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Should Mohammad Rizwan still be in the squad after his preformance in the Champions One-Day Cup 2024

Local.Dada said:
Pak teams usually have 2 types of captains

The man’s man- alpha types- Imran. Wasim, Misbah, Younis Khan, Inzamam

The uncharismatic street cricketer who works magic from the background with practical and common sense moves- Miandad, Sarfaraz etc

Rizwan is the closest who can be a bridge between the 2 categories
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Misbah, Inzi and Probably Malik belong in a middle category. They weren't the big personalities or have the auras of the others.

Riz will be in the third category you have described. I hope he is successful. I think he could be in ODI but in T20 im less convinced. He did a good today imo
 
Can someone tell me what is actually so “street smart” about Rizwan?

Javed was considered street smart because of the way he played, his tricky innovative batting, the way he sledged players and talked and talked to get under their skin. He was literally up for a street fight in the middle.

When has rizwan shown any of that?
 
TheSultan said:
Can someone tell me what is actually so “street smart” about Rizwan?

Javed was considered street smart because of the way he played, his tricky innovative batting, the way he sledged players and talked and talked to get under their skin. He was literally up for a street fight in the middle.

When has rizwan shown any of that?
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He touches the captain’s hand during trophy photo shoots.
 
Miandad was a genuine crises man.

Rizwan is also a crises man, but he causes the catastrophe hence the name crises man
 
TheSultan said:
Can someone tell me what is actually so “street smart” about Rizwan?

Javed was considered street smart because of the way he played, his tricky innovative batting, the way he sledged players and talked and talked to get under their skin. He was literally up for a street fight in the middle.

When has rizwan shown any of that?
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You missed his smart keeping, his smart virtual captaincy in tests series against England and his smart sledging "No more Bazball" and " welcome to Aqibball" amongst his other annoying comments to oppositions to put them off.
 
PakPremi said:
You missed his smart keeping, his smart virtual captaincy in tests series against England and his smart sledging "No more Bazball" and " welcome to Aqibball" amongst his other annoying comments to oppositions to put them off.
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1. Most world keepers are smart keepers but they don’t get this tag.
2. Give me an example of his “smart virtual captaincy”
3. No more bazball? Is that it? That wasn’t even a sledge. It’s cute (I think batsman smiled at him endearingly) if that, but it’s not anywhere Javed.

You do know Javed was considered street smart because he made the opposition hate him. He’d annoy them over and over again, they literally wanted to kill him and went off their game plan, but he was always in control and laughing inside probably with a cheeky wink to himself.

Rizwan is a lovable chap for the opposition. He’ll look dreamily in to their eyes, give them a smile and pat on the back. Lovely and fluffy
 
PakPremi said:
You missed his smart keeping, his smart virtual captaincy in tests series against England and his smart sledging "No more Bazball" and " welcome to Aqibball" amongst his other annoying comments to oppositions to put them off.
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So, we won the 2nd and 3rd Test not because of Sajid and Noman’s brilliant bowling, but because of Rizwan’s "street-smart" tactics?

Where was Rizwan’s street smartness during the past three years when we were losing Tests at home?
 
I noticed that Rizwan was trying to be extra aggressive with his pacers and in doing so he never tried any spinners.

I believe he could have gotten a breakthrough if he had given them a chance to salman agha.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
I noticed that Rizwan was trying to be extra aggressive with his pacers and in doing so he never tried any spinners.

I believe he could have gotten a breakthrough if he had given them a chance to salman agha.
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I so wish we had Faisal or Arafat. They could have wrapped up the tail.
 
TheSultan said:
1. Most world keepers are smart keepers but they don’t get this tag.
2. Give me an example of his “smart virtual captaincy”
3. No more bazball? Is that it? That wasn’t even a sledge. It’s cute (I think batsman smiled at him endearingly) if that, but it’s not anywhere Javed.

You do know Javed was considered street smart because he made the opposition hate him. He’d annoy them over and over again, they literally wanted to kill him and went off their game plan, but he was always in control and laughing inside probably with a cheeky wink to himself.

Rizwan is a lovable chap for the opposition. He’ll look dreamily in to their eyes, give them a smile and pat on the back. Lovely and fluffy
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1) Yes but are they street smart Alpha Males 🫠.

2) Did you not hear him say block bowlers from run ups by having imaginary issues qith the sight screen? It's clear this was a deliberate tactic to tire out the bowlers.

Jokes aside anyone who's even watched highlights or Miandad would know how good he was and it's an insult to compare rizwan to miandad.

Miandad was a proper crises man. His 1 wicket 1986 victory against India is an ATG innings and possibly the greatest innings any pakistani batter has ever played all time in odi.

The dude was a proper surgeon when it came to pulling his team out of a crises situation and manufacturing wins from lost positions.

Rizwan doesn't even know how to bat with the tail, In odi and t20 he covers this up, but in tests he frequently gets exposed for it.

90% of the time the tail collapses thanks to this bafoon. This is what happens when you bring in selfish batters like misbah and rizwan who only play for themselves.

Both these 2 have no clue on how to bat according to the situation or even construct a proper batting plan.
 
Rizwan avg 29 and sr 80 in champions cup.

Then avg 19 in the England test series.

I wonder what he'll avg in the aussie series.

So far he's standing tall with an impressive avg of 41 and a horrible SR or 61 🫠
 
Kianig89 said:
That's like a alpha male given the low.scoring series , time for some soul searching now
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I made this thread as a rizzu stat sheet so I'll post his stats every series. Staying loyal on it
 
Rizzu's Performance since this thread was made.

Champions one day cup

29 Avg 80 SR

England test series

19 avg

Australia odi series

74 Avg 75 Sr
 
mominsaigol said:
Rizzu's Performance since this thread was made.

Champions one day cup

29 Avg 80 SR

England test series

19 avg

Australia odi series

74 Avg 75 Sr
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I'm so glad this Karachi/regionalism thing doesn't exist in Indian cricket (largely).
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Mumbai favoritism/regionalism has existed in Indian cricket for years
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Yep, there was a time when 10 out of 11 cricketers were from Mumbai (Gavaskar, Vengsarkar, Shastri, etc.) and one not from Mumbai: Bishen Singh Bedi.

Now we have outgrown that.
 
Varun said:
Yep, there was a time when 10 out of 11 cricketers were from Mumbai (Gavaskar, Vengsarkar, Shastri, etc.) and one not from Mumbai: Bishen Singh Bedi.

Now we have outgrown that.
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Certain people believe it is still a big part of Indian cricket. Personally, I don't know enough about the inner-workings of Indian cricket to say something on this. But if you say that India have outgrown that then that's good to hear I guess.
 
Kianig89 said:
Wish there was a button to stone the thread or slap , some fans are here with agenda harsh but true.
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Well if I hadn't made this thread and you commenting what you just commented wouldn't be possible either.

I find it a win win
 
If Sarfaraz can be in the squad without any performances as captain then why not riz, whose record as a batter is miles better than Sarfaraz and now he became the 2nd captain to beat Australia in Australia.
 
Varun said:
I'm so glad this Karachi/regionalism thing doesn't exist in Indian cricket (largely).
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It doesn't exist in Pakistan either. It's just something invented by fans and some bitter ex players.
 
Complete botcher, always goes missing when Pakistan actually needs him. Gand keeper and gand t20 opener

0 of 2 today in a chase where he's required.

Gi go gi tasali for this bottle job @Kianig89 @Hyder

You won't be advocating for rizzu > Klaseen now will you?
 
@Major @shah9425

Will the 2 of you also remember this game for the rest of time? Or will you only remember rizzu's selective performances? Ig you're not true fans after all 🤣🤣.

It's a good thing I made this thread. Rizzu ki saari history aidhar
 
Why is this clown a t20 opener? Even his fan boys today are claiming that he can't hit straight up? So why is he captaining the side?
 
mominsaigol said:
Complete botcher, always goes missing when Pakistan actually needs him. Gand keeper and gand t20 opener

0 of 2 today in a chase where he's required.

Gi go gi tasali for this bottle job @Kianig89 @Hyder

You won't be advocating for rizzu > Klaseen now will you?
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I thought tests were a big deal then why you overlooking tests lol
 
Hyder said:
I thought tests were a big deal then why you overlooking tests lol
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They are? But Klaseen easily makes it into the pakistan test squad. No need for a 19 avg batter who's always a bunny against England in test.

Similarly klaseen can also easily replace Babar in tests who's a walking wicket even on road pitches
 
Rizwan is better than any wk in Pakistan. Do you think anyone is better?
 
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khyberlion said:
Rizwan is better than any wk in Pakistan. Do you think anyone is better?
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Yes I do. I think there are keepers+batters better suited to each format than Rizwan for the sake of team balance.

Do you think Rizwan’s stats suggest he is better than Klaasen the way you believe his stats make him better than everyone in Pakistan?

Be clear in your argument.
 
Why don’t you answer the question, you can say you think Rizwan is better than Klaasen. What’s going to happen? You won’t receive a fine for stating your opinion.
 
Rana said:
Why don’t you answer the question, you can say you think Rizwan is better than Klaasen. What’s going to happen? You won’t receive a fine for stating your opinion.
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You believe Mustafa Raza is better than rizwan. You won't get an answer from me till you have answered my question and I have indirectly answered this anyway.
 
khyberlion said:
You believe Mustafa Raza is better than rizwan. You won't get an answer from me till you have answered my question and I have indirectly answered this anyway.
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So I take your reluctance to answer as an admission that you believe Klaasen is better than Rizwan?
 
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khyberlion said:
Is Raza Mustafa one of them😂? Sorry I can't take some seriously who thinks that.
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Raza Ul Mustafa is superior to Rizzu at the same age

A 20 year old raza > A 20 year old Rizzu.

Back in 2008-2015, When no one ever bothered to watch under 19 cricket, I was watching it in full swing.

Back then the best players from Pakistan

1) Sami Aslam (The best)
2) Babar Azam (The 2nd best)
3) Zafar Gohar (Best spinner)
4) Mohammad Asghar (2nd best spinner)
5) Haris sohail (Was drafted the earliest ironically and well deserved)

Rizwan also use to play during this time and he was absolute rubbish. Infact he was a certified tail ender. It wasn't until He got randomly promoted to an opener in SNGPL that he went from crap to medicore and got his call up in 2015 however he remained rubbish.

In 2016 they even played him in t20 over sarfi despite sarfi being vc and he failed. Them in 2018 he was the weakest batter in the trinseries. The same tri series where fakhar took pakistan to no 1.

Rizwan took nearly 13 years to improve after being given certain positions and being backed by Misbah.

The rizzu of today has improved and isnt the worst but he took 12 years to reach this feat. It shows how much backing he got from Misbah and even @Major who hypes rizzu to the moon admits that sngpl saved rizzu's career otherwise even cricinfo articles from back then claimed that rizwam's career would only occur in a parallel universe

Raza is very early into his career and honestly he's only played 10 fc games and 3 list A games so I can't tell atm, but based of what he's shown, He's defo > 20 year old rizzu.

So we'll see. Let's wait till he's at rizzu's age range.

Sami aslam didn't get the backing he deserved but granted he himself is a crybaby. However Haroon Rasheed axed him after one game for Ahmed shehzad despite sami aslam having proved that he was far far superior to the likes of Shan masood, Shehzad and various others and deserves a long rope as an odi and test opener.

Babar is here, Zafar gohar is no where to be seen deapite being 100x superior to these shadab's and Nawaz 's, same cause of haris sohail who got riddled qith injuries and his left foot has more talent then rizzu.

The truth is rizzu was a rubbish batter who's career got saved cause misbah lobes promoting mediocrity.

I've never seen a single player in the history of this game from any nation to get 13 YEARS OF BACKING.

Makes me wonder what Misbah's and rizzu's relationship really is. Maybe their relatives in some way shape or form.
 
mominsaigol said:
Raza Ul Mustafa is superior to Rizzu at the same age

A 20 year old raza > A 20 year old Rizzu.

Back in 2008-2015, When no one ever bothered to watch under 19 cricket, I was watching it in full swing.

Back then the best players from Pakistan

1) Sami Aslam (The best)
2) Babar Azam (The 2nd best)
3) Zafar Gohar (Best spinner)
4) Mohammad Asghar (2nd best spinner)
5) Haris sohail (Was drafted the earliest ironically and well deserved)

Rizwan also use to play during this time and he was absolute rubbish. Infact he was a certified tail ender. It wasn't until He got randomly promoted to an opener in SNGPL that he went from crap to medicore and got his call up in 2015 however he remained rubbish.

In 2016 they even played him in t20 over sarfi despite sarfi being vc and he failed. Them in 2018 he was the weakest batter in the trinseries. The same tri series where fakhar took pakistan to no 1.

Rizwan took nearly 13 years to improve after being given certain positions and being backed by Misbah.

The rizzu of today has improved and isnt the worst but he took 12 years to reach this feat. It shows how much backing he got from Misbah and even @Major who hypes rizzu to the moon admits that sngpl saved rizzu's career otherwise even cricinfo articles from back then claimed that rizwam's career would only occur in a parallel universe

Raza is very early into his career and honestly he's only played 10 fc games and 3 list A games so I can't tell atm, but based of what he's shown, He's defo > 20 year old rizzu.

So we'll see. Let's wait till he's at rizzu's age range.

Sami aslam didn't get the backing he deserved but granted he himself is a crybaby. However Haroon Rasheed axed him after one game for Ahmed shehzad despite sami aslam having proved that he was far far superior to the likes of Shan masood, Shehzad and various others and deserves a long rope as an odi and test opener.

Babar is here, Zafar gohar is no where to be seen deapite being 100x superior to these shadab's and Nawaz 's, same cause of haris sohail who got riddled qith injuries and his left foot has more talent then rizzu.

The truth is rizzu was a rubbish batter who's career got saved cause misbah lobes promoting mediocrity.

I've never seen a single player in the history of this game from any nation to get 13 YEARS OF BACKING.

Makes me wonder what Misbah's and rizzu's relationship really is. Maybe their relatives in some way shape or form.
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Another long essays full of lies and irrelevant stories.

Who is even comparing 20 year old rizwan with 20 year old Mustafa Raza? We are talking about now. I have seen Mustafa bat and as I said before will do well to have a FC career let alone international. So far I stand correct.
 
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khyberlion said:
And Rizwan smashes the living day lights of our wk's. End on discussion.
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KA is superior to Rizzu 100%.

Sarfraz at his peak is > Rizzu at his peak but otherwise yes, Rizwan is superior to sarfi. Unlike you I don't run away or deny the truth. Sarfi let himself go both fitness and performance wise.

If rizzu manages to surpass 2014-2016 Sarfi then I'll be the first to point it out.

As for KA, Kamran Akmal in as a corpse in 2018 was superior to Rizwan. He was still smacking rubbish bowlers that rizzu was struggling with in psl.

It's a shame he batted in an earlier era and never had the luxury of playing such crap bangaldeshi bowling attacks on rubbish pindi wickets nor did he have the luxury of playing a c string aus in 2019.

Stats in this era are a genuine joke when bavuma is averaging higher, Has more runs and slightly higher sr then some sa bats deapite being the worst batter in the sa squad 🤣
 
khyberlion said:
For a start I am not a rizwan fan. As I have clearly said he has no business opening in t20s or batting at 4 in odis and even becoming the captain. Secondly I don't need support for something which is universally accepted. It is you guys who keep liking each other posts and quoting.
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All I've ever said is that KA is > Rizzu and that Peak sarfi is > Peak rizzu but overall rizzu is superior as longetivity counts.

The rest I've already stated I don't want rizzu to ever bat at no 4 in odi, Or opening in t20 or leading the side which you've agreed with.

So idkw you keep arguing with me. My job isn't to convince anyone, idrc.

^^ These are the takes I believe in and these are the takes I have argued for and presented arguments for irrespective of whether you lot agree or disagree.


to this day I have never understood why you ever do this 🤣🤣.
 
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mominsaigol said:
KA is superior to Rizzu 100%.

Sarfraz at his peak is > Rizzu at his peak but otherwise yes, Rizwan is superior to sarfi. Unlike you I don't run away or deny the truth. Sarfi let himself go both fitness and performance wise.

If rizzu manages to surpass 2014-2016 Sarfi then I'll be the first to point it out.

As for KA, Kamran Akmal in as a corpse in 2018 was superior to Rizwan. He was still smacking rubbish bowlers that rizzu was struggling with in psl.

It's a shame he batted in an earlier era and never had the luxury of playing such crap bangaldeshi bowling attacks on rubbish pindi wickets nor did he have the luxury of playing a c string aus in 2019.

Stats in this era are a genuine joke when bavuma is averaging higher, Has more runs and slightly higher sr then some sa bats deapite being the worst batter in the sa squad 🤣
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Rizwan has left them in dust years ago. You can come up with anything you want. You are acting as if sarfraz and Kamran akmal played in the 80s.
 
mominsaigol said:
All I've ever said is that KA is > Rizzu and that Peak sarfi is > Peak rizzu but overall rizzu is superior as longetivity counts.

The rest I've already stated I don't want rizzu to ever bat at no 4 in odi, Or opening in t20 or leading the side which you've agreed with.

So idkw you keep arguing with me. My job isn't to convince anyone, idrc.

^^ These are the takes I believe in and these are the takes I have argued for and presented arguments for irrespective of whether you lot agree or disagree.

Yet you keep fighting and addressing and pinging or liking bhegerat posts from Mamoon over and over again.

to this day I have never understood why you ever do this 🤣🤣.
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You can believe what you want. But on no planet Kamran akmal and sarfraz are better than rizwan. Why even in their peak their numbers are of tail ender outside SC?
 
emranabbas said:
They are all like that rizwan and babar fans

@Bewal Express and @shamaan are another 2 examples if they can't win an argument they will go personal and aggressive

Funny they both in a hiding today 🤣
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I'm aware. I've seen many posts from you vs these 2 as well. Usually I don't intervene but if my brothers ping me, then I got your back.
 
mominsaigol said:
They are? But Klaseen easily makes it into the pakistan test squad. No need for a 19 avg batter who's always a bunny against England in test.

Similarly klaseen can also easily replace Babar in tests who's a walking wicket even on road pitches
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He cant make it to his teams xi bro
 
mominsaigol said:
KA is superior to Rizzu 100%.

Sarfraz at his peak is > Rizzu at his peak but otherwise yes, Rizwan is superior to sarfi. Unlike you I don't run away or deny the truth. Sarfi let himself go both fitness and performance wise.

If rizzu manages to surpass 2014-2016 Sarfi then I'll be the first to point it out.

As for KA, Kamran Akmal in as a corpse in 2018 was superior to Rizwan. He was still smacking rubbish bowlers that rizzu was struggling with in psl.

It's a shame he batted in an earlier era and never had the luxury of playing such crap bangaldeshi bowling attacks on rubbish pindi wickets nor did he have the luxury of playing a c string aus in 2019.

Stats in this era are a genuine joke when bavuma is averaging higher, Has more runs and slightly higher sr then some sa bats deapite being the worst batter in the sa squad 🤣
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Ask all the bowlers who bowled with rizwan and kamran behind the stumps and you ll see no one wants kamran to be wicket keeper.
 
Hyder said:
Ask all the bowlers who bowled with rizwan and kamran behind the stumps and you ll see no one wants kamran to be wicket keeper.
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As a keeper rizzu is ahead of Kamran. Not as a batter
 
Hyder said:
You have to name a pakistan test xi. Will u pick kamran based on his 2 innings?
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My pakistan test 11

1) Saeed Anwar
2) Hanif Mohammad
3) Zaheer Abass/ Mohammad Yousaf
4) Younis Khan
5) Inzimam ul Haq
6) Javed Miandad
7) Imran Khan (C)
8) Wasim Akram
9) Wasim Bari
10) Waqar Younis
11) Saqlain Mushtaq

I'd take bari cause his keeping skills are out this world and he provides good numbers for a no 9 batter.

I'd rather play a specialist keeper then block out one of Imran, Miandad, or Inzi for rizwan lol
 
Hyder said:
Lol then happily pick him but no one. None of his contemporaries rate him. No bowlers of his team even rate him lol
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That's what the poster came up with Kamran akmal played against McGrath while averaging 14 in Australia. But Rizwan with 40 average is not good because it doesn't count because Australia played a c bowling attack in tests. The pitches in Australia are much more difficult now then they were.
 
khyberlion said:
That's what the poster came up with Kamran akmal played against McGrath while averaging 14 in Australia. But Rizwan with 40 average is not good because it doesn't count because Australia played a c bowling attack in tests. The pitches in Australia are much more difficult now then they were.
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The pitches in Australia are much more difficult now then they were.

Probably the worst comment ive seen. I live in sydney have visted SCG and MCG multiple times.

they've always been bouncy hells, and to top it off, they use to be harder back then due to the one ball in odi.

Classic Australia was damn near unbeatable at home cause no one besides them could tackle bounce and only mchrath knew how to bowl in Australia since he'd just spam flippers while every other spinner went for traditional spin which didn't work in aus and became half trackers.

The pitches in aus have always been the same. No difference.
 
mominsaigol said:
My pakistan test 11

1) Saeed Anwar
2) Hanif Mohammad
3) Zaheer Abass/ Mohammad Yousaf
4) Younis Khan
5) Inzimam ul Haq
6) Javed Miandad
7) Imran Khan (C)
8) Wasim Akram
9) Wasim Bari
10) Waqar Younis
11) Saqlain Mushtaq

I'd take bari cause his keeping skills are out this world and he provides good numbers for a no 9 batter.

I'd rather play a specialist keeper then block out one of Imran, Miandad, or Inzi for rizwan lol
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What on earth. U can't swallow ur pride and accept that rizwan is as good a keeper as anyone with better batting prowess. U vant just play with a specialist keeper who cant hold a bat. You can't even play dud bowlers who can't hold a bat as tail is very important as seen in many if the matches nowadays
 
mominsaigol said:
The pitches in Australia are much more difficult now then they were.

Probably the worst comment ive seen. I live in sydney have visted SCG and MCG multiple times.

they've always been bouncy hells, and to top it off, they use to be harder back then due to the one ball in odi.

Classic Australia was damn near unbeatable at home cause no one besides them could tackle bounce and only mchrath knew how to bowl in Australia since he'd just spam flippers while every other spinner went for traditional spin which didn't work in aus and became half trackers.

The pitches in aus have always been the same. No difference.
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So 14 avg is good. Then i dont wonder u are happy and accustomed to mediocrity
 
Hyder said:
What on earth. U can't swallow ur pride and accept that rizwan is as good a keeper as anyone with better batting prowess. U vant just play with a specialist keeper who cant hold a bat. You can't even play dud bowlers who can't hold a bat as tail is very important as seen in many if the matches nowadays
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Why on earth would I play rizzu over miandad, Imran or inzi?

Rizzu is rubbish when it comes to batting with the tail. He got exposed badly againat bamgaldesh for it.

And wasim akram is a better batter then rizzu. Yes you heard it correctly. Wasim Akram is a better batter them rizwan
 
Rizwan vs Wasim Bari will be close call, on fitness Rizwan makes the cut
 
The guy is an embarrassment - it’s like kids trying to drag everything to leg. Just such a poor player and poor advert for cricket.

Just accept you’re no better than a traditional keeper batsman and bat at 7 or lower.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Usman Khan and Azam Khan are the backups to replace rizwan? do u really own this suggestion?
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Rizzu needs to admit that he isn't better then your standard keeper or any keeper that Pakistan has had before.

He has no reason to bat as an opener ahead of saim and fakhar.
 
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