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South Africa v India | 1st Test | Centurion | 16-20 Dec 2010

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saffer said:
I have watch him this season. He will Definately play for South Africa if he can sort out his visa. Really good bowlers and turns is often on saffer tracks. Nice flight and rip too , very Warnesque.
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I saw his Bowling in English County cricket.. Pretty Sharp. And Attacking Spinner.
 
saffer said:
I congratulated him. I still think the pitch turned out to be seriously flat (under prepared becaus eof weather perhaps..not hard enough with enough bounce?). South Africa were 500+ for 4 wickets for example. You don't often see this in South Africa.
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Flat tracks play into the hands of the batsman of course...but I've always considered an innings under that kind of scoreboard pressure a pretty good one, we have seen many a team fold when facing that kind of deficit.
 
taxzu said:
Dude, give credit to Dhoni. Sachin innings was going no where untill dhoni came and took attack to SA. Player like sachin should have shielded tail.
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Yep, well played to Dhoni and Tendulkar. It's an achievement to get this close to avoiding an innings defeat in the first place, when they were looking at losing by an innings and 150-200 runs at the end of the 3rd day.
 
Whippy said:
Kallis debate aside, come on mate, after 1st innings you voiced some very valid criticisms of the Indian batters and their weaknesses on SA tracks, but fair play to SRT for coming up with a very commendable hundred, you can't have it both ways
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and u call urself Neutral??
backing india against everyone?? lol are u trying to get into IPL too ?? :D
 
saffer said:
He's worried about his average falling too far behind Kallis. Which would be humiliating considering he plays half his matches on Indian flat beds.
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Come on dude, I know you dont believe what you just posted. If SRT did go out his avg is not gonna change that much maybe .5 of a run.... To be honest Kallis is not even in the race to catch SRT when both careers have ended SRT will go down the top dawg while others will be just followers...
 
So Unadkat's Achievement in this Test.. 101 runs for 0 wicket.. And 2 runs scored 1 run per innings.. :14: Watta selection.. :))
 
saffer said:
I have watched him this season. He will Definately play for South Africa if he can sort out his visa. Really good bowlers and turns is often on saffer tracks. Nice flight and rip too , very Warnesque.
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Harris is good at what he does - holding up an end and chipping in with a few - but you are possibly an Imran Tahir away from being the no.1 side. I think England can be a top 3 side, but teams like South Africa are just too talented and experienced for us to compete with in the long run.
 
Romali_rotti said:
Come on dude, I know you dont believe what you just posted. If SRT did go out his avg is not gonna change that much maybe .5 of a run.... To be honest Kallis is not even in the race to catch SRT when both careers have ended SRT will go down the top dawg while others will be just followers...
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Lol i don't think it's the time for a Kallis debate because the usual arguments will be thrown around. Kallis averages more, has 250 wickets, will close the runs deficit down to about 1000 because Tendulkar will retire first etc.
 
Zamee said:
and u call urself Neutral??
backing india against everyone?? lol are u trying to get into IPL too ?? :D
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I just like test cricket and give credit to everyone, but yeah, obviously I am a die-hard England fan first and then a bit of an Indian cheerleader second...not sure why :P
 
Whippy said:
Harris is good at what he does - holding up an end and chipping in with a few - but you are possibly an Imran Tahir away from being the no.1 side. I think England can be a top 3 side, but teams like South Africa are just too talented and experienced for us to compete with in the long run.
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Don't despair, guys like Swann and Trott will keep you guys in the reckoning for the next 5 years or so - plenty of time to source new talent :)
 
Jo_Don said:
Lol i don't think it's the time for a Kallis debate because the usual arguments will be thrown around. Kallis averages more, has 250 wickets, will close the runs deficit down to about 1000 because Tendulkar will retire first etc.
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When is the Durban test match ?
 
Jo_Don said:
Don't despair, guys like Swann and Trott will keep you guys in the reckoning for the next 5 years or so - plenty of time to source new talent :)
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Obviously we are pretty good, and very very good at home. We should target beating Sri Lanka and India next year at home. I think we did pretty well to sneak the 1-1 draw in SA, there can't have been many teams that have shot out your formidable batting lineup twice in quick succession as we did in Durban. But man for man your team is definitely the best right now. Just like I said in the other congrats thread, you need to stop drawing series with inferior teams...1-1 with Eng and 0-0 with Pak. Can't be no.1 unless you prove it with results
 
Arun lal saying it will be big upset if india wins the series. Doesnt he know india is No. 1 test team.
 
11 centuries out of 50 in losing cause (20%) is pretty normal...has any top player ever exclusively reserved his centuries for wins and draws? No
 
@SA posters
Why do you think that SA have never won any silverware despite having very good ODI teams. Do you believe in the 'Choker' syndrome? Just wanted to find out the local point of view.....
 
Romali_rotti said:
Come on dude, I know you dont believe what you just posted. If SRT did go out his avg is not gonna change that much maybe .5 of a run.... To be honest Kallis is not even in the race to catch SRT when both careers have ended SRT will go down the top dawg while others will be just followers...
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Kallis is third in the running with 38 hundreds. He's also 2 years younger. Will Kallis get 12 centuries before his career ends ? I wouldn't bet against it. Overall he has a better average. And close to 300 test wickets at an average of 30. Who is the greatest player currently playing cricket ? It's not even close.

It's Jacques Kallis.
 
Can anyone explain to me what Sachin was doing today? Why was he exposing the tail so much...he did not even try to make a game of it.
 
Whippy said:
Obviously we are pretty good, and very very good at home. We should target beating Sri Lanka and India next year at home. I think we did pretty well to sneak the 1-1 draw in SA, there can't have been many teams that have shot out your formidable batting lineup twice in quick succession as we did in Durban. But man for man your team is definitely the best right now. Just like I said in the other congrats thread, you need to stop drawing series with inferior teams...1-1 with Eng and 0-0 with Pak. Can't be no.1 unless you prove it with results
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Yep we should have taken the last wicket on both occasions against you guys, but perhaps Onions should get some credit too for holding on for the draw. It's part of the game - one person fails because another succeeds.

As for the drawn series in the UAE, I really don't think there was ever going to be a winner on those tracks, no matter which team played there. Maybe a magical spell by Warne could have produced a result, but I really didn't see it going any other way.
 
Sanchez said:
@SA posters
Why do you think that SA have never won any silverware despite having very good ODI teams. Do you believe in the 'Choker' syndrome? Just wanted to find out the local point of view.....
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Fear of losing, I think. That's why they always seem to choke in the dying stages of tournies.
 
saffer said:
Kallis is third in the running with 38 hundreds. He's also 2 years younger. Will Kallis get 12 centuries before his career ends ? I wouldn't bet against it. Overall he has a better average. And close to 300 test wickets at an average of 30. Who is the greatest player currently playing cricket ? It's not even close.

It's Jacques Kallis.
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Yeah and he doesnt only score in SA!!
 
purplehaze said:
Wrong Read my post - it's 20
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Your stats are a little dumb to be honest. 20/50 looks great. What about 20/140?

Anyways that aside, I Do think he is a match winner, just wanted to point out the flaw in your stat.
 
kkmix said:
you can also say this

more than half his century didnt help india win the test match.
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I think you'll find that to be the case with most batsmen :)

You can't really lay blame at him for the loss - it was inevitable. But it was a good fight from him and Dhoni to bring India this close to avoiding an innings defeat.
 
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Sanchez said:
@SA posters
Why do you think that SA have never won any silverware despite having very good ODI teams. Do you believe in the 'Choker' syndrome? Just wanted to find out the local point of view.....
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We did win the icc thingie by the way.

We have never won a world cup due to...

first one we played : Rain (needing 22 runs in 13 balls to suddenly needing it in 1 balls, before the DL system.)

So no choke.

Second one : Lost to West Indies, Best Batsman in the world at that time (Lara) played us out the game.

No choke.

Third one we tied to Australia despite being way behind after Shane Warne destroyed us. Lance Klusener
came from behind and bashed a 50 to get us to the tie position. Then that run out. You can call that a choke if you like, but I call it tieing a game you should have lost.

No choke. Bu already being called "chokers" by Australian media.

Fourth one lost again due to rain and Pollock misreading the DL figures.

Fifth one lost to Australia in quarters.

So there you have it. Cricket is a funny game with the best odi teams in the world (S.A and Australia) having only a 2 in3 game wins record. Showing you can lose a game at anytime. We just happen to have lost those in Semi finals.

Untimately to be called chokers because of never winning a world cup is the best form of flattery. It's exactly the same as saying "You are so good you should have won."
 
Amir said:
Can anyone explain to me what Sachin was doing today? Why was he exposing the tail so much...he did not even try to make a game of it.
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Well sachin didnt wanna get out cuz then his average will drop more so he decided that other batsman shod get out
 
Jo_Don said:
Yep we should have taken the last wicket on both occasions against you guys, but perhaps Onions should get some credit too for holding on for the draw. It's part of the game - one person fails because another succeeds.

As for the drawn series in the UAE, I really don't think there was ever going to be a winner on those tracks, no matter which team played there. Maybe a magical spell by Warne could have produced a result, but I really didn't see it going any other way.
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of course, we should have lost this series, but we never stopped fighting in 3 out of the 4 tests and somehow escaped with a drawn series. the innings win was also hugely impressive. the results are what people remember. I just posted elsewhere that your results have been disappointing:

1-2 Aus home loss
1-1 Eng home
0-0 Pak away
1-1 Ind away

This isn't a number 1 team on basis of results...yet.
But this match is obviously a big step in right direction.
 
Jo_Don said:
Fear of losing, I think. That's why they always seem to choke in the dying stages of tournies.
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Lol.

I think the rest of the world thinks they are doing some kind of voodoo on South Africa when they call us chokers. As if this is suddenly going to magically make us lose our minds because if we lost they will point and go "hah hah".

438 game ? Test series in Australia ? Test series in India ? Consistantly number 1 team in odi's and tests the past few years ? etc

It's clearly not working. But go ahead, it's a extreme form of flattery to know you all think we're the best team around so much that we should win every tournament, because if we don't its only because we choked. No wonder South Africans are so arrogant. Which other team gets called a choker if they lose ? Obviously people expect more from us so we must be the best.
 
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Originally Posted by Passion4Pakistan
SA can't win this Match..
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Passion4Pakistan said:
Yes Damn Serious. ( ???? ) <---- Mark this.. Will Answer this after the match is finished.
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I posted Similar thing to 2nd Test for Aus vs Eng.

That Australia will win that test, and later on We saw, Eng Won by an Innings. :D

Here I said that " SA can't win this Match".. And See SA won by Inngs too.. :)))
 
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I wonder if the Saffers are satisfied the pay the game has panned out?

yes they won the Test, but a more clinical performance perhaps was required?

they still need to fine tune their bowling, especially the 3rd and 4th bowlers.
 
Whippy said:
of course, we should have lost this series, but we never stopped fighting in 3 out of the 4 tests and somehow escaped with a drawn series. the innings win was also hugely impressive. the results are what people remember. I just posted elsewhere that your results have been disappointing:

1-2 Aus home loss
1-1 Eng home
0-0 Pak away
1-1 Ind away

This isn't a number 1 team on basis of results...yet.
But this match is obviously a big step in right direction.
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You forgot the 5 series before that were :

Aus away won
England away won
Pakistan away won
Pakistan home won
India home won

Convenient.
 
saffer said:
Kallis is third in the running with 38 hundreds. He's also 2 years younger. Will Kallis get 12 centuries before his career ends ? I wouldn't bet against it. Overall he has a better average. And close to 300 test wickets at an average of 30. Who is the greatest player currently playing cricket ? It's not even close.

It's Jacques Kallis.
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Yes Kallis is the only true contendor for SRT in batting but I dont see it, cant see Kallis beating SRT...Overall for everything he brings to the table yes Kallis is better than SRT due to his bowling...
 
Ahmed Zulfiqar said:
I wonder if the Saffers are satisfied the pay the game has panned out?

yes they won the Test, but a more clinical performance perhaps was required?

they still need to fine tune their bowling, especially the 3rd and 4th bowlers.
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They rely a lot on Steyn, which is fine, because every team has 1/2 bowler that is superior to the rest. England looked very capable of competing with SA in their own backyard when they were not facing a fit and firing Steyn, and actually were 1-0 up after three tests. your point I have highlighted is the key one for me, because as awesome as Steyn is he will not be able/available to take his standard haul of wickets every day, and they need somebody else to step up to the plate. Morkel only looks capable of doing this on helpful wickets thus far, though I do rate him
 
Amir said:
Can anyone explain to me what Sachin was doing today? Why was he exposing the tail so much...he did not even try to make a game of it.
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I am tryina figure that out myself, he could have Afridied and entertained the crowd. However it seems he just wanted the match over quickly which was dissappointing but I have been having an awesome day with the Eagles win so I am cool....
 
saffer said:
You forgot the 5 series before that were :

Aus away won
England away won
Pakistan away won
Pakistan home won
India home won

Convenient.
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Just going on some more recent results bro, which is fair. you haven't won any series this year (yet) (I think?)

obviously I can't take away what you've done home and away in those series you mentioned, if you look up the thread you will see me giving a lot of credit to your team.

but if you look at your 5 successful series, you also have to look at the 4 series I mentioned.
 
Whippy said:
They rely a lot on Steyn, which is fine, because every team has 1/2 bowler that is superior to the rest. England looked very capable of competing with SA in their own backyard when they were not facing a fit and firing Steyn, and actually were 1-0 up after three tests. your point I have highlighted is the key one for me, because as awesome as Steyn is he will not be able/available to take his standard haul of wickets every day, and they need somebody else to step up to the plate. Morkel only looks capable of doing this on helpful wickets thus far, though I do rate him
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1-0 with two near losses. Actually we relied equally on Ntini until this year. I would still play him as the third seamer. He's still bowling high 130's and early 140's. Lately Morkel has been getting as many wickets as Steyn. We still need a wicket taking spinner although Harris always does a decent enough job.
 
Passion4Pakistan said:
And How Many of Sachin's Century came from Foreign Soil????
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28. now you gonna ask how many outside subcontinent? ok here the list. Australia-6, Bangla-5, Eng-4, NZ-2, Pak-1, SA-4, Srilanka-5, WI-1, ZM-0

33 in Asia, 4 in Africa, 1 in America, 4 in Europe, 8 in Oceania according to Cricinfo :)

Now the next question is which are flat track? Sorry, I have no idea :)
 
Whippy said:
Just going on some more recent results bro, which is fair. you haven't won any series this year (yet) (I think?)

obviously I can't take away what you've done home and away in those series you mentioned, if you look up the thread you will see me giving a lot of credit to your team.

but if you look at your 5 successful series, you also have to look at the 4 series I mentioned.
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I have no issues with looking at these series. We were extremely dominant in the three drawn series. Eng;lanbd saved 2 games 9 wickets down. Pakistan were playing to survive on total docile tracks. India will admit we were all over them in the first two tests and they had to prepare ashocking track to pull back a win in the third to draw with us. And Australian one we lost only to come back and beat therm by an innings in the third.
 
In my mind, you still have to win this series to be the rightful no.1. India may win a lot of home, but at least they have been winning these series. But if you can beat them 1-1 away last time and now beat them again here, fine, absolutely, done and dusted.
 
Whippy said:
but still 1-0, by an innings to boot. results are all that matters in sport fella.

Steyn, Morkel, Ntini and Tahir sounds pretty hot to me.
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WEll I think things have context in cricket. We lost serious points by drawing to England and Pakistan this year. I don't think it's unfair to argue two series we should have won on paper but to circumstances out of our hands (docile tracks, time lost etc) and some within our hands (late declarations etc) we drew. To draw favourably is certainly not a loss.
 
Romali_rotti said:
Ntini is playing in Durban next match ?
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No , he's retired. But he will play the 20/20 game at the Durban soccer stadium as his swansong. That will be interesting as it's a beautiful stadium but it's way under sized for cricket (field wise).
 
a favourable draw is not a loss, but of course it is not a win either. a draw is a draw.

wins are quite hard to achieve in test cricket, hence why getting ranking points is hard (ranking system is a bit rubbishy anyway IMO, I don't think we will even gain any/many points if we win the Ashes, because Australia were ranked below us at the start of the series, and this does not take into account how difficult it is to beat Australia at home)

so if we can put aside ranking points for now, and just go on achievements - if you drew favourably in India and then were to beat India at home, given your record over last few years which is very strong, you are the best team in the eyes of the world. still 2 tests to go though.
 
dinakar said:
28. now you gonna ask how many outside subcontinent? ok here the list. Australia-6, Bangla-5, Eng-4, NZ-2, Pak-1, SA-4, Srilanka-5, WI-1, ZM-0

33 in Asia, 4 in Africa, 1 in America, 4 in Europe, 8 in Oceania according to Cricinfo :)

Now the next question is which are flat track? Sorry, I have no idea :)
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Obviously sachin is greatest batsman to be born on this planet. But he is not match winner. Those who dont like him will say he is selfish, not a team player and plays only for records.
 
Whippy said:
a favourable draw is not a loss, but of course it is not a win either. a draw is a draw.

wins are quite hard to achieve in test cricket, hence why getting ranking points is hard (ranking system is a bit rubbishy anyway IMO, I don't think we will even gain any/many points if we win the Ashes, because Australia were ranked below us at the start of the series, and this does not take into account how difficult it is to beat Australia at home)

so if we can put aside ranking points for now, and just go on achievements - if you drew favourably in India and then were to beat India at home, given your record over last few years which is very strong, you are the best team in the eyes of the world. still 2 tests to go though.
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Well I agree. We lost points when we drew to India in India as we were the current number 1 team I think. It's not a perfect system and highly flawed. After all it currently says India is a better team than S.A which is absurd considering Indias record against South Africa. Perhaps they need tome dual matrix system.
 
taxzu said:
Obviously sachin is greatest batsman to be born on this planet. But he is not match winner. Those who dont like him will say he is selfish, not a team player and plays only for records.
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What are you saying ? Jacques Kallis was not born on this planet ? Beacuse he's obviously better considering he played 50% of his games on South African wickets and has a better average than Sachin who mostly plays on placid Indian tracks.
 
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dinakar said:
28. now you gonna ask how many outside subcontinent? ok here the list. Australia-6, Bangla-5, Eng-4, NZ-2, Pak-1, SA-4, Srilanka-5, WI-1, ZM-0

33 in Asia, 4 in Africa, 1 in America, 4 in Europe, 8 in Oceania according to Cricinfo :)

Now the next question is which are flat track? Sorry, I have no idea :)
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LOL.... Your details are like, Heavy rain without even having enough could in the sky.. :)))
 
An expected and well deserved win for SA.

Even though Sachin and Dhoni showed some good fight in the second innings, the kind of lead they'd given SA in the 1st innings would have taken nothing short of a miracle to beat. Now, If India wants to make a series of it, they need to not get lazy and fight for control of the remaining matches from the very beginning. See-saw matches are more fun to watch than this totally one-sided spectacle.
 
Jo_Don said:
Don't despair, guys like Swann and Trott will keep you guys in the reckoning for the next 5 years or so - plenty of time to source new talent :)
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Hohohoho! I see what you did there :))
 
saffer said:
What are you saying ? Jacques Kallis was not born on this planet ? Beacuse he's obviously better considering he played 50% of his games on South African wickets and has a better average than Sachin who mostly plays on placid Indian tracks.
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Why not consider both of their records on a neutral venue(after all Kallis was born and brought up in SA and played on these tracks all his life) against a good attack like Australia?
 
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