Shoaib Malik Support & Performance Watch

[ExpressPacer]

Absolutely gun player. He has been world class ever since his comeback. I seriously hope he can take his ODI average to 40. He richly deserves to be considered a great!

 

[babajee]

Absolutely gun player. He has been world class ever since his comeback. I seriously hope he can take his ODI average to 40. He richly deserves to be considered a great!

You sound like Rameez

 

[asadee]

You sound like Rameez

Need to throw in the word "operator" there

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Another match winning innings by Shobby today. Well played.

 

[ethan hunt]

Very underrated by Pakistani fans.
He record since the 2015 worldcup is as good aa anyone in limited overs cricket .
One of the best batsmen against spin in the world at present and possibily the nicest guy in the team .
Has his problems against pace but that is to be expected from someone who started his career as a bowler.
Deserves a lot more respect.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

@thegreatkhan ,

Have you been won over yet?

 

[waleed88]

Very underrated by Pakistani fans.
He record since the 2015 worldcup is as good aa anyone in limited overs cricket .
One of the best batsmen against spin in the world at present and possibily the nicest guy in the team .
Has his problems against pace but that is to be expected from someone who started his career as a bowler.
Deserves a lot more respect.

He averages in 50s where batsmen like Kohli and ABD and Smith are touching 90,80,70 mark respectively. That is perspective for you.

 

[Syed1]

I still maintain, Malik 2.0 is the greatest ODI batsman in our history. I didn't witness Zaheer or Maindad but I'm sure they wouldn't have had the kind of run that Malko has had over the past two years otherwise it would have shown in their stats. I did witness Inzi, Anwar, Moyo and although they had their peaks they never were as consistent as Malik 2.0

Infact most people from late 90s early 2000s will attest to the fact that these batsmen were a source of occasional and often misery for Pakistani fans.

 

[UN talkz]

Malik is a gem

 

[Mamoon]

It doesn't matter how well he is performing these days, and how important he is to the team. The fact is that in two years time, he will be too old to perform at the World Cup which is why he should be dropped now.

Regards,

PPers

 

[Black Zero]

It doesn't matter how well he is performing these days, and how important he is to the team. The fact is that in two years time, he will be too old to perform at the World Cup which is why he should be dropped now.

Regards,

PPers

The fact is that this post tells more about you than about Malik.
Embarrassing indeed.

 

[Black Zero]

I still maintain, Malik 2.0 is the greatest ODI batsman in our history. I didn't witness Zaheer or Maindad but I'm sure they wouldn't have had the kind of run that Malko has had over the past two years otherwise it would have shown in their stats. I did witness Inzi, Anwar, Moyo and although they had their peaks they never were as consistent as Malik 2.0

Infact most people from late 90s early 2000s will attest to the fact that these batsmen were a source of occasional and often misery for Pakistani fans.

Miandad got the world record for having consecutive 50+ scores in odi:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/wi/content/records/283044.html

But Miandad scored at much lower SR.

 

[coy0607]

his turnaround from who he was 10 years ago to today has been spectacular!

his game and even more so his attitude.

might be my favorite player in the Pakistani team now- he needs to keep his form till the 19 WC

 

[Black Zero]

He averages in 50s where batsmen like Kohli and ABD and Smith are touching 90,80,70 mark respectively. That is perspective for you.

Pretty dumb perspective as he should be compared with batsmen coming at his number.

 

[Abdul]

The fact is that this post tells more about you than about Malik.
Embarrassing indeed.

What? He's defending Malik.

 

[Mamoon]

The fact is that this post tells more about you than about Malik.
Embarrassing indeed.

You misread the googly.

 

[waleed88]

Pretty dumb perspective as he should be compared with batsmen coming at his number.

Malik on average always get 20-30 overs as a middle order batsman enough time to score a century, and when he doesn't he makes sure he gets a not out to boost himself. Any guesses why he was an absentee in CT despite his prolific run scoring?? Despite getting plenty of overs at a time.

In an era where averaging 60 is a norm for any top level world class batsman, Malik is still subpar..

 

[big_gamer007]

Top notch player very under rated by Ppers here.. Would realise his worth when he retires..

 

[Black Zero]

Malik on average always get 20-30 overs as a middle order batsman enough time to score a century, and when he doesn't he makes sure he gets a not out to boost himself. Any guesses why he was an absentee in CT despite his prolific run scoring?? Despite getting plenty of overs at a time.

In an era where averaging 60 is a norm for any top level world class batsman, Malik is still subpar..

Why not just compare him wrt to his batting position so that we do not waste time beating around the bush?

 

[Black Zero]

You misread the googly.

Apologies in this case then.

 

[Sirris]

It's either Hafeez or Malik. There's no way both of them can be in the team, especially not in T20Is. Malik over Hafeez so far. Malik needs to continue positive cricket and deliver against the big guys when the pressure is on.

 

[waleed88]

Why not just compare him wrt to his batting position so that we do not waste time beating around the bush?

If you wanna be the best in the world you wanna be compared to the best, point is he is way off from being even in the top 10 despite what his fans might call 'ATG performances'

 

[Black Zero]

If you wanna be the best in the world you wanna be compared to the best, point is he is way off from being even in the top 10 despite what his fans might call 'ATG performances'

It's clear to most that you're refusing to be objective and/or reasonable.
After you bring the word "perspective" so its sad that suddenly you do not want to see the things in their proper perspective.

Consider,
What can we say, if someone defines the term "best" as per his own liking and insists upon comparing odi avg with test avg?

 

[Mobashir]

Malik is in great touch. Hope it continues. His offbreaks are also not fully utilized.

 

[aloo paratha]

Our best LOI batsmen, dynamic, and good under pressure.

 

[Rana]

Hes generated about $3000 just from awards today

 

[MMHS]

I don't read much about Malik's heroics any more these days - 343 at WACA, 256 at MCG, 319 at J'burg ........ may be cricket itself has fitted into his "technique".

 

[Haz95]

Malik is a top performer in bilateral, I was a big supporter when he made is post 2015 comeback. However I was thoroughly disappointed by his failures in the CT. He is still the best and only deserving senior in the team who actually provides experience, so I can see why he's in the team till WC.

 

[darksher]

While his performances since WC 2015 have been generally good and translated into wins but he has failed to deliver the goods on big occasions, CT being a prime example, which makes him a bottler. He has inflated his stats against mediocre oppositions and I can't recall a noteworthy performance from him in big tournaments, and that I'm afraid will continue to be the case in the foreseeable future.

 

[darksher]

Its an established fact that most PPers always go gaga on futile exhibition of brilliance against a weak opposition and elevate a player's status to high heavens instead of looking at the big picture, Malik is no different.

As said above, one of Malik and Hafeez (preferably both) needs to go before WC 2019 to permanently vacate position for a younger and to give him enough exposure at international level before the big test arrives but sadly it will not happen.

Malik and Hafeez being senior duo will continue to rob the team of fulfilling its true potential with an odd occasional flash of brilliance against poor teams to cement their places till the WC.

 

[MRSN]

Malik is a top performer in bilateral, I was a big supporter when he made is post 2015 comeback. However I was thoroughly disappointed by his failures in the CT. He is still the best and only deserving senior in the team who actually provides experience, so I can see why he's in the team till WC.

What were his scores in our last bilateral series against England and Aus?

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Malik unlike Hafeez actually showed up in our only two wins in Australia and England(series).

 

[hadi123]

Played a good innings today. Amazing player since his 2015 comeback, no idea why he struggled so badly before then. Also his bowling is under used.

 

[DRsohail]

I don't read much about Malik's heroics any more these days - 343 at WACA, 256 at MCG, 319 at J'burg ........ may be cricket itself has fitted into his "technique".

u cant take away credit froom him,he has the role to play and i think he should play 2019 wc and 2020 wc provided hafiz is banned otherwise one of them can play and u know who will.

 

[Black Zero]

I don't read much about Malik's heroics any more these days - 343 at WACA, 256 at MCG, 319 at J'burg ........ may be cricket itself has fitted into his "technique".

Yep, Malik should perform per your analysis/predictions.

 

[Abdullah719]

Yep, Malik should perform per your analysis/predictions.

I think you missed the point (again).

 

[Mueez]

Malik saab is getting better day by day!

 

[MMHS]

Yep, Malik should perform per your analysis/predictions.

After googly, you missed the dushra as well in same innings!!!!!!

 

[waleed88]

It's clear to most that you're refusing to be objective and/or reasonable.
After you bring the word "perspective" so its sad that suddenly you do not want to see the things in their proper perspective.

Consider,
What can we say, if someone defines the term "best" as per his own liking and insists upon comparing odi avg with test avg?

I've debated with you long enough about Malik to know that you will defend Malik by his a) position in the batting order 2) Stats compared to him playing at his position 3) Treated unfairly under Misbah era
4) Defend his big tournament performances by giving example of CT 2009 knock vs INdia

 

[Haz95]

What were his scores in our last bilateral series against England and Aus?

Finished off the only won chase in Aus and was involved in a 150+ partnership in England for the only win there. Meanwhile the devils Misbah and Mickey began the regime of drinking water instead of cokes, forcing Umar Akmal to get obese and fail to cross 50+ 10 innings in a row before finally getting dropped .

 

[waleed88]

Finished off the only won chase in Aus and was involved in a 150+ partnership in England for the only win there. Meanwhile the devils Misbah and Mickey began the regime of drinking water instead of cokes, forcing Umar Akmal to get obese and fail to cross 50+ 10 innings in a row before finally getting dropped .

Chasing 225 on those flat aussie wickets isn't a big deal, specially if you are doing in the 48th over.

 

[Haz95]

Chasing 225 on those flat aussie wickets isn't a big deal, specially if you are doing in the 48th over.

Winning a match in Australia is a big ask for Pakistan. Historically they've been hopeless there. Players like Sarfraz and Malik, while not amazing in their primary suits, more than make up for it in others, e.g. captaincy. There's no other batsman to learn/partner from in ODIs in Pakistan than Malik (only person who's actually a better batting partner is YK in tests). Besides, he helped chase 300 in England so it's not all doom and gloom.

I don't see Malik singlehandedly guiding a chase of 330+ but he can definitely provide support providing players like Fakhar or Faheem fire.

 

[waleed88]

Winning a match in Australia is a big ask for Pakistan. Historically they've been hopeless there. Players like Sarfraz and Malik, while not amazing in their primary suits, more than make up for it in others, e.g. captaincy. There's no other batsman to learn/partner from in ODIs in Pakistan than Malik (only person who's actually a better batting partner is YK in tests). Besides, he helped chase 300 in England so it's not all doom and gloom.

I don't see Malik singlehandedly guiding a chase of 330+ but he can definitely provide support providing players like Fakhar or Faheem fire.

Historically of which Malik has been part of all previous 3 tours in Aus, Test matches (last 2) and ODIs, care to give me his stats for that? In 15 matches if you produce one chase of such a paltry total and his fans still have the guts to justify that

 

[Haz95]

Historically of which Malik has been part of all previous 3 tours in Aus, Test matches (last 2) and ODIs, care to give me his stats for that? In 15 matches if you produce one chase of such a paltry total and his fans still have the guts to justify that

1) I wasn't talking about previous games, am talking post 2015
2) am not his fan, I criticised his failures in CT and wouldn't be surprised if he fails again
3) You're mentioning test matches?
4) He's provided pakistan their only wins in bilaterals in Eng and Aus post comeback.

I don't uses biases or agendas against individuals to justify my viewpoints. Anyway, time for you to sulk a bit more, Babar Azam is 4th ranked in ODIs while Mohammed Amir took 4-13 today

 

[waleed88]

1) I wasn't talking about previous games, am talking post 2015
2) am not his fan, I criticised his failures in CT and wouldn't be surprised if he fails again
3) You're mentioning test matches?
4) He's provided pakistan their only wins in bilaterals in Eng and Aus post comeback.

I don't uses biases or agendas against individuals to justify my viewpoints. Anyway, time for you to sulk a bit more, Babar Azam is 4th ranked in ODIs while Mohammed Amir took 4-13 today

ODIs and t20s mostly.

I think that was Sarfraz that provided the win vs England with Malik taking on part timers most of the time..

Mohammad Amir bowled well, but have you seen his empty colums in test matches?? Which is what I mostly referred to for his bowling.

Funny you have to mention ODI rankings when we are playing t20s

It just goes to show how these names have the free hand to justify their place in the side by just playing well in 1/3 formats they play in. Coast and enjoy, criticism free, zero accountability, all 3 formats, no questions asked at all. Even if you perform in one format you will always remain special no matter what you do... Ridiculous

 

[Haz95]

ODIs and t20s mostly.

I think that was Sarfraz that provided the win vs England with Malik taking on part timers most of the time..

Mohammad Amir bowled well, but have you seen his empty colums in test matches?? Which is what I mostly referred to for his bowling.

Funny you have to mention ODI rankings when we are playing t20s

It just goes to show how these names have the free hand to justify their place in the side by just playing well in 1/3 formats they play in. Coast and enjoy, criticism free, zero accountability, all 3 formats, no questions asked at all. Even if you perform in one format you will always remain special no matter what you do... Ridiculous

The last tour was strictly ODIs so I don't understand the point of mentioning previous ones, especially ones where Malik was horrendous. No one here but you is arguing for/against Malik being good pre 2015, he was worse than your posts. Mohammed Amir is a bowler who turns it on when he wants or still does well as support/defense, so long as he keeps turning it on in big match games and bowls decent overall, there's nothing to complain about. He gives his all when stakes are high and is still the best natural pace bowler in Pakistan.

I'm not here to discuss tests, it's only you who is doing so. Amir and Malik have both performed in ODIs/T20Is and there isn't much you can do about that other than sulk, so please continue sulking.

 

[waleed88]

The last tour was strictly ODIs so I don't understand the point of mentioning previous ones, especially ones where Malik was horrendous. No one here but you is arguing for/against Malik being good pre 2015, he was worse than your posts. Mohammed Amir is a bowler who turns it on when he wants or still does well as support/defense, so long as he keeps turning it on in big match games and bowls decent overall, there's nothing to complain about. He gives his all when stakes are high and is still the best natural pace bowler in Pakistan.

I'm not here to discuss tests, it's only you who is doing so. Amir and Malik have both performed in ODIs/T20Is and there isn't much you can do about that other than sulk, so please continue sulking.

Yes he turns it on in big matches, once every year, the rest of the time he prefers bowling wicketless. What a legend we have

Also please stick to the thread.

This was criticism on Malik, and you agree with me that he was pathetic pre 2015 so I have nothing more to say. In addition to him winning us a game in Aus (which was the bowlers making actually) don't think he can alone be credited for that win as Hafeez, Junaid Amir all performed in that game.

 

[Haz95]

Yes he turns it on in big matches, once every year, the rest of the time he prefers bowling wicketless. What a legend we have

Also please stick to the thread.

This was criticism on Malik, and you agree with me that he was pathetic pre 2015 so I have nothing more to say. In addition to him winning us a game in Aus (which was the bowlers making actually) don't think he can alone be credited for that win as Hafeez, Junaid Amir all performed in that game.

Yes and most cricket fans only watch the big matches, no one cares much about bilaterals unless an uncapped player is beginning, playing at home or something. Him bowling defensive wicketless still helps maintain pressure and he can lead the pack when he wishes too.

And are you inept or something ? Your criticism was when you said that Malik beating Aus due to low score wasn't a big deal. Nothing to do with pre 2015 till you decided to randomly bring it in because your initial argument was null.

 

[waleed88]

Yes and most cricket fans only watch the big matches, no one cares much about bilaterals unless an uncapped player is beginning, playing at home or something. Him bowling defensive wicketless still helps maintain pressure and he can lead the pack when he wishes too.

And are you inept or something ? Your criticism was when you said that Malik beating Aus due to low score wasn't a big deal. Nothing to do with pre 2015 till you decided to randomly bring it in because your initial argument was null.

My point was always the same, Malik has been pretty crap, and the 2 International tournaments he has played he has been a failure in both. He was a failure in England and Aus most of the time. He has a healthy average of 50 in ODIs, but compared to some of the other top players who average around the 80s in 2 years Malik played, Malik's average is peanuts.

 

[Black Zero]

With today's MoS and MoM awards, now Malik got:

T20I

3 MoS
4 MoM


in addition to 5 MoS and 18 MoM in ODIs

 

[Black Zero]

After googly, you missed the dushra as well in same innings!!!!!!

Well he does not have the technique to impress purest.

 

[Haz95]

My point was always the same, Malik has been pretty crap, and the 2 International tournaments he has played he has been a failure in both. He was a failure in England and Aus most of the time. He has a healthy average of 50 in ODIs, but compared to some of the other top players who average around the 80s in 2 years Malik played, Malik's average is peanuts.

lol what is the lunacy man seriously )? You're here being Anti-Malik because he doesn't average the same as Virat Kohli or David Warner? Please list someone in Pakistan who will?

I repeat what I initially said so you can get it in your head, altho even this way roung you're probably gonna struggle. Malik was disappointing in the CT, probably wont do well in the WC either but what he is very good for is:

1) Guiding youngsters. Best senior in Pakistan who can actually claim experience.
2) Useful in bilaterals, goes hand in hand with development of youngsters.
3) Is the best innings builder in the team and a good example of modern middle order batting.
4) Among the best players of spin, if not the best in the world.

 

[Black Zero]

I've debated with you long enough about Malik to know that you will defend Malik by his a) position in the batting order 2) Stats compared to him playing at his position 3) Treated unfairly under Misbah era
4) Defend his big tournament performances by giving example of CT 2009 knock vs INdia

so you saying that bating position is irrelevant?

 

[waleed88]

so you saying that bating position is irrelevant?

Yes great players can score great from any position, MSD of the youth is an example.

 

[waleed88]

lol what is the lunacy man seriously )? You're here being Anti-Malik because he doesn't average the same as Virat Kohli or David Warner? Please list someone in Pakistan who will?

I repeat what I initially said so you can get it in your head, altho even this way roung you're probably gonna struggle. Malik was disappointing in the CT, probably wont do well in the WC either but what he is very good for is:

1) Guiding youngsters. Best senior in Pakistan who can actually claim experience.
2) Useful in bilaterals, goes hand in hand with development of youngsters.
3) Is the best innings builder in the team and a good example of modern middle order batting.
4) Among the best players of spin, if not the best in the world.

Yes we should credit the CT turnaround for Malik's 'motivating, and in depth speech' which was crucial in turning things around.., one of the posters even credited it more than Sarf's captaincy. The lunacy that you hear from some Malik fans.

Modern limited ODI batsman playing since the not so modern 1999

 

[waleed88]

Just for info sake : During the time span of Malik's International career, Shadab Khan has been born in Mianwali, grew up, probably passed his matric/fsc, played PSL, played International cricket, performed in the CT 2017 final, and still Malik hasn't learnt how to face fast bowling, or learnt to perform in a global tournament.

 

[Black Zero]

Yes great players can score great from any position, MSD of the youth is an example.

Below table shows the average for each batting position for all the ODI matches ever played:

1-2 32.86
3 34.27
4 35.20
5 31.49
6 27.35
7 21.76
8 17.23
9 13.33
10 10.31
11 7.49


And Malik played 60% of his matches at 5-->10 position, and ~90% of his centuries came from #1 to #4 slots.

and so far no one has scored 100 at position 8-11.

I think that I have proved you wrong.

 

[Black Zero]

Just for info sake : During the time span of Malik's International career, Shadab Khan has been born in Mianwali, grew up, probably passed his matric/fsc, played PSL, played International cricket, performed in the CT 2017 final, and still Malik hasn't learnt how to face fast bowling, or learnt to perform in a global tournament.

 

[waleed88]

Below table shows the average for each batting position for all the ODI matches ever played:

1-2 32.86
3 34.27
4 35.20
5 31.49
6 27.35
7 21.76
8 17.23
9 13.33
10 10.31
11 7.49


And Malik played 60% of his matches at 5-->10 position, and ~90% of his centuries came from #1 to #4 slots.

and so far no one has scored 100 at position 8-11.

I think that I have proved you wrong.


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Why did you wait so long to give this justification? Haven't you given this enough times on this thread alone?

 

[Black Zero]

Why did you wait so long to give this justification? Haven't you given this enough times on this thread alone?

Actually one question is still pending on me, about "where was Malik in CT":

 

[waleed88]

Actually one question is still pending on me, about "where was Malik in CT":

I've debated with you long enough about Malik to know that you will defend Malik by his a) position in the batting order 2) Stats compared to him playing at his position 3) Treated unfairly under Misbah era
4) Defend his big tournament performances by giving example of CT 2009 knock vs INdia

You just did two of the things I told you, you would do...

I think you just proved my point

 

[Black Zero]

I've debated with you long enough about Malik to know that you will defend Malik by his a) position in the batting order 2) Stats compared to him playing at his position 3) Treated unfairly under Misbah era
4) Defend his big tournament performances by giving example of CT 2009 knock vs INdia

You just did two of the things I told you, you would do...

I think you just proved my point

SM came at #6 and scored 82 at SR of 200 against fast bowling of SA:

Great Player

 

[MRSN]

Finished off the only won chase in Aus and was involved in a 150+ partnership in England for the only win there. Meanwhile the devils Misbah and Mickey began the regime of drinking water instead of cokes, forcing Umar Akmal to get obese and fail to cross 50+ 10 innings in a row before finally getting dropped .

so in ten games he only showed up twice?that too once when the total was low and we are talking about game when even Hafeez played a match winning cameo. We are talking about 20 years of experience and you had to bring 2 notable performances to make a case for him. You also know he went missing in the champions trophy and it was juniors plus our bowling that made Pakistan champions.

When a player has been around for 20 years and has the tag of most experienced batsman in this young team he doesn't have an excuse to fail against quality bowling sides which we know he will. He is still good enough to smash the likes of Sri Lankan,WI and Zim. When he will face Aus,Eng,NZ and SA he will be back to his normal performance. So what is changed and what's the point of carrying such 'experienced players' if they won't show up against better attacks?

As I have said it before, winning this champions trophy has extended careers of Hafeez and Malik whose chapters were about to be closed post CT.

 

[Black Zero]

so in ten games he only showed up twice?that too once when the total was low and we are talking about game when even Hafeez played a match winning cameo. We are talking about 20 years of experience and you had to bring 2 notable performances to make a case for him. You also know he went missing in the champions trophy and it was juniors plus our bowling that made Pakistan champions.

When a player has been around for 20 years and has the tag of most experienced batsman in this young team he doesn't have an excuse to fail against quality bowling sides which we know he will. He is still good enough to smash the likes of Sri Lankan,WI and Zim. When he will face Aus,Eng,NZ and SA he will be back to his normal performance. So what is changed and what's the point of carrying such 'experienced players' if they won't show up against better attacks?

As I have said it before, winning this champions trophy has extended careers of Hafeez and Malik whose chapters were about to be closed post CT.

- Malik has a lower avg against BD if we compare his avg vs Aus.
- His avg vs SA is higher than his career avg.
- He has a low avg against Kenya


Basically, it's not about good or bad team.

 

[InziRules]

I'm still burning.

To soothe it I'll have to look at Malik batting in top 4 in defeats.

We can't surely have lost more matches then we won when Malik batted in top 4?

I mean no way Malik can average 10 in Sri Lanka, 14 in South Africa, 9 in England.

Cricinfo is messed up. It's database seems to show Malik averaging 18 vs Australia, 6.50 vs New Zealand, 10 vs South Africa.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...efault;result=2;template=results;type=batting

I guess if I was ******** I would say that this shows we only win when Malik performs, which isn't very often and that is why he should be in the team.

4 years on, and we won because Malik played another brilliant knock at his preferred position.

If #4 was such a great batting position for him, then why he didn't he bat at #4 when he was captain himself?????????????????? He had no clue what he was doing or.... you are again being best at your usual ABS?


Here.... his batting potions when he was captain!

Best ODI and T20 batsman currently. Now his position is normal. [MENTION=42489]Black Zero[/MENTION] was right all along

 

[Black Zero]

4 years on, and we won because Malik played another brilliant knock at his preferred position.



Best ODI and T20 batsman currently. Now his position is normal. [MENTION=42489]Black Zero[/MENTION] was right all along

Re: Miandadrules's point--avg at #4 in defeats...which proves the value of Malik being the backbone of team.

Both wins and defeats included, Malik avg ~41 at #4 and if we just consider wins, then its around 54.

Anyway, now is the time to give top slots to young players as now they do not get enough time to bat and build the inning.

 

[Khan12]

Need to get rid of him and Hafeez as soon as possible. Malik always looks good when we face the like of Sri Lanka, Westindies and Zimbabwe, but forgets how to bat outside SC same goes to Mr Hafeez

 

[super hitter]

Malik on average always get 20-30 overs as a middle order batsman enough time to score a century, and when he doesn't he makes sure he gets a not out to boost himself. Any guesses why he was an absentee in CT despite his prolific run scoring?? Despite getting plenty of overs at a time.

In an era where averaging 60 is a norm for any top level world class batsman, Malik is still subpar..

He's definitely not an ATG or something but man, are you even serious?

 

[shaz619]

Glad to see some consistency for the first time since 1999

 

[InziRules]

With Malik playing a part in two international trophies (Most for any Pakistani player), is his ATG status now assured?

 

[waleed88]

He's definitely not an ATG or something but man, are you even serious?

Yes not the overall average, but average in ODIs played in 2017, 2016 etc

 

[Black Zero]

Well, Malik avg 57.33 in last 12 months.

 

[InziRules]

Yes not the overall average, but average in ODIs played in 2017, 2016 etc

Won more world trophies than any other Pakistani player.......

 

[waleed88]

Won more world trophies than any other Pakistani player.......

Yea what was his part in those victories you should ask that too.

 

[Black Zero]

WC T20 2009 in wins:

30
4
4*
34
24*

 

[Haz95]

Yes we should credit the CT turnaround for Malik's 'motivating, and in depth speech' which was crucial in turning things around.., one of the posters even credited it more than Sarf's captaincy. The lunacy that you hear from some Malik fans.

Modern limited ODI batsman playing since the not so modern 1999

Did I credit the CT turn around to him or are you deliberately acting inept because you're horrible comprehension skills go hand in hand with your poor judgement and posts. I said he's a good role model and brings genuine experience as he's played domestics all around the world, understands the modern game. Yet you're here talking about how him being from the 90s makes him not understand the modern game. Like I said before, how YK was a brilliant Test partner, Malik is a brilliant ODI partner. He's the one who gave people like Haris Sohail opportunities and nurtured them. As a package, he's good to have around even tho he's not the best player. Like Sarfraz, again he's useful for non performance reasons, no matter how sad it is because its invaluable to youngsters. On the other hand you have phoneys like Hafeez who are bad company and will do anything to stay (unlike Malik who cleverly retired from tests knowing he doesn't bring much in that format).

so in ten games he only showed up twice?that too once when the total was low and we are talking about game when even Hafeez played a match winning cameo. We are talking about 20 years of experience and you had to bring 2 notable performances to make a case for him. You also know he went missing in the champions trophy and it was juniors plus our bowling that made Pakistan champions.

When a player has been around for 20 years and has the tag of most experienced batsman in this young team he doesn't have an excuse to fail against quality bowling sides which we know he will. He is still good enough to smash the likes of Sri Lankan,WI and Zim. When he will face Aus,Eng,NZ and SA he will be back to his normal performance. So what is changed and what's the point of carrying such 'experienced players' if they won't show up against better attacks?

As I have said it before, winning this champions trophy has extended careers of Hafeez and Malik whose chapters were about to be closed post CT.

I haven't called him a top player and I'm starting to get really tired saying it. Read above please. I didn't call him the reason for Pakistan winning CT, I credit the youngsters, I also know he failed in the CT (which was semi surprising). I'm not going to say why he justifies his spot in the team again.

'Experienced' players like Malik are good for player developments are good to be around. He's got fantastic fitness and understands the modern game. If your lala Umar used him as a role model and not his brother, maybe he wouldn't be where he's at now getting liposuction for excessive water drinking . You want clever cricketers like Shadab, Hasan, Amir, Fakhar and not brainless nonces like that Akmal clan, the Shehzads and whatnot who hit prettys 6s a couple dozen years ago. Chalaak cricketers who masquerade as 'experienced' like Hafeez are of no use either and should definitely be discarded since they provide nothing and are selfish.

 

[waleed88]

Did I credit the CT turn around to him or are you deliberately acting inept because you're horrible comprehension skills go hand in hand with your poor judgement and posts. I said he's a good role model and brings genuine experience as he's played domestics all around the world, understands the modern game. Yet you're here talking about how him being from the 90s makes him not understand the modern game. Like I said before, how YK was a brilliant Test partner, Malik is a brilliant ODI partner. He's the one who gave people like Haris Sohail opportunities and nurtured them. As a package, he's good to have around even tho he's not the best player. Like Sarfraz, again he's useful for non performance reasons, no matter how sad it is because its invaluable to youngsters. On the other hand you have phoneys like Hafeez who are bad company and will do anything to stay (unlike Malik who cleverly retired from tests knowing he doesn't bring much in that format).


I haven't called him a top player and I'm starting to get really tired saying it. Read above please. I didn't call him the reason for Pakistan winning CT, I credit the youngsters, I also know he failed in the CT (which was semi surprising). I'm not going to say why he justifies his spot in the team again.

'Experienced' players like Malik are good for player developments are good to be around. He's got fantastic fitness and understands the modern game. If your lala Umar used him as a role model and not his brother, maybe he wouldn't be where he's at now getting liposuction for excessive water drinking . You want clever cricketers like Shadab, Hasan, Amir, Fakhar and not brainless nonces like that Akmal clan, the Shehzads and whatnot who hit prettys 6s a couple dozen years ago. Chalaak cricketers who masquerade as 'experienced' like Hafeez are of no use either and should definitely be discarded since they provide nothing and are selfish.

You're only deflecting criticism from Malik by naming the Akmals to make Malik look good, you also said Malik is not 'World class', and if you read my initial post it was also about Malik 'not being World Class' so why are you getting offended then man? I said Malik is still way off the top names in cricket, which started this whole debate in the beginning with you and Black Zero. If he's not world class, then obviously he has some portion of his cricket that has some legitimate criticism associated with it. Get that point and stop defending just for the sake of it. Your post is self contradictory.

 

[Haz95]

You're only deflecting criticism from Malik by naming the Akmals to make Malik look good, you also said Malik is not 'World class', and if you read my initial post it was also about Malik 'not being World Class' so why are you getting offended then man? I said Malik is still way off the top names in cricket, which started this whole debate in the beginning with you and Black Zero. If he's not world class, then obviously he has some portion of his cricket that has some legitimate criticism associated with it. Get that point and stop defending just for the sake of it. Your post is self contradictory.

Why did you reply to my initial argument against the Akmal spokesperson? I'm not getting offended at all, I don't give a ratass who you are and what your motive is however it's frustrating when you keep going in circles. I'm not Black Zero who's the MRSN of Malik who would probably even justify Malik killing babies. I know what Maliks shortcomings are however they are not enough to overshadow his positives.

Here are some facts that you need to understand:

-Malik is a top performer in Bilaterals. He's a very good role model for fitness, ethic and understands what's required. This is vital for debutants and young players, especially when being nurtured in bilaterals. He knows his limits, if somethings out of his reach he won't waste balls, he'd play accordingly and get out if the opps are too good.
-He has his shortcomings which are- he's not amazing vs good bowling attacks, he also did poor in a tournament he should've done well in.
-In Pakistan's only wins away, he was among the runs (Babar needs to learn batting from him if he ever wants to be true elite). This is the post you replied to, I didn't claim he was world class.

 

[Pete Rose]

Tougher tests await. The PCB needs to pass a rule where these seniors have to sit out matches against Sri Lanka

 

[MRSN]

Did I credit the CT turn around to him or are you deliberately acting inept because you're horrible comprehension skills go hand in hand with your poor judgement and posts. I said he's a good role model and brings genuine experience as he's played domestics all around the world, understands the modern game. Yet you're here talking about how him being from the 90s makes him not understand the modern game. Like I said before, how YK was a brilliant Test partner, Malik is a brilliant ODI partner. He's the one who gave people like Haris Sohail opportunities and nurtured them. As a package, he's good to have around even tho he's not the best player. Like Sarfraz, again he's useful for non performance reasons, no matter how sad it is because its invaluable to youngsters. On the other hand you have phoneys like Hafeez who are bad company and will do anything to stay (unlike Malik who cleverly retired from tests knowing he doesn't bring much in that format).


I haven't called him a top player and I'm starting to get really tired saying it. Read above please. I didn't call him the reason for Pakistan winning CT, I credit the youngsters, I also know he failed in the CT (which was semi surprising). I'm not going to say why he justifies his spot in the team again.

'Experienced' players like Malik are good for player developments are good to be around. He's got fantastic fitness and understands the modern game. If your lala Umar used him as a role model and not his brother, maybe he wouldn't be where he's at now getting liposuction for excessive water drinking . You want clever cricketers like Shadab, Hasan, Amir, Fakhar and not brainless nonces like that Akmal clan, the Shehzads and whatnot who hit prettys 6s a couple dozen years ago. Chalaak cricketers who masquerade as 'experienced' like Hafeez are of no use either and should definitely be discarded since they provide nothing and are selfish.

Umar and Malik actually share one thing that they have really bad reputation as players due to various reasons and we know how hard it had been for Malik to make to a comeback despite being better ODI player than the likes of YK,Misbah,Hafeez,Asad who were prominent fixture of our ODI team from 2011 to 2015.

I have been a great fan of Malik in the past and Hafeez as well but problem with them is that they don't show up against quality bowling attacks. They share 35 years of experience now and even now they have to hide behind one off good performance against quality sides. Players with 'senior' tag lead from the front against quality teams which is missing in their batting.