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South Africa beat England by 280 runs in 4th Test

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Wicket has become a bit of a viper's nest. England will do well to even get close to the 475.
 
I have to admit, England has a number of good young batsman coming through. I can see their test team, and to a certain extent ODI team, going far in the future.
 
Hehe, from cricinnfo: "Kagiso Rabada, the Gazelle of Doom, returns". I quite like that name.
 
There goes another opportunity for a hundred for Root. That ball which kept low seems to have played in his mind.
 
As someone noted in previous match threads, Root does seem to struggle to convert those 50s into 100s.

His FC record: 31x 50s, 17x 100s
His test record: 18x 50s, 9x 100s

Steven Smith on the other hand:

Smith's FC record: 32x 50s, 24x 100s
Smith's test record: 14x 50s, 13x 100s.

It's quite tragic to say the least and I'm sure it'll be used against him as his career progresses. I can only wish he learns from it going forward.
 
SA will win this by an innings.

England take their feet off the gas once again.
 
Root also got a good ball though.

Taylor gone now. Poor shot to end a poor innings. His dismal current average of 27 will now decrease again.

With such a long batting lineup, maybe Taylor should be dropped and Bairstow could move up to 5, leaving a space for a specialist wicketkeeper.
 
Great bowling by him this morning to be fair. A well deserved haul.

We are now officially favourites to lose.
 
Rabada is the next great South African fast bowler. I think only a matter of time before he joins the likes of Starc and Boult.
 
England should bring in a replacement keeper before it ruins Bairstow's new found confidence in batting. He can stay in the team as a batsman.
 
Mamoon said:
Rabada is the next great South African fast bowler. I think only a matter of time before he joins the likes of Starc and Boult.
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Absolutely. The guy shows a lot of heart and maturity for his age. His workload should be managed well though.
 
Ab Fan said:
Who will Bairstow replace then?
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It's a tough decision.

Taylor looks off color but with upcoming Indian series he's a must. At the same time Bairstow will struggle to keep in spinning wickets more than SA pitches but his batting demands his inclusion in the side.

Good thing is England have enough time before their tours start again.
 
Robert said:
Hales. Compo can open with Chef. If we had a better keeper we'd be winning this match now.
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Yep. Hales doesn't seem to be cut out for Test cricket, at least for now.

Cook
Compton
Taylor
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Buttler
Ali
Broad
Finn
Jimmy

That's a pretty good team but the only issue will be slowness of opening partnership between Cook/Nick. But the middle and lower middle can make up for it quite well.
 
Robert said:
He's no better behind the sticks than Bairstow though. He could be a specialist test batter in the KP mould, with practice. I'd try someone else.
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Is there someone who is young and good enough to represent England in tests right now?
 
Robert said:
He's no better behind the sticks than Bairstow though. He could be a specialist test batter in the KP mould, with practice. I'd try someone else.
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Not exactly a load of other options around as a keeper -batsman then really so unless we went after a specialist keeper who was one of the best in the country (Michael Bates?) there's not much point going elsewhere.
 
And Butler is a good attacking strokeplayer. It's good to have him at 6 or 7..
 
Need a good innings from Moeen. He's hasn't contributed for some time now.
 
James said:
It does 'matter', but the legacy of the series will be one of a resounding win for England. In the three 'live' matches England got a credible draw and two massive wins. That's what people will remember - not anything about this match to be honest.
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Talking of straws... Read my post again and then tell me which of my points you are arguing against. Full credit to England for beating South Africa, but writing this match off as meaningless is absurd when both captains and every cricket expert worth his salt have stated that there are no dead-rubbers in test cricket. The rankings are just a one of the rewards up for grabs that make it such.
 
Bilal7 said:
Talking of straws... Read my post again and then tell me which of my points you are arguing against. Full credit to England for beating South Africa, but writing this match off as meaningless is absurd when both captains and every cricket expert worth his salt have stated that there are no dead-rubbers in test cricket. The rankings are just a one of the rewards up for grabs that make it such.
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They have to say that to maintain the credibility of test matches. Consolation wins don't count in my book if the series is gone.
 
Robert said:
They have to say that to maintain the credibility of test matches. Consolation wins don't count in my book if the series is gone.
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Yeah. Nobody in Australia cares that we only lost 3-2 or whatever it was
 
It has been rubbish bowling from England and then great bowling from South Africa to be honest. Cook, Compton, Root, Bairstow and Stokes all got very good balls; Woakes played well and got an unlucky bounce for his dismissal; the only poor shots (and they were awful to be fair) came from Hales and Taylor.
 
Bilal7 said:
Talking of straws... Read my post again and then tell me which of my points you are arguing against. Full credit to England for beating South Africa, but writing this match off as meaningless is absurd when both captains and every cricket expert worth his salt have stated that there are no dead-rubbers in test cricket. The rankings are just a one of the rewards up for grabs that make it such.
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Cast your mind back to South Africa's tour of England in 2008, when SA went 2-0 up and Vaughan retired. Now there was actually a Test at the end of the series at the Oval that England played superbly in and won (KP's first match as captain) to make the series 2-1.

Nobody remembers this however. Why? Because it was completely meaningless. Everybody remembers Smith's great batting and captaincy, the world-class bowling from Nel and Steyn, and South Africa just generally handing England a total pasting in their own backyard. That was the important business, so it was remembered.

Dead rubbers are meaningless.
 
Ali is such a luxury down at #8. Bats one down for his county and is the best batsman there. With Rashid joining the team for the tour to India, they could have ten players who are all capable of scoring at least a 50 on their day. Amazing depth.

Robert said:
They have to say that to maintain the credibility of test matches. Consolation wins don't count in my book if the series is gone.
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Well, if the players themselves see this game as important, who are we to argue? Broad, Rabada, Morkel and Anderson could all use a rest but both teams played theit best available players.
 
James said:
Cast your mind back to South Africa's tour of England in 2008, when SA went 2-0 up and Vaughan retired. Now there was actually a Test at the end of the series at the Oval that England played superbly in and won (KP's first match as captain) to make the series 2-1.

Nobody remembers this however. Why? Because it was completely meaningless. Everybody remembers Smith's great batting and captaincy, the world-class bowling from Nel and Steyn, and South Africa just generally handing England a total pasting in their own backyard. That was the important business, so it was remembered.

Dead rubbers are meaningless.
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Test matches are not meaningless. Just because some fans don't remember a test match, doesn't mean that the players themselves won't give it their all. As far as memorable moments are concerned, the draw in Cape Town will be remembered far longer than England's victory at Durban.

I still remember Younis Khan and Azhar Ali's epic partnership that was crucial in winning that last test of the Pakistan vs England series.

This match is an opportunity for England to really drive home the point that they are a team on the rise. For South Africa, a win here would suggest that there is still life in this aging beast. Pride, passion and respect; all good enough to give some meaning this contest.
 
Steyn, Rabadda, Philander, Morkel.. That's still a quality pace attack for SA. The top order and wkt keeper problems seems to be solved. The only problem for SA is no.5 position. You need an excellent batsmen at that spot.
 
Fantastic innings from Moeen but 133 is still a huge deficit.

Game is almost gone.
 
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James said:
Fantastic innings from Moeen but 133 is still a huge deficit.

Game is almost gone.
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One last option for Anderson to show he still capable otherwise match is gone.
 
Poor bowling from Anderson..Cook should replace him after 3 overs...Better to bring Stokes...
 
Come on Anderson. You owe us a performance. Bowl SA out for under 150 and all will be forgiven.
 
Convict said:
Yeah. Nobody in Australia cares that we only lost 3-2 or whatever it was
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Conversely, when England won the Oval test in 2001? and made the margin of loss just one test instead of 1-3, nobody cared either. Australia won three of the crucial four tests and retained the Ashes.

Dead rubber runs and wickets count for less than live series runs and wickets IMO.
 
James said:
It has been rubbish bowling from England and then great bowling from South Africa to be honest. Cook, Compton, Root, Bairstow and Stokes all got very good balls; Woakes played well and got an unlucky bounce for his dismissal; the only poor shots (and they were awful to be fair) came from Hales and Taylor.
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A couple more catches taken and we would have had first-innings parity.
 
Robert said:
Conversely, when England won the Oval test in 2001? and made the margin of loss just one test instead of 1-3, nobody cared either. Australia won three of the crucial four tests and retained the Ashes.

Dead rubber runs and wickets count for less than live series runs and wickets IMO.
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I didn't watch cricket back then. But wasn't there talk of Australia wanting to whitewash England in England and that has never happened in an Ashes series?

England players didn't want that to happen.

Dead rubbers are more important for the team that's already lost the series.
 
there has been a concern whether rabada should be bowling these many overs at such tender age.. I really hope his workload will be managed well. Terrific prospect
 
Chrish said:
there has been a concern whether rabada should be bowling these many overs at such tender age.. I really hope his workload will be managed well. Terrific prospect
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He don't have option as Morkel rarely step up as a leader of bowling attack and SA went with only 4 bowlers..
 
dandapinda said:
That's the problem with him...no consistency.
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you can't decide consistency from performances in few matches..

Rabada has made a per-mature debut. Should have waited couple more years. They are risking him with injuries.
 
Chrish said:
you can't decide consistency from performances in few matches..

Rabada has made a per-mature debut. Should have waited couple more years. They are risking him with injuries.
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I am talking about Morkel....in the absence of Steyn he should take lead role but he is bowling as first change.
 
dandapinda;8350595[B said:
]I am talking about Morkel[/B]....in the absence of Steyn he should take lead role but he is bowling as first change.
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i know.. point still stands
 
dandapinda said:
That's the problem with him...no consistency.
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Morkel bowled well in his first spell against cook and Root.Overall, he has done quite well in this series .SA are missing the third pacer and when Steyn comes it will be a very good pace attack.
 
as tempting as his batting is, I don't think Bairstow is an international standard keeper.. Scoring abilities are useless if he keeps letting opposition score big
 
If all goes well SA will prolly look to declare few overs after tea at the latest and set a target around the 400-450 mark. That should give them two bites at the new cherry.
 
ali bubba said:
I didn't watch cricket back then. But wasn't there talk of Australia wanting to whitewash England in England and that has never happened in an Ashes series?
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I can think of a couple of times when the Aussies took their foot off the gas too.

Also, playing in a dead rubber frees the minds of some players such as Caddick. You want them to perform in pressure-on situations.
 
Chrish said:
as tempting as his batting is, I don't think Bairstow is an international standard keeper.. Scoring abilities are useless if he keeps letting opposition score big
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Yep, he owed England a hundred in the last innings.
 
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