Should Mohammad Rizwan still be in the squad after such performances?

[mominsaigol]

Misbah and alpha!!!

Rizwan is a street Smart Alpha Male. Thats what pakpremi is trying to say.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Pak teams usually have 2 types of captains

The man’s man- alpha types- Imran. Wasim, Misbah, Younis Khan, Inzamam

The uncharismatic street cricketer who works magic from the background with practical and common sense moves- Miandad, Sarfaraz etc

Rizwan is the closest who can be a bridge between the 2 categories

Misbah, Inzi and Probably Malik belong in a middle category. They weren't the big personalities or have the auras of the others.

Riz will be in the third category you have described. I hope he is successful. I think he could be in ODI but in T20 im less convinced. He did a good today imo

 

[TheSultan]

Can someone tell me what is actually so “street smart” about Rizwan?

Javed was considered street smart because of the way he played, his tricky innovative batting, the way he sledged players and talked and talked to get under their skin. He was literally up for a street fight in the middle.

When has rizwan shown any of that?

 

[Rana]

Can someone tell me what is actually so “street smart” about Rizwan?

Javed was considered street smart because of the way he played, his tricky innovative batting, the way he sledged players and talked and talked to get under their skin. He was literally up for a street fight in the middle.

When has rizwan shown any of that?

He touches the captain’s hand during trophy photo shoots.

 

[mominsaigol]

Miandad was a genuine crises man.

Rizwan is also a crises man, but he causes the catastrophe hence the name crises man

 

[PakPremi]

Can someone tell me what is actually so “street smart” about Rizwan?

Javed was considered street smart because of the way he played, his tricky innovative batting, the way he sledged players and talked and talked to get under their skin. He was literally up for a street fight in the middle.

When has rizwan shown any of that?

You missed his smart keeping, his smart virtual captaincy in tests series against England and his smart sledging "No more Bazball" and " welcome to Aqibball" amongst his other annoying comments to oppositions to put them off.

 

[TheSultan]

You missed his smart keeping, his smart virtual captaincy in tests series against England and his smart sledging "No more Bazball" and " welcome to Aqibball" amongst his other annoying comments to oppositions to put them off.

1. Most world keepers are smart keepers but they don’t get this tag.
2. Give me an example of his “smart virtual captaincy”
3. No more bazball? Is that it? That wasn’t even a sledge. It’s cute (I think batsman smiled at him endearingly) if that, but it’s not anywhere Javed.

You do know Javed was considered street smart because he made the opposition hate him. He’d annoy them over and over again, they literally wanted to kill him and went off their game plan, but he was always in control and laughing inside probably with a cheeky wink to himself.

Rizwan is a lovable chap for the opposition. He’ll look dreamily in to their eyes, give them a smile and pat on the back. Lovely and fluffy

 

[emranabbas]

He can replicate his T20 game in ODIs which is anchoring. If he can score 60-70 run at run a ball it's still okay. In ODIs he is useless at every other position

The issue with Rizwan is that he approaches T20s like ODIs, plays ODIs as if they’re Tests, and treats Tests like if he's acting in films

 

[emranabbas]

You missed his smart keeping, his smart virtual captaincy in tests series against England and his smart sledging "No more Bazball" and " welcome to Aqibball" amongst his other annoying comments to oppositions to put them off.

So, we won the 2nd and 3rd Test not because of Sajid and Noman’s brilliant bowling, but because of Rizwan’s "street-smart" tactics?

Where was Rizwan’s street smartness during the past three years when we were losing Tests at home?

 

[Cricket Warrior]

I noticed that Rizwan was trying to be extra aggressive with his pacers and in doing so he never tried any spinners.

I believe he could have gotten a breakthrough if he had given them a chance to salman agha.

 

[gazza619]

I noticed that Rizwan was trying to be extra aggressive with his pacers and in doing so he never tried any spinners.

I believe he could have gotten a breakthrough if he had given them a chance to salman agha.

I so wish we had Faisal or Arafat. They could have wrapped up the tail.

 

[mominsaigol]

1. Most world keepers are smart keepers but they don’t get this tag.
2. Give me an example of his “smart virtual captaincy”
3. No more bazball? Is that it? That wasn’t even a sledge. It’s cute (I think batsman smiled at him endearingly) if that, but it’s not anywhere Javed.

You do know Javed was considered street smart because he made the opposition hate him. He’d annoy them over and over again, they literally wanted to kill him and went off their game plan, but he was always in control and laughing inside probably with a cheeky wink to himself.

Rizwan is a lovable chap for the opposition. He’ll look dreamily in to their eyes, give them a smile and pat on the back. Lovely and fluffy

1) Yes but are they street smart Alpha Males .

2) Did you not hear him say block bowlers from run ups by having imaginary issues qith the sight screen? It's clear this was a deliberate tactic to tire out the bowlers.

Jokes aside anyone who's even watched highlights or Miandad would know how good he was and it's an insult to compare rizwan to miandad.

Miandad was a proper crises man. His 1 wicket 1986 victory against India is an ATG innings and possibly the greatest innings any pakistani batter has ever played all time in odi.

The dude was a proper surgeon when it came to pulling his team out of a crises situation and manufacturing wins from lost positions.

Rizwan doesn't even know how to bat with the tail, In odi and t20 he covers this up, but in tests he frequently gets exposed for it.

90% of the time the tail collapses thanks to this bafoon. This is what happens when you bring in selfish batters like misbah and rizwan who only play for themselves.

Both these 2 have no clue on how to bat according to the situation or even construct a proper batting plan.

 

[mominsaigol]

Rizwan avg 29 and sr 80 in champions cup.

Then avg 19 in the England test series.

I wonder what he'll avg in the aussie series.

So far he's standing tall with an impressive avg of 41 and a horrible SR or 61

 

[mominsaigol]

What will he avg today?

 

[BouncerGuy]

What will he avg today?

Time will tell. Lots of time left.

 

[mominsaigol]

Time will tell. Lots of time left.

Will he be striking it 60? Cause Australia are headed to 400 brother. Fraser on and the trundler brigade ain't gonna bother him

 

[mominsaigol]

Rizwan's stats this series vs Aus

74 avg 75 SR

 

[Kianig89]

Rizwan's stats this series vs Aus

74 avg 75 SR

That's like a alpha male given the low.scoring series , time for some soul searching now

 

[mominsaigol]

That's like a alpha male given the low.scoring series , time for some soul searching now

I made this thread as a rizzu stat sheet so I'll post his stats every series. Staying loyal on it

 

[Varun]

Rizwan's stats this series vs Aus

74 avg 75 SR

Poor fellow got whitewashed.

Rizwan on the other hand is on the verge of a whitewash.

 

[mominsaigol]

Rizzu's Performance since this thread was made.

Champions one day cup

29 Avg 80 SR

England test series

19 avg

Australia odi series

74 Avg 75 Sr

 

[Varun]

Rizzu's Performance since this thread was made.

Champions one day cup

29 Avg 80 SR

England test series

19 avg

Australia odi series

74 Avg 75 Sr

I'm so glad this Karachi/regionalism thing doesn't exist in Indian cricket (largely).

 

[imran1976]

Rizzu's Performance since this thread was made.

Champions one day cup

29 Avg 80 SR

England test series

19 avg

Australia odi series

74 Avg 75 Sr

and won the series 2-1 as a captain.

 

[mominsaigol]

and won the series 2-1 as a captain.

I wrote those numbers on the captaincy watch thread.

Their 2 threads that I made. One for performance and one for captaincy

 

[IMMY69]

I'm so glad this Karachi/regionalism thing doesn't exist in Indian cricket (largely).

I'm from Karachi and wouldn't want anyone selected from there who isn't good enough

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I'm so glad this Karachi/regionalism thing doesn't exist in Indian cricket (largely).

Mumbai favoritism/regionalism has existed in Indian cricket for years

 

[Varun]

Mumbai favoritism/regionalism has existed in Indian cricket for years

Yep, there was a time when 10 out of 11 cricketers were from Mumbai (Gavaskar, Vengsarkar, Shastri, etc.) and one not from Mumbai: Bishen Singh Bedi.

Now we have outgrown that.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Yep, there was a time when 10 out of 11 cricketers were from Mumbai (Gavaskar, Vengsarkar, Shastri, etc.) and one not from Mumbai: Bishen Singh Bedi.

Now we have outgrown that.

Certain people believe it is still a big part of Indian cricket. Personally, I don't know enough about the inner-workings of Indian cricket to say something on this. But if you say that India have outgrown that then that's good to hear I guess.

 

[Kianig89]

Wish there was a button to stone the thread or slap , some fans are here with agenda harsh but true.

 

[mominsaigol]

Wish there was a button to stone the thread or slap , some fans are here with agenda harsh but true.

Well if I hadn't made this thread and you commenting what you just commented wouldn't be possible either.

I find it a win win

 

[BouncerGuy]

If Sarfaraz can be in the squad without any performances as captain then why not riz, whose record as a batter is miles better than Sarfaraz and now he became the 2nd captain to beat Australia in Australia.

 

[Bewal Express]

Well if I hadn't made this thread and you commenting what you just commented wouldn't be possible either.

I find it a win win

So that is your excuse.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I'm so glad this Karachi/regionalism thing doesn't exist in Indian cricket (largely).

It doesn't exist in Pakistan either. It's just something invented by fans and some bitter ex players.

 

[mominsaigol]

Big test for rizwan coming up, OPENING IN A 7 OVER GAME

 

[mominsaigol]

Complete botcher, always goes missing when Pakistan actually needs him. Gand keeper and gand t20 opener

0 of 2 today in a chase where he's required.

Gi go gi tasali for this bottle job @Kianig89 @Hyder

You won't be advocating for rizzu > Klaseen now will you?

 

[TheSultan]

Well well well…

 

[mominsaigol]

@Major @shah9425

Will the 2 of you also remember this game for the rest of time? Or will you only remember rizzu's selective performances? Ig you're not true fans after all .

It's a good thing I made this thread. Rizzu ki saari history aidhar

 

[mominsaigol]

Why is this clown a t20 opener? Even his fan boys today are claiming that he can't hit straight up? So why is he captaining the side?

 

[aukhan]

Rizwan and Babar both should not be in the T20 team, let alone opening together.

 

[Hyder]

Complete botcher, always goes missing when Pakistan actually needs him. Gand keeper and gand t20 opener

0 of 2 today in a chase where he's required.

Gi go gi tasali for this bottle job @Kianig89 @Hyder

You won't be advocating for rizzu > Klaseen now will you?

I thought tests were a big deal then why you overlooking tests lol

 

[mominsaigol]

I thought tests were a big deal then why you overlooking tests lol

They are? But Klaseen easily makes it into the pakistan test squad. No need for a 19 avg batter who's always a bunny against England in test.

Similarly klaseen can also easily replace Babar in tests who's a walking wicket even on road pitches

 

[Rana]

He shouldn’t be playing PSL or National T20 let alone be the national team captain!

 

[CerebralPatriot]

He shouldn’t be playing PSL or National T20 let alone be the national team captain!

The only team he should be playing for is the Malakand Markhkrs alongside his parchi Haseebullah

 

[khyberlion]

Rizwan is better than any wk in Pakistan. Do you think anyone is better?

 

[Rana]

Rizwan is better than any wk in Pakistan. Do you think anyone is better?

Yes I do. I think there are keepers+batters better suited to each format than Rizwan for the sake of team balance.

Do you think Rizwan’s stats suggest he is better than Klaasen the way you believe his stats make him better than everyone in Pakistan?

Be clear in your argument.

 

[Rana]

Why don’t you answer the question, you can say you think Rizwan is better than Klaasen. What’s going to happen? You won’t receive a fine for stating your opinion.

 

[khyberlion]

0(2), Raza can manage that as well.

But can he average 40 odd in every format though? As I said I can't take someone seriously who thinks Mustafa Raza is better than rizwan.

 

[khyberlion]

Why don’t you answer the question, you can say you think Rizwan is better than Klaasen. What’s going to happen? You won’t receive a fine for stating your opinion.

You believe Mustafa Raza is better than rizwan. You won't get an answer from me till you have answered my question and I have indirectly answered this anyway.

 

[shah9425]

Rizwan is better than any wk in Pakistan. Do you think anyone is better?

Best keeper Indeed and will be a great leader too

 

[Ahmed216]

Rizwan can play for another 5 years if the alternatives are likes of Usman Khan, Mo Haris etc

 

[Rana]

You believe Mustafa Raza is better than rizwan. You won't get an answer from me till you have answered my question and I have indirectly answered this anyway.

So I take your reluctance to answer as an admission that you believe Klaasen is better than Rizwan? It’s basic, common sense. I can expect that from you?

 

[mominsaigol]

Is Raza Mustafa one of them? Sorry I can't take some seriously who thinks that.

Raza Ul Mustafa is superior to Rizzu at the same age

A 20 year old raza > A 20 year old Rizzu.

Back in 2008-2015, When no one ever bothered to watch under 19 cricket, I was watching it in full swing.

Back then the best players from Pakistan

1) Sami Aslam (The best)
2) Babar Azam (The 2nd best)
3) Zafar Gohar (Best spinner)
4) Mohammad Asghar (2nd best spinner)
5) Haris sohail (Was drafted the earliest ironically and well deserved)

Rizwan also use to play during this time and he was absolute rubbish. Infact he was a certified tail ender. It wasn't until He got randomly promoted to an opener in SNGPL that he went from crap to medicore and got his call up in 2015 however he remained rubbish.

In 2016 they even played him in t20 over sarfi despite sarfi being vc and he failed. Them in 2018 he was the weakest batter in the trinseries. The same tri series where fakhar took pakistan to no 1.

Rizwan took nearly 13 years to improve after being given certain positions and being backed by Misbah.

The rizzu of today has improved and isnt the worst but he took 12 years to reach this feat. It shows how much backing he got from Misbah and even @Major who hypes rizzu to the moon admits that sngpl saved rizzu's career otherwise even cricinfo articles from back then claimed that rizwam's career would only occur in a parallel universe

Raza is very early into his career and honestly he's only played 10 fc games and 3 list A games so I can't tell atm, but based of what he's shown, He's defo > 20 year old rizzu.

So we'll see. Let's wait till he's at rizzu's age range.

Sami aslam didn't get the backing he deserved but granted he himself is a crybaby. However Haroon Rasheed axed him after one game for Ahmed shehzad despite sami aslam having proved that he was far far superior to the likes of Shan masood, Shehzad and various others and deserves a long rope as an odi and test opener.

Babar is here, Zafar gohar is no where to be seen deapite being 100x superior to these shadab's and Nawaz 's, same cause of haris sohail who got riddled qith injuries and his left foot has more talent then rizzu.

The truth is rizzu was a rubbish batter who's career got saved cause misbah lobes promoting mediocrity.

I've never seen a single player in the history of this game from any nation to get 13 YEARS OF BACKING.

Makes me wonder what Misbah's and rizzu's relationship really is. Maybe their relatives in some way shape or form.

 

[Rana]

Raza Ul Mustafa is superior to Rizzu at the same age

A 20 year old raza > A 20 year old Rizzu.

Back in 2008-2015, When no one ever bothered to watch under 19 cricket, I was watching it in full swing.

Back then the best players from Pakistan

1) Sami Aslam (The best)
2) Babar Azam (The 2nd best)
3) Zafar Gohar (Best spinner)
4) Mohammad Asghar (2nd best spinner)
5) Haris sohail (Was drafted the earliest ironically and well deserved)

Rizwan also use to play during this time and he was absolute rubbish. Infact he was a certified tail ender. It wasn't until He got randomly promoted to an opener in SNGPL that he went from crap to medicore and got his call up in 2015 however he remained rubbish.

In 2016 they even played him in t20 over sarfi despite sarfi being vc and he failed. Them in 2018 he was the weakest batter in the trinseries. The same tri series where fakhar took pakistan to no 1.

Rizwan took nearly 13 years to improve after being given certain positions and being backed by Misbah.

The rizzu of today has improved and isnt the worst but he took 12 years to reach this feat. It shows how much backing he got from Misbah and even @Major who hypes rizzu to the moon admits that sngpl saved rizzu's career otherwise even cricinfo articles from back then claimed that rizwam's career would only occur in a parallel universe

Raza is very early into his career and honestly he's only played 10 fc games and 3 list A games so I can't tell atm, but based of what he's shown, He's defo > 20 year old rizzu.

So we'll see. Let's wait till he's at rizzu's age range.

Sami aslam didn't get the backing he deserved but granted he himself is a crybaby. However Haroon Rasheed axed him after one game for Ahmed shehzad despite sami aslam having proved that he was far far superior to the likes of Shan masood, Shehzad and various others and deserves a long rope as an odi and test opener.

Babar is here, Zafar gohar is no where to be seen deapite being 100x superior to these shadab's and Nawaz 's, same cause of haris sohail who got riddled qith injuries and his left foot has more talent then rizzu.

The truth is rizzu was a rubbish batter who's career got saved cause misbah lobes promoting mediocrity.

I've never seen a single player in the history of this game from any nation to get 13 YEARS OF BACKING.

Makes me wonder what Misbah's and rizzu's relationship really is. Maybe their relatives in some way shape or form.

Bro please don’t write essays making sense to someone who can only manage 150 letters

 

[mominsaigol]

Currently I've lost track of under 19's, all my knowledge on domestic is based of champions cup and acc cups because I haven't been too interested in keeping up with the domestic circuit.

But their was a time I use to follow it.

I remember the old games where lahore lions, faisalabad wolves, Sialkot stallions and these teams use to play and I use to watch these games frequently.

But I firmly remember sami aslam, Haris sohail and Babar azam being the top 3 of that era.

Sami aslam and Haris sohail were the definitely the best and pakistan 100% wastes these 2 as sami could have become a terrific red ball opener.

As an odi opener he's be a bit dated imo as fakhar and Sharjeel were obviously > him in whiteball.

Infact I remember 2011 games where Pakistani fans as well as many old posts on PP were begging for a young Sharjeel Khan to make his debut which he eventually did againat sri lanka in 2013.

The domestic structure was 100x stronger and more intresting to watch back then.

But even back then Lanat pei lanat selections were being made.

For example some players from Faisalabad wolves were being advocated for when the entire batting team was so crap, Misbah alone outscored the entire team , Yet misbah kept advocating for these lanats.

Lahore Lions and Karachi whites were the best teams and all the good players came from here.

Even hafeez and yousaf would frequently play for LL.