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Should visiting teams to India now consult the Government of India for selection of their squads?

BouncerGuy said:
Well this rule does not makes sense for players like him who were born abroad and have never been to Pakistan.
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Ever since Mr David Headley aka Daood Gilani exploited this loophole, India no longer believes this argument and the new rules came into place.

For context, David was born and brought up in the US and belonged to a Pakistani diplomat family.
 
Abhilash93 said:
Ever since Mr David Headley aka Daood Gilani exploited this loophole, India no longer believes this argument and the new rules came into place.

For context, David was born and brought up in the US and belonged to a Pakistani diplomat family.
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So these English players are being treated like some "MAYBE A TERRORIST" now?
 
MenInG said:
Why not? Why can a simple phone call not take place between UAE and UK embassies etc?

Why does everything have to become a 'We are India' issues?
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A entire nation and its policies needs to be changed because of a cricketer and a cricket board?

Not going to happen. ECB should have followed the rules rather than ask for preferential treatment.
 
BouncerGuy said:
This is England's tour of India, not some Uganda's team that is visiting.
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So basically English expected to be treated differently. Well, i hope they have realised that its not going to happen.

No wonder the Brits are throwing their toys out of the pram as they expected a former colony to bend over.
 
BouncerGuy said:
So just say that the policy was made just for Pakistan. LOL
Thanks brother.
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Why is this a surprise to many here? It says in plain language that is is policy specifially applies to PAk citizens and pak origin citizens of other countries. has been a case for over decade.

there has been no attempt to dress it up as any thing else.

no big gotcha here
 
rpant_gabba said:
Why is this a surprise to many here? It says in plain language that is is policy specifially applies to PAk citizens and pak origin citizens of other countries. has been a case for over decade.

there has been no attempt to dress it up as any thing else.

no big gotcha here
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Read the whole discussion above brother, You will get the answer.
 
BouncerGuy said:
This is called hatred towards a specific country. Yes the tensions are there between India and Pakistan but the laws and rules are not made based upon hatred.
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No it is called national security and that's more important than anything else.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Read the whole discussion above brother, You will get the answer.
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What is the answer?

Indian visa policy document openly says separate rules apply for people of pakistani origin.

And policies are made on national interest and national security.
 
BouncerGuy said:
This is called hatred towards a specific country. Yes the tensions are there between India and Pakistan but the laws and rules are not made based upon hatred.
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tensions? yup. nothing more than a couple of loud exchanges

that is some weak tea there.

Accept that India and Pak relationship will never be anything close to normal. too much bad blood.

best case scenario is to avoid each other as much as possible
 
CricketCartoons said:
So you are ok with extra vetting instead of putting the file at the bottom of the pile?

What is a pajeet?
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I'm not ok with it in this case of the England bowler. Was mainly explaining to the brother not to have such high expectations for Indian officials.
 
Rana said:
Who are you guys fooling? Getting India visa from UK for British Pakistanis is a 6-12 month process

We all know this.
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Usually 6-8 weeks. May be more if officials believe more scrutiny is needed. Only then one may get a visa, if they get it that is.

But the very reason for such strict standards is to make sure few people of pakistani origin visit India.

For Bashir, his visa was granted but he applied for his visa in London and he wanted it stamped in UAE. That wasn't possible.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Usually 6-8 weeks. May be more if officials believe more scrutiny is needed.
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That’s not true at all brother. I know plenty of (Pakistani origin) people with British passports that have to travel to India for work purposes. They always apply well in advance knowing the situation but they have had to cancel their commitments because of not getting their visa on time. There are some that have destroyed their Pakistani nadra cars too so that they don’t have to mention any links to Pakistan in order to secure their visa a lot quicker.

I am telling you this directly from experience, I’ve seen it live and first hand.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Stokes or Butler are not of Pakistani origin. Are they?

So why will they face the same scrutiny as Bashir?

No one here in India is bothered about what pakistanis or Brits think about our visa policy. Its our country and our security is more important than any sporting tour.

Brits are whining because a former colony is making them follow the rules.

Pakistanis are whining because India doesn't give two hoots to their western passport and still treats them as pakistani.
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Well that's exactly my point! Bhakhts are now twisting to make it out that he didn't get visa issued on time due to location. Had it been anyone ese, this would have been arranged in the UAE or wherever.
 
Kroll said:
Well that's exactly my point! Bhakhts are now twisting to make it out that he didn't get visa issued on time due to location. Had it been anyone ese, this would have been arranged in the UAE or wherever.
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No. It would not have been arranged in UAE but he or she may have gotten it earlier.
 
Rana said:
That’s not true at all brother. I know plenty of (Pakistani origin) people with British passports that have to travel to India for work purposes. They always apply well in advance knowing the situation but they have had to cancel their commitments because of not getting their visa on time. There are some that have destroyed their Pakistani nadra cars too so that they don’t have to mention any links to Pakistan in order to secure their visa a lot quicker.

I am telling you this directly from experience, I’ve seen it live and first hand.
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Some pakistanis mentioned the time span between application and Visa stamping as 6-8 weeks during the WC.

Usually a British passport holder will get his tourist visa in a week. Some categories are eligible for E visa as well.
 
The level of entitlements is something else. Glad they didn't ask for indian government officials to travel to UAE, go to Bashir's hotel room, complete the stamping and apologize for inconveniences caused.
 
Devadwal said:
The level of entitlements is something else. Glad they didn't ask for indian government officials to travel to UAE, go to Bashir's hotel room, complete the stamping and apologize for inconveniences caused.
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Embassies around the world exist for such matters - this is known as courteous assistance. Maybe an alien concept for some.
 
Regardless of the fact about India struggling to move with the modern world and needing a stamp in the first place, the fact that Bashir had to go to London to get it stamped isn't the issue anyway in this case. It's the fact his visa only got approved yesterday. He wasn't making it in time for the first test anyway because of the racial discrimination regardless of India's prehistoric visa system.
 
BouncerGuy said:
This is England's tour of India, not some Uganda's team that is visiting.
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So? Since when England tour became high profile?

If you are talking about AUS, then we have a case in point.

If you have objections, then just don't come and go through arbitration.
 
MenInG said:
Embassies around the world exist for such matters - this is known as courteous assistance. Maybe an alien concept for some.
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It's the people who applied for the visa who should make themselves aware of the rules of the country that they are visiting. That is your duty.

Just because it's a 3rd world country, doesn't mean it will be a pushover.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Maybe they thought he was coming over the IPL.

Irony is the chap only young is contributing via his taxes to help poor Indians. £2.3B between 2016-2021. But thats ok.
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But we’ll still have him apply for IPL selection if he’s exceptional.
 
HitWicket said:
Regardless of the fact about India struggling to move with the modern world and needing a stamp in the first place, the fact that Bashir had to go to London to get it stamped isn't the issue anyway in this case. It's the fact his visa only got approved yesterday. He wasn't making it in time for the first test anyway because of the racial discrimination regardless of India's prehistoric visa system.
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India is a 3rd world country no matter how much they jumps around.
 
PakEngFan said:
India is a 3rd world country no matter how much they jumps around.
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Yes and that's why we are trying to follow the first world "rules" but suddenly it seems like some country who are only living in past glory suddenly can't fathom the fact that the same rules could be applied to them which they have been using over the years.
 
Itachi said:
Yes and that's why we are trying to follow the first world "rules" but suddenly it seems like some country who are only living in past glory suddenly can't fathom the fact that the same rules could be applied to them which they have been using over the years.
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At least you acknowledge that India is a 3rd world country unlike you fellow Indians.
 
PakEngFan said:
At least you acknowledge that India is a 3rd world country unlike you fellow Indians.
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Of course India is a 3rd world country because India never aligned with US in past or even in present in most cases.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
I'm not ok with it in this case of the England bowler. Was mainly explaining to the brother not to have such high expectations for Indian officials.
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I understand being unhappy with the situation.

but why is everyone acting surprised by a procedure which has been in place for over a decade?
 
Even Rohit Sharma was less defensive about this farce than the Bharati people. I don't think Indian fans realise how petty this makes their country look from the outside.
 
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HitWicket said:
Regardless of the fact about India struggling to move with the modern world and needing a stamp in the first place, the fact that Bashir had to go to London to get it stamped isn't the issue anyway in this case. It's the fact his visa only got approved yesterday. He wasn't making it in time for the first test anyway because of the racial discrimination regardless of India's prehistoric visa system.
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No need to play the race card . We are not Yorkshiremen like Michael Vaughan and co. Thank you very much
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Even Rohit Sharma was less defensive about this farce than the Bharati people. I don't think Indian fans realise how petty this makes their country look from the outside.
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Indians do not need validation from others anymore.

It's a drastic change from 90s and I am proud that we've come to a point where we can stand our ground regardless what others think.
 
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Itachi said:
Of course India is a 3rd world country because India never aligned with US in past or even in present in most cases.
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He is not even aware what third world country actually means and using it in a racist condesending way. In UK, white people refer all brown and black countries as 3rd world in a derogatory fashion. He has picked that line from there and think calling Indians as third world will make us sad. HAHAHA...such ignorance.
 
Itachi said:
Indians do not need validation from others anymore.

It's a drastic change from 90s and I am proud that we've come to a point where we can stand our ground regardless what others think.
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Of course they need validation otherwise why would they be looking for it on cricket forums outside of their own?
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Then you must agree that India must invite Pakistan players to the IPL and insist on bilateral cricket series to transcend nationality and religon.
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Cricket doesn't transcend nationality/religion because that is not even a miniscule aspect for mankind.
 
Itachi said:
Cricket doesn't transcend nationality/religion because that is not even a miniscule aspect for mankind.
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This is a cricket forum, if you want to transcend nationality/religon then maybe post in a different thread.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
This is a cricket forum, if you want to transcend nationality/religon then maybe post in a different thread.
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Let the admins tell that. You may report the post as offtopic if you believe that and may prohibit yourself from writing posts that has no content regarding the thread subject.
 
Itachi said:
Indians do not need validation from others anymore.

It's a drastic change from 90s and I am proud that we've come to a point where we can stand our ground regardless what others think.
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We are talking about cricket here right? Just to be clear.
 
Yes. Cricket is an Indian game now. Squad selections, pitch selection, who wins the toss, who wins (India mostly) who loses (India sometimes- have to make it look realistic) has all been purchased by BCCI and through them the GOI.

They are afraid of Pakistani descent players either running through their over marketed teams with the ball or smashing their trundlers for quadruple tons.

Imagine how bad that would look for India. The public would go wild and their egos will have taken a beating.

Cannot risk that. Cannot have an Afridi of mid 2000s like saga again where despite never having held a bat in his life he would hit tons in India for fun. Or a Shoaib “Shobstopper” Malik run again? Where he tormented india from birth to all the way till aane do series. Can’t have that.
 
Itachi said:
I am not validating anything. I am just sharing my thoughts.

Whether one agrees or disagrees is none of my concern.
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You don't need to share your thoughts unless of course you feel a patriotic duty to validate your govts stance. The BCCI can carry out their policy without any validation, that is my understanding of what you said.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
You don't need to share your thoughts unless of course you feel a patriotic duty to validate your govts stance. The BCCI can carry out their policy without any validation, that is my understanding of what you said.
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Your understanding is simply your understanding.

I can show you a cow but if you think of it as a dog, then be it.

Who am I to tell otherwise.
 
Itachi said:
Your understanding is simply your understanding.

I can show you a cow but if you think of it as a dog, then be it.

Who am I to tell otherwise.
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If you want to show a cow then feel free to do so since that might help you deflect from the topic further.
 
Now BCCI must be thinking that they should have granted a visa to Shoaib Bashir so at least they could have avoided playing Hartley. 😁
 
Rehan Ahmed delayed at Rajkot Airport as England visa issues resurface

England encountered yet more visa trouble on their tour of India after Rehan Ahmed was stopped from leaving Hirasar airport, Rajkot, because he was not in possession of the right paperwork.

Sportstar reported on Monday that Rehan had been prohibited from re-entering India after England's mid-series break in Abu Dhabi because he only held a single-entry visa. Following a delay, local authorities were able to come to a short-term solution for the legspinner, with England optimistic the issue will be sorted fully in the next 24 hours. All travelling squad members and support staff were at the team hotel in Rajkot by Monday evening.
 
Vikram1989 said:
Even Robinson visa got delayed due to clerical mistakes on his visa application. So ECB should get a competent back end admin team to find out whats required upfront
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This doesn't change the fact that Bashir's was delayed causing him to miss the first test because of the racism in the process.
 
What exactly is the reason for the delay in visas for Pakistani origin players from England and Australia when they tour India?

Are they a threat to India's security?
Are they going to spy for the ISI, or carry out a bomb explosion in India?
 
I would understand Pakistani nationals being subject to strict visa requirements due to past events, however where do we draw the line when it comes to 2nd/3rd gen British/Aussies etc? is someone with a Pakistani great great grandparent any less of a security threat than someone whose father is Pakistani? 🤔
 
junoon said:
What exactly is the reason for the delay in visas for Pakistani origin players from England and Australia when they tour India?

Are they a threat to India's security?
Are they going to spy for the ISI, or carry out a bomb explosion in India?
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Not Really - The reason is plain incompetence on the part of ECB as per Guardian Newspaper's opinion !.

Given that Rajkot is primarily a domestic airport with no international flights using it until now - the local airport folks went to the extent of setting up a temporary immigration clearance counter because English cricketers landed directly at Rajkot. I really do not know why India Airport Authorities are giving so much leeway to incompetent folks in English Team who seem to be stupid enough to not even understand the meaning of a "SINGLE ENTRY VISA".

Rehan Ahmed’s availability for the third Test in Rajkot is not yet guaranteed following the latest visa problem to beset England’s tour of India.

Ahmed was held up at immigration when England returned from their mid-series break in Abu Dhabi on Monday evening, with the 19-year-old leg-spinner found to be in possession of a single-entry visa that had expired after leaving the country.

Though resolved in the short-term – Ahmed was eventually allowed to travel with his teammates to their hotel after officials at Rajkot’s Hirasar Airport issued a temporary document – England are now having to go through yet another visa application for one of their players.

It comes just a fortnight after Shoaib Bashir missed the first Test in Hyderabad due to a visa hold-up complicated by his Pakistani heritage. The off-spinner, 20, was forced to return to home after the pre-series camp in Abu Dhabi to have his visa stamped in London, eventually arriving in India on the fourth day of the series opener.

While Ahmed is also of Pakistani heritage, this latest issue appears to be a case of incompetence by the England and Wales Cricket Board. Ahmed’s single-entry visa was issued late last year when on standby for the World Cup and, given Bashir’s hold-up, it beggars belief that all visas were not double-checked before the squad left India mid-tour.

“We were advised, on returning to India, that there was a paperwork discrepancy with Rehan Ahmed’s visa. The local authorities at Rajkot Airport were supportive, enabling Rehan entry on a temporary visa,” an England spokesperson said.

“The correct visa should be processed and issued in the coming days. He will continue to prepare with the rest of the squad ahead of the third Test.”
 
JustAnObserver said:
Not Really - The reason is plain incompetence on the part of ECB as per Guardian Newspaper's opinion !.

Given that Rajkot is primarily a domestic airport with no international flights using it until now - the local airport folks went to the extent of setting up a temporary immigration clearance counter because English cricketers landed directly at Rajkot. I really do not know why India Airport Authorities are giving so much leeway to incompetent folks in English Team who seem to be stupid enough to not even understand the meaning of a "SINGLE ENTRY VISA".

Rehan Ahmed’s availability for the third Test in Rajkot is not yet guaranteed following the latest visa problem to beset England’s tour of India.

Ahmed was held up at immigration when England returned from their mid-series break in Abu Dhabi on Monday evening, with the 19-year-old leg-spinner found to be in possession of a single-entry visa that had expired after leaving the country.

Though resolved in the short-term – Ahmed was eventually allowed to travel with his teammates to their hotel after officials at Rajkot’s Hirasar Airport issued a temporary document – England are now having to go through yet another visa application for one of their players.

It comes just a fortnight after Shoaib Bashir missed the first Test in Hyderabad due to a visa hold-up complicated by his Pakistani heritage. The off-spinner, 20, was forced to return to home after the pre-series camp in Abu Dhabi to have his visa stamped in London, eventually arriving in India on the fourth day of the series opener.

While Ahmed is also of Pakistani heritage, this latest issue appears to be a case of incompetence by the England and Wales Cricket Board. Ahmed’s single-entry visa was issued late last year when on standby for the World Cup and, given Bashir’s hold-up, it beggars belief that all visas were not double-checked before the squad left India mid-tour.

“We were advised, on returning to India, that there was a paperwork discrepancy with Rehan Ahmed’s visa. The local authorities at Rajkot Airport were supportive, enabling Rehan entry on a temporary visa,” an England spokesperson said.

“The correct visa should be processed and issued in the coming days. He will continue to prepare with the rest of the squad ahead of the third Test.”
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So basically Pakistan fans are outraging against India for ECB's incompetence.
 
HitWicket said:
This doesn't change the fact that Bashir's was delayed causing him to miss the first test because of the racism in the process.
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Pakistani origin people are considered to be high security risk. They will.be treated as such by the government.

Our security is more important than any cricket tour.
 
junoon said:
What exactly is the reason for the delay in visas for Pakistani origin players from England and Australia when they tour India?

Are they a threat to India's security?
Are they going to spy for the ISI, or carry out a bomb explosion in India?
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Pakistani origin people have to go through extra vetting. There are no exceptions.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Rehan Ahmed delayed at Rajkot Airport as England visa issues resurface

England encountered yet more visa trouble on their tour of India after Rehan Ahmed was stopped from leaving Hirasar airport, Rajkot, because he was not in possession of the right paperwork.

Sportstar reported on Monday that Rehan had been prohibited from re-entering India after England's mid-series break in Abu Dhabi because he only held a single-entry visa. Following a delay, local authorities were able to come to a short-term solution for the legspinner, with England optimistic the issue will be sorted fully in the next 24 hours. All travelling squad members and support staff were at the team hotel in Rajkot by Monday evening.
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This is not really a fault of India though, is it? Why did he apply for single-entry visa? He or his visa agents should have known the meaning of single entry i.e you can only enter and exit the country once.

Even European countries are very strict on single entry rules. I was in Spain for vacation and was stopped entering Gibraltar bcoz that is a British overseas territory and I had single entry visa to Spain.
 
England team flies out to Abu Dhabi after 2 tests. Then they decide to land directly in Rajkot.

Rajkot doesn't have a international airport. There are no immigration counters there.

Yet to facilitate the English team a temporary counter was created. This is too much.
 
England should have been more conscious this time around..cant blame the Indians here.

You cant insult Indian hospitality by running away from the country to play golf in the middle of a tour and then expect them to bend the rules for you
 
DeadlyVenom said:
England should have been more conscious this time around..cant blame the Indians here.

You cant insult Indian hospitality by running away from the country to play golf in the middle of a tour and then expect them to bend the rules for you
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They can go anywhere. But come back with a proper visa.
 
Er... Yes... Most normal people get incensed at racial discrimination, it's only the bigots that don't.
 
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On topic, first they need to solve inbreeding and respect themselves more given the physical insecurity, once solutions are found there, then I believe such behaviour over there would stop and there wouldn’t be so many issues these players have with their travel
 
Definitely England's fault this time.

You have a single-entry visa and now make this mistake after just dealing with Bashir's issue. Terrible administrative work from the staff involved.
 
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