Sohail Tanvir as captain in ODI/T20I?

[Mamoon]

Jokes aside, respect for AZ for not shying away from expressing his views. Sitting on the fence is easy.

 

[m.shah]

Scored 19 ball 50 with 6 sixes

 

[FreeBird]

Scored 19 ball 50 with 6 sixes

So lets make him the captain, right?

 

[Silly Point]

Jokes aside, respect for AZ for not shying away from expressing his views. Sitting on the fence is easy.

We're NOT on the fence; Tanvir is an extremely mediocre cricketer in all formats other than T20s, even there he should never be an automatic selection, let alone being the captain which is a laughable suggestion.

 

[Silly Point]

Scored 19 ball 50 with 6 sixes

Very entertaining innings and I'm happy for him. But let's not forget that he basically smashed two bowlers for 3 sixes each. Pollard and the other mediocre guy are some of the worst bowlers.

So lets make him the captain, right?

Why not?

Misbah was dropped from Zouks and Tanvir picked up. Tanvir has already outscored Misbah in batting department

 

[Saqs]

Jokes aside, respect for AZ for not shying away from expressing his views. Sitting on the fence is easy.

There's no fence here. Both parties are well and truly entrenched on their sides of the border.

 

[mussu-100]

Our best pacer in T20Is? Certainly not. That has to be Gul, even after his recent dip in form.

Plus, if we make Tanvir our T20I skipper, chances are that he'll make it to the ODI/Test line-ups as well - can't afford that to happen at any cost!

Say for debate's sake, Gul is the best. That makes Tanvir the second best doesn't it? And that still warrants a place in the side. He's our best new ball bowler as well.

 

[Noora420]

Sohail is underrated because of his personal life. He is a very good bowler.

 

[Madplayer]

its fairly obvious that sohail tanvir himself created this thread

 

[Square Drive]

Say for debate's sake, Gul is the best. That makes Tanvir the second best doesn't it? And that still warrants a place in the side. He's our best new ball bowler as well.

Warrants a place in the T20 side, sure, but not as captain!

 

[Kean0]

Warrants a place in the T20 side, sure, but not as captain!

Possibly the worst cricketer Pakistan have produced in a long while.

Once he learns how not to ball wides and no balls he can consider playing cricket for a local team.

 

[mussu-100]

Warrants a place in the T20 side, sure, but not as captain!

Since when does the captain need to be the best player in the team? He just needs to be a regular fixture in the line-up, and possess leadership traits.

 

[Square Drive]

Since when does the captain need to be the best player in the team? He just needs to be a regular fixture in the line-up, and possess leadership traits.

LOL great, so you want a captain that the players can't even look up to? A captain who is not amongst the best in the team should focus more on improving as a player rather than leading the side.

 

[mussu-100]

LOL great, so you want a captain that the players can't even look up to? A captain who is not amongst the best in the team should focus more on improving as a player rather than leading the side.

So then I guess you are ruling out the likes of Shehzad and Umar right? Since they are also youngsters, and need to focus on their own game first.

 

[Saeed]

He should be made Captain on what basis? Tanvir should be no where near the Pakistani team even just as a water boy.

 

[Khan88]

This thread is the gift that keeps on giving.

 

[Square Drive]

So then I guess you are ruling out the likes of Shehzad and Umar right? Since they are also youngsters, and need to focus on their own game first.

You high? Don't just start 'guessing' things.

Umar and Shehzad are amongst the best and therefore are candidates to lead the side. Tanvir, on the other hand...

 

[mussu-100]

You high? Don't just start 'guessing' things.

Umar and Shehzad are amongst the best and therefore are candidates to lead the side. Tanvir, on the other hand...

Thats your opinion. Look at it like this: Umar and Shehzad are immature and hotheaded, while Tanvir is a mature, experienced and calm cricketer. Umar and Shehzad are in their early 20's, and they arent likely to get much respect from the likes of Afridi and Hafeez, while Tanvir is touching 30, and has been around for a long time. Tanvir has captained before, Umar and Shehzad havent.

By no means am I against having Umar or Shehzad as our captain, I'm just willing to see the pros and cons.

 

[Mamoon]

is my pick for T20 captaincy.

 

[azfar wali]

So a few performances in a substandard T20 league and people want him as Captain again?

I guess going by that we should make Malik captain, he made a few runs in CPL as well.

 

[mussu-100]

This is very similar to the Wayne Rooney and Robin van Persie situation. They both want captaincy, and they will be very disappointed if the other person gets it. The best solution is to give it to a third person.

 

[Ahson8]

Tanvir's captaincy for the Rams was rubbish.

 

[Mamoon]

is a smart individual. He will give good shape to our T20 team.

 

[Mamoon]

has also played under and learned from the greatest captain that never was - Shane Warne.

That's an added bonus.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

is my pick for T20 captaincy.

A couple days back you were bashing people for suggesting this )

 

[Mamoon]

Edit

 

[Mamoon]

Yes I did, but I have changed my mind in retrospect. Thoroughly impressed by his performance these days.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Take your gay fantasies elsewhere.

Another one of Apples auto correct gems

 

[Mamoon]

Lol, edit the above post of yours.

 

[Mamoon]

should have been on the plane to Sri Lanka.

 

[Mamoon]

is a proven T20 performer across the globe and has played under various captains, this will be a very pragmatic decision.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Wind is truly your brain's best friend

 

[Mamoon]

Can't look past 's experience. Afridi will probably retire in 2016 and Shehzad is very young.

is in his prime and has a good 4/5 years left.

 

[Mamoon]

He's the best captain we have and has displayed excellent leadership skills for a few years now. Unfortunately he's not Test material and doesn't make the best ODI XI either, so he should be the T20 captain only. Although I do see very bright future for him as head coach.

One of the few good cricketing brains in the country.

 

[Square Drive]

Thats your opinion. Look at it like this: Umar and Shehzad are immature and hotheaded, while Tanvir is a mature, experienced and calm cricketer. Umar and Shehzad are in their early 20's, and they arent likely to get much respect from the likes of Afridi and Hafeez, while Tanvir is touching 30, and has been around for a long time. Tanvir has captained before, Umar and Shehzad havent.

By no means am I against having Umar or Shehzad as our captain, I'm just willing to see the pros and cons.

So now to be a captain, you have to be experienced and calm only? Being one of the best players in the side is not a requirement?

If South Africa thought the same way, we wouldn't have got to see the brilliant captain in Smith for all these years.

 

[Bullet Drive]

Mamoon supports cricketers whom other PAK fans do not.

And Mamoon doesn't support those who most PAK fans do.

 

[nafaiz]

Younis khan was the best tactical & aggressive captain for LOIs.. He should have carried on from the world cup 2009 triumph, retiring from T20s then is where pakistan lost it all..

TBH he is the most proactive captain who didnt get the support neither from the team and nor the chariman...

His lack of form also a reason that he didnt get the support from the team... though he is out of form, he used to get the best out from the lot given to him...

if u see the world cup winning T20 team he gave the hard hitters the maximum balls, and he played three allrounders, shoaib malik was one down, malik, afridi and razzaq all batted in the top5 a good method for a T20.. the first 5 was like kamran, shahzaib, afridi, malik, razzaq,/// then he had younis, misbah and fawad for any steadying the ship.. after that i never saw a lineup like this.. he is brave and aggresive...but now age has caught him up for the role...

ppl pointing out tanvir captained rawalpindi rams team so as a strong contender...In such case, malik will stand above all,

Shoaib Malik
has age with him
has won seven times with sialkot stallions
has been scoring consistently in CPL now
has captained pakistan before
brought pakistan to the final of WC2007

 

[Fallen King]

Mamoon supports cricketers whom other PAK fans do not.

And Mamoon doesn't support those who most PAK fans do.

That's pretty weak analogy.

He doesn't support Younus khan where the nation supports Younus Khan even though Younus khan doesn't belong in limited formats.

Coming back to topic;

We cannot support based on glamors. Sohail Tanvir has experience of leading the team, Rawalpindi.

Only a few candidates are applicable to lead Pakistan team based on captaincy experiences.

After Misbah, it comes down to players with captaincy experience: Shahid Afridi, Younus Khan, Shoaib Malik, Sohail Tanvir, and Mohammad Hafeez. The rest of players don't fill the requirement that is needed for captaincy. The captaincy is very serious job and should treat it as such.

 

[Mamoon]

Mamoon supports cricketers whom other PAK fans do not.

And Mamoon doesn't support those who most PAK fans do.

You can only make an exception for Junaid and Shehzad. I support most of the other players.

 

[Mamoon]

Who is a better candidate for captaincy? he's a battle-hardened T20 performer and you won't find a more experienced campaigner at the age of 29. I have always supported his inclusion in this format but this rally for captaincy is a new development.

I must commend AZ for his foresight and judgment.

 

[Arsal_AK]

Who is a better candidate for captaincy? he's a battle-hardened T20 performer and you won't find a note experienced campaigner at the age of 29. I have always supported his inclusion in this format but this rally for captaincy is a new development.

I must commend AZ for his foresight and judgment.

AZ is that you??

 

[Mamoon]

I will explain my position in a little while.

 

[Mamoon]

Let's look at the front-runners and potential candidates for T20 captaincy.

Front-runners

Afridi
Shehzad
Gul

- Afridi is a tactical failure who has been our worst T20 captain to date. Within a year and a half, he took the World T20 champions to lows that had never seen before.
Patting players on the back and clapping all the time doesn't make you a good tactician.

- Shehzad will captain Pakistan in all formats one day, but he's not ready for the job yet and is too young. He needs to be more sensible and thoughtful over what he says in the media. His whining about people criticizing his approach in the World T20 and then following it up with a golden duck should be a lesion for him.

- Gul is not captaincy material. Period.

Potential candidates

Ajmal
Umar Akmal
Malik
Junaid
Maqsood
Tanvir

- Ajmal is too old and should retire from T20s. Also he's not leader material and is a bottler in World T20s. Other than his first edition in 2009, he hasn't lived up to the pre-tournament hype and expectations at all.

2010 -> lost us the tourney when Hussey took him to the cleaners.

2012 -> he was in his peak but still produced an average performance. Went into hiding in big games and the novice Raza Hasan bowled better than him.

2014 -> other than one over against Australia, he was rubbish.

- Umar Akmal is also a strong candidate for captaincy in all formats in the future but he's not ready yet. Also, contrary to proper belief, he handles himself more maturely in the media and interviews etc compared to Shehzad.

- Malik is a very experienced T20 cricketer and the greatest captain we have ever produced but his tenure for Pakistan was very controversial and also there's a question mark over his inclusion in the team.

- Junaid is not captaincy material and is the new Gul in more than one way.

- Maqsood will also be a prime candidate for captaincy in all formats in the future and he's the right age and has a good brain, but for now he should look to get his career back on track. Pretty average lately.

- Tanvir is not only a proven T20 performer on the field but also a proven performer on the mic . Always has good things to say and makes very intelligent and insightful comments. He knows his cricket and is a very sound analyst. Doesn't beat around the bush and is straight to the point. Self-assured and confident attitude.

Prior captaincy experience isn't really a prerequisite but no doubt it's an added merit. Yes his decisions seem egoistic at times, but in retrospect, I believe it's for the betterment of the team.

He is one of the most active and experienced T20 cricket in the world and is perfect age wise as well.

Giving captaincy to him now will be a very prudent decision. His captaincy should be evaluated after the World T20 2016 and if he's not up to the mark, the likes of Shehzad, Umar and Maqsood would be in a better position to succeed him.

However, prudency is not up our management's street and I won't be surprised if they hand the reigns over to Afridi so that he can take the team to new lows that he didn't in his last stint.

 

[m.shah]

Another allround performance by tanvir

 

[Mamoon]

Should have capitalized on his good form.

 

[mussu-100]

So now to be a captain, you have to be experienced and calm only? Being one of the best players in the side is not a requirement?

If South Africa thought the same way, we wouldn't have got to see the brilliant captain in Smith for all these years.

Tanvir is just as good a T20 bowler, as Shehzad is a T20 batsman. To add to that Tanvir is experienced, calm and well-spoken.

Again, I don't really mind seeing anyone as our captain. But Tanvir is a very innovative wildcard option.

 

[Mamoon]

No one handles himself better in the media than

Misbah is decent but too bland.

 

[AZ]

Let's look at the front-runners and potential candidates for T20 captaincy.

Front-runners

Afridi
Shehzad
Gul

- Afridi is a tactical failure who has been our worst T20 captain to date. Within a year and a half, he took the World T20 champions to lows that had never seen before.
Patting players on the back and clapping all the time doesn't make you a good tactician.

- Shehzad will captain Pakistan in all formats one day, but he's not ready for the job yet and is too young. He needs to be more sensible and thoughtful over what he says in the media. His whining about people criticizing his approach in the World T20 and then following it up with a golden duck should be a lesion for him.

- Gul is not captaincy material. Period.

Potential candidates

Ajmal
Umar Akmal
Malik
Junaid
Maqsood
Tanvir

- Ajmal is too old and should retire from T20s. Also he's not leader material and is a bottler in World T20s. Other than his first edition in 2009, he hasn't lived up to the pre-tournament hype and expectations at all.

2010 -> lost us the tourney when Hussey took him to the cleaners.

2012 -> he was in his peak but still produced an average performance. Went into hiding in big games and the novice Raza Hasan bowled better than him.

2014 -> other than one over against Australia, he was rubbish.

- Umar Akmal is also a strong candidate for captaincy in all formats in the future but he's not ready yet. Also, contrary to proper belief, he handles himself more maturely in the media and interviews etc compared to Shehzad.

- Malik is a very experienced T20 cricketer and the greatest captain we have ever produced but his tenure for Pakistan was very controversial and also there's a question mark over his inclusion in the team.

- Junaid is not captaincy material and is the new Gul in more than one way.

- Maqsood will also be a prime candidate for captaincy in all formats in the future and he's the right age and has a good brain, but for now he should look to get his career back on track. Pretty average lately.

- Tanvir is not only a proven T20 performer on the field but also a proven performer on the mic . Always has good things to say and makes very intelligent and insightful comments. He knows his cricket and is a very sound analyst. Doesn't beat around the bush and is straight to the point. Self-assured and confident attitude.

Prior captaincy experience isn't really a prerequisite but no doubt it's an added merit. Yes his decisions seem egoistic at times, but in retrospect, I believe it's for the betterment of the team.

He is one of the most active and experienced T20 cricket in the world and is perfect age wise as well.

Giving captaincy to him now will be a very prudent decision. His captaincy should be evaluated after the World T20 2016 and if he's not up to the mark, the likes of Shehzad, Umar and Maqsood would be in a better position to succeed him.

However, prudency is not up our management's street and I won't be surprised if they hand the reigns over to Afridi so that he can take the team to new lows that he didn't in his last stint.

POTW candidate right here, even if many don't agree with it.
[MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION]

 

[Mamoon]

^ I salute your analysis. Sorry for laughing at you earlier.

 

[Mamoon]

Lesson*

Damn you autocorrect.

 

[Aman]

POTW candidate right here, even if many don't agree with it.
[MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION]

They could bring back Imran Khan to lead the side, but it still wouldn't change a thing.

 

[hadi123]

his batting is improving

 

[Mamoon]

Aman, our T20 team is still pretty good. Hafeez did a very decent repair job after Afridi and Misbah destroyed the team. 's leadership can be the missing link.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

If tool kit becomes captain you won't see a single young bowler ever in the side. Hammad Or another young all rounder will never be picked. Tool kit will bat at 6 and regularly promote himself over better players

 

[Mamoon]

Not as if we have Malcolm Marshall and Wasim Akram waiting in the ranks.

will lead from the front and contribute with both bat and ball.

 

[Square Drive]

Tanvir is just as good a T20 bowler, as Shehzad is a T20 batsman. To add to that Tanvir is experienced, calm and well-spoken.

Again, I don't really mind seeing anyone as our captain. But Tanvir is a very innovative wildcard option.

You've got to be kidding me. Aside from games against Sri Lanka, Tanvir is a very unpredictable bowler. You never know when he'll get beaten and when he'll bowl well, even in T20s. Whereas for Shehzad, he's very consistent in ALL 3 formats.

 

[Mrhandsome]

What was the thread creator smoking

 

[FreeBird]

What was the thread creator smoking

Whatever he was smoking, must be on sale cuz looks like he smoked too much of it.

 

[mussu-100]

You've got to be kidding me. Aside from games against Sri Lanka, Tanvir is a very unpredictable bowler. You never know when he'll get beaten and when he'll bowl well, even in T20s. Whereas for Shehzad, he's very consistent in ALL 3 formats.

I beg to differ. Shehzad is very talented and a good performer for us, but he is still very inconsistent. A hundred is generally followed by a few low scores.

But this isn't really a thread about Shehzad is it? It's a thread about the benefits of appointing Tannu as the T20 captain.

 

[Mamoon]

Tannu )

 

[mussu-100]

What was the thread creator smoking

Whatever he was smoking, must be on sale cuz looks like he smoked too much of it.

Guys, it's really not in good taste to attack the OP personally, regardless of his opinion.

 

[Zero]

Eh, might not be a bad idea for T20Is.
He is a good T20 player, even if some people don't want to admit it.
Batting is also quite decent as of late.

 

[Mamoon]

The best new ball bowler we have in T20s. Swings the ball, has a brilliant slower one and a deceptive action.

 

[MRSN]

Sohail Tanvir is Pakistan's Parveen Kumar...Right now in Pakistan no one can swing as much as he can..

 

[as-95]

So ive been off the forum for quite a while now. Had a lot of Uni work before the holidays and sort of lost interest in cricket. Due to that, I am confused, and not sure if the recent posts in this thread are some sort of parody. Are people really supporting Tanvir for captaincy, or is it just a joke?!! Some members (they now who they are, were referring to this guy as t.o.ol.k.i.t etc before, and now they are supporting him as future captaincy material. What is this hypocrisy? Tell me its just a joke.

 

[Aman]

A few domestic performances makes up for a dozen other failures at the international level.... #PPlogic

 

[Aman]

Aman, our T20 team is still pretty good. Hafeez did a very decent repair job after Afridi and Misbah destroyed the team. 's leadership can be the missing link.

It would be pathetic to give it to a senior, T20 captaincy should be given to a youngster who can take a lot away from the experience and maybe even take up the roles of ODI and Test captain later on. Giving it to a 30 odd year old who will unlikely be around in the next 2-3 years is just stupid and a waste of time which will get Pakistan cricket nowhere.

 

[Square Drive]

I beg to differ. Shehzad is very talented and a good performer for us, but he is still very inconsistent. A hundred is generally followed by a few low scores.

But this isn't really a thread about Shehzad is it? It's a thread about the benefits of appointing Tannu as the T20 captain.

If Shehzad isn't consistent, I don't know who is.

And there are no benefits of having 'Tannu' as the T20 captani, so best to talk about others here.

 

[Square Drive]

It would be pathetic to give it to a senior, T20 captaincy should be given to a youngster who can take a lot away from the experience and maybe even take up the roles of ODI and Test captain later on. Giving it to a 30 odd year old who will unlikely be around in the next 2-3 years is just stupid and a waste of time which will get Pakistan cricket nowhere.

Agree 100%.

 

[Arsal_AK]

The best new ball bowler we have in T20s. Swings the ball, has a brilliant slower one and a deceptive action.

What is his wicket count in internationals again??He has proved every time he has played that he is one of the worst ever to represent Pakistan on the field ever and here you are talking about handing him the captaincy.

When has he ever shown even an iota of leadership quality??One doesn't need to look past his stint wit the rams to recognize that he is no captain material.Absolutely horrendous decision making skills.

His bowling record in internationals is extreme poor.And not to mention that he is a nightmare in the field, drops dollies and gifts 10 runs due to misfields every other game..Absolutely no conviction or commitment whatsoever.Good luck carrying a team forward when the captain himself doesn't give two hoots about fielding or the game in general.

I would rather have YK or Malik lead the team.

 

[mussu-100]

If Shehzad isn't consistent, I don't know who is.

And there are no benefits of having 'Tannu' as the T20 captani, so best to talk about others here.

Consistency is Misbah-ul-Haq. Consistency is Saeed Ajmal.

There are benefits. You just arent looking at them. You may favour Shehzad becoming the T20 captain, but Tannu has his advantages as well.

 

[Mamoon]

Such hate, watch the last T20 against WI and his spell.

 

[Square Drive]

Consistency is Misbah-ul-Haq. Consistency is Saeed Ajmal.

There are benefits. You just arent looking at them. You may favour Shehzad becoming the T20 captain, but Tannu has his advantages as well.

Shehzad is next in line for the most consistent player after Saeed and Misbah.

What benefits? He's calm and experienced lol?

 

[mussu-100]

Shehzad is next in line for the most consistent player after Saeed and Misbah.

What benefits? He's calm and experienced lol?

Yes, those benefits. They matter in crunch situations.

 

[Square Drive]

Yes, those benefits. They matter in crunch situations.

So then make Malik/Faisal Iqbal the Test and ODI captain while you're at it.

 

[Mamoon]

It pains me to say this but a lot of people don't understand cricket and are limited to stats only.

 

[mussu-100]

So then make Malik/Faisal Iqbal the Test and ODI captain while you're at it.

He's actually a very good bowler, those guys are not good at what they do, respectfully.

 

[Square Drive]

He's actually a very good bowler, those guys are not good at what they do, respectfully.

If you think he's good, then God help you!

 

[Mamoon]

is our best bowler in T20s and one of the best in the world.

 

[Square Drive]

Mamoon se toh baat hi karna bekaar hai.