Shoaib Malik Support & Performance Watch

Should Malik be in the plans for the 2019 WC?


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I am so happy that Malik got out at zero.

Now SS and some other would not be able to say that Malik is dead-rubber king.

SS was actually announcing in every second thread that malik would score 100...
Where are you SS and what happened to your claim?

Ohhh but according to you, this wasn't a dead rubber as rankings points were at stake?
 
in a few weeks this thread will have more runs than Malik himself! :)))
 
Bolded part.

Malik was only good for dead rubbers. Now, even that is not true.

But I want him in the team. He is a natural athlete. The way he runs onto the field with bottles of water and gatorade, no one else can.

to be fair with Malik, there was no win situation for him in this match...even in previous series vs Zim.

though these myths had been refuted several times but ppers still believe the following:

1) Malik is a minnow basher (though he got better stats against major teams)
2) Malik ALways perform against SL (JA)
3) Malik is only good in Subcontinent
4) Malik always performs in Dead-Rubbers (SS n WA) (Yes, I do not believe any test as a dead-rubber for the reason that there is no next round to qualify, however, wiki suggests otherwise)

Had Malik scored vs zim/SL, ppers would be saying the above points again...

so at least, now they wont be able to raise those points.

obviously not good for his career...but Malik is very strong willed person...so he will be back...

strong-willed-child.jpg
 
he always struggled againt anyone bowling faster than 110 ks, but I've never seen him struggle this much and that too against a part time spinner, this is not even the average cricketer that was Shoaib Malik, this is just shocking.

My observation, whenever we see Malik dropping catch...expect him to not perform with bat and ball...

he does not look comfortable/natural while fielding, bowling or batting...
I wonder, what's bugging him.
 
Misbah says Shoaib's looking good in the nets and he'll be back amongst the runs soon. Confidence issue it seems.
 
this just shows the quality of our domestic cricket, in domestic malik was making runs game after game when he got selected in international level, we all know what happenned

there was a gap (big one)
between
his last domestic match in QEA
and
his first international game.
 
Biwi raas nahi aayi.

I would not say but married life has it's own pressures...
and can negatively effect focus and concentration...

Plus, Sania should give him some space...I am still confused why she was at award-ceremony of Faysal-Bank T20.
 
Misbah is a professional and I expect him to say positive things about his teammates in media.

Thats what in cricindia

""He still has a lot of cricket in him and just needs one innings to get back in touch."
Misbah-ul-Haq backs Shoaib Malik to come good soon"

maybe firework can tell us about his comment about malik being good in nets
 
to be fair with Malik, there was no win situation for him in this match...even in previous series vs Zim.

though these myths had been refuted several times but ppers still believe the following:

1) Malik is a minnow basher (though he got better stats against major teams)
2) Malik ALways perform against SL (JA)
3) Malik is only good in Subcontinent
4) Malik always performs in Dead-Rubbers (SS n WA) (Yes, I do not believe any test as a dead-rubber for the reason that there is no next round to qualify, however, wiki suggests otherwise)

Had Malik scored vs zim/SL, ppers would be saying the above points again...

so at least, now they wont be able to raise those points.

obviously not good for his career...but Malik is very strong willed person...so he will be back...

strong-willed-child.jpg
All those things are true, but...lets say in the 5 innings he had, he scored 5 centuries.


A LOT of people, including me, would have applauded the effort and probably wanted him given more chances. Especially with a brittle batting line up, and Younus and Misbah slowing it all down.



You can't have it both ways. The fact Malik couldn't even live up to his very few strengths (score on dead pitches against weak opposition), shows that he is no longer the cricketer you think he once was.



Its quite impressive you found a silver linning out of his recent innings, but believe me, that was nothing to be happy about.
 
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All those things are true, but...lets say in the 5 innings he had, he scored 5 centuries.


A LOT of people, including me, would have applauded the effort

might have applauded but still criticize him for my above mentioned points...(I saw only one pper, who softened his stance when he performed in QEA last year...all other haters were unchanged)

Yes, it's bad for his career.(i am sure it will turned good sooner than later)...but now less ammunition with haters.
 
the myth that he is a batsman has also been refuted.

You were once his fan

then

you were not

then

few weeks ago, you wanted to re-join the fan-club

and now

he is not even a batsman in your view.


:facepalm: @ your nizakat
 
Yes, it's bad for his career.(i am sure it will turned good sooner than later)...but now less ammunition with haters.

I think the net effect is...more ammunition for the haters.


You have hung around W63 for too long.


Most Pakistani fans don't have that long of a memory. Outstanding performances in those matches could have made him popular again.


Infact, the last 2 ODI's we could have easily lost. He had a chance to make a big name for himself. He didn't take the opportunity. Shame really......


If he does it against England, it will always mean less, because he would do it for a winning team.

SL was our first really major scalp in years. To be the catalyst in that win would have got him more honours.
 
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SL was our first really major scalp in years. To be the catalyst in that win would have got him more honours.

I am having trouble accepting SL as a major team...and everyone was expecting us to win comfortably...

I may suggest someday a framework for declaring some team (i.e WI, SL, NZL) a minnow.


As I said, not good for Malik personally but no harm done to net result for Pakistan.

personally, i do not want him to go to BD with team...he needs some time away from all this...

Staying with team and not playing a match (3 tests and then 3 odis) must have killed his confidence.
 
You were once his fan

then

you were not

then

few weeks ago, you wanted to re-join the fan-club

and now

he is not even a batsman in your view.


:facepalm: @ your nizakat

not a fan, I simply backed him when all were against him in his tough times.

but Malik sahab looks crappier than ever, and we have good replacements, so he better ship up or get lost!
 
Staying with team and not playing a match (3 tests and then 3 odis) must have killed his confidence.

So much for being a strong-willed person, then... eh?

As a professional, he should be able to rise above all of this and claim his opportunity when presented. Malik didn't do that, hence he should be dropped on the account of performance, as well as on the account of being not strong enough mentally.
 
the myth that he is a batsman has also been refuted.

:)))
This is exactly why I don't want this thread closed!



You were once his fan

then

you were not

then

few weeks ago, you wanted to re-join the fan-club

and now

he is not even a batsman in your view.


:facepalm: @ your nizakat

OK... BZ... in any other field (job, studies, being parent, being spouse, etc.... ) if the performance change.... then the actions, and reactions change.

Job: Once you could be top employee... but when you start to suck, you et fired.

Studies: Once you could be top student, but if you quit hard work, you start flunking.

Being Parent:
Once you could be favorite child, but if you start to be disrespectful (or being bad child), your parents punish you or kick you out of the house.

Being Spouse:
Last but not the least..... you could fall in love head over heel to the girl of your dream...... get married but if you start being a$$-hole husband, she will kick you of the house before you can blink your eyes.

Yes, there are a few things we'll support no matter what.... one is Pakistan cricket team..... and Malik could be bigger than team for you but for us ..... players like Malik are dime-a-dozen....

...... keep your nazakat argument for yourself because we only support Pakistan team and don't wish Pakistan team a loss when our favorite player in not playing.... like YOU DO!
 
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Misbah says Shoaib's looking good in the nets and he'll be back amongst the runs soon. Confidence issue it seems.

Maybe because there are no stumps and fielders in the nets

:)))
 
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SL are the one team you would expect Malik to score against and he cant even do that now!
 
I am having trouble accepting SL as a major team...and everyone was expecting us to win comfortably...

I may suggest someday a framework for declaring some team (i.e WI, SL, NZL) a minnow.
.

The why were you screaming form the top of your lungs before the team for SL series announced that Malik should be selected becuase that is Malik's favorite punching bag???????
 
there was a gap (big one)
between
his last domestic match in QEA
and
his first international game.

Afridi had biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig gap between his retirement and Sri Lankan series.... and you don't even think that Afridi belongs in the ODI team! :)))
 
The why were you screaming form the top of your lungs before the team for SL series announced that Malik should be selected becuase that is Malik's favorite punching bag???????

In tests, Yes.
but they never gave him the chance..naturally it might have shattered his belief in team.
 
OK... BZ... in any other field (job, studies, being parent, being spouse, etc.... ) if the performance change.... then the actions, and reactions change.

Job: Once you could be top employee... but when you start to suck, you et fired.

Studies: Once you could be top student, but if you quit hard work, you start flunking.

Being Parent:
Once you could be favorite child, but if you start to be disrespectful (or being bad child), your parents punish you or kick you out of the house.

Being Spouse:
Last but not the least..... you could fall in love head over heel to the girl of your dream...... get married but if you start being a$$-hole husband, she will kick you of the house before you can blink your eyes.

Yes, there are a few things we'll support no matter what.... one is Pakistan cricket team..... and Malik could be bigger than team for you but for us ..... players like Malik are dime-a-dozen....

...... keep your nazakat argument for yourself because we only Pakistan team and don't wish Pakistan team a loss when our favorite player in not playing.... like YOU DO!

Ponting!
 
The why were you screaming form the top of your lungs before the team for SL series announced that Malik should be selected becuase that is Malik's favorite punching bag???????
Guy was clearly in good domestic form. Which is why I thought he deserved a recall. His failure was to convert that domestic form to the international arena. He failed to do this. Just like many guys have done before him. And now hence deserves to be kicked out.

It's how international cricket should work in my opinion. Pick guys on good domestic form, see if they swim, if they don't send them back to domestic. Like the fact that any batsman, should be able to earn their way back in the side if they are able to impress in domestic (and do better/ make themselves a better option than competing guys). The domestic form Malik's shown recently has been very good, he's been amongst the top run scorers in domestic and looked in great touch. Thus deserved his recall. And now has had his chance.
 
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In tests, Yes.
but they never gave him the chance..naturally it might have shattered his belief in team.

Seriously this thread must have 2000 posts which are just sorry **** lame excuses for maliks failure from you!

Its pure comedy at the highest level! :)))
 
Regarding these two outs...though I haven't seen his wicket of today.
but if he played at back foot then i guess he seems careless. (not even trying to read the ball from hand or from wicket)
BZ said:
Staying with team and not playing a match (3 tests and then 3 odis) must have killed his confidence.

Can't make up your mind.... looks like you are having some issues playing our googlies...like your hero!!! :P :P

...and you STILL want a player who is careless and has no confidence leading the team? ;-)
 
Can't make up your mind.... looks like you are having some issues playing our googlies...like your hero!!! :P :P

...and you STILL want a player who is careless and has no confidence leading the team? ;-)

0.1 OVERS - W63L35 Bowls a rip roaring Leg spinner and catches Black zero on the back foot and hes gone LBW. 1st ball duck for Black zero.

:)))
 

What does that mean in terms of AZ and my posts ... ?? But you, being the digression king...... let's talk about Ponting...

First of all Ponting has @26,000 international runs and Malik as @ 6000. See the difference of 20,000 runs?? Malik could be anything BUT Ponting.

Second... here is what Malik has done in last 34 innings....
ONE fifity!

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...an;template=results;type=batting;view=innings


here is is what Ponting did in has last 34 innings.....
One 100 and FIVE fifties!

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...an;template=results;type=batting;view=innings


Third .... for the period of that time ... he was the captain.

Fourth..... even with this 10 times better record than Malik..... almost all ex-cricketer (Australians) were calling for his head.
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=4307464&postcount=1

Fifth...... Ponting is getting old and reflexes may be getting slow.... but Malik is a spring chick according to you.
 
I am having trouble accepting SL as a major team...and everyone was expecting us to win comfortably...

I may suggest someday a framework for declaring some team (i.e WI, SL, NZL) a minnow.
.


Then why were you screaming form the top of your lungs before the team for SL series announced that Malik should be selected becuase Sri Lanak is Malik's favorite punching bag???????


In tests, Yes.
but they never gave him the chance..naturally it might have shattered his belief in team.


Are you admitting Malik is a minnow basher???????????????? :O :O
 
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Guy was clearly in good domestic form. Which is why I thought he deserved a recall. His failure was to convert that domestic form to the international arena. He failed to do this. Just like many guys have done before him. And now hence deserves to be kicked out.

It's how international cricket should work in my opinion. Pick guys on good domestic form, see if they swim, if they don't send them back to domestic. Like the fact that any batsman, should be able to earn their way back in the side if they are able to impress in domestic (and do better/ make themselves a better option than competing guys). The domestic form Malik's shown recently has been very good, he's been amongst the top run scorers in domestic and looked in great touch. Thus deserved his recall. And now has had his chance.

Slight correction.... he was in very good form before Zimbabwe series in QAE Trophy (for 1st class matches).

He played a decent (not great) domestic T20 tournament but was picked for Tests and ODIs against SL.... and one T20.

I think.... BZ is totally confused .... I repeat .... totally confused when he can't even classify Malik as T20, ODI or test players.

BZ ... yaara, tell us today.... like you say Afridi only belongs in T20 team... tell us which team should Malik play... and why.... and based on what domestic performance. Yes we know ... sitting on the bench kills his confidence ... but besides that?
 
BZ said:
personally, i do not want him to go to BD with team...he needs some time away from all this...

Already laying foundation for reasons and excuses of his failures in BD? :))


Some time???? Can you & I agree on 10 years? :P

why doesn't he retire like afridi .... stay away for 8-9 months and then come back .. be the man of the series! :P
 
What does that supposed to mean Blitz? I though... you liked me? :P

I do, it was a compliment :afridi.



You've hammered BZ for so long.....he now feels the need to justify everything to everyone to your level :D
 
Are you admitting Malik is a minnow basher???????????????? :O :O

i was trying to convey..that in my suggested framework no one would be minnow or major permanently...and a team could be a minnow in a test format but main in ODIs.

ranking based on last ten matches ...
ranking would also consider:

- Home/Neutral/Away
- Playing against minnow/main
- performance would be weighted (think about exponential moving average)
 
It's near to impossible to lose against Zim/This SL/BD.
:))
So when Malik win 10-0 against Zim/BD ...... you make nice colored charts about leadership......

Misbah wins against World Cup finalist and a team ranked ahead of us..... you put SL in the same category as BD/ZIM.....???? way to go BZ!!! I didn't know there is shortage of fairness in Kanaydah!


and it's all easy ride till next year Asia Cup.

.... becuase Malik is not leading?
O.. wait what about England??
 
O.. wait what about England??

- ball wont seam.
- ball wont rise
- not too many left-handers...they have an offies who can't bowl doosra...so i expect a draw in tests...and win(s) in odis...as we will play odis on turning tracks.
 
You were once his fan

then

you were not

then

few weeks ago, you wanted to re-join the fan-club


and now

he is not even a batsman in your view.



:facepalm: @ your nizakat


i was trying to convey..that in my suggested framework no one would be minnow or major permanently...and a team could be a minnow in a test format but main in ODIs.

ranking based on last ten matches ...
ranking would also consider:

- Home/Neutral/Away
- Playing against minnow/main
- performance would be weighted (think about exponential moving average)


So you change your opinion .... it is OK.... but when somebody else does.... it is nazakat?? ;-)

:))) :))) @ your nizakat ...... or should I call it usual double standards?
 
- ball wont seam - (for BOTH TEAMS)
- ball wont rise - (for BOTH TEAMS)
- not too many left-handers...they have an offies who can't bowl doosra...so i expect a draw in tests...and win(s) in odis...as we will play odis on turning tracks.

So... if Misbah leads us to victory vs England... you will categorize.... the team as:

Black Zero said:
It's near to impossible to lose against Zim/This SL/BD/This Eng.
 
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Black Zero said:
Regarding these two outs...though I haven't seen his wicket of today.
but if he played at back foot then i guess he seems careless. (not even trying to read the ball from hand or from wicket)

Black Zero said:
Staying with team and not playing a match (3 tests and then 3 odis) must have killed his confidence.

This thread had new lease of life thanks to jeevan mendis.

Ooooo Come on.... are your trying to saying our own hero had no hand in giving life to this thread???? Just read BZ's reason. Now what if our hero was a little careful ... or he did not lose confidence.... then Mendis would not have been able to do anything to stop Malik from scoring first 300 in ODIs.

Please don't trying to take any credit away from Malik ... that BZ has already given him!
 
Obviously Malik is the main hero of this flick(thread) but we have to acknowledge Elton Chigumbura and jeevan mends for their supporting role.
 
Thats what in cricindia

""He still has a lot of cricket in him and just needs one innings to get back in touch."
Misbah-ul-Haq backs Shoaib Malik to come good soon"

maybe firework can tell us about his comment about malik being good in nets

Misbah is a professional and I expect him to say positive things about his teammates in media.

Last two paragraphs. :malik

http://m.espncricinfo.com/s/5643/60...ing performance'&storyNo=541833&allinOne=true
 
catch out is also as bad as lbw/bowled/run out/stump etc.
so?

Lol, you missed the point. Lbw & Bowled are considered similar dismissal because batsman had missed the ball heading into stumps. I was replying to your earlier post saying Malik hasnt been bowled in the series (so far)
 
Lol, you missed the point. Lbw & Bowled are considered similar dismissal because batsman had missed the ball heading into stumps. I was replying to your earlier post saying Malik hasnt been bowled in the series (so far)

Misbah said that SM looked good in net and then AJ said that as there were no wkts and fielders...

so if you mis-read bowler in nets and it hit on your pads...would it look good?

bottom line..AJ's jugat was not relevant.
 
bottom line..AJ's jugat was not relevant.

OK.. then let's discuss the relevant stuff....

So beside the hero being careless and lack-of-confidence, what is your third, 4th, 5th, 6th..... etc... excuse for 2(22) and the Golden Buttakh?
 
So you find the comment weird but how about your support for Malik?

well what you think about someone..who hates malik ('s performance) but then include malik in his fantasy team when he needed some push to go from #3 to #1.

what kind of hate/love this is?

Maybe SS shed some light to solve this puzzle...
 
well what you think about someone..who hates malik ('s performance) but then include malik in his fantasy team when he needed some push to go from #3 to #1.

what kind of hate/love this is?

Maybe SS shed some light to solve this puzzle...

:)))

You are sometimes funny!!

I did explain .... that why I picked Malik....to see if law-of-probabilities hold.... that may be after 33 failure, he may succeed 34th time..... but your hero defied that law also.

and I thought .....may be Misbah give him enough bowling that he may pick a couple of wicket by fluke and I make some points. I have jayawardene and ... and did not want to pick Chamara Silva... so I admit ... MADE A HUGE MISTAKE...... and paid the price.

I picked Sri Lankan players... does not mean I LOVE them! You can have all the Malik-love all you want.... better you than me! :P
 
:)))

You are sometimes funny!!

I did explain .... that why I picked Malik....to see if law-of-probabilities hold.... that may be after 33 failure, he may succeed 34th time..... but your hero defied that law also.

and I thought .....may be Misbah give him enough bowling that he may pick a couple of wicket by fluke and I make some points. I have jayawardene and ... and did not want to pick Chamara Silva... so I admit ... MADE A HUGE MISTAKE...... and paid the price.

I picked Sri Lankan players... does not mean I LOVE them! You can have all the Malik-love all you want.... better you than me! :P

not convincing...for me...

lets see how other haters take this news.
 
:O

This is shocking news indeed.


I have no words :)


One of those ''oh snap'' moments, that shake the very foundation of forums :O
 
this just shows the quality of our domestic cricket, in domestic malik was making runs game after game when he got selected in international level, we all know what happenned

To be fair, he barely managed to get his FC average above 30 last year, prior to which it was in the mid to high 20s for about 14 years so the domestic setup isn't anywhere near as bad as you make it out to be.
 
not convincing...for me...
OMG..... I will not be able to sleep tonight!!!!


lets see how other haters take this news.

What do you mean "other hater" .... does that you are a lover? :P

He is nice person, we like him as person .... as long as he is sitting on the bench and not ruining our team's chances to win with his 2(22) and 0(1) type performances.
 
WL had him in his fantasy team???

WL you deserve a punishment. Batao tumari kya sazah honi chahiye??
How about you prove the unees bhis theory. BZ have said good ten times that YK aur Malik main unees bhees ka faraq hai. You picked Malik and for this crime you are going to produce a chart proving this unees bhees theory. Test cricket is included because according to BZ Sahab they have a similar test career path.
 
WL had him in his fantasy team???

WL you deserve a punishment. Batao tumari kya sazah honi chahiye??
.
I admitted my fault and gave my reasons.... now if jury does not agree with my reasons, I'll take the punishment and won't even appeal! :asif :butt

How about you prove the unees bhis theory. BZ have said good ten times that YK aur Malik main unees bhees ka faraq hai. You picked Malik and for this crime you are going to produce a chart proving this unees bhees theory. Test cricket is included because according to BZ Sahab they have a similar test career path.

I already done that few times...... he does not seem to remember it... or does not want to remember it.
 
W63L35 - you selected Malik in your fantasy team?

WTH :facepalm:

OoooooH come on..... It's not like I have 1000+ post in this thread SUPPORTING Malik???? :P

I did not kill anybody..... I did not steal.... yes, I selected Malik in my fantasy team.. I know, it is a big crime/sin ... and I have already paid the price by not winning the Pakistan shirt! :69: :69: :69:

Stop making feel guilty..... please!!!! Just selecting him was a punishment enough.

Had I known, it would disappoint my friend like you and SS so much, I would never revealed that I selected him. At least show some mercy for honesty! :(
 
Ab aisle kaam nahi chale ga. Punishment qabool Karo warna......


Sazah increase bi ho sakti hai.

How about proving Malik is better then bradman?
 
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