Shoaib Malik Support & Performance Watch

[Black Zero]

Stupid host.... after a couple of cricket questions.... can't stop asking Sania questions. Too boring!

Thanks for providing cricket related info that Malik used to call inzi, baby!

 

[W63L35]

Thanks for providing cricket related info that Malik used to call inzi, baby!

You didn't read carefully .... he addresses your bhabhi.... as "baby"!

 

[Black Zero]

You didn't read carefully .... he addresses your bhabhi.... as "baby"!

you missed the point, and that was:

- You crticised the host for something that you urself did in a post earlier.

 

[W63L35]

you missed the point, and that was:

- You crticised the host for something that you urself did in a post earlier.

No I did not "miss" the point.... you did't notice the similie..... I "enjoyed" your joke/sarcasm!

 

[Crucifier]

Really is injustice to Malik who is a MUCH better ODI cricketer than Asad Shafiq.

How can you leave out someone who has scored multiple centuries this season? The PCB needs to be put on on failblog.org

 

[Black Zero]

Really is injustice to Malik who is a MUCH better ODI cricketer than Asad Shafiq.

How can you leave out someone who has scored multiple centuries this season? The PCB needs to be put on on failblog.org

PPers, on different thread, congratulating PCB and MHK.
Though I dislike MoYo, but he is needed along with Malik for WC.

 

[W63L35]

PPers, on different thread, congratulating PCB and MHK.

Though I don't like MHK and IButt, Malik was NOT needed for thr WC.

Though I dislike MoYo, ....

Because??? Not related to Baji?

 

[Maher96]

Malik: 'I am passing through most difficult phase'

KARACHI: Former Pakistan cricket captain Shoaib Malik admits that he is passing through the most difficult time of his career but hopes good times will come again. Malik, 28, has not been selected in a 15-man Pakistan squad for the forthcoming World Cup to be played from next month in India, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. In an exclusive interview with German Radio Deutsche Welle Urdu service here, Malik said that playing World Cup was the utmost desire of any athlete in the world. “And it becomes more disappointing when one is ignored when one is in the best form of his life. I have never been in form like this before in 11 years of my international career the way I played in the recently concluded Quaid Trophy,” he added.

Malik was the second top scorer of Quaid Trophy with 799 runs in only 6 matches. “Cricket is my passion. I thought I could have won this World Cup for Pakistan and that is why it is very difficult to make myself understand. But then its not the end of the world and cricket too. I will not leave playing cricket and try to cash in other opportunities come my way by playing domestic cricket and events outside the country.”

Malik said during this most difficult phase his wife and Indian tennis star Sania Mirza had been very supportive. “Sania being herself as a sports woman knows how to face this kind of situation. She had been through some ups and down as well. I am very lucky to have Sania as my wife who is sporting and helping me at every step to handle all this.”
Malik denied media reports that indicated that an amount of £90,000, which was transferred from India to his British account, was the main reason behind the Pakistan Cricket Board’s (PCB) decision to sideline him from the World Cup squad. “I have not hidden any thing from the PCB integrity committee. Like in Pakistan you cant approach any body’s bank account abroad. But I gave every detail of my Pakistani and foreign assets and bank accounts to the PCB but yet I was not selected. I wont start firing at any one because its not my nature and I always try to remain away from controversies.”

Malik is considered as a ODI and Twenty20 specialist because his Test match record has never been that impressive as other two versions of the game. In 32 Tests, Malik has scored only 1606 at 33 and claimed only 21 wickets while in 192 ODIs he has made over 5188 runs and grabbed 134 wickets as well. Despite this, Malik has no intention to quit Test cricket like England’s Paul Collingwood and New Zealand’s Jacob Oram. “I know my Test performance level is not as high but I am not that sort of guy who thinks that I cant do this or that. I have worked very hard on few issues of my game and that worked really well in Quad Trophy. And I want to play all three versions of the game for the next seven to eight years.

On the Pakistan team’s prospects in the World Cup, Malik suggested that Pakistan should rely on senior players. “In an mega event like World Cup only seniors can take pressure of the situations and that’s why I think Pakistan should be relying on experienced players,” Malik concluded.

(http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2011\01\21\story_21-1-2011_pg2_4)

 

[Maher96]

Well form of his life lets see how he does after WC. But he was a must and better option than Misbah imo.

 

[shehzi]

ofcourse he is going through a TOUGH PERIOD...

and

the reason is mentioned in this video ))


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqZGZ5Mlv1g

 

[stallion]

He will back for good I hope our board offical not have to explain why he wasnt in squad if we dont perform in world cup. Hsi recors in sub cont will tells u that he must be the first name to get in playing X1 for world cup.

His form is exceptional in domestice scoring 800 runs in only 6 matches he wasnt suspned from ICC for any wrong doing if he has done any thing wrong make it public or get him back.

 

[PakPrince]

averaging over 100 in the QEA Trophy and didnt get in. this is beyond me. why have a domestic tournament when you obviously wont reward the best performers like malik and cheema.

 

[Maula Jutt]

Begum bhaari par gaeen.

 

[Stewie]

only seniors can help pakistan win..

another load of bull and same recycled garbage that these primadonas keep coming up with.. senior shmenior my butt.. so what if u played 100 plus ODIs?? does that mean ur a friggin legend for pakistan even though u did nothing but crap in those 100 matches?

 

[asadee]

has PCB given any statement regarding his exclusion?

 

[Markhor]

Moonshine should have thought about that before indulging in team politics and groupism rows,hope we see the back of him.

 

[Muhammad Waleed]

Hahaha, Now don't get it all started over again. I remember Malik support thread. My eyes started burning after read 7 pages thoroughly.

 

[Masterji]

What are the rumours about him and match fixing? I don`t understand, can someone explain.

 

[ads101]

What are the rumours about him and match fixing? I don`t understand, can someone explain.

Apparently he's the don of the cricket mafia, involved in thousands of match fixing bets (despite having one of the highest win/loss ratios of Pakistani captains) and somehow was the force behind persuading Younis to embark on that famous year long fishing trip.

But of course there's no actual proof. Which means logically we should accept that all these rumors are 100% true .

 

[Down2Earth]

well it's your fault, now suffer the consequences. we're doing well, the last thing we need is you back in the team

 

[Stewie]

MODS.. can you please merge with Malik Support thread??? Lets put all our garbage in one place.

 

[PakPrince]

he was on a morning tv show c couple of days ago. seemed cheerful enough

 

[MISBAHYOUNUSROCK]

hes qualty but badly inconcessnet need to focus on bowling so he can offer the all round package but other than that he deserves a place

 

[billllal]

he dserve all this

 

[Black Zero]

 

[Black Zero]

hes qualty but badly inconcessnet need to focus on bowling so he can offer the all round package but other than that he deserves a place

 

[Black Zero]

 

[W63L35]

^^
What a plaaaaya!!! Will only perform only when he is capatain .... and that too when 13 matches are vs World Champion Zimbabwe, Power House Bangladesha and Hong Kong.


But let me get this straight..... your sample of 33 Malik innings is laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarge enough to compare Malik with Bradman.... but sample of his last 29 innings......... shooooooooo shmall, that .... )

Last 29 Malik Innings:

33 Malik Innings as Captain:

 

[Black Zero]

^^
What a plaaaaya!!! Will only perform only when he is capatain .... and that too when 13 matches are vs World Champion Zimbabwe, Power House Bangladesha and Hong Kong.

Thats why I am here to clear misconceptions:

Malik as Captain averages even higher if we exclude so called minnows.

 

[Obeid]

Would you like to please note the strike rates of Afridi and Malik?

Get out of here now.

 

[Black Zero]

Would you like to please note the strike rates of Afridi and Malik?

Get out of here now.

please mind that these stats are bit old, when Afridi got boost from his 2 100s in AC....now he's back to his usual worst in batting and his bowling also lost bite...

last 10 odis he got avg of around 20ish...and expecting further dip in NZL.

if afridi loses captaincy, he will lose his place too...he's waste of space lately.
and if he doesn't lose, he would keep "improving" the record of being the worst odi pakistani captain.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Anwaar - I am shocked to see you vote for non-selection of Malik in WC squad!!

 

[W63L35]

last 10 odis he got avg of around 20ish...and expecting further dip in NZL.

if afridi loses captaincy, he will lose his place too...he's waste of space lately.

So last 10 ODIs.... average of 20ish is a waste of space.... what about average of 17ish in last 29 innings? What do your fancy spreadsheets say about that?

 

[Black Zero]

Anwaar - I am shocked to see you vote for non-selection of Malik in WC squad!!

I want him only in the capacity of captain...
With afridi, we are heading nowhere.

Afridi hasn't been good for our regular match winners...

Under SA captaincy, Malik or anyone else would be virtually useless..

 

[cricnut]

I want him only in the capacity of captain...
With afridi, we are heading nowhere.

Afridi hasn't been good for our regular match winners...

Under Malik captaincy, Malik or anyone else would be virtually useless..

Thats true .

Afridi is such a waste of a player .

 

[Black Zero]

So last 10 ODIs.... average of 20ish is a waste of space.... what about average of 17ish in last 29 innings? What do your fancy spreadsheets say about that?

SM got 30+ average in last 10 odis..while beast less than 21...

and right btw YK and MoYo.

as you adding T20s for malik, if we do the same for SA, he got average of 14 in his last 7 T20s....what a T20 specialist player!

 

[Eagle_Eye]

I want him only in the capacity of captain...
With afridi, we are heading nowhere.

Afridi hasn't been good for our regular match winners...

Under SA captaincy, Malik or anyone else would be virtually useless..

Ahhhh... you have more deeper desires..

Well I agree with you.... he is out of his depth as Captain. Not just Gul or Ajmal but lost direction for himself as well. Losing the ODI series in NZ may well be blessing in disguise if it gets PCB to install Misbah Captain for WC.

 

[Black Zero]

Over all drop for all playing players:

Last 4 "improved" a bit
a dip for both Hafeez and Umer:

View attachment 10551

 

[W63L35]

Over all drop for all playing players:

Last 4 "improved" a bit
a dip for both Hafeez and Umer:

View attachment 10551

10 innings................... huge sample.
29 innings................... very small sample.

 

[Torpedo]

Shoaib Malik has a good record in Sri Lanka. (Pakistans World Cup Venue)

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...class=2;host=8;template=results;type=allround

His batting average there is close to his career average and his S/R is 81.

His bowling average is 25 with an economy of only 3.75 which is much better than his career average of 36 and economy of 4.57. The only two test centuries he has scored have also been in Sri Lanka so clearly he loves playing there.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...?class=2;host=8;template=results;type=bowling

And add to that his good fielding skills, and he would have been a very useful player to have in these conditions.

Admittedly he was out of form when he got dropped, but he should've been given one more chance especially in conditions that would have favoured him. Afridi was persisted with, for 09 T20 WC even though he was having a horrible run with the bat and he came off well during the tournament. Shoaib Malik would've done just fine as well in the upcoming WC.

 

[kkmix]

I am not a Shoaib Malik fan by any means, but I really think he should've been picked because he always performed good in sub continents, and I have a feeling he would've been vital.

 

[emclub]

either way, he's a human being and wears the green cap, and for that he deserves at least a modicum of civility.

Read the whole looooong post of yours and agree http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=2791470&postcount=964

Hats Off Sir

 

[emclub]

He should be in the team for ODIs and T20s

[utube]_cYzG0JGi9M[/utube]

That was a Great Innings Thanx for sharing

 

[ikram17]

Even though I hate shoaib malik's character, just for the WC and especially in the sub-continent pitches where he has scored more and especially against india, he should be in the team. Otherwise, he shouldn't be in the test squad or odis. Most of his centuries came against India in flat pitches, for that reason he should be in the WC squad.

 

[emclub]

I think that since Malik was made a captain at such a young age, others found it easy to disagree with him and challenge him. Age and seniority counts more than position or achievement in our culture, unfortunately. Many also felt they deserved captaincy more because of seniority. Same happened with Wasim Akram. He was also made a captain at a very young age and faced a lot of crap by his teammates throughout his captaincy. The only reason his reign was longer was perhaps because the PCB itself wasn't so involved in these player controversies as was the case in Malik's time. Akram's last few matches also were the same. He had no support from anyone in the team. No one was even talking to him.

And this same culture has come to a point now that unseating captains has become one of the easiest things to do for players. It's a disastrous development.

I agree with you whole heartedly.......Wasim Akram was rebelled against by so called 'seniors' just like Malik was.......

 

[emclub]

Dont you think someone with these numbers accross all fotmats since his last good innings needs to play domestic cricket to get his form back rather then dancing with SRK.

You dont get to dance with SRK everyday do you so cut Malik some slack

 

[W63L35]

i have already provided a comprehensive comparison of all the Pakistani captains

WI were going south after clive ...so don't give me "the best team ever" as I have seen them actually...

Immi is not the most successful captain...either for test or odi!

sorry but can you tell me how many matches you saw where Imran was captain?

and are you comparing him and his captaincy to Malik? if you are then you should stop watching cricket and stick to an obscure canadian sport! lacrosse maybe? or perhaps curling!

As for Malik, well we've had the mammoth support thread in which it has been proven he is absolute rubbish!

now for Malik supporters I have a few questions, I dont want fudged stats or lies just straight answers:

1) why in ten years of cricket is he still to perform a innings that defines him. Now some say he is bette than younis and yusuf, but younis will be remembered for his 300 and yusuf for his record breaking year, and at the rate misbah is going he may also be remembered. But Malik? inmho he is a mere footnote!

2) since his debut how many chances has he got compared to others? and has he availed those chances?

3) can anyone remember an innings outside asia where he has excelled in difficult conditions..and im not taling a pretty 30..

4) when he was captain was he reknowned as a tactical genius? or an inspirational figure? or a match winner?

5) how many of his supporter on this forum are under he age of 22?
(ill explain my reason for asking this.)

6) finally why should we replace a young up and coming player with one who has had plenty of chances but has failed to make a mark in ten years of professional international cricket? after all arent these the same fans who clamour for new players at the drop of a hat and when these new players finally get a chance you suddenly want an older hasbeen , sorry not hasbeen but neverwas, to replace them?

I think, these two posts belong in this thread also!

 

[emclub]

another thing..malik has been asked to play as:


Openers 7 Tests
4th 3 times
5th 2
6th 18
7th 8

and thats also random...sometimes in same test he was asked to play different positions...after 2 bad tests in NZL he was dropped (there was nothing wrong if he played the third one too, anyway..) then suddenly he was picked for 3rd tests against Aus and he made good contribution... and interestingly he was dropped again against same team ...to be picked in next game so to be dropped after two games (one game he contributed ok and next game changed his position...

Long story short...If they want to play malik ..stick with him

This is a very good point.......well done Anwaar

 

[Black Zero]

I think, these two posts belong in this thread also!

if you browse through initial pages of this thread, you would know how many times we have replied TGK and TGK had to take the "escape" route...when we ask some question...

TGK is somewhat like on of my uncle who can swear upon that "no one can drive like Majid Khan" (Time has stopped there for him).

 

[Black Zero]

This is a very good point.......well done Anwaar

actually thank you as lately you have been responding and clearing misconceptions abt Malik.

 

[Impala_KaifTamasha]

I think Malik shoud definatley have been selected in the squads.

The thing is you cant drop anyone from the actual XI as they've all played well. Maybe YK could get dropped.

Whether he deserves a place in the team is up to debate but imo opinion he should have been in the 15 man squad.

One of my favourite Malik knocks:-

[utube]MZhsTNaqRq0[/utube]

 

[emclub]

^^^^^^ What an innings that was......Dhoni was clueless on how to set up his field

 

[Impala_KaifTamasha]

The cuts he played in that inns were glorious

 

[Markhor]

Tough.

He has not scored a 50 (excluding the 100 vs India in CT 2009) since January 2009 against Sri Lanka.

He is poor on seaming wickets and has indulged in team politics,groupisms and oath-taking.Why does he still have a fan following ? Ever since we got shot of him,results and morale have dramatically improved.

Recent years his average in ODIs is

season 2008/09-34.60
season 2009-15.57
season 2009/10-31.44
season 2010-23.50

On what basis should he be recalled ? He has done nothing of note in International cricket and is where he belongs.In the domestic leagues where he can toil away.

Thank God he was not selected.He'd have demoralised the team and groupism would have started all over again.

 

[ads101]

Tough.

He has not scored a 50 (excluding the 100 vs India in CT 2009) since January 2009 against Sri Lanka.

He is poor on seaming wickets and has indulged in team politics,groupisms and oath-taking.Why does he still have a fan following ? Ever since we got shot of him,results and morale have dramatically improved.

Recent years his average in ODIs is

season 2008/09-34.60
season 2009-15.57
season 2009/10-31.44
season 2010-23.50

On what basis should he be recalled ? He has done nothing of note in International cricket and is where he belongs.In the domestic leagues where he can toil away.

Thank God he was not selected.He'd have demoralised the team and groupism would have started all over again.

He was in great form in 2007 and 2008 piling in the runs. He lost captaincy, and lost form soon after. Hence he was out of form. He was rightly dropped. He went back to domestic cricket. He was the star performer in the domestic tournament, by far the best player. This would usually herald a return to form. That kind of showing should usually get him back into the international side. It wasn't only a good showing in domestic cricket. It was by far the best in that tournament.

We have no evidence of politics, grouping etc. Oath taking lots of players were involved, including yousuf and afridi apparently.

Shoaib Malik when in form was winning matches for us. Which explains why he had such a high win percentage when captain. It was less to do with his captaincy skills in my opinion, it was more to do with his batting success in that period.


Why exclude that 100 in CT. That was a great innings lol. Not many players have scored many centuries in 2009/2010 anyway. It was a loss of form for pretty much all our batsmen. All of our batsmen failed in those years really (apart from maybe Afridi).


He averages 55 in South Africa, arguably the toughest pitches for batting. However what's more important is that his bowling and batting is very effective in asia. He averages 39 in asia.

Even though I believe this idea that Malik has never contributed anything substantial in international cricket is false (In ODIs he has had 7 centuries, 15 man of the match awards just check this link http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...=7;template=results;type=allround;view=awards), it is only fair he is given a chance. Hafeez did nothing of note in international cricket, got dropped worked hard in domestic and now is probably the best batsman in the team on form.

 

[Ryankhan]

I think now his performance is speaking out loud for him. With his recent form, he should be in PAK tea, and batting at no.3. he will be ideal at that position now with YOUNIS at 3 and MISBAH at 4. Kami bhai could warm the bench and let JR AKmal handle the WK. His back to back 100s and taking wkts is a nice thing to see. He performed well in domestic circuit aswell and now performing well in BD county aswell. i think he is a MUST for the WC, especially in ASIA pitches.

I think he should replace ASAD SHAFIQ.

 

[Black Zero]

Tough.

He has not scored a 50 (excluding the 100 vs India in CT 2009) since January 2009 against Sri Lanka.

He is poor on seaming wickets and has indulged in team politics,groupisms and oath-taking.Why does he still have a fan following ? Ever since we got shot of him,results and morale have dramatically improved.

Recent years his average in ODIs is

season 2008/09-34.60
season 2009-15.57
season 2009/10-31.44
season 2010-23.50

On what basis should he be recalled ? He has done nothing of note in International cricket and is where he belongs.In the domestic leagues where he can toil away.

Thank God he was not selected.He'd have demoralised the team and groupism would have started all over again.

 

[AZ]

Anwaar bhai charts ka rang hi badal do.

wohi graph baar baar dekh ke bore hogaye hain

 

[Stewie]

Well there is another example of why even the most interesting man in the world cant make this thread go away!

 

[the Great Khan]

if you browse through initial pages of this thread, you would know how many times we have replied TGK and TGK had to take the "escape" route...when we ask some question...

TGK is somewhat like on of my uncle who can swear upon that "no one can drive like Majid Khan" (Time has stopped there for him).

sorry when have I escaped? unlike some of you people I have a life outside of pp hence the paucity of replies but please enlighten us with your knowledge about the great Malik bradman!

test average of 30 odd but we have to wait till he plays a set number of tests before he reaches a certain average..my dear boy thats not how cricket is played,,if youve played cricket for over ten years and still average 20 odd in test cricket then you need to find another career!

what did he do as a senior batsman in england? and dont say he did no better than everyone else since we had a team of children and he failed to lead them, once again showing his mediocrity..

name me an instance in the last two or three years where he has set the place alight? other than one innings vs india we have seen nothing..so why the big hooha?

the problem we have is that most of you 12 yr olds havent seen real cricket players except for a handful (inzi,yk,moyo etc) youve grown up with mediocrity and actually think an average of 30 in test cricket is acceptable..its not your fault really because if your surrounded by mediocrity you will never identify excellence!!

now please answer my questions and we can move forward..

 

[W63L35]

anwaar bhai charts ka rang hi badal do.

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اِس لیے کہ چارٹ کی تاریخ تو یہ بدلنے سے رھے​

.

 

[Black Zero]

sorry when have I escaped? unlike some of you people I have a life outside of pp hence the paucity of replies but please enlighten us with your knowledge about the great Malik bradman!

test average of 30 odd but we have to wait till he plays a set number of tests before he reaches a certain average..my dear boy thats not how cricket is played,,if youve played cricket for over ten years and still average 20 odd in test cricket then you need to find another career!

what did he do as a senior batsman in england? and dont say he did no better than everyone else since we had a team of children and he failed to lead them, once again showing his mediocrity..

name me an instance in the last two or three years where he has set the place alight? other than one innings vs india we have seen nothing..so why the big hooha?

the problem we have is that most of you 12 yr olds havent seen real cricket players except for a handful (inzi,yk,moyo etc) youve grown up with mediocrity and actually think an average of 30 in test cricket is acceptable..its not your fault really because if your surrounded by mediocrity you will never identify excellence!!

now please answer my questions and we can move forward..

You asked similar question last year on March 16th
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=2502710&postcount=280

Following were my response same day...(interestingly you never showed up)

Links are broken but you would get the idea...

- http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=2502842&postcount=281

- http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=2502846&postcount=283

- http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=2502856&postcount=285

- http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=2502878&postcount=287



Few among hundreds:

- http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=2697640&postcount=388

- http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=2700985&postcount=421

- http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/batting/most_runs_career.html?id=5067;type=series

- http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=2701206&postcount=442

- http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=2701239&postcount=448

- http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=2702657&postcount=470

- http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=2708976&postcount=546

- http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=2736427&postcount=586

- http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=2759293&postcount=662

- http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=2761679&postcount=737

- http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=2764080&postcount=747

-http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=2766632&postcount=770

- http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=2789092&postcount=874

- http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=2803934&postcount=1

- http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=3081776&postcount=1136

- http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=3083380&postcount=1148

- http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=3091020&postcount=1217

- http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=3119992&postcount=1365

 

[Black Zero]

Anwaar bhai charts ka rang hi badal do.

wohi graph baar baar dekh ke bore hogaye hain

interestingly ranking isn't changing much...Hafeez at top while MoYo stays at bottom

YK and Afridi changing positions in last three...

Akmal n Bros...losing ground...but who's interested in their stats...

By the way, what's your fav. color?

 

[Black Zero]

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اِس لیے کہ چارٹ کی تاریخ تو یہ بدلنے سے رھے​

.

I am still waiting for your response to <10 runs chart...in MOM thread
and then I'll update last 10 innings chart...

 

[AZ]

interestingly ranking isn't changing much...Hafeez at top while MoYo stays at bottom

YK and Afridi changing positions in last three...

Akmal n Bros...losing ground...but who's interested in their stats...

By the way, what's your fav. color?

Blue

 

[W63L35]

You asked similar question last year on March 16th
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=2502710&postcount=280

A lot of garbage deleted......

Help us find ONE innings of significane out side Subcontinent .... other than one 100 vs ... Ashish "Malcom" Nehra, RP "Lillee" Singh and Ishant "I wanna bowl 100 mph" Sharma????

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...re;template=results;type=batting;view=innings

 

[Black Zero]

Help us find ONE innings of significane out side Subcontinent .... other than one 100 vs ... Ashish "Malcom" Nehra, RP "Lillee" Singh and Ishant "I wanna bowl 100 mph" Sharma????

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...re;template=results;type=batting;view=innings

Wah ji Wah...

Tests, ODIs and T20Is all together...!!!

do you see your blunder?

 

[W63L35]

Wah ji Wah...

Tests, ODIs and T20Is all together...!!!

do you see your blunder?

Oh..... you want them separated.... Mr. "100% sure'"??? He is going to look WORSE!!! .... but you asked for it!

Do you seeeeeeee your blunder?

Don't forget to see Bradman's numbers against a tailender!

Test matches:

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...re;template=results;type=batting;view=innings


ODIs:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...re;template=results;type=batting;view=innings



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[Black Zero]

Oh..... you want them separated.... Mr. "100% sure'"??? He is going to look WORSE!!! .... but you asked for it!

Do you seeeeeeee your blunder?

Don't forget to see Bradman's numbers against a tailender!

Test matches:

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...re;template=results;type=batting;view=innings


ODIs:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...re;template=results;type=batting;view=innings



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First Question: Sample of 8 test matches is good enough?
My take: if you divide 8 matches in 4 countries then its 2 matches per country. I don't think it's enough sample set.
Play him more matches and you will see improvement.

Second Question: Why India and WI marked in RED?

Third Question: How many complete series he played outside SC?

Last Question: Where's T20 stats?

 

[W63L35]

First Question: Sample of 8 test matches is good enough?
My take: if you divide 8 matches in 4 countries then its 2 matches per country. I don't think it's enough sample set.
Play him more matches and you will see improvement.
He has played 86 matches outside subcontinent. How many more you want?
Second Question: Why India and WI marked in RED?

Third Question: How many complete series he played outside SC?

Last Question: Where's T20 stats?

You really have short memory or you pretend to have one?

The ORGINAL question was.....

Help us find ONE innings of significane out side Subcontinent .... other than one 100 vs ... Ashish "Malcom" Nehra, RP "Lillee" Singh and Ishant "I wanna bowl 100 mph" Sharma????

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...re;template=results;type=batting;view=innings

I gave you all of his innings outside flat-track countries.... and then instead of answer the question....your back to your usual A.... B... S... (aain baain shaain).

So.. one more time.....
Help us find ONE innings of significane out side Subcontinent .... other than one 100 vs ... Ashish "Malcom" Nehra, RP "Lillee" Singh and Ishant "I wanna bowl 100 mph" Sharma????




P.S. Your sample of 10 innings (posted a million times) is big enough ... but my sample of 8 is not enough.....
If so, you want me to post his last 28 innings? But then that would be too big for you to handle!

 

[s.h.a.k]

Only if shoaib malik was in d team instead of younis we would have d perfect team 2 win d world cup, but remember pakistn will regret not selecting him in d world cup.

 

[Black Zero]

You really have short memory or you pretend to have one?

The ORGINAL question was.....


I gave you all of his innings outside flat-track countries.... and then instead of answer the question....your back to your usual A.... B... S... (aain baain shaain).

So.. one more time.....
Help us find ONE innings of significane out side Subcontinent .... other than one 100 vs ... Ashish "Malcom" Nehra, RP "Lillee" Singh and Ishant "I wanna bowl 100 mph" Sharma????




P.S. Your sample of 10 innings (posted a million times) is big enough ... but my sample of 8 is not enough.....
If so, you want me to post his last 28 innings? But then that would be too big for you to handle!

There are so many...as you yourself ack his 128 in recent CT.

another one some 6 years back.
View attachment 10766

In tests
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/210368.html

And FYI, all SC pitches aren't flat and similarly all non-SC pitches are anti-flat/supporting

 

[the Great Khan]

sorry but 68 in 2004? is that the best you can find? i believe I rest my case..over ten years of cricket and his best innings is a 128 against a poor bowling attack and 68 against 2gangulys" india when moyo was yoyo!! ?? also your links dont work mostly and from them you still havent answered my straightforward questions!

was he a better captain than Imran?
is he a better batsman than moyo,yk,inzi,misbah,razaaq,afridi?
why hasnt he cemented his place in the side after ten years?
why should he captain teh current side that is winning and jelling together?
what are his most recent bowling stats?
what right does he have to push out youngsters like shafiq,shehzad and akmal jnr?
why did he refuse to play where he was asked by the coach and management?
why did inti and co call him a termite?
do you agree we dont need him in the current team? if no then do you support Malik or pakistan?
how old are you?

 

[Black Zero]

sorry but 68 in 2004? is that the best you can find? i believe I rest my case..over ten years of cricket and his best innings is a 128 against a poor bowling attack and 68 against 2gangulys" india when moyo was yoyo!! ?? also your links dont work mostly and from them you still havent answered my straightforward questions!

was he a better captain than Imran?
is he a better batsman than moyo,yk,inzi,misbah,razaaq,afridi?
why hasnt he cemented his place in the side after ten years?
why should he captain teh current side that is winning and jelling together?
what are his most recent bowling stats?
what right does he have to push out youngsters like shafiq,shehzad and akmal jnr?
why did he refuse to play where he was asked by the coach and management?
why did inti and co call him a termite?
do you agree we dont need him in the current team? if no then do you support Malik or pakistan?
how old are you?

Have you checked the links?

Have you understood that WL forwarded specific request that I answered nothing to do with your questions.

First go through the links as all your questions are answered in details...even pages are dedicated to each of them in this very same thread.
If you hate my posts, you can ask WL and he would tell you about MOS and MOM SM has got!

 

[W63L35]

There are so many...as you yourself ack his 128 in recent CT.

another one some 6 years back.

In tests
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/210368.html

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So..... out of NINETY-ONE (91) innings, you came up with three:
1) 128 vs Nehra, RP Singh and Sharma.
2) 68 vs Balaji, Irfan Pathan and Agarkar
3) 64 vs Powell, Best, King, Collymore. (where YK and Inzi 100s)
If Malik's innings of 64 in significant then what are YK's & Inzi's 100s?


Can you do the math Awaaaaaaaaan Saaaaaaheeeeb????????

You came up with THREE innings (1 100 and 2 50s) in 91 innings?? That is 3.29%

And FYI, all SC pitches aren't flat and similarly all non-SC pitches are anti-flat/supporting

...and yet you could come up with only THREE innings of significance out 91 innings.... even in a test where Inzi/YK hit 100s..... you list his 64?

...and yet you support this Bradman???


Now you know why I even refuse to look at your stupid standard deviations, means and modes charts... because I don't need to those stupid charts to prove Malik is pathetic ...or to prove Yk/Inz are 100 times better than you tailender..... since in the same test match YK/Inzi hits 100s!

 

[Black Zero]

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So..... out of NINETY-ONE (91) innings, you came up with three:
1) 128 vs Nehra, RP Singh and Sharma.
2) 68 vs Balaji, Irfan Pathan and Agarkar
3) 64 vs Powell, Best, King, Collymore. (where YK and Inzi 100s)
If Malik's innings of 64 in significant then what are YK's & Inzi's 100s?


Can you do the math Awaaaaaaaaan Saaaaaaheeeeb????????

You came up with THREE innings (1 100 and 2 50s) in 91 innings?? That is 3.29%





...and yet you could come up with only THREE innings of significance out 91 innings.... even in a test where Inzi/YK hit 100s..... you list his 64?

...and yet you support this Bradman???


Now you know why I even refuse to look at your stupid standard deviations, means and modes charts... because I don't need to those stupid charts to prove Malik is pathetic ...or to prove Yk/Inz are 100 times better than you tailender..... since in the same test match YK/Inzi hits 100s!

If you are not = Uturn , you requested first one innings, then you changed the request and demanded 2...and still not satisfied...I just picked old ones to show he was winning matches for us when he was vvv young and included as bowler...

As I have fulfilled your demands, now go though the recent posts and reply to my questions, if you don't mind.

 

[saeed-sohail]

Bring Malik back please.He is going to average 65 over next 35 tests with 16 hundreds.

 

[Black Zero]

Bring Malik back please.He is going to average 65 over next 35 tests with 16 hundreds.

Dil se niklay jo dua woh asar rakhti hay
Now We (Sallu, you, ECB and myself) need WL to join the forces of goodness.

 

[W63L35]

If you are not = Uturn , you requested first one innings, then you changed the request and demanded 2...and still not satisfied...I just picked old ones to show he was winning matches for us when he was vvv young and included as bowler...

As I have fulfilled your demands, now go though the recent posts and reply to my questions, if you don't mind.

...and that's exaclty what what my point was.... you think he is next to Bradman ..... based on 1 100 and 2 fifties againt India and West Indes???????????

Now....compare those Bradman like 100 and two fifies in 86 matches to ...the number of test and ODI 100 by these batsmen sine 1999 (Bradman's debut year)! See how patheeeeeeeeeeeeeetic he looks????

First chart is test 100s and the 2nd one is ODIs... I highlighted the batsmen.... other than Inzi/YK/MoYo!! Just see how "absent" your Bradman is from both lists. Next time you criticize MoYo, look at these two lists... your conscious may question your reasoning... !

 

[Black Zero]

...and that's exaclty what what my point was.... you think he is next to Bradman ..... based on 1 100 and 2 fifties againt India and West Indes???????????

Now....compare those Bradman like 100 and two fifies in 86 matches to ...the number of test and ODI 100 by these batsmen sine 1999 (Bradman's debut year)! See how patheeeeeeeeeeeeeetic he looks????

First chart is test 100s and the 2nd one is ODIs... I highlighted the batsmen.... other than Inzi/YK/MoYo!! Just see how "absent" your Bradman is from both lists. Next time you criticize MoYo, look at these two lists... your conscious may question your reasoning... !

Ordered by Player's name... ???
Regarding 100s and 50s..., i have discussed comprehensively in this thread with other posters and in brief with you...

To win a match you don't need hundreds, unless you average close to 100.
if you can score ~34+ with a very low CoV then you will win more matches for your country than someone who got high average (with lot of 100s) but with high CoV.