. My points still stand on Misbah not qualified to play modern game in modern era due to his lack of strike rotation, his inability to play long inning and mentally weak knowing his choking situation.

In Test, Misbah by long shot. Malik is playing in Test format after roughly five years without practice. If anything, you guys are doing comparatively analysis. I have never meant to do comparatively analysis. But there is recent thread i created that focus on the top three ranking of Pakistan-England series in most runs and average.
 
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Azhar will be in a bad situation and he supposed to be our next test captain. It's not all about Malik you know.

Azhar Ali is not a kid anymore. he is 30 years old for God's sake. If he cannot handle the job that has been assigned to him, he is not man for the job. Misbah is not gonna be playing forever. It is not about what i want anymore. The rumor of retirement for Test format at the end might turn out to be the true like the last time [ODI WC 2015]. Good thing they have been prepping Azhar Ali for a while.
 
Azhar Ali is not a kid anymore. he is 30 years old for God's sake. If he cannot handle the job that has been assigned to him, he is not man for the job. Misbah is not gonna be playing forever. It is not about what i want anymore. The rumor of retirement for Test format at the end might turn out to be the true like the last time [ODI WC 2015]. Good thing they have been prepping Azhar Ali for a while.

You've seen what happened when captains are rushed in away/neutral vs England and Australia 2010. It got real ugly.
 
You've seen what happened when captains are rushed in away/neutral vs England and Australia 2010. It got real ugly.

Yes. It is futile for me to comment on certain things that are not going to influence PCB whatsoever. That being said, the absent of Misbah cannot be the worse thing in the world. Pakistan did move on well in limited formats at the absent of Misbah in this year, and Pakistan will do similar well in the next year at the absent of Misbah, God Willing.

The reason i am being aggressive about this because of the rumor of retirement. Quite frankly, it is at the right time which means more time of preparation for Pakistan and its new skipper.
 
3rd best player of 4th innings in the world


After discussing Malik's career path and his performance against new ball.

It's ripe time to bring some of Malik's hidden qualities to fore.

When compared 4th innings average of all the players ever played tests (at least 10 4th innings), Malik is 3rd highest in the world.

obviously he is the highest 4th innings averaged player for Pakistan.

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Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave 100 50 0
B Mitchell (SA) 1929-1949 12 12 5 629 189* 89.85 1 4 0
JB Stollmeyer (WI) 1939-1953 10 10 4 518 104* 86.33 2 3 0
Shoaib Malik (Pak) 2003-2010 12 10 5 392 148* 78.40 1 2 1
PJP Burge (Aus) 1955-1964 15 10 6 306 53 76.50 0 2 0
DG Bradman (Aus) 1928-1948 18 15 5 734 173* 73.40 3 4 3


http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine...ualval1=innings;template=results;type=batting

Another reason to support Malik!

As disturbance is cleared, let me re quote.

Scoring big in 4th inning of the match is a great test for a test batsman's character.

So many greats failed to pass this test, for various reasons (un even bounce, double/triple speed pitch, condition of pitch, more turn, fatigue and pressure).

Only the physically strongest and mentally toughest are able to perform well consistently in 4th innings.

Here are some stats for 4th innings:

Shoaib Malik is 3rd best player of 4th innings in the world


When compared 4th innings average of all the players ever played tests (at least 10 4th innings), Malik is 3rd highest in the world.

obviously he is the highest 4th innings averaged player for Pakistan.


Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave 100 50 0
B Mitchell (SA) 1929-1949 12 12 5 629 189* 89.85 1 4 0
JB Stollmeyer (WI) 1939-1953 10 10 4 518 104* 86.33 2 3 0
Shoaib Malik (Pak) 2003-2010 12 10 5 392 148* 78.40 1 2 1
PJP Burge (Aus) 1955-1964 15 10 6 306 53 76.50 0 2 0
DG Bradman (Aus) 1928-1948 18 15 5 734 173* 73.40 3 4 3

http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine...ualval1=innings;template=results;type=batting

As promised I am back after Asia Cup.

I hope you still remember the first dataset when we established that Malik has the exact same test career path as of YK.

I will provide series of data set, the first one is to counter the Myth of Malik's vulnerability against new ball.


Malik's vulnerability against new ball


When I compared ALL the OPENERS ever played for Pakistan with Shoaib Malik. (qualification at least 5 tests as opener)

Malik averages higher than:

Hanif Muhammad
Shoaib Muhammad
Toufeeq Umer
Mohsin Khan
Majid Khan
Nazar Muhammad
Salman Butt
Farhat
Muddasar Nazir
Aamer Sohail
Sadiq Muhammad
Rameez
&
Ijaz butt


Infact, Malik averages higher than everybody else except Saeed Anwar and Tasleem Arif.

Malik's tests include against WI, Eng, SL, Ind.

[http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine...;size=10;team=7;template=results;type=batting

Thanks

I still can't believe this statement :)))

Here are a few more.
 
Yes. It is futile for me to comment on certain things that are not going to influence PCB whatsoever. That being said, the absent of Misbah cannot be the worse thing in the world. Pakistan did move on well in limited formats at the absent of Misbah in this year, and Pakistan will do similar well in the next year at the absent of Misbah, God Willing.

The reason i am being aggressive about this because of the rumor of retirement. Quite frankly, it is at the right time which means more time of preparation for Pakistan and its new skipper.

Well we were in Asia and had not too much dark history against Bangladesh. With tests we have a bit of a dark history with England after 2010 and the media will be there to attack etc. I think if it was a home series or a series against Aus or NZ it would be better. Relying on Younis is just a really bad plan.
 
Well we were in Asia and had not too much dark history against Bangladesh. With tests we have a bit of a dark history with England after 2010 and the media will be there to attack etc. I think if it was a home series or a series against Aus or NZ it would be better. Relying on Younis is just a really bad plan.

I understand that. Knowing the history of Pakistan cricket, uncertainty and not-in-confident-type-of-way is good for Pakistan because that will keep Pakistan at edge.

The last time Pakistan played England after comeback in second Test against Australia equaling 1-1 series at the end got overconfident and underestimated England due to the present of Amir, Asif and Ajmal.

Not playing Misbah means Pakistan will be at the edge, that means good which Pakistan will have to work extremely hard especially for Azhar Ali who had been brought out of his best unexpectedly with the captaincy thrown in last min and leading the team without Misbah for almost the whole year.

Pakistan doesn't have chance to win the series in England, but with Pakistan being kept at edge, we might be in for surprise.
 
I understand that. Knowing the history of Pakistan cricket, uncertainty and not-in-confident-type-of-way is good for Pakistan because that will keep Pakistan at edge.

The last time Pakistan played England after comeback in second Test against Australia equaling 1-1 series at the end got overconfident and underestimated England due to the present of Amir, Asif and Ajmal.

Not playing Misbah means Pakistan will be at the edge, that means good which Pakistan will have to work extremely hard especially for Azhar Ali who had been brought out of his best unexpectedly with the captaincy thrown in last min and leading the team without Misbah for almost the whole year.

Pakistan doesn't have chance to win the series in England, but with Pakistan being kept at edge, we might be in for surprise.

True but it's very risky.
 
After doing comparatively analysis of Malik life and my life, we do live in parallel world in a way.

Shoaib Malik:

After spot fixing in 2010, Malik real problem got started.
In five years, the character assassination against Malik was just tip of the icerberg.
Took him to get back on the track, finally enjoying the form of life right now.

Me:

Majority of clubs joined together to start attacking me on forums.
In five years, the character assassination against me was tip the iceberg [not referring to Azad March thread]
Took me more than five years to process the endured treatment of internet life and real life, and now in fine prime of life.


That is goose bump alright. :sanga
 
After doing comparatively analysis of Malik life and my life, we do live in parallel world in a way.

Shoaib Malik:

After spot fixing in 2010, Malik real problem got started.
In five years, the character assassination against Malik was just tip of the icerberg.
Took him to get back on the track, finally enjoying the form of life right now.

Me:

Majority of clubs joined together to start attacking me on forums.
In five years, the character assassination against me was tip the iceberg [not referring to Azad March thread]
Took me more than five years to process the endured treatment of internet life and real life, and now in fine prime of life.


That is goose bump alright. :sanga

This thread needs to be converted into a movie :snack:
 
When is the third Test?

As I predicted for the 1st Test that Don :malik will score a double, I'm predicting at least a ton again for the 3rd test.

I'm not sure why people take it as sarcasm, because it isn't.
 
Too damn long for a movie. Should be made into a 20 season TV show that is given a rating of TV-Don't Waste Your Time.

Lol haters. Hollywood are already interestedin making a film about the legend. I hear Ryan gosling is starring.
 
When is the third Test?

As I predicted for the 1st Test that Don :malik will score a double, I'm predicting at least a ton again for the 3rd test.

I'm not sure why people take it as sarcasm, because it isn't.

well, to be honest that seems to be a risky point, i think if he is played again, he'll play at no.6
 
Lol haters. Hollywood are already interestedin making a film about the legend. I hear Ryan gosling is starring.

Not quite true.

Gosling is campaigning for the role but it seems that the Coen Brothers are insisting that Malik play himself in the biopic.

Oscars here we come!
 
Not quite true.

Gosling is campaigning for the role but it seems that the Coen Brothers are insisting that Malik play himself in the biopic.

Oscars here we come!

That's great news. I can't wait to pay for this. Is it true that judi Dench is also signed up??
 
Malik should play the 3rd test so he can score two of the most beautiful, elegant ducks that Hanif Muhammad could never have scored
 
Malik knows tomorrow is his last chance and will make it count. He is the ultimate opportunist, and will play a very high risk high reward innings tomorrow. You may see him out on 15 tomorrow or see him at 115 at a SR of 82. One thing he doesn't do is hang around and wait things for happen, he takes charge and MAKES things happen. How else would he land a world class women's tennis star for a wife, women like men who take charge, FACT.
 
Malik knows tomorrow is his last chance and will make it count. He is the ultimate opportunist, and will play a very high risk high reward innings tomorrow. You may see him out on 15 tomorrow or see him at 115 at a SR of 82. One thing he doesn't do is hang around and wait things for happen, he takes charge and MAKES things happen. How else would he land a world class women's tennis star for a wife, women like men who take charge, FACT.

Dude you're killing me. :))
 
Rumour has it that she is going to play the role of PPP politician.

That cracked me up so bad.
Your malik trolling is next level
U should change your username to sir miandadrules just for that.

By the way, for a doctor u sure hv a lot of time to watch films, dont u?
 
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