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Should Malik be in the plans for the 2019 WC?

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I am happy that we have team players like Sarfraz and Malik who always encourage and appreciate their teammates.

Saw Sarfraz jumping on Malik's hundred and how Malik appreciated Hafeez.
 
Mamoon said:
Could return if requested. He retired on a high for the team and Pakistan carried his senior Iftikhar in his stead. If the team management request him, he will probably return. Few better plays of spin in the country, and we are not going to tour England, SA and Australia for a while.
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He is wise enough and should not play test matches anymore. Need to focus on limited overs for World Cup 2019.
 
The best part was when the whole dressing room was looking for the last hit by Malik that whether it was a six or a four and then the way they cheered up...there was a time when there were so many groups in between...#united we win
 
Hamza_ said:
Shoaib Malik should be the only senior playing next world cup. He is playing on merit.
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Excellent guide for the youngsters. He's always encouraging them. That's a great quality about him. Even in Sialkot, his side was full of young players.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
37 is fine. He plans to retire after that. He's in very good shape and still has his reflexes. Difficult to drop him if he keep scoring.
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He will be giving alot of humble pies to his haters for next 2 years.

I'm sure will make his record better as well.
 
Malik should look for some coaching certifications - he is a gastric prospect for future coaching roles at jr. level, if he can complete Level 3 badge.
 
Malik had a hard luck with MoM and MoS awards during last two years, so it's good that he got today. (Even though it was a low pressure game)
 
MMHS said:
WI cricketers must be part of Malik Lobby as well - dropping dollies of him at the start of his innings ...
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[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] How do you Malik in CT2017 and WC2019? Against tough teams particularly
 
Excellent stuff.

Hopefully Malik carries on like this until the end of the 2019 WC and then retires gracefully.

He can get 8,000+ ODI runs at an average of 36+ with decent bowling and very good fielding to go with that.

Great servant for Pakistan.
 
4 failures in England last year + 4 failures in Australia = but hey who among us is not guilty of cashing when chasing low totals or playing lowly teams
 
Hamza_ said:
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] How do you Malik in CT2017 and WC2019? Against tough teams particularly
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The answer has three parts.

First, next two ICC events are in UK, where Malik's batting records is more fitting to someone like Saqline. Therefore, it's risky to back Malik to deliver or live up to expectation as a specialist bat, particularly in 2019, when he'll be close to 38. Having said that, somewhere in this thread I wrote in 2015 (probably during SRL tour), that benchmarking Malik's previous stats in U.K. with current context is a bit misleading. He has a fundamental weakness against pace, bounce & movement & his stats in U.K. were from an era when UK ODI's were played on wickets/condition at standard scores of 450 in 100 overs - now, it has gone to at least 575, may he even 625. Therefore, he can serve as a batsman at No. 5 - more appropriate probably to say that he won't be that vulnerable these days. Besides, Malik is probably the least selfish player in PAK team - if he can't manage it, he'll get out in max 18/19 balls, trying to excelerate; but he'll never end up with a 29 of 58 balls in a 300 per innings.

2nd part is that, on contrary to his weakness against pace, he is one of the best players of spin, which has been a main weapon for every team these days, due to the standard of spin play in modern era. The effortless ease that he mastered WI spinners on helpful wickets this series will be missed by PAK team without him against almost every team ahead of them in ranking table, including England & Newzeland, who has brought back Jeetan Patel at this age for a reason. A PAK middle order without Malik was choked to embressment by Bangladeshi spinners in 5 consecutive matches & it'll be the game plan for every team, without Malik & Sarfraz in middle order. Therefore, I do believe he should be a permanent at # 5 spot for next 26 months.

Apart from the batting, third aspect is that, Malik is a true professional, a role model for young players - he has the right mindset, proper approach to the game, appropriate attitude to task & selfless contribution to team's interest. On top of that, he brings lots of qualities in the LO team like fitness, running, fielding which are almost missing from other sr. members from PAK team. Besides, he understands the LO batting concept, strike rotation, impact of dot ball % & can pace his innings perfectly according to targets. These are unique qualities for top young players like Babar to learn from, which is missing from PAK team in last few years. Malik had been a catalyst in PAK's middle order from creating the pressure cooker like situation with series of few players I shouldn't name.

Apart from limitation against pace, Malik's another weakness is that he isn't a brutal butcher - he won't be able to score 38 of 10 balls like the guy at IPL today. His maximum limit is probably a SR of 125 & managing an asking of around 8 for short period, therefore he shouldn't be perceived as a power hitter, rather an anchor who can perfectly pace a standard to tight chase. That's why, I believe, his best use is at # 5, which'll protect him from 2 new balls & he should have enough time in middle before the last 10 overs starts. On top of that, Sarfraz must use Malik's bowling ability, which still is quite decent for a 6th bowler. He is extremely cunning & capable of using reverse batting psychology while defending a decent total, or setting a manageable target. PAK's average over rate is such that, without contribution from Malik like bowlers, Sarfraz won't be able to play 11 consecutive WC matches - risks'll be at the business end of tournament, if PAK makes the top 4 cut. In Imad/Asghar & Shadab, PAK has a very good spin option to take the ball away from right handers; now Sarfraz should use Malik's experience with ball when lefties are batting - that'll make him much more valuable player than Hafeez, in CT & WC.
 
MMHS said:
The answer has three parts.

First, next two ICC events are in UK, where Malik's batting records is more fitting to someone like Saqline. Therefore, it's risky to back Malik to deliver or live up to expectation as a specialist bat, particularly in 2019, when he'll be close to 38. Having said that, somewhere in this thread I wrote in 2015 (probably during SRL tour), that benchmarking Malik's previous stats in U.K. with current context is a bit misleading. He has a fundamental weakness against pace, bounce & movement & his stats in U.K. were from an era when UK ODI's were played on wickets/condition at standard scores of 450 in 100 overs - now, it has gone to at least 575, may he even 625. Therefore, he can serve as a batsman at No. 5 - more appropriate probably to say that he won't be that vulnerable these days. Besides, Malik is probably the least selfish player in PAK team - if he can't manage it, he'll get out in max 18/19 balls, trying to excelerate; but he'll never end up with a 29 of 58 balls in a 300 per innings.

2nd part is that, on contrary to his weakness against pace, he is one of the best players of spin, which has been a main weapon for every team these days, due to the standard of spin play in modern era. The effortless ease that he mastered WI spinners on helpful wickets this series will be missed by PAK team without him against almost every team ahead of them in ranking table, including England & Newzeland, who has brought back Jeetan Patel at this age for a reason. A PAK middle order without Malik was choked to embressment by Bangladeshi spinners in 5 consecutive matches & it'll be the game plan for every team, without Malik & Sarfraz in middle order. Therefore, I do believe he should be a permanent at # 5 spot for next 26 months.

Apart from the batting, third aspect is that, Malik is a true professional, a role model for young players - he has the right mindset, proper approach to the game, appropriate attitude to task & selfless contribution to team's interest. On top of that, he brings lots of qualities in the LO team like fitness, running, fielding which are almost missing from other sr. members from PAK team. Besides, he understands the LO batting concept, strike rotation, impact of dot ball % & can pace his innings perfectly according to targets. These are unique qualities for top young players like Babar to learn from, which is missing from PAK team in last few years. Malik had been a catalyst in PAK's middle order from creating the pressure cooker like situation with series of few players I shouldn't name.

Apart from limitation against pace, Malik's another weakness is that he isn't a brutal butcher - he won't be able to score 38 of 10 balls like the guy at IPL today. His maximum limit is probably a SR of 125 & managing an asking of around 8 for short period, therefore he shouldn't be perceived as a power hitter, rather an anchor who can perfectly pace a standard to tight chase. That's why, I believe, his best use is at # 5, which'll protect him from 2 new balls & he should have enough time in middle before the last 10 overs starts. On top of that, Sarfraz must use Malik's bowling ability, which still is quite decent for a 6th bowler. He is extremely cunning & capable of using reverse batting psychology while defending a decent total, or setting a manageable target. PAK's average over rate is such that, without contribution from Malik like bowlers, Sarfraz won't be able to play 11 consecutive WC matches - risks'll be at the business end of tournament, if PAK makes the top 4 cut. In Imad/Asghar & Shadab, PAK has a very good spin option to take the ball away from right handers; now Sarfraz should use Malik's experience with ball when lefties are batting - that'll make him much more valuable player than Hafeez, in CT & WC.
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Mian even seems to be smashing again pace as well these days.
 
MMHS said:
WI cricketers must be part of Malik Lobby as well - dropping dollies of him at the start of his innings ...
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Malik has always made it to a big score with some help from the fielders.. which is why I daresay he only has 9 100s to show for his efforts in a career span of 17 years
 
And the hate for this man will never end. NEVER!

Not to forget that each n every bowl was turning miles, no batsman could've resisted that even with the biggest bat in the world.
 
Great Hundred yesterday but still inferior to his 250 at the SCG a few years ago..

I think we should use the best cricket brain in pakistan in a better way. perhaps offer him the chairmanship.

On a serious note, with all due respect he should be scoring against a west indies C team. and after playing for pakistan since 1999 he has finally near the end of his relatively poor career realised that you need to play for the green shirt and not your own benefit. Ultimatley too little too late and he will never really do well against any of the bigger teams..
 
Come on TGK, give him a break.

I'm going off on a tangent a bit but the former British PM Tony Blair once said "My project will be complete when the Labour party learns to love Peter Mandelson." (for those who don't know Mandelson was a controversial figure in the British Labour Party).

I think Malik's project won't be complete until TGK learns to love Shoaib. :)


the Great Khan said:
Great Hundred yesterday but still inferior to his 250 at the SCG a few years ago..

I think we should use the best cricket brain in pakistan in a better way. perhaps offer him the chairmanship.

On a serious note, with all due respect he should be scoring against a west indies C team. and after playing for pakistan since 1999 he has finally near the end of his relatively poor career realised that you need to play for the green shirt and not your own benefit. Ultimatley too little too late and he will never really do well against any of the bigger teams..
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Mamoon said:
Won't mind seeing him return to the Test team after the retirement of Younis and Misbah. He will do well in Asia. He has 2-3 years left in the tank, should be milked.
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He retired on a high. He wont come back. He wants to have a top notch legacy and he'll get that.
 
I like reading [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] detailed posts, he is the Ric Flair of PP; by the time he retires should have at least 16 POTW wins :)) 16 time champ!

Just to add to your post, besides the distinction between the past and present era's the conditions generally in England are a lot better for batting, the summers are not as wet, the new drainage systems allow for flat conditions to an extent with a fair amount in the wicket for spin and the UK groundsman tend to be amongst the best in the world so all round we can expect something sporting. However, he'll have to deal with a bit more bounce then usual so that will be a challenge but generally the stars are in his favour given his form as well so you'd expect him to do well. However, beyond the CT I don't have much confidence in him due to his age but expect him to be selected until then at the very least.
 
the Great Khan said:
Great Hundred yesterday but still inferior to his 250 at the SCG a few years ago..

I think we should use the best cricket brain in pakistan in a better way. perhaps offer him the chairmanship.

On a serious note, with all due respect he should be scoring against a west indies C team. and after playing for pakistan since 1999 he has finally near the end of his relatively poor career realised that you need to play for the green shirt and not your own benefit. Ultimatley too little too late and he will never really do well against any of the bigger teams..
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Think of something original champ instead of recycling miandadrules jokes out of desperation :yk they are only only funny when he says them.
 
Pete Rose said:
4 failures in England last year + 4 failures in Australia = but hey who among us is not guilty of cashing when chasing low totals or playing lowly teams
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Thanks for reminding us.

- Malik won us match in Cardiff with his 77 while chasing 302.
- Malik won us a match at Melbourne with unbeaten 42. (he averaged only 68 in that series)
 
Black Zero said:
Thanks for reminding us.

- Malik won us match in Cardiff with his 77 while chasing 302.
- Malik won us a match at Melbourne with unbeaten 42. (he averaged only 68 in that series)
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Yes in a series where the opposite number averaged 100+ and us losing the series 4-1... ofcourse Malik's 42 was the prime innings of the series..

don't even get me started on his 47 of 67 with two dropped catches in the 4th odi
 
Well done, Malik. I'm not a fan but if you keep scoring runs then I'm all for having you as our team's #5 or #6.
 
Malik will score an important 50 against India in the CT, playing a supporting role to Babar's century.
 
waleed88 said:
Yes in a series where the opposite number averaged 100+ and us losing the series 4-1... ofcourse Malik's 42 was the prime innings of the series..

don't even get me started on his 47 of 67 with two dropped catches in the 4th odi
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1- correction 42*
2- Malik had avg of 68, which was highest for Pakistan, what (and who) was the second highest avg?
 
Gabbar Singh said:
Come on TGK, give him a break.

I'm going off on a tangent a bit but the former British PM Tony Blair once said "My project will be complete when the Labour party learns to love Peter Mandelson." (for those who don't know Mandelson was a controversial figure in the British Labour Party).

I think Malik's project won't be complete until TGK learns to love Shoaib. :)
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ill let you in on a secret. Do you see that minor Qotw win I got? it was because I defended Malik when he got made captain and was a supporter of his..then I woke up..lol
 
the Great Khan said:
ill let you in on a secret. Do you see that minor Qotw win I got? it was because I defended Malik when he got made captain and was a supporter of his..then I woke up..lol
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You can give me your QOTW if you're ashamed of it that bad :yk I will add it to my pot of gold:

1xPOTW
2xTime Pass POTW
To be 1X QOTW

Total = 4x World Champion, 12 more titles away from tying The Nature Boy Ric Flair WOOO! WOOO!

Malikg on his way to the Champions Trophy:

200.webp


Look, I've not been his biggest fan either but he is justifying his selection. Sure it's unfortunate that a player who has been given many chances since 1999 has not delivered, there have been hiccups in between but at the end of the day the onus has been on Malik. But he is scoring runs at present, doesn't that matter to you? well you will say that he will fail in the CT and is bashing weaker teams at present but you can only beat what is put before you and there are other members of the team who've not found it so easy despite the fact that we have faced these weaker teams.

Regardless of what happens at the CT his selection for that tournament is justified (with him being one of our best bats in the ODI format) so the criticisms and disgust every time he does well doesn't make sense to me because Pakistan are to benefit, also understand that partly due to his weak team bashing we're in a position to qualify automatically for WC as well.....not something to be taken for granted when it comes to the ODI Pakistani team.
 
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Gabbar Singh said:
Since his 2015 comeback Malik averages 58 in odis at a strike rate of 101.
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Expected given the man's been playing since 1999. If only some of our youngsters had 18 years to prove their worth.

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] - why do you want Malik back in the Test team ? He couldn't hack it the first time, and that was when he was captain and in his prime.

Let's see what he does in Champions Trophy against TOP teams not our punching bags like West Indies, Sri Lanka and Zimbabwe against whom even Hafeez looks like a semi-competent bat.

[MENTION=42489]Black Zero[/MENTION] - yes the Cardiff innings was a good one but it was a dead rubber. Shame Malik couldn't turn up when the series was live.
 
Black Zero said:
1- correction 42*
2- Malik had avg of 68, which was highest for Pakistan, what (and who) was the second highest avg?
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Opposite number, from the opposite team... we can't obsess on an average of 68 when there were other top performers who performed better than Malik.. a couple of not outs do boost the innings, but it also fails to show how terribly pedestrian Malik was besides his 40 in one game... and that also included a dropped catch off Pattinson
 
Markhor said:
Expected given the man's been playing since 1999. If only some of our youngsters had 18 years to prove their worth.

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] - why do you want Malik back in the Test team ? He couldn't hack it the first time, and that was when he was captain and in his prime.

Let's see what he does in Champions Trophy against TOP teams not our punching bags like West Indies, Sri Lanka and Zimbabwe against whom even Hafeez looks like a semi-competent bat.

[MENTION=42489]Black Zero[/MENTION] - yes the Cardiff innings was a good one but it was a dead rubber. Shame Malik couldn't turn up when the series was live.
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What's the point of being bitter about the past when he is scoring runs now? it has been 18 long years! doesn't that say a lot about the PCB and our cricket in general? is it Malik's fault that even after 18 years there is not someone who we can say without a doubt will do a better job then him in the CT or surpass his performances over the last 12 months or match them at the very least?

I mean what would you like? for him to be dropped now? who would you suggest we replace him with in the CT
 
Malik's last champions trophy 2013 outing in England yielded the following numbers :

0(4) vs WI
8(29) vs SA
17(23) vs Ind

We are expecting the guy who has hardly ever performed in a World tournaments (except 2009 CT game vs India) to do wonders for us..
 
waleed88 said:
Opposite number, from the opposite team... we can't obsess on an average of 68 when there were other top performers who performed better than Malik.. a couple of not outs do boost the innings, but it also fails to show how terribly pedestrian Malik was besides his 40 in one game... and that also included a dropped catch off Pattinson
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What a tragedy that:
- Pakistani batsmen (except Malik) averaged vs Aus so low
- Opposing fielder drop Malik's catches.
 
waleed88 said:
Malik's last champions trophy 2013 outing in England yielded the following numbers :

0(4) vs WI
8(29) vs SA
17(23) vs Ind

We are expecting the guy who has hardly ever performed in a World tournaments (except 2009 CT game vs India) to do wonders for us..
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Misbah was the captain.
 
Markhor said:
Out of curiosity, what is the average omitting Bangladesh, Zimbabwe and Associates ?
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I have not checked cause it's meaning-less as ICC are not going to omit/include as per our desires.
It's so subjective, one can ask what is his avg against our main rival India in CTs..
 
When Malik has to face teams of top quality... South Africa, Australia, England, Ireland(for that matter)
 
shaz619 said:
I like reading [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] detailed posts, he is the Ric Flair of PP; by the time he retires should have at least 16 POTW wins :)) 16 time champ!

Just to add to your post, besides the distinction between the past and present era's the conditions generally in England are a lot better for batting, the summers are not as wet, the new drainage systems allow for flat conditions to an extent with a fair amount in the wicket for spin and the UK groundsman tend to be amongst the best in the world so all round we can expect something sporting. However, he'll have to deal with a bit more bounce then usual so that will be a challenge but generally the stars are in his favour given his form as well so you'd expect him to do well. However, beyond the CT I don't have much confidence in him due to his age but expect him to be selected until then at the very least.
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Overall batting condition in UK has improved lot, for which now we can see 350+ scores almost a regular feature in English Domestic & International LOs. Also, by 2019, there could be several D/N fixtures, which should normalize the early start factor of an English morning. To his benefit, English ODI grounds these days are much smaller than what it was till a decade back, when often the inner fence used to be the boundary - this'll help Malik pulling SIX for 60 metres, instead of 70.

Regarding 2019 WC, you might haven't noticed that I mentioned he'll be 38 in WC of JUN-JUL 2019, after registered to be born in FEB 1982 .......... business usual, I would have written 41-42 :); so, I do believe he'll be in good shape till next WC, and still fitter than most squad members, if not the fittest like now. Bounce is a problem, even now it is, but still he is playing at 60/100 stats since come back - even 40/85 will be fine in 2019 for PAK No. 5. PAK can afford couple of single digit scores against AUS & NZ from him, because that's only 2 of 9 matches (Those who are concern about his game against bounce won't mention SAF, even in their slip of tongue, I can guarantee you :().
 
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waleed88 said:
Malik has always made it to a big score with some help from the fielders.. which is why I daresay he only has 9 100s to show for his efforts in a career span of 17 years
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Yes, I also have noticed that.

He is absolutely rubbish is converting hundreds batting anywhere below 4. However, he has 8 hundreds in 78 innings batting at 1, 2, 3 & 4, which actually is a better conversion than Anwar or Tendulkar, but we can ignore that for the sake of proper spirit in this argument.
 
waleed88 said:
When Malik has to face teams of top quality... South Africa, Australia, England, Ireland(for that matter)
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now you talking
any match against these sides...
or
any match against these sides in World Cup/CT
or
any match against these sides in World Cup/CT played in non-Asian-non-WI?
 
Black Zero said:
now you talking
any match against these sides...
or
any match against these sides in World Cup/CT
or
any match against these sides in World Cup/CT played in non-Asian-non-WI?
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World Cup/CT - any tournament (ODIs)
 
MMHS said:
Yes, I also have noticed that.

He is absolutely rubbish is converting hundreds batting anywhere below 4. However, he has 8 hundreds in 78 innings batting at 1, 2, 3 & 4, which actually is a better conversion than Anwar or Tendulkar, but we can ignore that for the sake of proper spirit in this argument.
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Ofcourse its really smart to compare a guy and call him better at conversion than those who have twice as many hundreds, or 4 times as many hundreds as the former...

But I will also ignore that in the proper spirit in this arguement
 
waleed88 said:
Ofcourse its really smart to compare a guy and call him better at conversion than those who have twice as many hundreds, or 4 times as many hundreds as the former...

But I will also ignore that in the proper spirit in this arguement
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You are mixing volume with rate.

Don't you think it'll be a bit too much ask for Malik to match Saeed's number of hundreds with less than 1/3rd of innings?
 
MMHS said:
You are mixing volume with rate.

Don't you think it'll be a bit too much ask for Malik to match Saeed's number of hundreds with less than 1/3rd of innings?
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I don't get your point...

Malik no. of innings... 224

Anwar - 244
 
Lol and then I'm the one who his abused when I said Hafeez has more ODI 100's than Inzamam.. so he must be doing something right
 
You simply can't argue with Malik haters. They will keep hating, Time for Malik to shut them once and for all in CT2017.
 
Wow Malik finally scored an innings of note in a chase against s woeful opponent... that too after 19 years.
 
waleed88 said:
I don't get your point...

Malik no. of innings... 224

Anwar - 244
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I never thought that at this level I'll have to explain someone what's the difference between batting in top 4 & lower in a game limited by overs, when it comes to conversion of hundreds. Now I understand, from which school that comparison of MoHa Vs Inzi comes.

Since you asked for it -

Clive Lloyd : 1 hundred, 87 innings
Michel Bevan : 6 hundreds, 196 innings
Arjuna Ranatunga : 4 hundreds, 255 innings
Allen Border : 3 hundreds, 252 innings

Shoaib Malik : 9 hundreds, 224 innings ......................

:(:(:(:(:(
 
MMHS said:
I never thought that at this level I'll have to explain someone what's the difference between batting in top 4 & lower in a game limited by overs, when it comes to conversion of hundreds. Now I understand, from which school that comparison of MoHa Vs Inzi comes.

Since you asked for it -

Clive Lloyd : 1 hundred, 87 innings
Michel Bevan : 6 hundreds, 196 innings
Arjuna Ranatunga : 4 hundreds, 255 innings
Allen Border : 3 hundreds, 252 innings

Shoaib Malik : 9 hundreds, 224 innings ......................

:(:(:(:(:(
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OH yes, I forgot the 'Malik was a world beater in the making' arguement, but he couldn't perform because he was shuffled everywhere from 1-11..

Lets not forget, Malik was the blue eyed boy during Inzi's reign, and chosen one for Pakistan cricket after 2007 debacle... 7-8 years of exposure all around the world till 2009 and he could only manage 7 centuries and not even 1 50 in International test matches (foreign conditions Eng, Aus,SA).. (this stat was produced in Geo news)

So lets not play the victim card here..

He was the most invested player along with Salman Butt during Inzamam's reign... he tried his best to accomodate him throughout his tenure and removed very good players like Asim Kamal to accomodate him
 
Pete Rose said:
4 failures in England last year + 4 failures in Australia = but hey who among us is not guilty of cashing when chasing low totals or playing lowly teams
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4 failures in England? Agree. But where are the 4 failures in Australia?? Scores of 42*, 39, 47 and 10*(retired hurt) are failures?

Love how people can make up numbers to try and put down performing players..
 
aloo paratha said:
4 failures in England? Agree. But where are the 4 failures in Australia?? Scores of 42*, 39, 47 and 10*(retired hurt) are failures?

Love how people can make up numbers to try and put down performing players..
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Yes a failiure if you are scoring 40s on a 350 wicket...
 
Haters can keep whining about what he did 10 years ago, but it's irrelevant now, the fact is he's scoring runs and merits a spot in the team.
 
waleed88 said:
Yes a failiure if you are scoring 40s on a 350 wicket...
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You are acting like the rest of the team are world class and Malik is a weak link.

1st game: Second highest scorer on Pak team with PP darling Babar scoring a stinking 34 a SR of 69
2nd game: Joint third highest scorer
3rd game: Second highest scorer again

Now it's time for you to 1) make stuff up 2) bring up records from 10+ years ago 3) switch the argument to another series.
 
waleed88 said:
OH yes, I forgot the 'Malik was a world beater in the making' arguement, but he couldn't perform because he was shuffled everywhere from 1-11..

Lets not forget, Malik was the blue eyed boy during Inzi's reign, and chosen one for Pakistan cricket after 2007 debacle... 7-8 years of exposure all around the world till 2009 and he could only manage 7 centuries and not even 1 50 in International test matches (foreign conditions Eng, Aus,SA).. (this stat was produced in Geo news)

So lets not play the victim card here..

He was the most invested player along with Salman Butt during Inzamam's reign... he tried his best to accomodate him throughout his tenure and removed very good players like Asim Kamal to accomodate him
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I am not sure, if you are trying to call bamboo to yourself for fun of it or really such ignorant. Malik was ousted from Captaincy I believe in JAN 2009 - at that point, his career stats shows

140+ matches, 4K+ runs at 36/80 & 100+ wickets at 35/4.5 + 50+ catches.............

Then you bring Asim Kamal .........:(

Rest part of your post is childish ........... not worth discussing.
 
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Whether it's Malik or Hafeez or kamran: I don't really differentiate. These guys have never won us anything of note and neither they will in the future. But it's sure provides an industry for ppl the justify how the top of the garbage heap that is Pakistans limited batting order, is a position worth debating endlessly.
If ever there was a need to 'drain the swamp' now is the time.
But of course we don't do that. After our fair accompali destruction at the champions trophy we can devote more threads to discuss who was less garbage than the other
 
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