Shoaib Malik Support & Performance Watch

[waleed88]

Typical one performance per series... goes missing in the rest of the game

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Shobby continues to impress.

 

[liquidice]

Typical one performance per series... goes missing in the rest of the game

for your sake i hope he fails in the third odi

 

[liquidice]

Time for the haters to burn again :AAG

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

He is king in the subcontinent.

Never understood why people opposed his selection in Asia. He is a master in these conditions. He should have played against Bangla in 2015 where spinners annihilated our limited overs side.

 

[liquidice]

Another point to note here is that arthur realized very early that malik cannot be utilized as a slogger in the lower order and his strength is the middle order. he takes time to get going and can play a long innings and build partnerships. he struggled down the order in the first 4 odis in england before he got promoted in the 5th and played a top knock.

arthur has been very sharp in identifying these intricate details. promoting shafiq in tests, making babar number 3 in odis and t20s and now promoting malik as well. waqar lacked all these qualities.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Another point to note here is that arthur realized very early that malik cannot be utilized as a slogger in the lower order and his strength is the middle order. he takes time to get going and can play a long innings and build partnerships. he struggled down the order in the first 4 odis in england before he got promoted in the 5th and played a top knock.

arthur has been very sharp in identifying these intricate details. promoting shafiq in tests, making babar number 3 in odis and t20s and now promoting malik as well. waqar lacked all these qualities.

To be honest that's not rocket science. Malik should never have been played at 6 as he lacks that firepower against pace bowling. The reason he played at 4/5 under Waqar since his come back. Malik has been on fire since his come back except that period Mickey put him at 6.

But I am very happy with Mickey. He is the coach we needed, the ideal hard task master for Pakistan.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Unstoppable force of nature. Well played.

 

[super hitter]

today was a classic knock....I don't know how often have we been visiting this thread since his comeback.

 

[waleed88]

for your sake i hope he fails in the third odi

That has been the trend in his performance since 2015 England series..

 

[shaz619]

The Don averaging almost 60 since 2015

 

[waleed88]

for your sake i hope he fails in the third odi

What did I tell you? [MENTION=139295]liquidice[/MENTION]

 

[waleed88]

Shoaib Malik gets a free pass in the side for performing in one game per series since England 2015, however when Azhar does it then it becomes a 'dead rubber'

 

[super hitter]

Shoaib Malik gets a free pass in the side for performing in one game per series since England 2015, however when Azhar does it then it becomes a 'dead rubber'

lol, wasn't it a dead rubber???

Azhar also performed in one game in the series, didn't he???

I'm up to criticize his bad performances but some people are here for nothing but hate.

 

[waleed88]

lol, wasn't it a dead rubber???

Azhar also performed in one game in the series, didn't he???

I'm up to criticize his bad performances but some people are here for nothing but hate.

Well not really, Azhar did well against England, whereas Malik traditionally has been playing only in dead rubbers since 2015 England in UAE..

Malik's one performance per series has been a continuous trend since England 2015.. yet he is in the side

 

[super hitter]

Well not really, Azhar did well against England, whereas Malik traditionally has been playing only in dead rubbers since 2015 England in UAE..

Malik's one performance per series has been a continuous trend since England 2015.. yet he is in the side

well I guess when given the chance at no.4, he proved it! he is not a lower order hitter.

His 90 was better then Azhar's 100 and I'm sure you wan't argue their.

Overall, his performance has been way better and far more 'affective' then Azhar.

 

[waleed88]

well I guess when given the chance at no.4, he proved it! he is not a lower order hitter.

His 90 was better then Azhar's 100 and I'm sure you wan't argue their.

Overall, his performance has been way better and far more 'affective' then Azhar.

I disagree, Malik's knock's effectiveness can be measured from the fact that he is an absolute beast at bashing spinners, his taking apart of Suleiman Benn and the English newbie Dawson are proof of his prowess, but he will always struggle against genuine pace bowling, and after Azhar's exploits in England I am very optimistic of having Azhar in the team than someone like Malik who is a sitting duck in foreign conditions, especially against express bowling.. which will definitely be the case in Australia.

Regardless of what our opinions are both have secured their place in the side by giving similar-ish performances, and are not going out of the team anytime soon

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Bowled really well today. Against a couple of tailenders though it has to be said

 

[wicketpace]

Bowled really well today. Against a couple of tailenders though it has to be said

....So the openers were tailenders? Kraige Braith., Samule, Bravo are the ones he bowled to...

 

[New Yorker]

The Don averaging almost 60 since 2015

Any sense of how that compares to others who have played alongside him? The opposition has been quite...modest for much of this time. Hafeez, and at first Azhar, have also looked formidable in the past two years.

 

[shaz619]

Any sense of how that compares to others who have played alongside him? The opposition has been quite...modest for much of this time. Hafeez, and at first Azhar, have also looked formidable in the past two years.

Maybe, but the runs don't score themselves and he doesn't deserve to get dropped for now.

 

[Suleiman]

One failure with bat and usual suspects out in full force.

Incredible bowling today. Looked like the Saqlain replica of '03.

 

[New Yorker]

Maybe, but the runs don't score themselves and he doesn't deserve to get dropped for now.

Completely irrelevant what he deserves. The only question selectors need ask is whether it is better for the team to play someone else in his place. And there are some interesting contenders waiting in the wings.

 

[shaz619]

Completely irrelevant what he deserves. The only question selectors need ask is whether it is better for the team to play someone else in his place. And there are some interesting contenders waiting in the wings.

It is relevant, if he was failing then he'd deserve to be dropped and the interesting contenders waiting in the wings could get a look

 

[MMHS]

Is it true that Mian was the Man of The Series? Looks like Sislkotia has his lobby among the sponsors as well.

 

[shaz619]

Is it true that Mian was the Man of The Series? Looks like Sislkotia has his lobby among the sponsors as well.

No, Babar Azam was man of the series. Malik was given the best A/R of the series award

 

[marlonbrowndo]

....So the openers were tailenders? Kraige Braith., Samule, Bravo are the ones he bowled to...

I didn't mean literally and I was praising him...

 

[New Yorker]

It is relevant, if he was failing then he'd deserve to be dropped and the interesting contenders waiting in the wings could get a look

No, he does not have to fail to be replaced, he has to be less good than the next comer.

 

[shaz619]

No, he does not have to fail to be replaced, he has to be less good than the next comer.

That's nonsensical, he'd have to fail for the selectors to consider other options

 

[New Yorker]

The team that wants to the best aims for excellence, the team that wants to bumble along aims for non-failure. The full 16 man complement of players that accompanies any tourney always includes those who don't get to
play but who are not for that matter not seen as failures. It's merely the case that other players are considered
better than them, and/or perhaps better suited to certain kinds of conditions. There are lots of reasons to move
on from Malik and I think they have long outweighed his claims to his spot.

 

[shaz619]

So long Malik continues to perform the selectors will not entertain the idea of option x, y and z. The logic they go by involves what the player is contributing to the team in this moment in time and not what they did in the past.

 

[FreakCricket]

One failure with bat and usual suspects out in full force.

Incredible bowling today. Looked like the Saqlain replica of '03.

was blatantly chucking

 

[Black Zero]

Good show by Malik

Played 7 out of total 9 matches,
Not out once, three 50s

We expect similar performance in Australia.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Good show by Malik

Played 7 out of total 9 matches,
Not out once, three 50s

We expect similar performance in Australia.

And all 3 x 50s were 90s scored at a good strike rate. He's clearly in good form.

 

[Markhor]

Good show by Malik

Played 7 out of total 9 matches,
Not out once, three 50s

We expect similar performance in Australia.

Let's hope Malik improves on his colossal average of 24 in ODIs in Australia at a SR of 64.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Malik should hope none of Stanlake or Cummins play otherwise 92mph Bouncers and Malik won't be able to cope as usual.

 

[Ellipsism]

Malik should hope none of Stanlake or Cummins play otherwise 92mph Bouncers and Malik won't be able to cope as usual.

Stanlake won't play...

 

[Black Zero]

Malik should hope none of Stanlake or Cummins play otherwise 92mph Bouncers and Malik won't be able to cope as usual.

Only match that we won in England was due to malik and sarfraz.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Only match that we won in England was due to malik and sarfraz.

I haven't denied it.

 

[Black Zero]

Let's hope Malik improves on his colossal average of 24 in ODIs in Australia at a SR of 64.

He played at 6 and down in 6 out of 9 games, so I will take 24 gladly.
As now he is playing at 4, so hopefully he will avg around 40 in this series.

 

[Asim2Good]

he should retired soon from ODIS too within next 2-3 series.
he is 35 and WC is 2.5 years away. PCB should select younger players now

 

[Rayyman]

Malik should hope none of Stanlake or Cummins play otherwise 92mph Bouncers and Malik won't be able to cope as usual.

Cummins was bowling rubbish last time he played internationally. Don't see him troubling Shobby.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Cummins was bowling rubbish last time he played internationally. Don't see him troubling Shobby.

Remember :

1. Bounce

&

2. Pace


And this thread addressee


Have a rishta (relation) of 18 years.

Probably 1-2 years lesser than your age

 

[Black Zero]

he should retired soon from ODIS too within next 2-3 series.
he is 35 and WC is 2.5 years away. PCB should select younger players now

He is having the highest batting avg during last two years for Pakistan.

This would be insane to ask for his retirement.

 

[Black Zero]

Only Akmal brothers can play quick bowles better than malik and score runs.
So in the absence of brothers, malik is the best we have.

Other batsmen may survive but won't score quicky.

 

[Asim2Good]

He is having the highest batting avg during last two years for Pakistan.

This would be insane to ask for his retirement.

he can finish his career on high then
he avg 34 after 240 games whch is not good enough
test amtches are different, but in ODIs, every team look to built for next WC, and he ll be 37.5 years old by next WC. and he is going be in same position where YK was in 2015 WC.

anyway this series should decide his future.

 

[Black Zero]

he can finish his career on high then
he avg 34 after 240 games whch is not good enough
test amtches are different, but in ODIs, every team look to built for next WC, and he ll be 37.5 years old by next WC. and he is going be in same position where YK was in 2015 WC.

anyway this series should decide his future.

Okay, he retired from tests on high notes, his best batting and bowling performances came during his last series.

I believe he would do similar for ODI and t20 retirement.

And for the record and for perspective, he avgs, 43 at his correct position of #4

 

[Asim2Good]

Okay, he retired from tests on high notes, his best batting and bowling performances came during his last series.

I believe he would do similar for ODI and t20 retirement.

And for the record and for perspective, he avgs, 43 at his correct position of #4

at position 4 ? selective stats are never good.
just one series before WI series, against England , he was batting at 6 in most matches. so are you talking abt last 4 matches ?

 

[Black Zero]

at position 4 ? selective stats are never good.
just one series before WI series, against England , he was batting at 6 in most matches. so are you talking abt last 4 matches ?

He was asked by micky to bat at lower order and no surprise he did not perform at 6, and then he was moved to #4 and he (with sarfraz) won us the match.

He has similar avg at #3 and #2., basically he is wasted at lower order.

 

[Asim2Good]

He was asked by micky to bat at lower order and no surprise he did not perform at 6, and then he was moved to #4 and he (with sarfraz) won us the match.

He has similar avg at #3 and #2., basically he is wasted at lower order.

so you are talking abt 4 innings for selective avg.
which have 2 single digit scores and 2 fifties.
again are you happy to take 37+ yr old into WC in England ?
and again this series should decide where Malik stands, BTW he avg 24 in Australia in 13 matches

 

[Black Zero]

so you are talking abt 4 innings for selective avg.
which have 2 single digit scores and 2 fifties.
again are you happy to take 37+ yr old into WC in England ?
and again this series should decide where Malik stands, BTW he avg 24 in Australia in 13 matches

No, it's 79 matches for top 4 batting positions with 41+ avg.
And for same position, in aus, avg is 28+.

Core message is that he should play at #4 as he avg 33+ in aus at #4.

 

[Black Zero]

so you are talking abt 4 innings for selective avg.
which have 2 single digit scores and 2 fifties.
again are you happy to take 37+ yr old into WC in England ?
and again this series should decide where Malik stands, BTW he avg 24 in Australia in 13 matches

Regarding 4 recent matches in UK, he was given one chance at #4 and he delivered, so it's 100%.

And it correspond to his career success at #4 (avg 43+)

I hope I am clear now.

 

[Asim2Good]

No, it's 79 matches for top 4 batting positions with 41+ avg.
And for same position, in aus, avg is 28+.

Core message is that he should play at #4 as he avg 33+ in aus at #4.

even though, avg of 28 is nothing to b proud of in any way.
u still avoiding main questoin, ll u take 37+ years old into WC in England or he should leave this place for now to Haris Sohail (who should b fit now hopefully) or for other emerging players ?

i am not that good in digging stats, someone need to find out where those 27 matches were played at number 4 and against which opposition

 

[Asim2Good]

No, it's 79 matches for top 4 batting positions with 41+ avg.
And for same position, in aus, avg is 28+.

Core message is that he should play at #4 as he avg 33+ in aus at #4.

just noticed that now you are talking about from 1-4. how many batsmen ll bat from 1-4 ?
he is not gonna open now , so 1-2 positions are gone.
Number 3 should belong to Babar Azam for some time now. as he is future of Pak batting (so far it looks like)
Number 4 should b Haris Sohail once he is fit, along with Babar Azam, he would b better option.

 

[Black Zero]

even though, avg of 28 is nothing to b proud of in any way.
u still avoiding main questoin, ll u take 37+ years old into WC in England or he should leave this place for now to Haris Sohail (who should b fit now hopefully) or for other emerging players ?

i am not that good in digging stats, someone need to find out where those 27 matches were played at number 4 and against which opposition

 

[Black Zero]

even though, avg of 28 is nothing to b proud of in any way.
u still avoiding main questoin, ll u take 37+ years old into WC in England or he should leave this place for now to Haris Sohail (who should b fit now hopefully) or for other emerging players ?

i am not that good in digging stats, someone need to find out where those 27 matches were played at number 4 and against which opposition

and I am not avoiding your "main" question (and I know the obsession of several PPers to bring WC in equation for no valid reason) as you have not established the merit of your objection yet.

Even if you select someone better than Malik now and play him for few years, most likely that player will be playing first time in England and Wales. he may or may not perform.

Secondly, merit should be paramount in any selection.
Why not just pick the player for WC (or any other series) purely based on merit?

Meanwhile keep giving chances to young blood in the team so that they can out perform seniors and eventually replace them.

 

[Black Zero]

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[TalentSpotterPk]

Malik should hope none of Stanlake or Cummins play otherwise 92mph Bouncers and Malik won't be able to cope as usual.

Stanlake won't play...

Cummins was bowling rubbish last time he played internationally. Don't see him troubling Shobby.

Remember :

1. Bounce

&

2. Pace


And this thread addressee


Have a rishta (relation) of 18 years.

Probably 1-2 years lesser than your age

I told you so. Both have been picked and rightly so.


Now watch out.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Now with Hazlewood, Starc, Cummins & Stanlake it would be decided whether Malik will play WC2019 or not.

Now is his real test. Forget about performances against Bangladesh, Zimbabwe & Srilanka in last two years for a moment now.

Come on Malik turn it on. Time for record ki durusdagi against Top pace bowling line ups. 18 years turn it around now.

Go Malik Go

 

[Hawkeye]

Now with Hazlewood, Starc, Cummins & Stanlake it would be decided whether Malik will play WC2019 or not.

Now is his real test. Forget about performances against Bangladesh, Zimbabwe & Srilanka in last two years for a moment now.

Come on Malik turn it on. Time for record ki durusdagi against Top pace bowling line ups. 18 years turn it around now.

Go Malik Go

Seem jump and hop like he always does against pace.

He's even afraid to put bat on ball. I've literally seen fear in his eyes.

 

[Hasan123]

Need shobby to step up, agree with talent bhai his place for the 2019 World Cup is on the line. Performances vs Lanka, Zimbabwe,etc pace attack means nothing here.

 

[Hamza_]

Seem jump and hop like he always does against pace.

He's even afraid to put bat on ball. I've literally seen fear in his eyes.

He did play Mark Wood decently though back in England.

 

[Black Zero]

I hope, his position is not changed.
If he plays at #4, we expect good performances from him.

 

[Seamer]

He should return to test cricket, he can be the senior figure in the team after Misbah/Younis. I think it'll be a solid middle order with Malik, Babar, Shafiq

 

[Bilal7]

He should return to test cricket, he can be the senior figure in the team after Misbah/Younis. I think it'll be a solid middle order with Malik, Babar, Shafiq

Malik himself knows he's not good enough for test cricket yet his fans continue to live in fairyland.

 

[Black Zero]

Malik himself knows he's not good enough for test cricket yet his fans continue to live in fairyland.

Malik played 23 innings in top 5 positions and averaged 42+ and scored 4 50s, 2 100s and one double. Not breath taking, but better than most.

He is one of very few Pakistani batsmen to score 200.

Sadly, in 62% of innings he was sent #6 and lower and he avg 30 in those too.

IMO, he retired from Test Crickert as no one watches cricket and its not compatible with his role as leading T20 league player.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Malik played 23 innings in top 5 positions and averaged 42+ and scored 4 50s, 2 100s and one double. Not breath taking, but better than most.

He is one of very few Pakistani batsmen to score 200.

Sadly, in 62% of innings he was sent #6 and lower and he avg 30 in those too.

IMO, he retired from Test Crickert as no one watches cricket and its not compatible with his role as leading T20 league player.

I am sorry what ?? EXPLAIN PLEASE !!!!!

 

[street cricketer]

So nice to see Shobby back in the team.

The MVP of the Pakistani ODI team.

 

[super hitter]

I am sorry what ?? EXPLAIN PLEASE !!!!!

No one watches test cricket...
He is the top most Pakistani player in foreign leauges

WHsat explanation man/?

 

[Bilal7]

Malik played 23 innings in top 5 positions and averaged 42+ and scored 4 50s, 2 100s and one double. Not breath taking, but better than most.

He is one of very few Pakistani batsmen to score 200.

Sadly, in 62% of innings he was sent #6 and lower and he avg 30 in those too.

IMO, he retired from Test Crickert as no one watches cricket and its not compatible with his role as leading T20 league player.

No, he retired because he's simply not good enough to play test cricket, just like his more popular and talented team-mate, Shahid Afridi.

 

[Black Zero]

No, he retired because he's simply not good enough to play test cricket, just like his more popular and talented team-mate, Shahid Afridi.

That is just your misinformed opinion.
I provided evidence which clearly tells that you are false. And you failed to refute those points.
Just read waqar's interview on pp, where he touched this query.

 

[Bilal7]

That is just your misinformed opinion.
I provided evidence which clearly tells that you are false. And you failed to refute those points.
Just read waqar's interview on pp, where he touched this query.

And I am providing you with a reality check in the form of Malik's retirement from test cricket. Read his own comments on his retirement and forget about what someone else says.

 

[super hitter]

No, he retired because he's simply not good enough to play test cricket, just like his more popular and talented team-mate, Shahid Afridi.

LOLz, So this man says that Mr. Shahid Afridi is more TALENTED then Shoaib...would u plz elaborate?

no matter u agree or disagree, u are another fan of afridi, u could've compared any good player instead of this thukaa baaz.

At present, Malik is way more popular than Afridi and I repeat 'way more'///
You'll hardly see any supporter of this guy around u

And I am providing you with a reality check in the form of Malik's retirement from test cricket. Read his own comments on his retirement and forget about what someone else says.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Malik makes a big difference to this side. Guiding his team to victory here.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Class above these kids. Backward drive, edge drive, lofted down the ground, square cuts, showed the whole package and made it look easy.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Drives down the ground. Clutch as they come baby.

 

[Adil_94]

Malik is miles ahead of ODI TTF Shafiq.

 

[MRSN]

This has been a wonderful knock so far. Knowing Pakistan and their history of spoiling run chases it has been treat to watch him bat tonight.

 

[MRSN]

Malik is miles ahead of ODI TTF Shafiq.

but some pundits on tv would think different.

I echo with your thoughts though. Absolutely ahead of Shafiq who should not be even in the squad. he looks mentally shot in the middle..should not happen for someone who is so experienced test player.

 

[waleed88]

If Shoaib Malik takes us home in this game, and carries on like this in the entrie series, I will become his fan!!