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Super 8 qualification scenarios for Pakistan in ICC T20 World Cup 2024

Pakistan will be unfortunate to go out with rain
If all matches are completed I would expect Ireland to beat USA and for us to beat Ireland.
It's only carelessness that has stopped us topping this group
 
Abdullah said:
This is incorrect, the seeding is already decided. If we go through we get England, Windies and SA ( or replace with team that takes their place)
Nothing to do with where people finish
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India's likely Super8 fixtures:

Vs Afghanistan - 20th June (Barbados).

Vs Ban/Ned - 22nd June (Antigua).

Vs Australia - 24th June (St Lucia).
 
Abdullah said:
Pakistan will be unfortunate to go out with rain
If all matches are completed I would expect Ireland to beat USA and for us to beat Ireland.
It's only carelessness that has stopped us topping this group
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US beat Canada and Pakistan and gave India a run for their money while Ireland was nowhere against India and lost comfortably to Canada. Why will USA suddenly lose to a poor performing in their home.
There is a difference between expectation and hope.
 
Flood warning issued.

Life-threatening infact, but the rain will ease up now.

However, it will still continue to rain on and off, and I doubt the ground will be in any condition for playing even on Sunday.
 
Aang_The_last_airbender said:
Why arent the matches bring shifted out of Florida??
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Yeah I think with the weather forecast this far out, maybe something could have been done?

You can’t just sit there twiddling thumbs like the ICC have, and have a bunch of matches rained out like this.

Cricket might be the only sport that can never adjust.
 
Finally, some luck for USA. They were expected to play Ireland just 33 hours after playing India , which included travelling a whopping 1200 miles from NY to Lauderhill.

They would've been dead tired and absolutely smashed by Ireland who have been there for many days.

Now the washout will give them a deserved point to qualify.
 
The rain is so bad in South Florida that a flood warning has made it onto the CNN headlines.

Players will have to swim to get to the ground. :yk
 
On Friday its showing very minimal rain and 0% chances of rain after 12 in afternoon. Does water logging is an issue or what?
 
Devadwal said:
Stop blaming rain if Pakistan out of the tournament .They bottled the job against USA and India.
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Devadwal said:
Stop blaming rain if Pakistan out of the tournament .They bottled the job against USA and India.
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Well Ireland can technically qualify as can other teams in other groups who may be hampered by rain.

Rained off games in tournaments make it unbalanced. Obviously the weather cannot be controlled but there needs to be some measures in place to maintain some fairness at a world event.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Well Ireland can technically qualify as can other teams in other groups who may be hampered by rain.

Rained off games in tournaments make it unbalanced. Obviously the weather cannot be controlled but there needs to be some measures in place to maintain some fairness at a world event.
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Rain will only help USA qualify and no one else?
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Rain will only help USA qualify and no one else?
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It may hamper Ireland, Pakistan and has hampered England in another group.

It just seems to be casually accepted as the way things go in cricket but really you can't have the weather dictating a world event like this.

And yes I understand if Pakistan did XYZ then they wouldn't have to worry about rain arguments...but putting that to one side it's unfair that some teams always get a reduced number of matches in ICC tournaments.

If matches can't be moved then in future world cups they should decided by pre tournament seedings/rankings or a bowl out or something. Just saying Oops it's raining here is a point each isn't the way to do things.
 
Pakistan deserve to be knocked out just because they lost to USA.
Their performance was inexplicable and rain washing out their final game is karma.

Some have alluded to rain playing a part in 1992, well rain unfortunately is part or the game. Teams have to take this factor into account and not leave anything to chance. In 1992, arguably rain also denied South Africa a place in the final.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Well Ireland can technically qualify as can other teams in other groups who may be hampered by rain.

Rained off games in tournaments make it unbalanced. Obviously the weather cannot be controlled but there needs to be some measures in place to maintain some fairness at a world event.
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Nothing as unbalanced ,its part of game. Sometimes its favour you or sometimes apposition .

If USA reach in Super 8 then they deserved becouse they beat Pakistan twice in a game. It was not a fluke
 
DeadlyVenom said:
It may hamper Ireland, Pakistan and has hampered England in another group.

It just seems to be casually accepted as the way things go in cricket but really you can't have the weather dictating a world event like this.

And yes I understand if Pakistan did XYZ then they wouldn't have to worry about rain arguments...but putting that to one side it's unfair that some teams always get a reduced number of matches in ICC tournaments.

If matches can't be moved then in future world cups they should decided by pre tournament seedings/rankings or a bowl out or something. Just saying Oops it's raining here is a point each isn't the way to do things.
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I agree completely with that but the whole point of tournament cricket is that it is not based on rankings once you do qualify for the tournament.

Unless cricket as a whole finds a way to mitigate the impact of rain, there is nothing that can be done for ICC tournaments in particular.

A lot of fans, especially English fans, were complaining about the lack of jeopardy in past ICC events and how the group stages were too long and favoured the traditional Test nations.

Well it's shorter this time and you have to win every match to be sure of a chance at qualification- plenty of jeopardy.

Rain was a huge issue in Australia last time too and the rained out SA-ZIM game allowed PAK to qualify for the semis.
 
Devadwal said:
Nothing as unbalanced ,its part of game. Sometimes its favour you or sometimes apposition .

If USA reach in Super 8 then they deserved becouse they beat Pakistan twice in a game. It was not a fluke
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Why would they deserve it more than Ireland, who may not get a chance to play the USA or Pakistan?
 
Nikhil_cric said:
I agree completely with that but the whole point of tournament cricket is that it is not based on rankings once you do qualify for the tournament.

Unless cricket as a whole finds a way to mitigate the impact of rain, there is nothing that can be done for ICC tournaments in particular.

A lot of fans, especially English fans, were complaining about the lack of jeopardy in past ICC events and how the group stages were too long and favoured the traditional Test nations.

Well it's shorter this time and you have to win every match to be sure of a chance at qualification- plenty of jeopardy.

Rain was a huge issue in Australia last time too and the rained out SA-ZIM game allowed PAK to qualify for the semis.
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Jeopardy should be achieved through actual cricket, not artificially introduced by the weather.


At the very least they should have a bowl out - still a lot of luck involved but the players need to step up and perform under pressure. It's something that can be practiced for, keeps viewers engaged and still has some elements of the game involved.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Why would they deserve it more than Ireland, who may not get a chance to play the USA or Pakistan?
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Ireland were played against india and lost the match badly While USA match against india was Very close ,even at one point they were in winning postion
So clearly USA deserve more than Pakistan, Ireland .
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Jeopardy should be achieved through actual cricket, not artificially introduced by the weather.


At the very least they should have a bowl out - still a lot of luck involved but the players need to step up and perform under pressure. It's something that can be practiced for, keeps viewers engaged and still has some elements of the game involved.
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Using bowl outs and/or standalone Super Overs wouldn't be fair to any team either.

Imagine if there was rain in the US-PAK game and it was to be determined by a Super Over with Netra and Aamir bowling or a bowl out. Wouldn't do justice to the contest at all!

At best you can have reserve days and reduce the number of venues the games are played at and ensure that tournaments don't happen in the rainy/monsoon season.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Yeah I think with the weather forecast this far out, maybe something could have been done?

You can’t just sit there twiddling thumbs like the ICC have, and have a bunch of matches rained out like this.

Cricket might be the only sport that can never adjust.
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Why should anything be done? Rains and adverse weather are part and parcel of the game and Pakistan has no one except itself to blame for another 1st round exit.
 
adi_62941 said:
On Friday its showing very minimal rain and 0% chances of rain after 12 in afternoon. Does water logging is an issue or what?
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In lauderdale? Nah, dude. It’s nonstop rain for the next many days. It’s literally flooding there and per some estimates, the worst rains in generations. No way any cricket will be played on Friday and even Sunday is a major question.
 
By the way, for those funny Pakistani fans crying foul, by the time Pakistan took the field against the US, it was already known that a major weather storm was about to hit Florida making continued games there untenable this week. A quick perusal on any weather app could have told anyone this much.

Pakistan has itself to blame for inadequate preparations and taking proper precautions. They approached this World Cup, like they have approached all other World Cups: unprepared, confused and with victim mentality. The result was being horribly beaten by a minnow US team made up of part-timers and are now at cusp of elimination.
 
chinaman00 said:
By the way, for those funny Pakistani fans crying foul, by the time Pakistan took the field against the US, it was already known that a major weather storm was about to hit Florida making continued games there untenable this week. A quick perusal on any weather app could have told anyone this much.

Pakistan has itself to blame for inadequate preparations and taking proper precautions. They approached this World Cup, like they have approached all other World Cups: unprepared, confused and with victim mentality. The result was being horribly beaten by a minnow US team made up of part-timers and are now at cusp of elimination.
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This is the reason why Naqvi just stormed off back home without wanting to speak to anyone from the team straight after the India game. He knew Pakistan were out
 
Rana said:
This is the reason why Naqvi just stormed off back home without wanting to speak to anyone from the team straight after the India game. He knew Pakistan were out
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I doubt somehow a PCB official has that much foresight bro.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
I doubt somehow a PCB official has that much foresight bro.
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Well, tbh you could be right. Even I didn’t bother checking the weather forecast until a day after Pakistan lost to India. My attention wasn’t diverted this way.

But for Naqvi to just say “this team needs a major surgery” and storming back home to Pakistan is indicative that he knew the show was over. Must have been told during the game that Pakistan is treading on thin ice here.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
I doubt somehow a PCB official has that much foresight bro.
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The thing is the weather reports for florida were clear so I'd be suprised if a team and management wouldn't take that into account.

All it takes is a Google search? And drs is talked about every tournament?

Pakistan had to have gone with the hey we are playing 3 games, gotta win 2 out of 3 and get that one extra point.
 
chinaman00 said:
By the way, for those funny Pakistani fans crying foul, by the time Pakistan took the field against the US, it was already known that a major weather storm was about to hit Florida making continued games there untenable this week. A quick perusal on any weather app could have told anyone this much.

Pakistan has itself to blame for inadequate preparations and taking proper precautions. They approached this World Cup, like they have approached all other World Cups: unprepared, confused and with victim mentality. The result was being horribly beaten by a minnow US team made up of part-timers and are now at cusp of elimination.
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Pak team & management don’t look that far ahead never have.dont pay attentions to nrr etc.. the only thing they look at is where the next free meal is coming from.
 
Although I don't want Pakistan to reach the Super 8s as they don't deserve to, I do agree with the point Mening made very early in the thread. It is one thing for it to rain on that day, you can't help it, but when the forecast is so obvious for the entire week and this has been known since at least 5+ days in advance, ICC should have done better to move the venue. I understand the logistics part but what's the point of not disturbing the logistics when you know the games ain't happening anyways!?
 
sam_ahm said:
Although I don't want Pakistan to reach the Super 8s as they don't deserve to, I do agree with the point Mening made very early in the thread. It is one thing for it to rain on that day, you can't help it, but when the forecast is so obvious for the entire week and this has been known since at least 5+ days in advance, ICC should have done better to move the venue. I understand the logistics part but what's the point of not disturbing the logistics when you know the games ain't happening anyways!?
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Move the venue to nearest one where there is no rain. Since there is adequate time, conducting and managing every thing related to game is not that difficult. Tell people who already brought the tickets regarding the change in venue, give refund to the one's not willing to come before one day and sell those tickets. It's not that difficult to do.
 
jiduguravindra said:
Move the venue to nearest one where there is no rain. Since there is adequate time, conducting and managing every thing related to game is not that difficult. Tell people who already brought the tickets regarding the change in venue, give refund to the one's not willing to come before one day and sell those tickets. It's not that difficult to do.
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These things are only sensible if NO GAMES had been played in the group. It makes no sense now to take away the natural element of weather which has historically played a part in next stage qualifications now that 70% of the group fixtures have been played.

Fair is fair, if your game is getting washed out…tough. Deal with it.


If there is a complete washout predicted un Super 8s…that’s where the ICC has to probably act and be more flexible. Not in these group stages now
 
Rana said:
These things are only sensible if NO GAMES had been played in the group. It makes no sense now to take away the natural element of weather which has historically played a part in next stage qualifications now that 70% of the group fixtures have been played.

Fair is fair, if your game is getting washed out…tough. Deal with it.


If there is a complete washout predicted un Super 8s…that’s where the ICC has to probably act and be more flexible. Not in these group stages now
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I agree if only one game is getting effected but there are 3 games to be played in same venue where potentially all will be washed out. Moving the venue in this situation make sense.
 
BBC seem optimistic about the weather improving?

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jiduguravindra said:
I agree if only one game is getting effected but there are 3 games to be played in same venue where potentially all will be washed out. Moving the venue in this situation make sense.
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You open this door now and will not be able to close it ever again in the future.

Every team will demand a shift in venue or rematch for rained off games in future ICC tournaments if you open this door now. It’s an international event with a lot of factors such as broadcasting, logistics as many have pointed out. This isn’t a local community tournament where you can adjust accordingly.

What about the England v Scotland match? Should that be replayed if the ICC moves the venue now?
 
Thank you Amir for bowling the worst Super Over in history. The single biggest reason for Pakistan’s elimination.

You can’t concede 19 runs vs USA. This is what he came back for.

Happy retirement and don’t let the door hit you on the way out. You have let Pakistan cricket down once more.
 
Rana said:
You open this door now and will not be able to close it ever again in the future.

Every team will demand a shift in venue or rematch for rained off games in future ICC tournaments if you open this door now. It’s an international event with a lot of factors such as broadcasting, logistics as many have pointed out. This isn’t a local community tournament where you can adjust accordingly.

What about the England v Scotland match? Should that be replayed if the ICC moves the venue now?
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There should be 4 reserve days held between the group stage and the super eights. These days should be earmarked to complete/replay any washed out games. And all locations should be on stand by for hosting, and the location with the best weather forecast should be picked to play these matches. 3 T20 matches can be played on one venue in a single day. So hopefully all “washed out matches can get a result”.

And likewise there should be 4 reserve days between super eights and semi finals to replay/complete any washed out super eight games.

And there is no problem if you can’t arrange tickets for these. They can be played in an empty stadium no problem. So long as they are televised.

In the long term every country that wants to host an ICC event must have atleast one indoor stadium to be used to complete washed out matches during tournaments.

Serious effort needs to be made to remove the ridiculousness of weather influencing tournament outcomes. Stop treating this with a “oh well s*** happens” attitude.
 
SM1989 said:
Serious effort needs to be made to remove the ridiculousness of weather influencing tournament outcomes. Stop treating this with a “oh well s*** happens” attitude.
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This is cricket. This is the purity of the game

“Oh well s happens” is part of the beautiful game.

Deal with it!
 
Rana said:
This is cricket. This is the purity of the game

“Oh well s happens” is part of the beautiful game.

Deal with it!
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This is ridiculous. Is there any other major sport that is influenced so heavily by the weather like this?
 
Mamoon said:
Thank you Amir for bowling the worst Super Over in history. The single biggest reason for Pakistan’s elimination.

You can’t concede 19 runs vs USA. This is what he came back for.

Happy retirement and don’t let the door hit you on the way out. You have let Pakistan cricket down once more.
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Tbh Pakistan sold it's soul bringing him back in 2016.
 
Rana said:
You open this door now and will not be able to close it ever again in the future.

Every team will demand a shift in venue or rematch for rained off games in future ICC tournaments if you open this door now. It’s an international event with a lot of factors such as broadcasting, logistics as many have pointed out. This isn’t a local community tournament where you can adjust accordingly.

What about the England v Scotland match? Should that be replayed if the ICC moves the venue now?
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The door shouldn't be opened in this tournament, but the ICC should add a clause for future tournaments stating that games may be moved due to extreme weather conditions.
 
chinaman00 said:
Why should anything be done? Rains and adverse weather are part and parcel of the game and Pakistan has no one except itself to blame for another 1st round exit.
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Agreed on the fact that Pakistan don't deserve to go through at all. Losing to USA is still shocking, no matter how much spirit they have had. The skill gap is just too big.

Adverse weather should not be part and parcel of this game though. England is facing elimination due to a wash-out against Scotland and will be under pressure now. South Africa got knocked out in WC2022 because of a wash-out, despite beating India.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
Tbh Pakistan sold it's soul bringing him back in 2016.
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Had some short term gain by bringing him back. But he will constantly be used as an example to persuade people that they can fix and come back. Every fixer has hope that they can do an Amir and get a call back. Even non Pakistani teams.

We have had fixers after the trio and no doubt we will have fixers in the future where some more talented players will fix and throw their careers away.

Same with fitness, we play these overweight cricketers and we will have players in the future not bothered about keeping fit. Even if you compare this squad now, most players are less fit than even a few years ago.

We just wrongly prioritise the short term over the long term.
 
Report - fast bowler Mohammad Amir will permanently retire from international cricket after the T20 World Cup and will focus on T20 leagues

Why now he retired? If so he should have not came back for just T20 world cup .
Mamoon said:
Thank you Amir for bowling the worst Super Over in history. The single biggest reason for Pakistan’s elimination.

You can’t concede 19 runs vs USA. This is what he came back for.

Happy retirement and don’t let the door hit you on the way out. You have let Pakistan cricket down once more.
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DeadlyVenom said:
The door shouldn't be opened in this tournament, but the ICC should add a clause for future tournaments stating that games may be moved due to extreme weather conditions.
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So many matches in the history of cricket world tournaments got affected due to rain yet ICC didn't take single measure. At least having a reserve day helps alot.
 
jiduguravindra said:
So many matches in the history of cricket world tournaments got affected due to rain yet ICC didn't take single measure. At least having a reserve day helps alot.
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Dude, reserve day for every game requires double the amount of wages you pay to the broadcasters, officials and ground staff.

It’s not financially feasible
 
Rana said:
Dude, reserve day for every game requires double the amount of wages you pay to the broadcasters, officials and ground staff.

It’s not financially feasible
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Didn't they generate revenue if they play the game. Anyway there have to incur sunk cost on rain effected day, conducting match on reserve day generates revenue. May be they will not get much profit out of it but no losses either. May be they consider reserve day after first round of world events.
 
Devadwal said:
Report - fast bowler Mohammad Amir will permanently retire from international cricket after the T20 World Cup and will focus on T20 leagues

Why now he retired? If so he should have not came back for just T20 world cup .
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Because he is a selfish coward.
 
Amir came back because there were no leagues going around and the chance of a paid trip to the US + World Cup was too tempting to resist.

And he ended up bowling the worst Super Over in history to cost Pakistan a place in the Super 8. What a disgrace.
 
Mamoon said:
Amir came back because there were no leagues going around and the chance of a paid trip to the US + World Cup was too tempting to resist.

And he ended up bowling the worst Super Over in history to cost Pakistan a place in the Super 8. What a disgrace.
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You are making it seem like Pakistan would have made it to the Super 8 if Amir didn't concede 19 in the super over.

I'm sure the Pak batsmen would have messed the chase up even if Amir gave away 9 runs. If not, they'd have taken it easy vs Canada and Ireland and lost those matches.
 
Rana said:
This is cricket. This is the purity of the game

“Oh well s happens” is part of the beautiful game.

Deal with it!
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The weather is a fair variable for all teams since it’s not in the control of anyone.

Besides, Pakistan should be the last country complaining about the weather. This is a team that lost to a minnow and now wants ICC help to qualify by moving their match to a different venue lol

If you want to advance to the next stage, don’t lose to minnows…or better yet, don’t sit at the bottom of the table.
 
Sher Khan said:
You are making it seem like Pakistan would have made it to the Super 8 if Amir didn't concede 19 in the super over.

I'm sure the Pak batsmen would have messed the chase up even if Amir gave away 9 runs. If not, they'd have taken it easy vs Canada and Ireland and lost those matches.
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That is all just hypotheticals. Who knows what could/should/would have happened.

However what is a fact is that he choked and bowled the worst superovers in history.

I hope he takes the opportunity to redeem himself if we qualify.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
That is all just hypotheticals. Who knows what could/should/would have happened.

However what is a fact is that he choked and bowled the worst superovers in history.

I hope he takes the opportunity to redeem himself if we qualify.
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Amir has been Pakistan's best bowler in this tournament. Pakistani batsmen has been so poor in this tournament!
 
Mainul said:
Amir has been Pakistan's best bowler in this tournament. Pakistani batsmen has been so poor in this tournament!
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I think Naseem Shah has been our best.

So far I'd put it as
Naseem
Haris
Amir
Shaheen
 
Cricket must be the only so-called global sport in the world where qualification is based on climatic conditions.

Cricket and geography make a good match.
 
That super over is haunting us so bad. It could ve been a great tournament going forward but with usa scotland qualifying super 8s look dull.
 
NYC stadium is being dismantled already. And the weather forecast for tomorrow in Florida is very bleak.
 
NYC stadium is being dismantled already. And the weather forecast for tomorrow in Florida is very bleak, don't see a game happening tomorrow with ground being underwater with the incessant rain
 
Mamoon said:
Thank you Amir for bowling the worst Super Over in history. The single biggest reason for Pakistan’s elimination.

You can’t concede 19 runs vs USA. This is what he came back for.

Happy retirement and don’t let the door hit you on the way out. You have let Pakistan cricket down once more.
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Take Rauf, Rizwan,Shahdab and Imad with you as well.
 
According to current forecast, there is heavy rain from 3 am to 8 am but no rain during game time tomorrow. All depends on how quickly they can dry the ground. I think we might yet see a 5 over game between USA and Ireland because with 90 minutes additional time and only about 50 minutes needed for a 5 over game, the cutoff time would be around 2 pm local time. If the forecast holds up, that would give the ground staff about 5-6 hrs to get the ground ready for a 5 over game.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
The door shouldn't be opened in this tournament, but the ICC should add a clause for future tournaments stating that games may be moved due to extreme weather conditions.
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though logistically, i don't think its practical to adjust for a major global tournament like this. its not like you just need to move 30 players and play the game. there is probably 150+ folks involved between the staff, media, facilities folks, etc that have to be there in advance of game to setup everything, also hotel /transport, maybe even notifications/arrangement with local city/police, security, etc.

tickets for fans is another item, though not as major impact.
 
mumtaz said:
According to current forecast, there is heavy rain from 3 am to 8 am but no rain during game time tomorrow. All depends on how quickly they can dry the ground. I think we might yet see a 5 over game between USA and Ireland because with 90 minutes additional time and only about 50 minutes needed for a 5 over game, the cutoff time would be around 2 pm local time. If the forecast holds up, that would give the ground staff about 5-6 hrs to get the ground ready for a 5 over game.
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i see zero chance of any game, with the kind of rain already happening and what is in forecast, there is no way ground will be in condition for play even if rain has break during entire game period. they don't declare emergency for the county just like that.
 
mon858 said:
though logistically, i don't think its practical to adjust for a major global tournament like this. its not like you just need to move 30 players and play the game. there is probably 150+ folks involved between the staff, media, facilities folks, etc that have to be there in advance of game to setup everything, also hotel /transport, maybe even notifications/arrangement with local city/police, security, etc.

tickets for fans is another item, though not as major impact.
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Major global tournament? This is a mickey mouse tournament and most people don't even know it's going on.
 
Flat_Track_Bully said:
Major global tournament? This is a mickey mouse tournament and most people don't even know it's going on.
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most people in US don't know about it, but in terms of the organization needed to set up an event like this on the day of event it takes weeks/months to prepare for it and engagement of 150+ people to make it happen. my point is you can't just move 30 players and say start playing. and it is a global tournament 20 counties represented, and 100s of millions of people following across the globe. doesn't matter that format is t20.
 
Mamoon said:
Amir came back because there were no leagues going around and the chance of a paid trip to the US + World Cup was too tempting to resist.

And he ended up bowling the worst Super Over in history to cost Pakistan a place in the Super 8. What a disgrace.
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Azhar Ali got it right isn't it?
 
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