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SA side are literally Kagiso and AB only. Philander is there but not as crucial as those two.
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Shout out to Maharaj too, his success will be dependent on how regular SA post 300+ totals though. He has taken wickets everywhere he has played, including green tops in England. The best spinner going around ATM, yet to play a Test in the subcontinent and still has a few five-fors and 60+ wickets. I could see him being the first South African spinner taking 300 wickets. Humble bloke goes about his business without the credit he deserves.
How on earth he averages below 30 based on how brittle SA's batting has been over the last 24 months is beyond me. We've barely given him anything to bowl to. But he keeps plugging away in unfavourable conditions. Keep it up man.
I hope Marsh plays positively. An hour of him playing his shots could push Australia to a competitive score and will put SA under pressure. At the moment SA are on top as Australian batsmen will have to start again on this pitch. Won't be an easy start.
Good test match so far.
AB masterclass century deserves test win, hope SA wins this test for the legend![]()
Ind played Maharaj pretty well (dropped from team midway in the series IIRC) he may get lot of success vs AUS, ENG and NZ.
Sub continental teams will play him well and target him as weaklink in SA test attack.
AB’s best ever knock. Went from a boy to a man with that one.
Well done.
Wasn't Ashwin "dropped midway" through the series himself?
I'm not sure I get the point TBH.
Overall:
Ind 2013-2018: Played 53 Won 29 Lost 11 Drawn 10
Pak 1985-1993: Played 61 Won 19 Lost 10 Drawn 32
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...anval2=span;team=6;template=results;type=team
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...anval1=span;team=7;template=results;type=team
Away:
Ind 2013-2018: Played 27 Won 9 Lost 10 Drawn 8
Pak 1985-1993: Played 33 Won 7 Lost 8 Drawn 18
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...anval1=span;team=7;template=results;type=team
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...anval1=span;team=6;template=results;type=team
In B4 you start to water down current Era and arbitrarily big up the older ERA's. Just keep in mind that you have not been able to substantiate any of the nostalgia influenced ratings that you swear by.
I’m not sure you understand those stats.
The key is the draws. Imran Khan’s team drew Tests - and series - in which they were being dominated, whereas no modern team can.
Three consecutive 1-1 series against the West Indies!
If you consider the Durban Test, Imran’s Pakistan would have batted two days to save it. But none of the modern teams can do that. That’s the difference. No team of the last decade has the quality to save those losing causes.
And to be fair, India did the same thing in Pakistan in 89-90, when they drew a four Test series 0-0.
Nobody considers a draw as a great achievement. And the Draws in the 80s were turgid yawn fests no better than watching paint dry. Typical of the low intensity cricket that was the norm back then.
India Winning 10 more Tests than Pak in 8 fewer matches ( 63 vs 51 ) is by far the better achievement of the two.
Please post links of Test matches where Imrans team batted 2 days to save test matches in the 4th inngs. At max there would be 3-4 occasions(and I havent looked at statsguru ).
There is no example of Pak team batting 2 days highest is 129 overs vs WI.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...eam=7;template=results;type=team;view=innings
Besides that just simple basic understanding of Test Cricket will tell you that <s>not</s> allowing your opposition to get so far ahead so many times in the 1st inngs that you are left with the option of blocking for a day and more is in no way a greater achievement than a Team which got in that position much lesser.
Anyhow here is the list of all 180+ inngs ... there is only 5-6 and guess what they are all from the 1st inngs.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...eam=7;template=results;type=team;view=innings
So like with *EVERYTHING* that is claimed by old ERA fanatics this is yet another instance of trying to convert a half truth into something that is not even remotely close to fact.
This is why I never ever take anything said about the old era at face value.
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Minor correction.
So let me get this straight ... are you saying the 3rd inngs perf in the match from 1990 vs a poor Aussie bowling attack was better than the Ind-vs-Aus in 2014 vs Johnson, Lyon, Harris, Siddle ? Is this what you are trying to tell us ?
Clear straightforward answer without trying to shift the Goal post to Gavaskar, Tendulkar etc etc.
And then there be Silence as always
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] [MENTION=139190]Adijazz1706[/MENTION]
We have lives mate![]()
On topic, failing to survive 9 overs of Lyon is pretty damning
Ashwin is too good at home undroppable, that will not be the case for Maharaj (SA pitches traditionally won't support Spin).
Maharaj will miss most of home matches vs sub-continental (SC) teams. He has to find way to tackle SC players who play spin well. Same case with Imran Thahir in LOI, not much success vs SC teams.
Philander sir is so much conditions-dependent. Rabada is on the way to become a GOAT like Steyn.
Rabada has 9 5w and 4 10w hauls in 28 tests. Already No 2 for SA in 10w hauls. Steyn has taken 86 tests for 5 10w hauls.
Looking forward to the third test now. 1-1 guaranteed from here.
Rabada was charged by the ICC with a Level 1 Offence agan. After taking Warner's wicket yesterday.He celebrated,it was reported to be unpleasant.
Rabada should just bring a lawyer to every Test match. Such laws are killing the game.
Nice jinx![]()
Ashwin was dropped like Maharaj, what he does in India is irrelevant to my post.
In any case Maharaj averages 28 in SA and 27 away without having set foot in the subcontinent. I'm not sure what your point is TBH. And no, Maharaj will play most matches in South Africa except in Johannesburg. Whether the opposition is from Asia or not will not influence selection, conditions will.
Averaged 30 against Sri Lanka having played in green tracks, was striking at 57. To put that in perspective Herath averaged 48, striking at 88 in the very same series. Did well against Bangladesh too.
I expect him to do a decent job against Pakistan as well in December. I'm not sure what you're trying to contradict.
Outside Asia (and good for nothing Windies) Maharaj already has two five-fors away and two in South Africa. That is incredible.
Maharaj AWAY: 9 Matches, 36 WKTS, 27 avg, 2.84 EC, 57 S.R.
Ashwin 11 Matches, 31 WKTS, 50 avg, 3.18 EC, 95 S.R. 0 5-fors.
No one is calling Maharaj the best thing since sliced bread or anything of sorts, but he definitely deserves a bit of respect.
What a dud this Mike Haysman is !! Asking Border to repeat his praise for AB that he told before play started. Talk about being a cheerleader.
If AB wins this series for us and the one next year against England. He will have made up for the lamentable sabbatical.
So is Rabada banned or not?
Do you mean the World Cup?