Sussex vs Pakistanis | Tour Match | Hove | Jul 8th-10th, 2016 | Day 2

[sensible-indian-fan]

Zulfi ain't no darter.

He loops the ball.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

I don't know why...but I would fear Imran Khan Jr the most from the current Pak lineup.

Looks like a lulloo 90% of the time before he breaks your back when it matters (a la Steyn - not comparing those 2).

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Good fight back by the bowlers. I wouldn't start wahab for the first test its between imran khan and sohail khan

Mitchell Johnson has had a torrid time at Lord's so yea I wouldn't risk playing Wahab.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

I don't know why...but I would fear Imran Khan Jr the most from the current Pak lineup.

Looks like a lulloo 90% of the time before he breaks your back when it matters (a la Steyn - not comparing those 2).

Yea IK does take wickets. But like Wahab he is more effective with the older ball.

 

[Justcrazy]

Azhar should bowl more overs here , that would give him good practice

 

[Hasan123]

Mitchell Johnson has had a torrid time at Lord's so yea I wouldn't risk playing Wahab.

Johnson destroyed English batsmen the last summer in the Lords test. Johnson is thrice the bowler Wahab is. He has had ab,amla,smith,cook,root,KP dance and hope around in more than one match. Wahab will do that once every once in a while.

 

[Hasan123]

Azhar should bowl more overs here , that would give him good practice

Intikhab said azhar would bowl some overs so I don't know why he hasn't bowled any.

 

[#GreenRoars]

I don't know why...but I would fear Imran Khan Jr the most from the current Pak lineup.

Looks like a lulloo 90% of the time before he breaks your back when it matters (a la Steyn - not comparing those 2).

That's why he is very underrated because he looks like this. But this dude is good, especially with old ball.

Really want him in playing XI in first Test.

 

[Justcrazy]

Pakistan bowling has been disappointing , even this weak team is doing well

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Johnson destroyed English batsmen the last summer in the Lords test. Johnson is thrice the bowler Wahab is. He has had ab,amla,smith,cook,root,KP dance and hope around in more than one match. Wahab will do that once every once in a while.

Didn't even take a five for in an innings. But the thing is bowlers like these can have issues with line length on a Lord's track. Maybe it was in 2013 that he bowled a lot of wide deliveries or too short.

Wahab is a must for Old Trafford (bouncy track) though. Even on an Oval track you can get some reverse swing.

 

[yasir]

I agree, I'd play Wahab. He's an enforcer who can get you wickets with the old ball.

Would you play all 3 left armers though?

I don't think arm matters, variety and skill matters more.

With Wahab you get extra 10/15 clicks pace, good with old ball... Others are very average with skills and bowling in low 130s, pretty much nothing to offer...



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[Justcrazy]

Zulfi Baba has also looked ordinary so far

 

[Abdullah]

Aamir, Rahat & Sohail to play 1st Test - I think, they are preserving Rahat, otherwise PAK could have played 5 bowlers in this match.

It'll be really tough for PAK if Yadir has a bad day - day by day I am more convinced that PAK should play Iftekhar over one of the openers & manage the bowling load.

Get babar in to open. Cant do worse than hafeez and bkwls ofspin

 

[ads101]

Think we'll go with Amir, Rahat and Riaz. Management will opt for two experienced players and one inexperienced, it'll take off the pressure from Rahat. Riaz is quicker than the rest, and on his day devastating (e.g. the 2nd test against England in Dubai, Australian world cup etc.). Riaz has also had success last time in England when he played.

I'd however choose Imran instead. Has more control, done better in the test arena than Riaz. And looks to outperformed the rest today even if he wasn't fantastic.

 

[Pete Rose]

Think we'll go with Amir, Rahat and Riaz. Management will opt for two experienced players and one inexperienced, it'll take off the pressure from Rahat. Riaz is quicker than the rest, and on his day devastating (e.g. the 2nd test against England in Dubai, Australian world cup etc.). Riaz has also had success last time in England when he played.

I'd however choose Imran instead. Has more control, done better in the test arena than Riaz. And looks to outperformed the rest today even if he wasn't fantastic.

they wont go with three left armers. rahat and wahab tend to go off the reservation once in a while, but Rahat is still the better test bowler. Barring anything truly spectacular in this test match, it will be rahat, aamir, and imran

 

[Hasan123]

Didn't even take a five for in an innings. But the thing is bowlers like these can have issues with line length on a Lord's track. Maybe it was in 2013 that he bowled a lot of wide deliveries or too short.

Wahab is a must for Old Trafford (bouncy track) though. Even on an Oval track you can get some reverse swing.

Still caused them problems, he caused them more problems than Wahab will. Btw Mitchell Johnson didn't play in 2013 ashes.

I don't mind Wahab playing but I don't think he should start the 1st test.

 

[Pete Rose]

sussex have declared apparently. Good, more testing times for hafeez. Back against the wall time for Hafeez: always fails these situations with flying colors.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Lmao, did they just declare?

 

[Abdullah]

Tough tough call.

 

[Slog]

I don't know why...but I would fear Imran Khan Jr the most from the current Pak lineup.

Looks like a lulloo 90% of the time before he breaks your back when it matters (a la Steyn - not comparing those 2).

Imran Khan will be your biggest fan ever haha

Tbh Steyn doesn't look lulloo. Maybe in last year but before that he was almost always threatening

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Declaration??? Wth. it couldn't have been at our request because we have a whole day to bat tomorrow

 

[Justcrazy]

Sussex have declared !

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Imran Khan will be your biggest fan ever haha

Tbh Steyn doesn't look lulloo. Maybe in last year but before that he was almost always threatening

Steyn doesn't look lulloo mate. That was reserved for Imran Khan.

Steyn was always threatening in tests. But many a times, he would look predictable and kind of easy to play before he would explode and change the game fast.

 

[ads101]

they wont go with three left armers. rahat and wahab tend to go off the reservation once in a while, but Rahat is still the better test bowler. Barring anything truly spectacular in this test match, it will be rahat, aamir, and imran

We've never hesitated to go with three left armers before in Riaz, Junaid, Irfan. But agree I would rather have a variety too. I also feel Rahat and Riaz are both a bit spray gun too, I don't really like both playing. Plus based on past test record, Imran definitely deserves to play over Riaz.

But I think they'll pick Riaz. In the 3rd test against England, we played 2 fast bowlers and both Riaz and Rahat played. So no right armer. So don't think they're totally opposed playing all left arm attack.

 

[Justcrazy]

hafeez

 

[ads101]

Strange to declare so early but I guess it's good, need to get practice for our openers. And we can always declare early ourselves and then let our bowlers have another crack and facing their team.

 

[Pete Rose]

But I think they'll pick Riaz. In the 3rd test against England, we played 2 fast bowlers and both Riaz and Rahat played. So no right armer. So don't think they're totally opposed playing all left arm attack.

yes...wahab was wicketless in that match

 

[Pete Rose]

hafeez off to a flier, ten more runs to get to to expected tour average.

 

[The Last Of The Stars]

[MENTION=140009]The Last Of The Stars[/MENTION] I said we were playing a rubbish bowling line up in this game. Am I still biased?

Yes, Imran Khan came back with two wickets in two balls, was on a hat trick. Wahab Riaz made a decent come back as well.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Send Asad, Sarfaraz and Misbah up the order.

 

[Junaids]

We've never hesitated to go with three left armers before in Riaz, Junaid, Irfan. But agree I would rather have a variety too.

But I think they'll pick Riaz. In the 3rd test against England, we played 2 fast bowlers and both Riaz and Rahat played. So no right armer. So don't think they're totally opposed playing all left arm attack.

I don't think you understand.

The risk is that if you play three left-arm quicks, if you lose the toss you bat last on Day 5 against two off-spinners bowling into the rough that your three left-arm quicks have created.

It makes the toss crucial, and means that even if the pitch is green, if you win the toss you have to bat first.

So three lefties in a Test is just crazy.

 

[Muhammad10]

Good to see our openers last longer than five overs.

 

[Zaeem]

The professor putting his knowledge to good use. Avoid the guy getting people out by refusing to take a single and keep his partner down the other end.

 

[Anis10]

Harry Finch who scored a century played against Sami Aslam at under 19 level

Sami in those matches was the better batsmen, he was scoring runs in ease and it was his first time touring England

Now Sami sits on the bench and gets hate from our world class pakpassion experts

 

[Justcrazy]

Pakistan lead by 92 runs.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Hafeez still on the field. Impressive.

 

[MMHS]

Good gesture by Sussex - allowing PAK to bat as much as possible. May be Inti has requested an early declaration, so that MoHa gets another shot for longer period over 2 days.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Did azhar bowl medium pace or legspin?

 

[MMHS]

I must say - PAK is an UGLY batting side.

5 boundaries & one single in 1st 9 overs against those reserves & nothing else.

 

[Slog]

Harry Finch who scored a century played against Sami Aslam at under 19 level

Sami in those matches was the better batsmen, he was scoring runs in ease and it was his first time touring England

Now Sami sits on the bench and gets hate from our world class pakpassion experts

People improve and regress

And there's been matches where Akmal has given better performance than Kohli in same match

Does that make Akmal better?

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Good gesture by Sussex - allowing PAK to bat as much as possible. May be Inti has requested an early declaration, so that MoHa gets another shot for longer period over 2 days.

Both teams probably agreed to Pakistan declaring with 45-50 overs left to make a game out of it.

 

[Rafay Shafiq]

I don't think you understand.

The risk is that if you play three left-arm quicks, if you lose the toss you bat last on Day 5 against two off-spinners bowling into the rough that your three left-arm quicks have created.

It makes the toss crucial, and means that even if the pitch is green, if you win the toss you have to bat first.

So three lefties in a Test is just crazy.

Brilliant point.We never thought from this angle. Thx

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

11 overs bowled and no wicket yet

 

[Anfield]

I must say - PAK is an UGLY batting side.

5 boundaries & one single in 1st 9 overs against those reserves & nothing else.

Good they are not hitting boundaries but actually spending the time on the crease. Boundaries prove nothing other than playing too many shots against a second string attack. I don't want them to play in ODI mode but actually spend some quality time on the wicket. However I will do agree that they need to be more proactive in rotating the strike.

 

[MMHS]

Brilliant point.We never thought from this angle. Thx

I wrote it on my 1st post why 3 left-arm quicks are the least preferable option if you have a leggi & a left arm spinner with opponents having 4/5 lefties. What we can see, don't you think PAK management doesn't know? Problem is, who can drop Wahab? He is senior & once scared Watson with 155KM bouncer.

 

[MMHS]

Good they are not hitting boundaries but actually spending the time on the crease. Boundaries prove nothing other than playing too many shots against a second string attack. I don't want them to play in ODI mode but actually spend some quality time on the wicket. However I will do agree that they need to be more proactive in rotating the strike.

My point wasn't boundary - you never know what Jimmi can do, if he can shoot 6 overs straight to one batsman (in that case it won't be one -2, 3, 4 who knows)

 

[MMHS]

I wrote it on my 1st post why 3 left-arm quicks are the least preferable option if you have a leggi & a left arm spinner with opponents having 4/5 lefties. What we can see, don't you think PAK management doesn't know? Problem is, who can drop Wahab? He is senior & once scared Watson with 155KM bouncer.

I forgot to mention - and PAK might play with 6 right handers on 4th innings against Moeen, darting from over the wicket against wind.

 

[#GreenRoars]

So 12 overs and no wickets, which proves wicket is dead

 

[Hasan123]

Openers actually surviving for once

 

[Anfield]

My point wasn't boundary - you never know what Jimmi can do, if he can shoot 6 overs straight to one batsman (in that case it won't be one -2, 3, 4 who knows)

Good jimmy isn't playing then.

On a serious note, yes, like I mentioned they need to be proactive while rotating the strike.

 

[Junaids]

We've never hesitated to go with three left armers before in Riaz, Junaid, Irfan. But agree I would rather have a variety too. I also feel Rahat and Riaz are both a bit spray gun too, I don't really like both playing. Plus based on past test record, Imran definitely deserves to play over Riaz.

But I think they'll pick Riaz. In the 3rd test against England, we played 2 fast bowlers and both Riaz and Rahat played. So no right armer. So don't think they're totally opposed playing all left arm attack.

I wrote it on my 1st post why 3 left-arm quicks are the least preferable option if you have a leggi & a left arm spinner with opponents having 4/5 lefties. What we can see, don't you think PAK management doesn't know? Problem is, who can drop Wahab? He is senior & once scared Watson with 155KM bouncer.

Sohail Khan looks incapable of managing a Test workload. Imran Khan looks too slow and unable to find the right length, and can't bat.

It might be three lefties by default. Which would mean win the toss, bat first, bowl last, win.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Openers actually surviving for once

This has to practically be a highway for our openers to make it past 10 over mark

 

[Chief Destroyer]

I wrote it on my 1st post why 3 left-arm quicks are the least preferable option if you have a leggi & a left arm spinner with opponents having 4/5 lefties. What we can see, don't you think PAK management doesn't know? Problem is, who can drop Wahab? He is senior & once scared Watson with 155KM bouncer.

Hales, Root, Vince, Bairstow - 4 of their top 6 are righties. If Butler plays, another rightie.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Back to back for



Yup track's pretty dead !!!

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

and.........he's

Hafeez Goes

 

[Muhammad10]

hafeez off to a flier, ten more runs to get to to expected tour average.

Average achieved. Job well done.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

15 overs for future Pakistan Great. Well done.

 

[#GreenRoars]

and.........he's

Hafeez Goes

It was expected though.

 

[MMHS]

Hales, Root, Vince, Bairstow - 4 of their top 6 are righties. If Butler plays, another rightie.

That time Stokes was there - Josh is not selected, but you have to add Moeen, Balance & Berbi - that's Cook, Balance, Moeen in top 7, Berbi at 8 or 9.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

What's the point of sending Azhar? He's had plenty of time in the middle. Let Asad, Misbah and Sarfaraz bat. Seriously, do these guys even think before making a decision?

 

[MMHS]

Sussex has killed the last chance of Sami of getting a game in this Tour. If he gets a 50, both Misbah & MoHa would be left scratching head.

 

[Muhammad10]

Like I mentioned on another thread, I expect Shan to be more capable of playing gritty Azhar type of knocks (very important in these conditions) than Hafeez, who simply lacks the application and self-belief in these conditions under pressure. He is clearly out of his depth and not good enough to fight it out.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Well hafeez is fulfilling the expectations. How is he expected to succeed against broad and co.

 

[JibranAnsari]

The management needs to think over their plans , probably open with azhar and shan. Keep hafeez for number 6.

 

[Muhammad10]

What's the point of sending Azhar? He's had plenty of time in the middle. Let Asad, Misbah and Sarfaraz bat. Seriously, do these guys even think before making a decision?

This is Pakistan. We make our decisions on paper, not on the field.

 

[Hasan123]

This has to practically be a highway for our openers to make it past 10 over mark

Yes than the middle order will do the rest!

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Don't rate Shan too much but he has more than earned his place for the first 2 tests. Lol at those who want Sami Aslam over him at Lords

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Azhar has batted enough. Should've sent Misbah or Sarfraz. Maybe even Yasir and Amir after them

 

[MMHS]

Yes than the middle order will do the rest!

3-1 or 4-1 for the hosts? I give CR one piece of magic.

 

[in_cutter]

Why is useless Hafeez given opportunities time & time again? Looks like Sami will be warming the bench.

 

[#GreenRoars]

Why is useless Hafeez given opportunities time & time again? Looks like Sami will be warming the bench.

Because he is senior

 

[Hasan123]

3-1 or 4-1 for the hosts? I give CR one piece of magic.

In cloudy and swinging conditions it's 3/4-0 to England. On hot and flat decks it's a closer series which is difficult to call.

 

[MMHS]

In cloudy and swinging conditions it's 3/4-0 to England. On hot and flat decks it's a closer series which is difficult to call.

I am talking about the EURO Final

 

[JibranAnsari]

Hope azhar hasn't already scored his fill of runs for the tour.

 

[Hasan123]

I am talking about the EURO Final

Oh sorry.

2-0 to France bhai but I wouldn't rule out Portugal on the counter attack they can be devastating.

 

[Hasan123]

I was watching an interview Arthur did with cricinfo during today's game and he said Azhar got a slight telling off for making 26 for Somerset, he felt that he go in and Azhar should have gone on and Arthur made him aware of this. He has responded with 2 hundreds since. So Arthur having a little affect maybe? Good to see Azhar Ali took the message on board and responded with his bat and didn't cry like a baby like certain wannabe superstars would have.

 

[last_knight]

On another day.

Amir and Yasir aren't in Playing XI here.

Instead they Should plan for Shafiq/Sarfaraz to bat with tail and ask them to survive 30 overs or score 80 odd runs between them.

 

[troodon]

Looks like a flat track against a weak opposition.

At least some good practice for batsmen on both sides to bash trundlers.

 

[Pete Rose]

What's the point of sending Azhar? He's had plenty of time in the middle. Let Asad, Misbah and Sarfaraz bat. Seriously, do these guys even think before making a decision?

Might be considering opening with azhar and drafting in Rizwan or mukhtar in to middle order

 

[yasir]

Sohail Khan looks incapable of managing a Test workload. Imran Khan looks too slow and unable to find the right length, and can't bat.

It might be three lefties by default. Which would mean win the toss, bat first, bowl last, win.

England has taken notes, they will not make a wicket that is bat first, mostly it's not any way!!

Pakistan has not taken decent right arm bowlers on the tour. I am sure Inzi have not thought about the issue of playing three left arm bowlers and fourth innings, Moeen Ali will become Murli, he was never that bright [emoji43][emoji43][emoji43]

Away from home, you cannot play with too many ifs and buts.... There is Hafeez, then we have Misbah, long tail, three left arm bowlers, too many issues to deal with[emoji83][emoji83][emoji83]


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