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Should Malik be in the plans for the 2019 WC?

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Anwaar said:
Ordered by Player's name... ???
Regarding 100s and 50s..., i have discussed comprehensively in this thread with other posters and in brief with you...
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What is there to discuss????????????????????? That..... one 100 and 2 fifties are much much much much much much better than 5/6 100s and many many fifites?


Anwaar said:
To win a match you don't need hundreds, unless you average close to 100.
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Really.... Miandands, Pontingins, Sachins, Lara are such worthless piece of crap then? They keey scoring worthless 100s. Correct?


Anwaar said:
if you can score ~34+ with a very low CoV then you will win more matches for your country than someone who got high average (with lot of 100s) but with high CoV.
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...and one more time.... why do we neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed CoV, SoB ($hhit of the bull), FoC (full of crap) formulas to show Bradman Malik is better than Inzi, Yousuf, YK, Imran, Sachin, Dravid, Miandad????

I thought... a team needed 20 wickets with lesser team runs to win a match.....

Anyway..... we were talking about you Bradman's ability to score outside flat-track countries... since you whinged about his only 8 tests, I thought... let's compare him with other SC batsmen who have played 5-9 tests outside SC since 1999....... look where your Bradman is; :))

Tests:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=batting

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ODIs:
Just hos he compares with other Asian batsmen since 1999 outside SC. Just how pathetic he is....
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=batting

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Sorted by S/R:
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W63L35 said:
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As it was beyond you so I'll go slowly...

Q: For a batsman, what is the minimum score to ensure a win for his team?

(I kept the wordings open so that you have a wider ground to play with)
 
Anwaar said:
I understand his anger.
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Chor ki darhi main tinka!!!!!

Whole PP knows your frustration at Malik sitting in Dhaka carrying tennis kit bags! Me.... on the other hand... I could not be happier.... Malik is out and Afridi is leading. I am having my cake and the icing too! ;-)
 
W63L35 said:
Chor ki darhi main tinka!!!!!

Whole PP knows your frustration at Malik sitting in Dhaka carrying tennis kit bags! Me.... on the other hand... I could not be happier.... Malik is out and Afridi is leading. I am having my cake and the icing too! ;-)
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Would you mind answering few of the questions, posed to you, in this thread, while enjoying cake?

well congrats to you for winning a series against Bangladesh B team...and best of luck for bringing the WC home.
 
Sohaib Malik must be in the playing XI for WC.. Malik is far far better then Asad Shafiq, n master blaster of 'Tuk Tuk' sir Toka ala Misbah..... If the real BAHI of cricket K.Akmal can play then y not Malik??? shame on you Jahaz Butt.
 
Anwaar said:
well congrats to you for winning a series against Bangladesh B team...and best of luck for bringing the WC home.
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Same Bangladesh where your hero is carrying tennis kit bags and scoring 100s vs Bangaldeshi club cricketers.... to be in the form of his life........??? ;-)


Anwaar said:
and best of luck for bringing the WC home.
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Now with your best wishes (naik tammanain) behind Afridi ....I mean Pakistan team, it may not be impossible! :P

Anwaar said:
Would you mind answering few of the questions, posed to you, in this thread, while enjoying cake?
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Which question?? CoV, SoB, FoC question?
 
This thread is now like 3-repeat moves in a row stalemate

Both WL and Anwaar are just repeating same points again and again
 
*sallu* said:
This thread is now like 3-repeat moves in a row stalemate

Both WL and Anwaar are just repeating same points again and again
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To be fair I don't understand the purpose. Anwaar doesn't convince anyone that he's the new "bradman", or he even has a good record in tests (he could have potential to mature into a good test player, perhaps you could argue that but his test record is crap).

Conversely no one actually believes Malik is "bradman" status, so what's the point of W63L35 going to great extremes to challenge Anwaar's opinions. Heck even Anwaar doesn't actually believe Malik's the best test player in the world, it's more to do with the fact he believes he hasn't been given enough chances, and his previous test record merits more chances.

I don't understand all of Anwaar's stats he brings out. Convinces no one. All you look at is really the average. Which is pretty decent in ODIs, and crap in tests. One of the best stats is actually Malik's man of the awards in ODIs, he's got a lot of those which sort of proves that yes he does win matches. That and maybe his success in asia, and batting higher up the order. But the most repeated stat I see is the consistency of making 30 stat and how he's better than YK (which he's not by a long way). Which is a useless one and explains nothing.


W63L35 keeps bringing in the latest malik stats in every other post. Everyone's seen them about 50 times already. That's why he was dropped for goodness sake. He's done well in domestic cricket and fought hard to get back into the team. Whether you believe he deserves a place or not, you have to give him credit for good domestic performances (it's not particularly easy to be far away top performer in Pakistan's domestic tournament at all, it's quite an achievement).
 
*sallu* said:
This thread is now like 3-repeat moves in a row stalemate

Both WL and Anwaar are just repeating same points again and again
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Well, the problem is .... he keeps repeat the same question/points and keeps referening to his old CoVs, SoBs, FoCs over and over again..... and yet fails to explain very very very simple averages, 100s, 50s, S/Rs, performance our side SC etc.... which have been the measuring tools of the batsmen for over 100 years.

So... basically, if you ask the same question, you'll get the same answer.
 
will this thread ever die or is it like a star plus drama which in which after like 1200 episodes all the characters die and they have to get the program off air.
 
Why is Malik not getting clearance from the PCB? He seems like a perfect SC conditions player, but Hafeez has taken over that role of part time spinner and the middle order is strong at the moment. Only thing would be like drop Kami, Umar as keeper and Shoaib in...but obviously not happening.
 
The reason it carrys n is the dedication and love anwaar shows for Malik..I haven't seen Or heard such devotion for anybody since Romeo and Juliet!! Everytime we lose he bumps the thread up like a devoted wife defending her husband!!
 
Anwaar said:
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Would be interesting to know what his average would be if you take away the 128,which was a good innings but against a poor Indian bowling lineup.

EDIT :- 17.9 if you minus the flash in the pan 100 that usually wows the fanboys sufficiently to forget about his other failings.
 
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*sallu* said:
This thread is now like 3-repeat moves in a row stalemate

Both WL and Anwaar are just repeating same points again and again
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small difference
WL has one point while I presented couple of dozens.

another difference, i answer the queries

Plus I believe you have changed your stance on SM from the one u had a yr back.
 
ads101 said:
To be fair I don't understand the purpose. Anwaar doesn't convince anyone that he's the new "bradman", or he even has a good record in tests (he could have potential to mature into a good test player, perhaps you could argue that but his test record is crap).

I thought i convinced you!

Conversely no one actually believes Malik is "bradman" status, so what's the point of W63L35 going to great extremes to challenge Anwaar's opinions. Heck even Anwaar doesn't actually believe Malik's the best test player in the world, it's more to do with the fact he believes he hasn't been given enough chances, and his previous test record merits more chances.

I don't understand all of Anwaar's stats he brings out. Convinces no one. All you look at is really the average. Which is pretty decent in ODIs, and crap in tests. One of the best stats is actually Malik's man of the awards in ODIs, he's got a lot of those which sort of proves that yes he does win matches. That and maybe his success in asia, and batting higher up the order. But the most repeated stat I see is the consistency of making 30 stat and how he's better than YK (which he's not by a long way). Which is a useless one and explains nothing.

I wont mind if ppers get convinced but i presented stats for the purpose of "Hujat Tamam"

W63L35 keeps bringing in the latest malik stats in every other post. Everyone's seen them about 50 times already. That's why he was dropped for goodness sake. He's done well in domestic cricket and fought hard to get back into the team. Whether you believe he deserves a place or not, you have to give him credit for good domestic performances (it's not particularly easy to be far away top performer in Pakistan's domestic tournament at all, it's quite an achievement).
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ads101...this is huge misconception that merit means anything for PCB...b4 QEA sallu and SS demanded malik to play and if he scores 1 100(as per SS) or one of the top scorer (as per sallu) then SM got all the right to claim the spot...but as i am on record that performance means nothing...

picking and non-picking never been on merit in pakistan...it's alwats based on personal liking...:imran

if we talk about merit than Malik should be the last one to be dropped in UK after Farhat...and at that time Malik and butt shared the top ODI spot but Malik was not picked for odi too...

Malik has been playing QEA/BD with PCB NOC/captaining Punjab in pent-angular championship...what kind of non-clearance is this....

it's simple conclusion someone (or more) doesn't want him in intl team but doesn't care abt rest.
 
Markhor said:
Would be interesting to know what his average would be if you take away the 128,which was a good innings but against a poor Indian bowling lineup.

EDIT :- 17.9 if you minus the flash in the pan 100 that usually wows the fanboys sufficiently to forget about his other failings.
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I'd say that it's hard luck that i can't take away his 128...cause he actually scored those runs..

another point, you can not calculate...try again and let us know that it's not 17.9.
 
Anwaar said:
I'd say that it's hard luck that i can't take away his 128...cause he actually scored those runs..

another point, you can not calculate...try again and let us know that it's not 17.9.
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Oh sorry,taking away the match vs India's notoriously world class bowling attack,his average is 19.8 infact.World-class.
 
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Markhor said:
Oh sorry,taking away the 10th match vs India's notoriously world class bowling attack,his average is 19.8 infact.World-class.
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it's ok...at least u had courage to say sorry...otherwise in this thread at least 10 posters never showed such courage...

on a side, if we minus ~100 from someone's 10/9 innings, average would drop by ~10 points...

you don't rate Indian bowling much, it's your opinion.
even if we agree that india got weak bowling attack then don't you think other pakistani batsmen exploit it like SM who got 50+ average against them in odis.
 
the Great Khan said:
The reason it carrys n is the dedication and love anwaar shows for Malik..I haven't seen Or heard such devotion for anybody since Romeo and Juliet!! Everytime we lose he bumps the thread up like a devoted wife defending her husband!!
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so true.................pakistan will be playing for wc , i be anwaar wil be in this thread hoping pak lose so he can talk about malik
 
Shoaib356 said:
so true.................pakistan will be playing for wc , i be anwaar wil be in this thread hoping pak lose so he can talk about malik
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its not abt hoping...

ask any cricket pundit and you will know the chances of current Pakistan team...

and yes I am expecting (though not hoping) a trashing of Pakistan team in WC...and in result we may have some house cleaning.
 
Anwaar said:
small difference
WL has one point while I presented couple of dozens.

another difference, i answer the queries

Plus I believe you have changed your stance on SM from the one u had a yr back.
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No, I haven't actually.
IMO, they are 2 completely different issues.

My earlier stance was that Malik should have been dropped because of his poor performances, and I was happy he was.

And now my stance is, and always was, that no one should be ignored if he performs well in domestic, and the fact remains that Malik has been outstanding and outperformed every single player in QeA.
 
Anwaar said:
its not abt hoping...

ask any cricket pundit and you will know the chances of current Pakistan team...

and yes I am expecting (though not hoping) a trashing of Pakistan team in WC...and in result we may have some house cleaning.
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Honestly...its a shame that you wish for the team to lose...
 
If malik was dropped on performance alone he would have made his way back into the ODI side.But its obvious there was more to it then just his horrendous run with the bat.
It's good that he performed in domestic cricket giving himself better chance of a return once other issues are dealt with.
Coming to test cricket he is miles away from getting a look in.We have six guys in the side and not even of those is under pressure.Then we have Umar yousaf Yasin and sajjad waiting in the wings.
 
Here we go again, let the bygones be bygones. Can someone delete all support threads? Start with this one.
 
saeed-sohail said:
If malik was dropped on performance alone he would have made his way back into the ODI side.But its obvious there was more to it then just his horrendous run with the bat.
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Thank you that he was not dropped cause of his performance.

and not lets hear what you think abt "more to it" :afridi

P.S. as you dbl post, does it effect on ur runs too?
 
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*sallu* said:
My earlier stance was that Malik should have been dropped because of his poor performances, and I was happy he was.
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He was in great great touch (except two balls) in his last match...against india and made 39.

3rd highest for Pakistan after SM and Kami...

His drop was not justified at all...after that match.

and then just couple of matches prior,,,against Aus in Perth when pakistan was 3/16 and Malik made 36 and was run out cause of Akmal's habit of running for every ball.
 
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Anwaar said:
He was in great great touch (except two balls) in his last match...against india and made 39.

and then just couple of matches prior,,,against Aus in Perth when pakistan was 3/16 and Malik made 36 and was run out cause of Akmal's habit of running for every ball.
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So your definition of great great touch is a 39 and a 36?
No wonder you think Malik is better than Imran!

Speaking of your definitions, what happened to your minnow definition? As usual...... :runaway: ;-)

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=3429253&postcount=25
 
Anwaar said:
ads101...this is huge misconception that merit means anything for PCB...b4 QEA sallu and SS demanded malik to play and if he scores 1 100(as per SS) or one of the top scorer (as per sallu) then SM got all the right to claim the spot...but as i am on record that performance means nothing...

picking and non-picking never been on merit in pakistan...it's alwats based on personal liking...:imran

if we talk about merit than Malik should be the last one to be dropped in UK after Farhat...and at that time Malik and butt shared the top ODI spot but Malik was not picked for odi too...

Malik has been playing QEA/BD with PCB NOC/captaining Punjab in pent-angular championship...what kind of non-clearance is this....

it's simple conclusion someone (or more) doesn't want him in intl team but doesn't care abt rest.
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I don't know whether Malik should have been the first one to be dropped. A lot of the records of Pakistani batsmen were poor. But from what I saw of Malik, he looked terribly out of form in the ODIs before he was dropped. He was certainly not performing at his best.

Dropping him was the right thing as it allowed him to go to domestic, rediscover that form. He was also the star performer, hence in the eyes of the public as well as the selectors, if he were picked no one could really say he hadn't "earned" his place in the side. There was uproar I remember when Malik was thrown into the test side. He was then booted out just a bit later without many chances too. So that was useless.


The fact is, the way I see it, is Malik benefited from being dropped and going back to domestic. It led him to rediscover form. It turned out to be the right choice. It's just the selectors got it wrong and didn't even select him for the squad.
 
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Anwaar said:
last match b4 ban (aus)
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/406206.html

(last match b4 drop, AC)
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/455234.html

He has been below but classifying as terrible..isn't fair...
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Ok I agree with you. He wasn't in "terrible form". But he was below his usual average form. I remember a few matches (don't ask me which ones I don't remember) in ODIs and t20s where he looked particularly poor and was struggling to get bat onto ball. Throughout the whole of 2010 especially, he didn't look like the player in 2007/2008 who was probably the best Pak ODI batsman in those years.

However you must agree that going back to domestic has certainly done good things to recover his form. Going back to domestic wasn't exactly a bad thing for him in that respect.
 
ads101 said:
Ok I agree with you. He wasn't in "terrible form". But he was below his usual average form. I remember a few matches (don't ask me which ones I don't remember) in ODIs and t20s where he looked particularly poor and was struggling to get bat onto ball. Throughout the whole of 2010 especially, he didn't look like the player in 2007/2008 who was probably the best Pak ODI batsman in those years.

However you must agree that going back to domestic has certainly done good things to recover his form. Going back to domestic wasn't exactly a bad thing for him in that respect.
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- In the above clip, SM said a nice thing about Inzi...that when SM had an elbow operation and was in great pain and was failing to perform in matches, so he said to inzi that he wanted to leave and inzi said that sm's is one of such players whose presence in the dressing room boost confidence in team...

- i am not sure abt domestic as only thing expected from intl players is to score runs. though he made more money than in squad players for sure.
 
Oh come on Anwaar Bhai......... cheer up!!!! Start posting.

At least Pakistan is winning..... even if a player way below Malik's caliber (i.e. Afridi) is performing. :P

By the way, anybody missing Malik?
 
nope..i thought Anwaar would appear when we were 184 ao...!! maybe he can get a game for canada!
 
Anwaar said:
I understand his anger.
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Per post # 2103
Anwaar said:
Emotional Outburst deleted.
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Anwaar Bhai.... according to your posts above, I thought, I was the emotional one...and look who is hiding now? :))

Kahan ho Bhai? Iddaat? saug? Kia chakkar hai? ;-)

Don't celebrate Afridi's 13 wickets .... but at least come and celebrate 3 wins by Pakistan!
 
W63L35 said:
Oh come on Anwaar Bhai......... cheer up!!!! Start posting.

At least Pakistan is winning..... even if a player way below Malik's caliber (i.e. Afridi) is performing. :P

By the way, anybody missing Malik?
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Yes,those cups of chai don't deliver themselves.
 
OMG who can forget this epic thread.Anwaar bhai sirf apke liye



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kamranO said:
how much bucks malik gave to you for this thread ? Tell me some thing good about malik in test except in sri lanka flat pitch. What about his issue with M.yousuf with afridi then Younus khan


Kick this man on his butt so he can go back to his domestic team. until he can score heavily there then we should consider him otherwise pakistan team is in serious trouble...
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He didn't, its Malik himself. First posing as Anwaar. EPIC FAIL. Now this new account.
We know who you are Malik.

Malik is probably doing a feasibility study on future losses (everyone hates him) and profit (Mazhar and Co.)
 
LOL @ Support thread :D. I am happy that Trouble Makers are no longer in this Team. Malik is one of them.

Malik you should play tennis now :D :P
 
i miss the old old malik, captaincy was the worst thing that ever happened to him, and i was always saying it that he needed to go back to domestic cricket and find his form, i really feel that malik is not the only trouble maker, the ones who are still making trouble are playing for pak right now
 
Muzy said:
i miss the old old malik, captaincy was the worst thing that ever happened to him, and i was always saying it that he needed to go back to domestic cricket and find his form, i really feel that malik is not the only trouble maker, the ones who are still making trouble are playing for pak right now
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Don't worry. Sooner or Later we will get rid off that Cancer as well. I know Shoiab Malik is not the only trouble maker but He is one of them and its quiet good that he is not in the team :D
 
ads101 said:
oh come on. you're just being mean now.
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Read some of his posts directed at me. As compared to his, mine are sugar coated!

ads101 said:
Malik at no.3 would still look a hell lot better than kamran there.
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Anybody would look better than Kamran in the team....but can Malik keep wickets?

Who would you drop for Malik?
 
W63L35 said:
Read some of his posts directed at me. As compared to his, mine are sugar coated!


Anybody would look better than Kamran in the team....but can Malik keep wickets?

Who would you drop for Malik?
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If we were to drop kamran and give umar the gloves (because quite frankly kamran's been awful with the gloves, umar might even do a better job). Or even drop Ahmed Shehzad and promote kamran to open (I like Ahmed shehzad a lot, he's one of my favourite players but it doesn't look like he's handling the pressure of the big stage of the world cup at all. It's one thing to not be getting good scores but how he's batting, he doesn't look comfortable or in good touch at all).

It's not worth dropping kamran and giving umar the gloves to bring in asad shafiq. It might be worth it bringing in malik though.
 
ads101 said:
If we were to drop kamran and give umar the gloves (because quite frankly kamran's been awful with the gloves, umar might even do a better job). Or even drop Ahmed Shehzad and promote kamran to open (I like Ahmed shehzad a lot, he's one of my favourite players but it doesn't look like he's handling the pressure of the big stage of the world cup at all. It's one thing to not be getting good scores but how he's batting, he doesn't look comfortable or in good touch at all).

It's not worth dropping kamran and giving umar the gloves to bring in asad shafiq. It might be worth it bringing in malik though.
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Drop Ahmed Shehzad fro Malik? I stopped reading after that.
 
W63L35 said:
Per post # 2103


Anwaar Bhai.... according to your posts above, I thought, I was the emotional one...and look who is hiding now? :))

Kahan ho Bhai? Iddaat? saug? Kia chakkar hai? ;-)

Don't celebrate Afridi's 13 wickets .... but at least come and celebrate 3 wins by Pakistan!
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are we in final?


if not, then i am not so excited...cause i am not a child ...
 
W63L35 said:
Drop Ahmed Shehzad fro Malik? I stopped reading after that.
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I'm a huge fan of him but he isn't looking good out there. In this sort of tournament you need to start going strong early. He's looking nervous and isn't playing his game well. I really hope he picks it up against New Zealand. I have no bias here, Ahmed shehzad is probably my favourite player at the moment along with umar akmal. But he's really looked poor this tournament.

As I said I'd still rather drop kamran for Malik and ask umar to keep. And even if that doesn't happen, potentially it doesn't change the fact that for a tournament, I'd choose Malik in the squad over Asad. Asad won't even get put into the team if one our batsmen fail repeatedly. They're just not going to take that risk.
 
As Genie would say in "Aladdin" movie......when he rescues Aladdin from the sea....

"He is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!"

:))

Just watched the movie on United Airlines flight from London to Chicago last week! :D

Anwaar said:
are we in final?
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So you are not going to get excited unless we are in the final? Other exciting wins BY PAKISTAN don't matter... just because Malik is not the captain? :P

Anwaar said:
if not, then i am not so excited...cause i am not a child ...
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I would have to agree with you because only kids are celerabting our three wins so far. ;-)
 
i don't know the reason of this ecstasy ....
we defeated kenya and canada ..n defeated sl by thin margin.....
we all know... who would qualify for qfs...

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Anwaar said:
i don't know the reason of this ecstasy ....
we defeated kenya and canada ..n defeated sl by thin margin.....
we all know... who would qualify for qfs...
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Pakistan beat Zimbabwe and BD in 10 ODIs under Malik's captaincy... and you can't stay away from posting Malik's captaincy record over and over again.... showing he is better captain than Imran.... what is that called ... ecstasy or ********* ?

By the way, you haven't updated (or posted) the latest captaincy record spreadsheet in a long time! :P
 
Anwaar said:
are we in final?
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So you are acting "chichray" becuase we are not in the final just after three games.... well, you have to blame ICC for that... not me!

No team was going to get into the final after three games... so just relax and enjoy the ride until it lasts.... QF, SF or Final.
 
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Anwaar said:
timings are so odd that can't see matches...
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But we can look at the scorecards.... and enjoy the wins by Pakistan (not to mention...... 14 wickets in 3 games) .... and share the excitement by posting at PP during the times that suit us. Can't we?
 
W63L35 said:
Pakistan beat Zimbabwe and BD in 10 ODIs under Malik's captaincy... and you can't stay away from posting Malik's captaincy record over and over again.... showing he is better captain than Imran.... what is that called ... ecstasy or ********* ?

By the way, you haven't updated (or posted) the latest captaincy record spreadsheet in a long time! :P
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still malik is better than rest...and afridi is still at bottom...
nothing has changed much...

immi played 35 matches against sl...and if we minus...those...his recored is nothing in comparison to captain who came after...
 
W63L35 said:
So you are acting "chichray" becuase we are not in the final just after three games.... well, you have to blame ICC for that... not me!

No team was going to get into the final after three games... so just relax and enjoy the ride until it lasts.... QF, SF or Final.
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well i don't see haroon dancing in streets of lala land...so no reason to complain icc..
 
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