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Rizwan is a street Smart Alpha Male. Thats what pakpremi is trying to say.Misbah and alpha!!!
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Rizwan is a street Smart Alpha Male. Thats what pakpremi is trying to say.Misbah and alpha!!!
Misbah, Inzi and Probably Malik belong in a middle category. They weren't the big personalities or have the auras of the others.Pak teams usually have 2 types of captains
The man’s man- alpha types- Imran. Wasim, Misbah, Younis Khan, Inzamam
The uncharismatic street cricketer who works magic from the background with practical and common sense moves- Miandad, Sarfaraz etc
Rizwan is the closest who can be a bridge between the 2 categories
He touches the captain’s hand during trophy photo shoots.Can someone tell me what is actually so “street smart” about Rizwan?
Javed was considered street smart because of the way he played, his tricky innovative batting, the way he sledged players and talked and talked to get under their skin. He was literally up for a street fight in the middle.
When has rizwan shown any of that?
You missed his smart keeping, his smart virtual captaincy in tests series against England and his smart sledging "No more Bazball" and " welcome to Aqibball" amongst his other annoying comments to oppositions to put them off.Can someone tell me what is actually so “street smart” about Rizwan?
Javed was considered street smart because of the way he played, his tricky innovative batting, the way he sledged players and talked and talked to get under their skin. He was literally up for a street fight in the middle.
When has rizwan shown any of that?
1. Most world keepers are smart keepers but they don’t get this tag.You missed his smart keeping, his smart virtual captaincy in tests series against England and his smart sledging "No more Bazball" and " welcome to Aqibball" amongst his other annoying comments to oppositions to put them off.
The issue with Rizwan is that he approaches T20s like ODIs, plays ODIs as if they’re Tests, and treats Tests like if he's acting in filmsHe can replicate his T20 game in ODIs which is anchoring. If he can score 60-70 run at run a ball it's still okay. In ODIs he is useless at every other position
So, we won the 2nd and 3rd Test not because of Sajid and Noman’s brilliant bowling, but because of Rizwan’s "street-smart" tactics?You missed his smart keeping, his smart virtual captaincy in tests series against England and his smart sledging "No more Bazball" and " welcome to Aqibball" amongst his other annoying comments to oppositions to put them off.
I so wish we had Faisal or Arafat. They could have wrapped up the tail.I noticed that Rizwan was trying to be extra aggressive with his pacers and in doing so he never tried any spinners.
I believe he could have gotten a breakthrough if he had given them a chance to salman agha.
1) Yes but are they street smart Alpha Males .1. Most world keepers are smart keepers but they don’t get this tag.
2. Give me an example of his “smart virtual captaincy”
3. No more bazball? Is that it? That wasn’t even a sledge. It’s cute (I think batsman smiled at him endearingly) if that, but it’s not anywhere Javed.
You do know Javed was considered street smart because he made the opposition hate him. He’d annoy them over and over again, they literally wanted to kill him and went off their game plan, but he was always in control and laughing inside probably with a cheeky wink to himself.
Rizwan is a lovable chap for the opposition. He’ll look dreamily in to their eyes, give them a smile and pat on the back. Lovely and fluffy
Time will tell. Lots of time left.What will he avg today?
Will he be striking it 60? Cause Australia are headed to 400 brother. Fraser on and the trundler brigade ain't gonna bother himTime will tell. Lots of time left.
That's like a alpha male given the low.scoring series , time for some soul searching nowRizwan's stats this series vs Aus
74 avg 75 SR
I made this thread as a rizzu stat sheet so I'll post his stats every series. Staying loyal on itThat's like a alpha male given the low.scoring series , time for some soul searching now
Rizwan's stats this series vs Aus
74 avg 75 SR
Rizwan on the other hand is on the verge of a whitewash.
Rizzu's Performance since this thread was made.
Champions one day cup
29 Avg 80 SR
England test series
19 avg
Australia odi series
74 Avg 75 Sr
and won the series 2-1 as a captain.Rizzu's Performance since this thread was made.
Champions one day cup
29 Avg 80 SR
England test series
19 avg
Australia odi series
74 Avg 75 Sr
I wrote those numbers on the captaincy watch thread.and won the series 2-1 as a captain.
I'm from Karachi and wouldn't want anyone selected from there who isn't good enoughI'm so glad this Karachi/regionalism thing doesn't exist in Indian cricket (largely).
Mumbai favoritism/regionalism has existed in Indian cricket for yearsI'm so glad this Karachi/regionalism thing doesn't exist in Indian cricket (largely).
Mumbai favoritism/regionalism has existed in Indian cricket for years
Certain people believe it is still a big part of Indian cricket. Personally, I don't know enough about the inner-workings of Indian cricket to say something on this. But if you say that India have outgrown that then that's good to hear I guess.Yep, there was a time when 10 out of 11 cricketers were from Mumbai (Gavaskar, Vengsarkar, Shastri, etc.) and one not from Mumbai: Bishen Singh Bedi.
Now we have outgrown that.
Well if I hadn't made this thread and you commenting what you just commented wouldn't be possible either.Wish there was a button to stone the thread or slap , some fans are here with agenda harsh but true.
So that is your excuse.Well if I hadn't made this thread and you commenting what you just commented wouldn't be possible either.
I find it a win win
It doesn't exist in Pakistan either. It's just something invented by fans and some bitter ex players.I'm so glad this Karachi/regionalism thing doesn't exist in Indian cricket (largely).
I thought tests were a big deal then why you overlooking tests lol
They are? But Klaseen easily makes it into the pakistan test squad. No need for a 19 avg batter who's always a bunny against England in test.I thought tests were a big deal then why you overlooking tests lol
The only team he should be playing for is the Malakand Markhkrs alongside his parchi HaseebullahHe shouldn’t be playing PSL or National T20 let alone be the national team captain!
Yes I do. I think there are keepers+batters better suited to each format than Rizwan for the sake of team balance.Rizwan is better than any wk in Pakistan. Do you think anyone is better?
But can he average 40 odd in every format though? As I said I can't take someone seriously who thinks Mustafa Raza is better than rizwan.0(2), Raza can manage that as well.
You believe Mustafa Raza is better than rizwan. You won't get an answer from me till you have answered my question and I have indirectly answered this anyway.Why don’t you answer the question, you can say you think Rizwan is better than Klaasen. What’s going to happen? You won’t receive a fine for stating your opinion.
Best keeper Indeed and will be a great leader tooRizwan is better than any wk in Pakistan. Do you think anyone is better?
So I take your reluctance to answer as an admission that you believe Klaasen is better than Rizwan?You believe Mustafa Raza is better than rizwan. You won't get an answer from me till you have answered my question and I have indirectly answered this anyway.
Raza Ul Mustafa is superior to Rizzu at the same ageIs Raza Mustafa one of them? Sorry I can't take some seriously who thinks that.
Another long essays full of lies and irrelevant stories.Raza Ul Mustafa is superior to Rizzu at the same age
A 20 year old raza > A 20 year old Rizzu.
Back in 2008-2015, When no one ever bothered to watch under 19 cricket, I was watching it in full swing.
Back then the best players from Pakistan
1) Sami Aslam (The best)
2) Babar Azam (The 2nd best)
3) Zafar Gohar (Best spinner)
4) Mohammad Asghar (2nd best spinner)
5) Haris sohail (Was drafted the earliest ironically and well deserved)
Rizwan also use to play during this time and he was absolute rubbish. Infact he was a certified tail ender. It wasn't until He got randomly promoted to an opener in SNGPL that he went from crap to medicore and got his call up in 2015 however he remained rubbish.
In 2016 they even played him in t20 over sarfi despite sarfi being vc and he failed. Them in 2018 he was the weakest batter in the trinseries. The same tri series where fakhar took pakistan to no 1.
Rizwan took nearly 13 years to improve after being given certain positions and being backed by Misbah.
The rizzu of today has improved and isnt the worst but he took 12 years to reach this feat. It shows how much backing he got from Misbah and even @Major who hypes rizzu to the moon admits that sngpl saved rizzu's career otherwise even cricinfo articles from back then claimed that rizwam's career would only occur in a parallel universe
Raza is very early into his career and honestly he's only played 10 fc games and 3 list A games so I can't tell atm, but based of what he's shown, He's defo > 20 year old rizzu.
So we'll see. Let's wait till he's at rizzu's age range.
Sami aslam didn't get the backing he deserved but granted he himself is a crybaby. However Haroon Rasheed axed him after one game for Ahmed shehzad despite sami aslam having proved that he was far far superior to the likes of Shan masood, Shehzad and various others and deserves a long rope as an odi and test opener.
Babar is here, Zafar gohar is no where to be seen deapite being 100x superior to these shadab's and Nawaz 's, same cause of haris sohail who got riddled qith injuries and his left foot has more talent then rizzu.
The truth is rizzu was a rubbish batter who's career got saved cause misbah lobes promoting mediocrity.
I've never seen a single player in the history of this game from any nation to get 13 YEARS OF BACKING.
Makes me wonder what Misbah's and rizzu's relationship really is. Maybe their relatives in some way shape or form.
KA is superior to Rizzu 100%.And Rizwan smashes the living day lights of our wk's. End on discussion.
All I've ever said is that KA is > Rizzu and that Peak sarfi is > Peak rizzu but overall rizzu is superior as longetivity counts.For a start I am not a rizwan fan. As I have clearly said he has no business opening in t20s or batting at 4 in odis and even becoming the captain. Secondly I don't need support for something which is universally accepted. It is you guys who keep liking each other posts and quoting.
Rizwan has left them in dust years ago. You can come up with anything you want. You are acting as if sarfraz and Kamran akmal played in the 80s.KA is superior to Rizzu 100%.
Sarfraz at his peak is > Rizzu at his peak but otherwise yes, Rizwan is superior to sarfi. Unlike you I don't run away or deny the truth. Sarfi let himself go both fitness and performance wise.
If rizzu manages to surpass 2014-2016 Sarfi then I'll be the first to point it out.
As for KA, Kamran Akmal in as a corpse in 2018 was superior to Rizwan. He was still smacking rubbish bowlers that rizzu was struggling with in psl.
It's a shame he batted in an earlier era and never had the luxury of playing such crap bangaldeshi bowling attacks on rubbish pindi wickets nor did he have the luxury of playing a c string aus in 2019.
Stats in this era are a genuine joke when bavuma is averaging higher, Has more runs and slightly higher sr then some sa bats deapite being the worst batter in the sa squad
You can believe what you want. But on no planet Kamran akmal and sarfraz are better than rizwan. Why even in their peak their numbers are of tail ender outside SC?All I've ever said is that KA is > Rizzu and that Peak sarfi is > Peak rizzu but overall rizzu is superior as longetivity counts.
The rest I've already stated I don't want rizzu to ever bat at no 4 in odi, Or opening in t20 or leading the side which you've agreed with.
So idkw you keep arguing with me. My job isn't to convince anyone, idrc.
^^ These are the takes I believe in and these are the takes I have argued for and presented arguments for irrespective of whether you lot agree or disagree.
Yet you keep fighting and addressing and pinging or liking bhegerat posts from Mamoon over and over again.
to this day I have never understood why you ever do this .
I'm aware. I've seen many posts from you vs these 2 as well. Usually I don't intervene but if my brothers ping me, then I got your back.They are all like that rizwan and babar fans
@Bewal Express and @shamaan are another 2 examples if they can't win an argument they will go personal and aggressive
Funny they both in a hiding today
He cant make it to his teams xi broThey are? But Klaseen easily makes it into the pakistan test squad. No need for a 19 avg batter who's always a bunny against England in test.
Similarly klaseen can also easily replace Babar in tests who's a walking wicket even on road pitches
Btw I’m intrigued to know why you think Klaasen doesn’t make his own team?He cant make it to his teams xi bro
Ask all the bowlers who bowled with rizwan and kamran behind the stumps and you ll see no one wants kamran to be wicket keeper.KA is superior to Rizzu 100%.
Sarfraz at his peak is > Rizzu at his peak but otherwise yes, Rizwan is superior to sarfi. Unlike you I don't run away or deny the truth. Sarfi let himself go both fitness and performance wise.
If rizzu manages to surpass 2014-2016 Sarfi then I'll be the first to point it out.
As for KA, Kamran Akmal in as a corpse in 2018 was superior to Rizwan. He was still smacking rubbish bowlers that rizzu was struggling with in psl.
It's a shame he batted in an earlier era and never had the luxury of playing such crap bangaldeshi bowling attacks on rubbish pindi wickets nor did he have the luxury of playing a c string aus in 2019.
Stats in this era are a genuine joke when bavuma is averaging higher, Has more runs and slightly higher sr then some sa bats deapite being the worst batter in the sa squad
Doesn't matter. He makes it into pak's rubbish teamHe cant make it to his teams xi bro
As a keeper rizzu is ahead of Kamran. Not as a batterAsk all the bowlers who bowled with rizwan and kamran behind the stumps and you ll see no one wants kamran to be wicket keeper.
You have to name a pakistan test xi. Will u pick kamran based on his 2 innings?As a keeper rizzu is ahead of Kamran. Not as a batter
Yes because he played against McGrath and Rizwan against pat Cummins.You have to name a pakistan test xi. Will u pick kamran based on his 2 innings?
Whyyy?? How does he make it to pak xi when he doesnt play for Pakistan. DuhDoesn't matter. He makes it into pak's rubbish team
Lol then happily pick him but no one. None of his contemporaries rate him. No bowlers of his team even rate him lolYes because he played against McGrath and Rizwan against pat Cummins.
My pakistan test 11You have to name a pakistan test xi. Will u pick kamran based on his 2 innings?
That's what the poster came up with Kamran akmal played against McGrath while averaging 14 in Australia. But Rizwan with 40 average is not good because it doesn't count because Australia played a c bowling attack in tests. The pitches in Australia are much more difficult now then they were.Lol then happily pick him but no one. None of his contemporaries rate him. No bowlers of his team even rate him lol
The pitches in Australia are much more difficult now then they were.That's what the poster came up with Kamran akmal played against McGrath while averaging 14 in Australia. But Rizwan with 40 average is not good because it doesn't count because Australia played a c bowling attack in tests. The pitches in Australia are much more difficult now then they were.
What on earth. U can't swallow ur pride and accept that rizwan is as good a keeper as anyone with better batting prowess. U vant just play with a specialist keeper who cant hold a bat. You can't even play dud bowlers who can't hold a bat as tail is very important as seen in many if the matches nowadaysMy pakistan test 11
1) Saeed Anwar
2) Hanif Mohammad
3) Zaheer Abass/ Mohammad Yousaf
4) Younis Khan
5) Inzimam ul Haq
6) Javed Miandad
7) Imran Khan (C)
8) Wasim Akram
9) Wasim Bari
10) Waqar Younis
11) Saqlain Mushtaq
I'd take bari cause his keeping skills are out this world and he provides good numbers for a no 9 batter.
I'd rather play a specialist keeper then block out one of Imran, Miandad, or Inzi for rizwan lol
So 14 avg is good. Then i dont wonder u are happy and accustomed to mediocrityThe pitches in Australia are much more difficult now then they were.
Probably the worst comment ive seen. I live in sydney have visted SCG and MCG multiple times.
they've always been bouncy hells, and to top it off, they use to be harder back then due to the one ball in odi.
Classic Australia was damn near unbeatable at home cause no one besides them could tackle bounce and only mchrath knew how to bowl in Australia since he'd just spam flippers while every other spinner went for traditional spin which didn't work in aus and became half trackers.
The pitches in aus have always been the same. No difference.
Why on earth would I play rizzu over miandad, Imran or inzi?What on earth. U can't swallow ur pride and accept that rizwan is as good a keeper as anyone with better batting prowess. U vant just play with a specialist keeper who cant hold a bat. You can't even play dud bowlers who can't hold a bat as tail is very important as seen in many if the matches nowadays
Usman Khan AzamKhan Rohail Nazir, alot of backup availableI am not in the favour of Rizwan to play this format but what we have right now? Haseebullah and Haris?
Usman Khan and Azam Khan are the backups to replace rizwan? do u really own this suggestion?Usman Khan AzamKhan Rohail Nazir, alot of backup available
Rizzu needs to admit that he isn't better then your standard keeper or any keeper that Pakistan has had before.Usman Khan and Azam Khan are the backups to replace rizwan? do u really own this suggestion?