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Should Malik be in the plans for the 2019 WC?

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He's doing the job that should be expected of someone with 18 years and 240 ODIs worth of investment.
 
[MENTION=57576]MRSN[/MENTION] Shafiq struggles to rotate the strike can't beat the infield or hit boundaries regularly. He is just there because of his so called immaculate technique. He is too timid to be a good ODI player.
 
Adil_94 said:
[MENTION=57576]MRSN[/MENTION] Shafiq struggles to rotate the strike can't beat the infield or hit boundaries regularly. He is just there because of his so called immaculate technique. He is too timid to be a good ODI player.
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exactly. at least he should be rock solid at the crease and should be able to rotate the strike easily. He has played so much of test cricket. It just shows his lack of commitment and hunger. This also why he lacks consistency in test format.
 
[MENTION=57576]MRSN[/MENTION] he cant even drop and run just an awful ODI batsman. Our selectors need to identify a group of 5-6 bats who can handle the rigours of modern ODI Cricket.
 
Say what you want about his technical limitations but he is surely one of the best chasers of a target pakistan has produced .
One of the few clutch guys . Never panics
 
its all hard work, don't think so anyone in the team can be compared to his hard work.

still misses the MoM...though I seriously think that he was the game changer, bowled miles better then hafeez
 
Malik is expected to win games for Pakistan, when given a chance to play up.
I still think that he should have been sent at #4.

Credit to bowlers(including Malik) in this match though as 220 was clearly sub par score.
 
Malik keeps being the core of our middle order batting since 2015.

Also glad that Micky realised on time that he isn't a finisher and can not bat lower than 5. The combination of Malik-U. Akmal is looking good for Pakistan.
 
very underrated cricketer!

Brilliant in every facet of the game.The only one in the side who can pace a limited over innings. True star of today's batting success.
 
Since his comeback to the odi team in 2015 he is averaging 57 at a strike rate of 104. In T20Is over that period it's 42 and he's striking at 129. Those are
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Gabbar Singh said:
Since his comeback to the odi team in 2015 he is averaging 57 at a strike rate of 104. In T20Is over that period it's 42 and he's striking at 129. Those are
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too little too late..if he had done this earlier he would have been a GOAT..now its a footnote..
 
the Great Khan said:
too little too late..if he had done this earlier he would have been a GOAT..now its a footnote..
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Considering the present Pakistani batting line up he the closest to being an all time great.

He does everything the rest of them struggle to, rotate strike, run quickly between wickets, play into the gaps, avoid stupid shots and protect his wicket while doing all this.

In addition he is an effective limited overs bowler, a good fielder and an excellent catcher.

It took a lot less for some clowns to claim their 'goat' status :afridi1
 
Wow this thread has run to 152 pages. Is this the longest thread on PP? [MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION]
 
Malik has been the best chaser since Inzi. I don't think any other Pakistani player paces his innings as well as he does when it comes to chasing down a score. He has his limitations though with the late order hitting so the best positions for him to bat is at 3-5 he should not bat lower than that.
 
bad days for [MENTION=1080]miandadrules[/MENTION] and [MENTION=253]the Great Khan[/MENTION]
 
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Gabbar Singh said:
Since his comeback to the odi team in 2015 he is averaging 57 at a strike rate of 104. In T20Is over that period it's 42 and he's striking at 129. Those are
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well to be fair the avg drops significantly if you take out minnows
 
Rightly predicted his resurgence after the 2015 World Cup with Misbah, Younis and Afridi out of they system, but wrongly predicted that he will return as captain.

Nonetheless, he's here to stay till the 2019 World Cup and is the main man in the middle-order for us. Ticks most boxes: rotates the strike, can hit big shots, cool head and is extremely fit.

Would prefer him at 4 rather than 5.
 
I can't be accused of being a Malik hater, but average in wins/average in losses are two of the most useless measures out there.
 
Mamoon said:
I can't be accused of being a Malik hater, but average in wins/average in losses are two of the most useless measures out there.
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I would not consider it useless as there is merit to this filter (it's one the filter avaluable in stats guru for some reason),

at the least, it tells, team's reliance on your performance in wins. And that's the reason, we see stats of inzi, miandad, Saeed, are similar (though inferior to malik's) who were the top winners for Pakistan.
 
Black Zero said:
I would not consider it useless as there is merit to this filter (it's one the filter avaluable in stats guru for some reason),

at the least, it tells, team's reliance on your performance in wins. And that's the reason, we see stats of inzi, miandad, Saeed, are similar (though inferior to malik's) who were the top winners for Pakistan.
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hmm so Malik is a bigger matchwinner than these other guys :misbah
 
Mamoon said:
Rightly predicted his resurgence after the 2015 World Cup with Misbah, Younis and Afridi out of they system, but wrongly predicted that he will return as captain.

Nonetheless, he's here to stay till the 2019 World Cup and is the main man in the middle-order for us. Ticks most boxes: rotates the strike, can hit big shots, cool head and is extremely fit.

Would prefer him at 4 rather than 5.
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you're prediction would've been right but it was Malik himself, stepping back.

Being a captain strengthens your position in the team and he could've easily stayed till the 2019 WC but at the same time, you have to face a lot of criticism and he wants to have a farewell more like Imran Khan
 
Shobby answering his haters in style as always. There is that air of calmness that you always associate with him whenever he's at the crease unlike the other Pak bats.

Me thinks he should become the captain.:malik
 
Slog said:
bad days for [MENTION=1080]miandadrules[/MENTION] and [MENTION=253]the Great Khan[/MENTION]
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Why would there be bad days?

It was a quality knock. However, there is once again a distinct lack of perspective being exhibited. It's pretty clear how his fans have suddenly lost all the criteria and nuance that they apply in their liberal criticism of other players.

The challenge will be how he performs in the rest of the series. I say this based on the fact that the Australians played in to his strengths by bowling at him. He struggled initially when he had to move in line with the ball, but as the total was small, they started bowling directly at the stumps, which meant he didn't have to get in line with ball.

Now, Australians historically tend change the game plans pretty quickly against players, so lets see how it plays put.

I could be wrong and if someone wants the show the breakdown of the deliveries he faced I'm more than happy to change my opinion.
 
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super hitter said:
you're prediction would've been right but it was Malik himself, stepping back.

Being a captain strengthens your position in the team and he could've easily stayed till the 2019 WC but at the same time, you have to face a lot of criticism and he wants to have a farewell more like Imran Khan
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He wasn't offered captaincy after the World Cup. In fact, he wasn't even in the plans of the selectors but the terrible performance of Fawad vs Bangladesh and the injury to Maqsood provided Malik with an opportunity and he grabbed it with both hands.
 
Black Zero said:
I would not consider it useless as there is merit to this filter (it's one the filter avaluable in stats guru for some reason),

at the least, it tells, team's reliance on your performance in wins. And that's the reason, we see stats of inzi, miandad, Saeed, are similar (though inferior to malik's) who were the top winners for Pakistan.
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There is too much room for manipulation when one considers averages in wins/losses. For example, you can play a poor knock but win because of the brilliance of your teammate, e.g. Imran Khan was poor in the 92 SF but Inzamam played an incredible immings and thus, it became a match-winning effort. Similarly, the pathetic innings of Younis and Misbah in the Mohali SF would have been match-winning efforts had Umar, Afridi or Razzaq played a blinder.

On the other end of the spectrum, Tendulkar's epic knocks vs Pakistan in 2004 and Australia in 2009 respectively, are now runs in defeats because he didn't get enough support from his teammates.

Now this may not necessarily apply to Malik, but any metric that makes him look like a better match-winner than Miandad, Inzamam, Anwar and MoYo etc. cannot be considered seriously, because no one will ever pick him ahead of these names.
 
Slog said:
bad days for [MENTION=1080]miandadrules[/MENTION] and [MENTION=253]the Great Khan[/MENTION]
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what? I'm his biggest fan..I mean who can forget his scintillating triple century against warne and mcgrath? you newby fans dont deserve to be supporters of the asian bradman. People like me have carried this thread and his legend to all corners!!
 
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shortbread said:
Considering the present Pakistani batting line up he the closest to being an all time great.

He does everything the rest of them struggle to, rotate strike, run quickly between wickets, play into the gaps, avoid stupid shots and protect his wicket while doing all this.

In addition he is an effective limited overs bowler, a good fielder and an excellent catcher.

It took a lot less for some clowns to claim their 'goat' status :afridi1
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dont want to get into a afridi vs malik thing here but say what you want about afridi, if he wasn't doing it with the bat he was doing it with the ball. malik could never commit a massacre like the one at kanpur even if he was injected with a super soldier serum!!

face the reality of the situation..he was and will always be a mediocre player who has had a late blossoming that is frankly too little and too late. He failed when we needed him. Failed miserable and then help take down the team with him. A player who will never understand the importance of the green shirt!! You can sing his praises in your 12 year old fantasies all you want. you can indulge his psychopathic delusional fans all you want, but the facts never lie. He has been playing since 99 and will never be remembered in the same breath as the majority of players who played as long as he has for the green shirt...
 
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Mamoon said:
He wasn't offered captaincy after the World Cup. In fact, he wasn't even in the plans of the selectors but the terrible performance of Fawad vs Bangladesh and the injury to Maqsood provided Malik with an opportunity and he grabbed it with both hands.
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not after the WC,

he was the first choice for captain in the absence of Azhar and Sarfraz, however, the not-in-form Hafeez got the spot
 
the Great Khan said:
dont want to get into a afridi vs malik thing here but say what you want about afridi, if he wasn't doing it with the bat he was doing it with the ball. malik could never commit a massacre like the one at kanpur even if he was injected with a super soldier serum!!

face the reality of the situation..he was and will always be a mediocre player who has had a late blossoming that is frankly too little and too late. He failed when we needed him. Failed miserable and then help take down the team with him. A player who will never understand the importance of the green shirt!! You can sing his praises in your 12 year old fantasies all you want. you can indulge his psychopathic delusional fans all you want, but the facts never lie. He has been playing since 99 and will never be remembered in the same breath as the majority of players who played as long as he has for the green shirt...
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Khan sb. Credit where credit is due. I think he played the most fluent innings on either side yesterday (despite a characteristically shocking start against high quality pace).

I have always been his fan, but even I feel its time for him to go because he will be a liability at the champion's trophy. but if he can use this innings to get some self-belief, he might still be of use at the CT.
 
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the Great Khan said:
dont want to get into a afridi vs malik thing here but say what you want about afridi, if he wasn't doing it with the bat he was doing it with the ball. malik could never commit a massacre like the one at kanpur even if he was injected with a super soldier serum!!

face the reality of the situation..he was and will always be a mediocre player who has had a late blossoming that is frankly too little and too late. He failed when we needed him. Failed miserable and then help take down the team with him. A player who will never understand the importance of the green shirt!! You can sing his praises in your 12 year old fantasies all you want. you can indulge his psychopathic delusional fans all you want, but the facts never lie. He has been playing since 99 and will never be remembered in the same breath as the majority of players who played as long as he has for the green shirt...
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Afridi's fan???

Oh [MENTION=78642]shortbread[/MENTION] you just came at the right place...

I've mentioned it in the past, all of the depressed Afridi supporters bash Malik because in the past few years, Malik has gained way more support than poor Afridi
 
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super hitter said:
Afridi's fan???

Oh [MENTION=78642]shortbread[/MENTION] you just came at the right place...

I've mentioned it in the past, all of the depressed Afridi supporters bash Malik because in the past few years, Malik has gained way more support than poor Afridi
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and you miss the point as usual..must be coz your posting inbetween either lectures or classes..oh janaab, understand the point before posting..the point is afridi, a mediocre batsman made himself into a legend by creating a niche for himself and actually performing relatively well in at least one format if not two..Malik had the same opportunities, hell maybe more opps and he failed..end of..they were both a mediocre bunch from a mediocre generation but one managed somehow to pull himself up with some pretty good performances , while the other went nearly five years without a notable performance but still managed to get into the side..go figure.."mainay ab is ki innings ko kya kurna hay? ab kya fiada?"

as for this innings, well he was all at sea against cummins first up but then played a good innings..but that should be a given now..the bare minimum. Sorry not good enough any more..
 
Mamoon said:
There is too much room for manipulation when one considers averages in wins/losses. For example, you can play a poor knock but win because of the brilliance of your teammate, e.g. Imran Khan was poor in the 92 SF but Inzamam played an incredible immings and thus, it became a match-winning effort. Similarly, the pathetic innings of Younis and Misbah in the Mohali SF would have been match-winning efforts had Umar, Afridi or Razzaq played a blinder.

On the other end of the spectrum, Tendulkar's epic knocks vs Pakistan in 2004 and Australia in 2009 respectively, are now runs in defeats because he didn't get enough support from his teammates.

Now this may not necessarily apply to Malik, but any metric that makes him look like a better match-winner than Miandad, Inzamam, Anwar and MoYo etc. cannot be considered seriously, because no one will ever pick him ahead of these names.
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Couple of points:

I am assuming, that by poor knock, you meant, low SR. Correct? My presented data accounts for SR in addition to averages.
If we have a bigger sample set, then it gives us more confidence in the findings.

Unlike tests, edge cases of runs scored in an innings are not that apart, (for example, YK can score 300 and then score naught in next 5 innings, he will still avg 50. However odi is limited to 50 overs maximum, and you do not have a upper range to skew your average much, you would have to score 100 for every naught to keep the average of 50).


Malik not only leads in average but also leads comfortably in SR.

I am ready to admit that, in recent times, inflation happened in batting stats due to several factors, and this could bump Malik's numbers a bit.

Hope that you see some validity in thone stats.
 
the Great Khan said:
and you miss the point as usual..must be coz your posting inbetween either lectures or classes..oh janaab, understand the point before posting..the point is afridi, a mediocre batsman made himself into a legend by creating a niche for himself and actually performing relatively well in at least one format if not two..Malik had the same opportunities, hell maybe more opps and he failed..end of..they were both a mediocre bunch from a mediocre generation but one managed somehow to pull himself up with some pretty good performances , while the other went nearly five years without a notable performance but still managed to get into the side..go figure.."mainay ab is ki innings ko kya kurna hay? ab kya fiada?"

as for this innings, well he was all at sea against cummins first up but then played a good innings..but that should be a given now..the bare minimum. Sorry not good enough any more..
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I thought that you were malik's fan.
Your above post clearly demonstrates that you are neither a good analyst nor a good imposter.
 
the Great Khan said:
dont want to get into a afridi vs malik thing here but say what you want about afridi, if he wasn't doing it with the bat he was doing it with the ball. malik could never commit a massacre like the one at kanpur even if he was injected with a super soldier serum!!
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Why fear a comparison?! They both more or less play the same role.

Afridi's massacres was even rare by the count of law of averages. The man himself claimed it was once in a blue moon!! 95% of the time the clown threw his wicket away. Say what you say about Malik and his deficiencies, he wont turn up at the crease every time, hoick every delivery and get out after a few. He put a price on his wicket and did not rely on some 'urban legend' to prolong his career.

Afridi was a mediocre batsman or a mediocre bowler, all depended on what he did worse the said day. As a bowler he bowled far more overs at really opportune moments since he was either the 'senior' player or the captain.

You could not rely on Afridi for anything, the only thing consistent was in the rare 'once in a blue moon' moments where he pulled of a performance worth mentioning his fans sang him praises.

Their records speak for themselves, Afridi obviously played a lot more games and comparatively did a lot worse as a batsman. Almost 500 limited over innings to score 9500 odd runs. If thriving in mediocrity was a sport in itself Afridi would have brought home the gold!!

As a bowler Afridi has bowled more than twice the overs Malik has, of-course the 'legend' deserves far more opportunities. The surprising fact is despite this their strike rate ain't far apart. Their strike rate and economy are similar, actually Malik has a better Strike rate in T20s.

But then Afridi can massacre.

Massacre a slot in his own team that is, created a 20 year career based on rare successes and incumbent management. Created a super star/goat status that defied both logic or purpose!
 
shortbread said:
Why fear a comparison?! They both more or less play the same role.

Afridi's massacres was even rare by the count of law of averages. The man himself claimed it was once in a blue moon!! 95% of the time the clown threw his wicket away. Say what you say about Malik and his deficiencies, he wont turn up at the crease every time, hoick every delivery and get out after a few. He put a price on his wicket and did not rely on some 'urban legend' to prolong his career.

Afridi was a mediocre batsman or a mediocre bowler, all depended on what he did worse the said day. As a bowler he bowled far more overs at really opportune moments since he was either the 'senior' player or the captain.

You could not rely on Afridi for anything, the only thing consistent was in the rare 'once in a blue moon' moments where he pulled of a performance worth mentioning his fans sang him praises.

Their records speak for themselves, Afridi obviously played a lot more games and comparatively did a lot worse as a batsman. Almost 500 limited over innings to score 9500 odd runs. If thriving in mediocrity was a sport in itself Afridi would have brought home the gold!!

As a bowler Afridi has bowled more than twice the overs Malik has, of-course the 'legend' deserves far more opportunities. The surprising fact is despite this their strike rate ain't far apart. Their strike rate and economy are similar, actually Malik has a better Strike rate in T20s.

But then Afridi can massacre.

Massacre a slot in his own team that is, created a 20 year career based on rare successes and incumbent management. Created a super star/goat status that defied both logic or purpose!
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ask yourself why he played more? I mean the legend that is Malik should have played more surely?
 
Mamoon said:
Rightly predicted his resurgence after the 2015 World Cup with Misbah, Younis and Afridi out of they system, but wrongly predicted that he will return as captain.

Nonetheless, he's here to stay till the 2019 World Cup and is the main man in the middle-order for us. Ticks most boxes: rotates the strike, can hit big shots, cool head and is extremely fit.

Would prefer him at 4 rather than 5.
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I think those qualities make up for his technical deficiencies which he definitely does have. He's not a text book batsman by any means, but Pakistan has such a dearth of quality batsmen that he stands out simply for having a batting brain and looking very fit.
 
Actually think 5 is perfect for him. Away from the new ball, plus he will to some degree be able to control Umar when he comes in next.

Sarfraz should slot straight back into 4. More compact and better rotator of strike, plus Malik has a better hitting range, making him more useful at 5
 
the Great Khan said:
ask yourself why he played more? I mean the legend that is Malik should have played more surely?
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Political clout, ********, incumbent management......where do you start?!

The official line is there was a dearth of talent to replace Afridi!

I do not want to come across as rude, but clearly the yardstick used to measure Malik and Afridi isn't the same.

I remember watching Ashton Agar take on a menacing English bowling line up at Trentbridge. Anderson was possessed in these conditions, unplayable and brilliantly backed up by Swann And Finn. Out comes this 19 year old lad at no.11 , went on to scare a run a ball 98, to help his team to get from 117/9 to 280ao.

The reason I say this is because Agar was a spinner who had a miraculous innings. If he ever got the opportunity to bat 500 odd limited over games, bowl more than 3800 overs, he would have had a better record than Afridi. But Australia had to drop Agar after that innings, because he was not good enough. He made an impressive debut just like Afridi, but unlike the latter that was not a lifelong pass to be in the playing 11.

Afridi simply lowered the bar for the team. No other decent side in the world would have him represent their country for so long.
 
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Actually think 5 is perfect for him. Away from the new ball, plus he will to some degree be able to control Umar when he comes in next.

Sarfraz should slot straight back into 4. More compact and better rotator of strike, plus Malik has a better hitting range, making him more useful at 5
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He failed at #6 in England in first 3 matches and when moved up at #4, he along with Sarfraz, won us the match.

so #4 is the right slot for him.
 
It will become a whole kichri once Haris Sohail is back in the mix. Surely one of Sarfaraz, Malik and Umar Akmal will have to sit out.
 
Haris Sohail himself will have to prove himself all over again. It's been a long while since he played, he won't just walk into the ODI side without showing something.
 
Black Zero said:
Azhar, Asad and Rizwan will get under pressure.
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Those three won't feature anyway. Hafeez will take Azhar's spot. Sarfaraz will take Rizwan's and Asad's will probably go to Haris. The problem is with this arrangement is that you have a batsman coming at number 7 who may not be suited for the position.

1. Sharjeel
2. Hafeez
3. Babar
4. Haris
5. Sarfaraz/Malik
6. Sarfaraz/Malik/Akmal
7. Sarfaraz/Akmal

Either two out of Sarf, Malik or Umar play or Haris is benched. No other solution.
 
shortbread said:
Political clout, ********, incumbent management......where do you start?!

The official line is there was a dearth of talent to replace Afridi!

I do not want to come across as rude, but clearly the yardstick used to measure Malik and Afridi isn't the same.

I remember watching Ashton Agar take on a menacing English bowling line up at Trentbridge. Anderson was possessed in these conditions, unplayable and brilliantly backed up by Swann And Finn. Out comes this 19 year old lad at no.11 , went on to scare a run a ball 98, to help his team to get from 117/9 to 280ao.

The reason I say this is because Agar was a spinner who had a miraculous innings. If he ever got the opportunity to bat 500 odd limited over games, bowl more than 3800 overs, he would have had a better record than Afridi. But Australia had to drop Agar after that innings, because he was not good enough. He made an impressive debut just like Afridi, but unlike the latter that was not a lifelong pass to be in the playing 11.

Afridi simply lowered the bar for the team. No other decent side in the world would have him represent their country for so long.
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apply this same logic to Malik and your onto a winner...Malik's miraculous innings was at number 8 against South africa..yet lo and behold ten years later-ish he's still here..mnnh..
 
Black Zero said:
Couple of points:

I am assuming, that by poor knock, you meant, low SR. Correct? My presented data accounts for SR in addition to averages.
If we have a bigger sample set, then it gives us more confidence in the findings.

Unlike tests, edge cases of runs scored in an innings are not that apart, (for example, YK can score 300 and then score naught in next 5 innings, he will still avg 50. However odi is limited to 50 overs maximum, and you do not have a upper range to skew your average much, you would have to score 100 for every naught to keep the average of 50).


Malik not only leads in average but also leads comfortably in SR.

I am ready to admit that, in recent times, inflation happened in batting stats due to several factors, and this could bump Malik's numbers a bit.

Hope that you see some validity in thone stats.
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As I said, those fallacies may not necessarily apply in Malik's case and they don't as you explained. However, what does one infer from this? Would you take Malik ahead of Miandad, Inzamam, Anwar and MoYo because he is supposedly a bigger match-winner in ODI cricket? Obviously not, thus, it is indeed quite a useless/pointless/meaningless metric even in this specific case.
 
Syed1 said:
It will become a whole kichri once Haris Sohail is back in the mix. Surely one of Sarfaraz, Malik and Umar Akmal will have to sit out.
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Which is good - players fighting for spots as long as it's fair & squire. A lefti at 4 is not handy, it's essential - Sarfu is WK, so if it's for Malik or Umar, doesn't matter if it's on merit, as long as Azhar is not keeping his spot in playing XI as Captain - because he doesn't deserve a spot ahead of the other 2.
 
Mamoon said:
As I said, those fallacies may not necessarily apply in Malik's case and they don't as you explained. However, what does one infer from this? Would you take Malik ahead of Miandad, Inzamam, Anwar and MoYo because he is supposedly a bigger match-winner in ODI cricket? Obviously not, thus, it is indeed quite a useless/pointless/meaningless metric even in this specific case.
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Sadly, it's not obvious to me. I'll have to determine the inflation of avg and SR over the years after inzi/moYo to answer your question objectively.
 
Mamoon said:
Yes but I meant as permanent captain, not as stand-in.
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don't think so Azhar's going to get back the captaincy chair...He's going to be removed at least after this series and Hafeez seems to be the next man on line...just an assumption though, lets see!
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Shoaib Malik since his recall to the ODI team in May 2015:<br>962 runs<br>Average 56.59<br>Strike rate 104<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/dHhSnGexf2">pic.twitter.com/dHhSnGexf2</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/821063772525699076">January 16, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Those Numbers can kill his critics.
 
Another impactful innings, but should have converted it into a big one.

However, it's clear that he is the best strike rotator in the team and keeps the scoreboard ticking better than anyone else. The ideal man in the middle overs and has not failed outside Asia which we were told he will.
 
Shobby is the best in rotating strike in the Pakistan team. All other Pak bats struggle to rotate strike freely.

The sign of a modern dynamic ODI bat is to keep going at 90+ sr with minimal risks. You watch Kohli bat, he hits the first ball of an over for a boundary and then takes singles and doubles of pretty much every remaining ball. Problem with Shobby is that he doesn't kick on to make big scores and gets out with 50ish scores too often.
 
street cricketer said:
Shobby is the best in rotating strike in the Pakistan team. All other Pak bats struggle to rotate strike freely.

The sign of a modern dynamic ODI bat is to keep going at 90+ sr with minimal risks. You watch Kohli bat, he hits the first ball of an over for a boundary and then takes singles and doubles of pretty much every remaining ball. Problem with Shobby is that he doesn't kick on to make big scores and gets out with 50ish scores too often.
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Plus malik likes to play cut shots and cause of that he is susceptible to caught behind.
 
I will inevitably invite the ire of the Hari Krishnas but this innings was a perfect example of a house of cards primed for collapse.

Inside edge for four, outside edge for four, overthrow for four and cashing in on a part-time spinner followed by the inevitable dismissal against a half-decent bowler.

Of course this isn't the tune that the faithful will sing, but spin it however you want the evidence is there for all to see.

Feel free to bookmark this post and throw it in my face if I'm proved wrong.
 
Black Zero said:
Plus malik likes to play cut shots and cause of that he is susceptible to caught behind.
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Strange cut shot he played.

But then again if any batsman in history could play a cut shot whilst aiming to play down the ground, it's the Don.
 
miandadrules said:
I will inevitably invite the ire of the Hari Krishnas but this innings was a perfect example of a house of cards primed for collapse.

Inside edge for four, outside edge for four, overthrow for four and cashing in on a part-time spinner followed by the inevitable dismissal against a half-decent bowler.

Of course this isn't the tune that the faithful will sing, but spin it however you want the evidence is there for all to see.

Feel free to bookmark this post and throw it in my face if I'm proved wrong.
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Babar inside-edged a few as well.

Malik is batting at #5, it's his job to put the pressure on the opponents by hitting their spinners and medium pacers (generally).

His struggles against pace are well-known.

Should have carried on, though.
 
Abdullah719 said:
Babar inside-edged a few as well.

Malik is batting at #5, it's his job to put the pressure on the opponents by hitting their spinners and medium pacers (generally).

His struggles against pace are well-known.

Should have carried on, though.
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He was fortunate.

At least Barbar gets in-line with the ball but what percentage of Barbar's runs were edges and off the part-timer?Then do the same for Malik? Also, Malik is being billed as the "mainstay" of the line-up.

Like I said his performances are being spun for something they are not and if I'm wrong you can throw these posts back in my face. But if we don't want to repeat the same mistakes of the past we have to have an honest evaluation.
 
miandadrules said:
He was fortunate.

At least Barbar gets in-line with the ball but what percentage of Barbar's runs were edges and off the part-timer?Then do the same for Malik? Also, Malik is being billed as the "mainstay" of the line-up.

Like I said his performances are being spun for something they are not and if I'm wrong you can throw these posts back in my face. But if we don't want to repeat the same mistakes of the past we have to have an honest evaluation.
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I don't really care about what percentage of his runs were off edges, to be honest. I don't claim he's a better batsman than Babar, that would be delusional.

His intent is what matters, he wanted to rotate strike and go for the odd big shots against a spinner who we gifted with two wickets.

The fact of the matter is that Malik and Sarfraz sadly seem to be the only batsmen in the lineup who seem capable of batting properly in the middle overs. It's important for momentum to be sustained, or revived in the middle of the innings and Umar Akmal's knock today showed that we're lacking someone who can do that in the middle order.

Malik is not ideal but he is doing what he needs to do.
 
Abdullah719 said:
I don't really care about what percentage of his runs were off edges, to be honest. I don't claim he's a better batsman than Babar, that would be delusional.

His intent is what matters, he wanted to rotate strike and go for the odd big shots against a spinner who we gifted with two wickets.

The fact of the matter is that Malik and Sarfraz sadly seem to be the only batsmen in the lineup who seem capable of batting properly in the middle overs. It's important for momentum to be sustained, or revived in the middle of the innings and Umar Akmal's knock today showed that we're lacking someone who can do that in the middle order.

Malik is not ideal but he is doing what he needs to do.
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Like I said I'm on record, so feel free to bump this thread.

Unfortunately, luck runs out.

Give Umar Akmal five years of failure and a consistent prime spot in the batting order against minnows and then we can have this discussion.

He's being given a prime spot, as well as being shielded from the better bowlers, yet still looks there for the taking. Ultimately, we can delude ourself from the reality of the situation and then act wise after the event or we can be proactive.

Finally, when you have players who are not even worthy of ODI selection such as Hafeez, Asad and Azhar to name a few, all of which have to face the better bowlers it seems incredulous to hold Malik as some beacon.
 
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