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I disagree entirely. Trump knows exactly what he is doing. Most of it boils down to Syria. He has taken a position of not continuing the fight against Assad and Russia, going against 99.99% of D.C. Beltway. He is not saying this outright, and kind of danced around it in the debate, but in case you had not notice, the U.S. is desperate to initiate some kind of conflict against Russia as a pretext to escalate the fight against Assad in Syria.

CNN has basically become into RT.com for the White House now but even they are admitting this:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/12/politics/us-russia-tensions-cold-war/index.html

The amount of dirt that is being revealed from Clinton's emails is astounding. Trashing Evangelical Christians, blatant collusion with NYTimes...FOX is already talking about it and sooner or later the rest of MSM will be forced to bring this to the front. I feel if this Christian trashing gains traction, Clinton campaign is all but dead.

I also don't see how Trump is a narcissist. He comes across as genuine and real. Clinton is the one who is always rehearsed and fake.
Be very wary of discounting the "mainstream media".

The take home message of Brexit was that when 5 of the 8 national newspapers (with 80% of the readers) advocate a cause, it wins.

The only people who vote according to the guidance of Breitbart, the Drudge Report and Fox News are the ones who are already in Trump's camp. Floating voters are in the realm of ABC, CBS and NBC.

And there is no mainstream media conspiracy. The entire media in every other western country openly mocks the instability, ignorance and vanity of Trump. If anything, the American mainstream media affords him a level of respect and credibility that he has not earned.
 
Be very wary of discounting the "mainstream media".

The take home message of Brexit was that when 5 of the 8 national newspapers (with 80% of the readers) advocate a cause, it wins.

The only people who vote according to the guidance of Breitbart, the Drudge Report and Fox News are the ones who are already in Trump's camp. Floating voters are in the realm of ABC, CBS and NBC.

And there is no mainstream media conspiracy. The entire media in every other western country openly mocks the instability, ignorance and vanity of Trump. If anything, the American mainstream media affords him a level of respect and credibility that he has not earned.

Is that the same media that also published how good it would be for US to invade Iraq due to weapons of mass destruction and or liberate and spread democracy in Libya? If anything, AP, CNN, NYTIMES, WASHPO, Reuters have all been nothing but propaganda arms for the White House Hegemony. This was obvious from the way they were reporting the Syria situation where White House didn't do anything wrong, but even more so now. They've been found to be colluding with HRC in wikileaks, and now they've mysteriously found women who claim Trump groped them decades ago. Odd coincidence.
 
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Is that the same media that also published how good it would be for US to invade Iraq due to weapons of mass destruction and or liberate and spread democracy in Libya? If anything, AP, CNN, NYTIMES, WASHPO, Reuters have all been nothing but propaganda arms for the White House Hegemony. This was obvious from the way they were reporting the Syria situation where White House didn't do anything wrong, but even more so now. They've been found to be colluding with HRC in wikileaks, and now they've mysteriously found women who claim Trump groped them decades ago. Odd coincidence.

Trump is no better, he's worse. His been making everybody believe he's "anti-establishment" when is a tool of the same establishment, just a puppet employed as a diversion. Next time somebody makes legit criticisms of the white house they'll point to crazies like Trump & Alex Jones to discredit them. That's what the game is.
 
Is that the same media that also published how good it would be for US to invade Iraq due to weapons of mass destruction and or liberate and spread democracy in Libya? If anything, AP, CNN, NYTIMES, WASHPO, Reuters have all been nothing but propaganda arms for the White House Hegemony. This was obvious from the way they were reporting the Syria situation where White House didn't do anything wrong, but even more so now. They've been found to be colluding with HRC in wikileaks, and now they've mysteriously found women who claim Trump groped them decades ago. Odd coincidence.

That sounds a bit paranoid, my friend.

I don't like Hillary and if I was American I'd be a Romney/ McCain Republican.

But it is no conspiracy. It's exactly what happens in the UK each time a celebrity is outed as a paedophile: the publicity makes other victims come forward. But nobody lays charges at the time of the offence against someone who can crush them with legal fees.

I believe what Trump told Billy Bush. He is a sex pest who got away with it for years and could do so because accusing him would bankrupt a normal woman.

But the lid has been taken off this offending behaviour now, and a few of the victims are coming forward.

That's not a conspiracy, that's what happens whenever a celebrity sex offender gets outed.

These are minor offences, but it's still sexual assault. And it's certainly disqualifying for public office.

Remember, Bill Clinton was impeached - which means charged - but found not guilty on all the charges that Trump is trying to reheat. Having said that, the Lewinsky affair would make him unelectable now. But he's not running!
 
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Trump is no better, he's worse. His been making everybody believe he's "anti-establishment" when is a tool of the same establishment, just a puppet employed as a diversion. Next time somebody makes legit criticisms of the white house they'll point to crazies like Trump & Alex Jones to discredit them. That's what the game is.

Whatever dude. If he was establishment, media wouldn't be fighting and smearing him like their lives depended on it. The very fact that Bushes, Romneys and every major newspaper - even traditional Republican ones have all endorsed corrupt Clinton shows everything.

The only guy in D.C. today saying we should not fight Russia and Assad in Syria. Going against the entire ambition of White House since Cold war.
 
Whatever dude. If he was establishment, media wouldn't be fighting and smearing him like their lives depended on it. The very fact that Bushes, Romneys and every major newspaper - even traditional Republican ones have all endorsed corrupt Clinton shows everything.

The only guy in D.C. today saying we should not fight Russia and Assad in Syria. Going against the entire ambition of White House since Cold war.

That's what the game is. Trump is just a Character in this script like Carson, Clinton, Obama and the others. Everything is scripted by the deep state. The media is a tool. Trump is just doing his role, I'm certain he knew his name was going to be dragged through the dirt, it's a like being a heel in the WWE. This may sound conspiracy theory esque but I believe it's the truth. Trump won't go to jail for all the allegations of rape, harassment and tax evasion, once the election is over the media will be off his case. That's the deal.
 
That sounds a bit paranoid, my friend.

I don't like Hillary and if I was American I'd be a Romney/ McCain Republican.

But it is no conspiracy. It's exactly what happens in the UK each time a celebrity is outed as a paedophile: the publicity makes other victims come forward. But nobody lays charges at the time of the offence against someone who can crush them with legal fees.

I believe what Trump told Billy Bush. He is a sex pest who got away with it for years and could do so because accusing him would bankrupt a normal woman.

But the lid has been taken off this offending behaviour now, and a few of the victims are coming forward.

That's not a conspiracy, that's what happens whenever a celebrity sex offender gets outed.

These are minor offences, but it's still sexual assault. And it's certainly disqualifying for public office.

Remember, Bill Clinton was impeached - which means charged - but found not guilty on all the charges that Trump is trying to reheat. Having said that, the Lewinsky affair would make him unelectable now. But he's not running!


I don't think you are looking at this situation properly. Clinton Campaign got unelectable today due to Christian trashing. Even Paul Ryan has come back and slammed Hillary for it.

Under normal circumstances, yes I would believe you. I certainly would have believed those women if Trump was any celebrity. But on the final month of when he is running the most anti-establishment campaign this country has ever seen?

And they come out on the same day as the most hard hitting Wikileak dumps that pretty much bury the reputation of NYTimes and basically make Clinton Camp as religiously bigoted? Cmon. :danish
 
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That's what the game is. Trump is just a Character in this script like Carson, Clinton, Obama and the others. Everything is scripted by the deep state. The media is a tool. Trump is just doing his role, I'm certain he knew his name was going to be dragged through the dirt, it's a like being a heel in the WWE. This may sound conspiracy theory esque but I believe it's the truth. Trump won't go to jail for all the allegations of rape, harassment and tax evasion, once the election is over the media will be off his case. That's the deal.

This is some UFO conspiracy level tier stuff. But okay..
 
I don't think you are looking at this situation properly. Clinton Campaign got unelectable today due to Christian trashing. Even Paul Ryan has come back and slammed Hillary for it.

Under normal circumstances, yes I would believe you. I certainly would have believed those women if Trump was any celebrity. But on the final month of when he is running the most anti-establishment campaign this country has ever seen?

And they come out on the same day as the most hard hitting Wikileak dumps that pretty much bury the reputation of NYTimes and basically make Clinton Camp as religiously bigoted? Cmon. :danish

For the love of God, how naive and gullible can you be?! Nobody, not Trump, not Sanders not even Ron Paul can ever be called anti-establishment, you can't even make it on the national stage if you deviate from the plan of the the deep state. Anybody that says that they're "anti-establishment" is the most establishment-esque. The establishment is very clever, they employ actors like Trump & Sanders as diversions to further confuse the nation.
 
Dude Alex Jones sounds far more reasonable than your "reality is a dream" explanation of events.

Better than the foo who thinks Trump is "Anti-establishment, lol what a joke. Also kissing up to a white supremacist is just pathetic smh.
 
I don't think you are looking at this situation properly. Clinton Campaign got unelectable today due to Christian trashing. Even Paul Ryan has come back and slammed Hillary for it.

Under normal circumstances, yes I would believe you. I certainly would have believed those women if Trump was any celebrity. But on the final month of when he is running the most anti-establishment campaign this country has ever seen?

And they come out on the same day as the most hard hitting Wikileak dumps that pretty much bury the reputation of NYTimes and basically make Clinton Camp as religiously bigoted? Cmon. :danish

Well, I partly agree.

I think that Hillary is very competent but completely lacking in charisma, and too close to the big banking interests. And married to a liability. But that is nothing terrible. I wouldn't vote for her, but she's just a mediocre candidate for the party I don't support. The Benghazi and email stuff is just opportunistic nonsense by unscrupulous and desperate people on my side. Benghazi was a Pentagon mess, not a State Department one.

But I think that Trump is an embarrassing buffoon who has hijacked a decent and proud party he has no loyalty to. And he is not just a buffoon, he is a sex pest and has no principles: he is happy to drag our side of politics down into the gutter and split our party if he calculates that it might help him. He got this far because better Republican candidates thought they could manage him, and didn't legislate for the fervour of his ignorant supporters.

And he is no maverick from outside the establishment. He is the spoilt son of a multi-millionaire who has learned that money will let him get away with things that ordinary people can't get away with.

He is as establishment as it comes. I didn't invite and host the Clintons at my wedding. But Trump did.

Outsider indeed!
 
But I think that Trump is an embarrassing buffoon who has hijacked a decent and proud party he has no loyalty to. And he is not just a buffoon, he is a sex pest and has no principles: he is happy to drag our side of politics down into the gutter and split our party if he calculates that it might help him. He got this far because better Republican candidates thought they could manage him, and didn't legislate for the fervour of his ignorant supporters.

And he is no maverick from outside the establishment. He is the spoilt son of a multi-millionaire who has learned that money will let him get away with things that ordinary people can't get away with.

He is as establishment as it comes. I didn't invite and host the Clintons at my wedding. But Trump did.

Outsider indeed!


And you are basically basing your beliefs on the publications who are in the tank for Clinton. Its all gaslighting and you have no proof. NYTimes were smearing Trump on sex charges and were caught red handed lying:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...mes-trump-women-rowanne-brewer-lane/84435570/

Now we're supposed to believe them when their editor is caught in unethical journalism?

Trump made friends with Clinton sure. But it is clear Trump is USA's Brexit. Farage has not been helping him out for nothing.

Establishment indeed!
 
Its amazing [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] that you basically called millions of his core supporters ignorant. Clearly you know best. And understand the frustration of the southern and eastern beltway states hit hard by deals like NAFTA and outsourcing, which both Romney type Republicans and Democrats back. Where do you live again?
 
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Its amazing [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] that you basically called millions of his core supporters ignorant. Clearly you know best. And understand the frustration of the southern and eastern beltway states hit hard by deals like NAFTA and outsourcing, which both Romney type Republicans and Democrats back. Where do you live again?

My friend, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying.

Rust belt blue collar workers absolutely have a reason to support Bernie Sanders and be anti-Globalisation.

But Donald Trump is not their political saviour. He is a man who has outsourced everything that he possibly can. And the Republican Party that I support and that he somehow represents is an ardent supporter of free trade and Globalisation.

By the way, your comments about Hillary Clinton alienating Christians yesterday are way off beam too.

The Republican Party is the Party of the affluent, educated Northeast. WASPs like the Bush dynasty - and the P stands for Protestant.

A Clinton staffer wrote stupid and insulting words about Catholics. But just as (Republican) James Baker once commented that the "Jews" don't vote Republican, neither do Catholics.

Hispanic Catholics would have to be certifiable to vote for Trump.

Irish Catholics in Boston and New York are ultra-Democrat.

Italian Catholics in New York and elsewhere are also almost all Democrats.

So if you think our side is going to benefit from this admittedly mindless insult by a Democrat staffer, I suggest that you don't raise your hopes too high.
 
And you are basically basing your beliefs on the publications who are in the tank for Clinton. Its all gaslighting and you have no proof. NYTimes were smearing Trump on sex charges and were caught red handed lying:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...mes-trump-women-rowanne-brewer-lane/84435570/

Now we're supposed to believe them when their editor is caught in unethical journalism?

Trump made friends with Clinton sure. But it is clear Trump is USA's Brexit. Farage has not been helping him out for nothing.

Establishment indeed!

It wasn't Farage who caused Brexit. And he is just trying to advance his own profile and speech price currently.

Brexit occurred because millions of the poorest, least-educated Labour voters (plus me) voted for it because completely unlimited immigration from poor, backward EU Eastern European countries was reducing England to US-style low wages and poverty.

But that wasn't a Trump style revolution. It was a Bernie style revolution.
 
So much for Trump's lewd behaviour being "just words" - FIVE women have come out after the Trump tapes accusing Trump of sexual assault.

SICKENING how Trump abused a female reporter whilst his wife was pregnant.

https://nypost.com/2016/10/13/5-women-claim-they-were-sexually-assaulted-by-donald-trump/amp/

A deluge of sexual-misconduct allegations hit Donald Trump on Wednesday as five women came forward with claims that he groped, kissed or leered at them. The accusations came just days after the Republican candidate denied at Sunday’s presidential debate that he had ever groped anyone inappropriately.

Two women told The New York Times that Trump abused them. “He was like an octopus,” Jessica Leeds said. “His hands were everywhere.”

Leeds, now 74, said she was sitting in first class on a flight three decades ago when Trump grabbed her breasts and tried to put his hand up her skirt.

In a separate allegation, Rachel Crooks told the Times she was 22 years old and working at Trump Tower in 2005 when she shook hands with him, but he would not let go and then started to kiss her “directly on the mouth.”

“I was so upset that he thought I was so insignificant that he could do that,” she said. When confronted with the claims Wednesday, Trump threatened to sue the Times.

“You are a disgusting human being,” Trump said to the reporter who asked him for his reaction. “None of this ever took place.”

Trump’s lawyers also released a letter addressed to the Times late Wednesday that demanded they “cease further publication” of the article. But more allegations came Wednesday night.

People magazine writer Natasha Stoynoff posted a long first-person account about a December 2005 encounter with Trump while she was writing a Christmas feature on him and his then-pregnant wife, Melania, at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach, Fla.

Stoynoff said that after Melania left them, Trump took her to a room, pressed her against a wall and forced “his tongue down my throat.”


She wrote that she was stunned, but tried to continue the interview with Trump’s butler present. Then, when the butler left, Trump allegedly told her, “You know we’re going to have an affair, don’t you?”

“He also referenced the infamous cover of the New York Post during his affair with Marla Maples. ‘You remember,’ he said. ‘Best Sex I Ever Had,’ ” Stoynoff wrote.

In yet another claim, Mindy McGillivray, 36, told the Palm Beach Post that Trump groped her at Mar-a-Lago 13 years ago.

She said she was backstage at a Ray Charles concert when Trump grabbed her butt. He denied the claim to the Palm Beach Post and also threatened to sue that paper.

Also Wednesday, former Miss Washington Cassandra Searles claimed in a Facebook post that Trump groped her, according to Rolling Stone magazine.

“He probably doesn’t want me telling the story about that time he continually grabbed my *** and invited me to his hotel room,” Searles wrote.
This is a MUST read.
 
So much for Trump's lewd behaviour being "just words" - FIVE women have come out after the Trump tapes accusing Trump of sexual assault.

SICKENING how Trump abused a female reporter whilst his wife was pregnant.

https://nypost.com/2016/10/13/5-women-claim-they-were-sexually-assaulted-by-donald-trump/amp/


This is a MUST read.
What did you expect?

Trump confessed to multiple sexual assaults in the tape.

He then tried to refute responsibility by saying he was lying when he admitted to it. Which no one else would have the chutzpah to claim!

I can't stand Hillary Clinton, but Donald Trump must be the worst candidate in political history. It's terrifying that he has come this far.
 
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I am just surprised why is all this stuff coming out now. Did people just wake up to the fact that Trump was running for the Presidency. This whole thing was perfectly designed to get Hillary to the Whitehouse.
 
No Way Donald Trump is going to win. H. Clinton is way too good for him.
 
Unfortunately this week's Time magazine "Total Meltdown" cover is right on the money.

Trump is in the middle of the worst collapse in electoral history. And much of it is self-inflicted: all campaigns investigate potential scandals for their own candidate, yet it turns out that Trump banned his own staffers from doing so, which makes clear that he knew exactly what they would find.

I'm a Brit living in Australia, but I've been to the USA six times this year, and I identify as a centrist Republican sympathiser.

2008 and 2012 showed that we needed to move towards the centre and field Spanish-speaking candidates. But instead we have been infiltrated by Tea Party loonies. The Fox News / Breitbart / Drudge lunatic fringes.

Nobody will survive this. The Tea Party element plays purely to uneducated white rednecks, but they will blame Ryan and McCain for the defeat. Everyone is ruined now: tarred either as a Trump-enabler or a Trump-underminer.

Much of the problem comes down to the media networks listed above radicalising limited numbers of uneducated white voters into thinking that the Clintons are evil and that this year is a crucial battle for White America. It just isn't: like George H Bush I'd take a Clinton administration over a Trump one any time. I wouldn't like either one, but I'd be confident that I wasn't about to be blown up next time China criticises President Trump.
 
[MENTION=39633]Cracket[/MENTION] planning on to vote on November 28 bro?:))
 
shocking reports of violence, brutality and plain crookedness coming out of the hillary camp.
 
The alt-right getting desperate as they see the polls showing only two possibilities - either a Hillary Clinton win or a Hillary Clinton landslide :)) Jump off the Titanic before it hits the iceberg [MENTION=39633]Cracket[/MENTION] !

As for voter intimidation: Armed Trump Supporters Protest In Front Of Democrat’s Campaign Office

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/armed-donald-trump-supporters_us_580120b7e4b0e8c198a7f139

Also what a genius move by Donald - whining about how the election's going to be rigged, depressing your OWN turnout who'll think why bother voting !

For someone who's a "tough strongman leader" Donald sure does whine a lot.
 
The alt-right getting desperate as they see the polls showing only two possibilities - either a Hillary Clinton win or a Hillary Clinton landslide :)) Jump off the Titanic before it hits the iceberg [MENTION=39633]Cracket[/MENTION] !

As for voter intimidation: Armed Trump Supporters Protest In Front Of Democrat’s Campaign Office

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/armed-donald-trump-supporters_us_580120b7e4b0e8c198a7f139

Also what a genius move by Donald - whining about how the election's going to be rigged, depressing your OWN turnout who'll think why bother voting !

For someone who's a "tough strongman leader" Donald sure does whine a lot.

Tbf its a bit ironic to talk about intimidation considering Republican office's in NC were bombed a few days ago. No surprise not a lot of media attention. If it was Hillary's then there would be wall to wall coverage.

Secondly, the whining isnt going to depress supporters to the point that they wont bother voting. What it will do is have supporters be on the lookout for irregularities
 
This is for you [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY

Bet you feel stupid posting those Trump rally violence articles last year and calling his supporters Nazis..I'll leave it to Tomi Lahren to sum up my thoughts.

https://www.facebook.com/TomiLahren/videos/1108868735872979/

honestly speaking, quoting Tomi Lahren is a self defeating argument

chick is as brainless as they come. Total disregard for facts, makes false causalities and a parrot who couldn't survive without a teleprompter
 
Tbf its a bit ironic to talk about intimidation considering Republican office's in NC were bombed a few days ago. No surprise not a lot of media attention. If it was Hillary's then there would be wall to wall coverage.

Secondly, the whining isnt going to depress supporters to the point that they wont bother voting. What it will do is have supporters be on the lookout for irregularities

Both incidents should be condemned, but I won't take lectures from Trump supporters about voter intimidation given how Donald himself has incited violence at rallies, including twice hinting at the ASSASSINATION of Hillary Clinton.

As clear a dog-whistle to those hothead Second Amendment gun nuts who have a history of acting on such rhetoric (Gabby Giffords).
 
This has banged on twitter

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Both incidents should be condemned, but I won't take lectures from Trump supporters about voter intimidation given how Donald himself has incited violence at rallies, including twice hinting at the ASSASSINATION of Hillary Clinton.

As clear a dog-whistle to those hothead Second Amendment gun nuts who have a history of acting on such rhetoric (Gabby Giffords).



Heads are already rolling. Two people fired from DNC for inciting violence at Trump rallies. MSM is playing hush hush.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ose-jobs-after-undercover-video-comments.html

Absolutely deplorable, disgusting, treacherous and completely anti-democracy. This is the party Markhor is proud to back. Sad!
 
Trump shouldn't even bother coming at "debates". He hardly said anything sound during the last two. Every time he opens his mouth he ends up spouting non sense.
 
Best Prepared Trump turned up in the 3rd debate. But is it enough and too late to wipe out the 10% deficit to Hillary?
 
I don't think Trump did enough to bring media/clinton corruption to the front. He also kept interrupting Hillary (though Crooked also interrupted The Don several times).

I think Trump won the debate overall on two points:

1) Fantastic answer on Syria situation. We need to stop fighting Assad, and stop fueling the rebels who we can't vet. This at least leads to end of the bloody "civil" war. Hillary's stance is same old neocon regime change with continued aggression towards Russia.

2) He managed to bring some attention to the Project Veritas videos where contractors and employees of DNC admit to inciting violence in Trump rallies and the media for 1 whole year, including liberals like Markhor continued blaming only Trump for it.
 
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Trump: "It is terrible at the 9th month of the baby, if you can get the baby, rip the baby out of the mother's womb just before the birth of the baby"
 
Unfortunately this week's Time magazine "Total Meltdown" cover is right on the money.

Trump is in the middle of the worst collapse in electoral history. And much of it is self-inflicted: all campaigns investigate potential scandals for their own candidate, yet it turns out that Trump banned his own staffers from doing so, which makes clear that he knew exactly what they would find.

I'm a Brit living in Australia, but I've been to the USA six times this year, and I identify as a centrist Republican sympathiser.

2008 and 2012 showed that we needed to move towards the centre and field Spanish-speaking candidates. But instead we have been infiltrated by Tea Party loonies. The Fox News / Breitbart / Drudge lunatic fringes.

Nobody will survive this. The Tea Party element plays purely to uneducated white rednecks, but they will blame Ryan and McCain for the defeat. Everyone is ruined now: tarred either as a Trump-enabler or a Trump-underminer.

Much of the problem comes down to the media networks listed above radicalising limited numbers of uneducated white voters into thinking that the Clintons are evil and that this year is a crucial battle for White America. It just isn't: like George H Bush I'd take a Clinton administration over a Trump one any time. I wouldn't like either one, but I'd be confident that I wasn't about to be blown up next time China criticises President Trump.

I concur on all counts. Clinton would not be my pick as Dem candidate, but in a straight race with Trump she is the only sane option.
 
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Don't understand the Indian support for Trump,looks like the worst clown ever,Hilary is on a similar boat but she is not going to be controlling any house so yeah nothing will happen.
[MENTION=39633]Cracket[/MENTION] aren't you a Sikh ,no idea why you would support a racist man whose supporters could be as ignorant as to find no difference between a Sikh or an Afghan.
 
Its amazing [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] that you basically called millions of his core supporters ignorant. Clearly you know best. And understand the frustration of the southern and eastern beltway states hit hard by deals like NAFTA and outsourcing, which both Romney type Republicans and Democrats back. Where do you live again?

Republican base is a big problem with that party. Hilary Clinton is/was not a strong candidate, they let Trump Hijack the party primaries, he is neither republican nor conservative, he makes couple of flashy racist slogans and they fall for it. He is/was a junk candidate, probably the worst I have even seen in US election history, base has lot to do with him getting this far. What are their values?? - religion, racism, guns, none of that stuff appeal to anybody other than illiterates and will not make America Great or build economy... Republican party need serious make over and fresh ideas, its going nowhere ATM...
 
The grave has been prepared, the tombstone marked - all is required is for on November 8th is to lower the coffin carrying Donald Trump's political career.

The most devastating line in the debate was: "While you were on Celebrity Apprentice, we were busy getting Bin Laden" - by the end of it Trump sounded like a broken man. But what was most damaging was that Trump simply did not look like a President and leader of the free world.

Yes I disagree with Hillary on numerous issues and the way she conducts her politics, but at least I know she's done her homework. Trump hasn't a clue about the complex social, political and economic issues facing America let alone the rest of the world. As soon as Hillary talked about the sectarian dynamics of Mosul and Iraq, Trump looked like a dumbfounded schoolkid :))

One Trump quote summed up how totally devoid this man is on substance of policy - "We're gonna do a lot for college tuition" - what the heck does that mean ?! No specifics whatsoever. He wants the status of office without doing the work of office.

Now even Roger Ailes has left the sinking Titanic after Trump wouldn't even focus during debate prep !

Farewell not-so-sweet prince.

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Indeed. Game over and he knows it.
 
Republican party will split into two after this election. Seeds were planted when tea party movement started after Obama's election in 08. Now all the fox-news loving, conspiracy theory believing, white christian low income predominantely males will split off from the main republican party. Ultimately paves the way for several years of democrats running the US. That's my prediction after all this is over.

Only thing Trump has said this whole time is that legal immigration to the US is too hard which is 100% true.
 
Can't believe that people fell for the Trump crap. How on earth did anyone even imagine that this guy would end up winning the elections and becoming President of the US.

His say it as he sees it, making controversial media whorish statements and clueless demeanour was going to eventually get old, i kept telling people that he was peaking too soon and in an election that is never good at all.

I compare this to the Canadian Election in 2015. In August and even early September 2015, no one believed that Justin Trudeau was going to even win the election, heck no one even knew him at all. But the conservatives were so unpopular at the end, the minorities, Muslims, South Asians all just united together and did everything they could do drive the conservatives out of Office and Trudeau cashed in on it big time and peaked at the right time to stream roll the conservatives, new democrats and win a sweeping majority.

It is not surprising to see Trump totally lost for ideas now, nothing of the same is working any more and lol Clinton even told him frankly at the dinner "Time for you to work with me after the election".
 
Republican party will split into two after this election. Seeds were planted when tea party movement started after Obama's election in 08. Now all the fox-news loving, conspiracy theory believing, white christian low income predominantely males will split off from the main republican party. Ultimately paves the way for several years of democrats running the US. That's my prediction after all this is over.

Only thing Trump has said this whole time is that legal immigration to the US is too hard which is 100% true.

He has said more than a few things that are right . Illegal immigration is an issue when you got 11 mil of them . Legal immigration is really slow , Hillary did delete those e-mail .She does have a public and private opinion , she is very cozy with wall street and big donors. Her track record is for Wars . Super predator was passed by her husband . Bill clinton is also responsible for the 2008 crash because he weakened the glass steagall act . Benghazi and ISIS were a **** up . Washington is very corrupt . Problem is that Trump himself is a racist ,xenophobic bully and will probably start wars at a whim . So pick lesser evil i guess.
 
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wow one of my tweets today got 'liked' by Roseanne Barr

I was a bit starstruck for a minute then found out she is pro-Trump :-p
 
Huffington Post journalist writes to Clinton Camp on how to "slaughter Trump":

http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/24/h...s-clinton-campaign-on-how-to-slaughter-trump/

Email: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/25651

That's good, sooner it's clarified the better, and the stronger the better. Re the Trump ISIS video, if we don't have the proof campaign should assign 100 people to look for it ASAP, there is probably something on tape somewhere.

p.s. On the UN last week, support it yes, but be careful. I love Kerry like a bro' and support him always as HRC should and does. But be careful about the U.N., support but don't go too far. Putin did not agree to anything about removing Assad and continues to bomb the people we support. We pushed the same position in 2012 (Geneva 1, which HRC knows all about) and Geneva 2 in 2014.

Odds that Putin agrees to remove Assad are only slightly better than the odds the College of Cardinals chooses me to someday succeed Pope Francis. Best approach is to slaughter Donald for his bromance with Putin, but not go too far betting on Putin re Syria. Brent

See how it all really ties up with Foreign policy in Syria? U.S. desperately wants Assad out of power, even if they have to create no-fly zone for it. Trump disagrees with that, and the corrupt media's strategy was to hammer Trump on his "bromance" with Putin and propaganda ISIS stuff.
 
Just voted for Hillary, went against my conscience but didn't see the point in voting for a third party candidate that doesn't have a chance at winning. Perhaps I should've abstained as one vote doesn't matter the way the system is designed, anyhow Clinton got my vote, I'm little disgusted with myself but had to do my part to stop the Donald.
 
Clinton Adviser: Deploy "Brown and Women" pundits to shame journalists.

http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/wikileaks-clinton-aide-says-deploy-brown-women-pundits/


When Hillary Clinton’s coverage in The New York Times wasn’t going the way the campaign wanted, Clinton ally Neera Tanden advised campaign Chairman John Podesta to gather the “brown and women” pundits to shame The Times with pro-Hillary columns.

The revelation was made in a July 2015 email released by WikiLeaks on Wednesday.

Email in question:
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/31954

He also thinks the brown and women pundits can shame the times and
others on social media.


That's what colored..or brown people (like us) are to these democrat folks. Identity politics. Most racist of all while pretending to be for minorities. Least they could do is refer to us by something other than our skin color.
 
Clinton Corruption now out in the open.

WSJ - Grifters In Chief

http://www.wsj.com/articles/grifters-in-chief-1477610771

In an election season that has been full of surprises, let’s hope the electorate understands that there is at least one thing of which it can be certain: A Hillary Clinton presidency will be built, from the ground up, on self-dealing, crony favors, and an utter disregard for the law.

This isn’t a guess. It is spelled out, in black and white, in the latest bombshell revelation from WikiLeaks. It comes in the form of a memo written in 2011 by longtime Clinton errand boy Doug Band, who for years worked simultaneously at the Clinton Foundation and at the head of his lucrative consulting business, Teneo.

It is astonishingly detailed proof that the Clintons do not draw any lines between their “charitable” work, their political activity, their government jobs or (and most important) their personal enrichment. Every other American is expected to keep these pursuits separate, as required by tax law, anticorruption law and campaign-finance law. For the Clintons, it is all one and the same—the rules be damned.

The memo came near the end of a 2011 review by law firm Simpson Thacher & Bartlett into Clinton Foundation practices. Chelsea Clinton had grown concerned about the audacious mixing of public and private, and the review was designed to ensure that the foundation didn’t lose its charitable tax status. Mr. Band, Teneo boss and epicenter of what he calls “ Bill Clinton, Inc.,” clearly felt under assault and was eager to brag up the ways in which his business had concurrently benefited the foundation, Clinton political causes and the Clinton bank account. The memoed result is a remarkably candid look at the sleazy inner workings of the Clinton grifters-in-chief.

The cross-pollination is flagrant, and Mr. Band gives example after example of how it works. He and his partner Declan Kelly (a Hillary Clinton fundraiser whom Mrs. Clinton rewarded by making him the State Department’s special envoy to Northern Ireland) buttered up their clients with special visits to Bill’s home and tête-à-tête golf rounds with the former president. They then “cultivated” these marks ( Coca-Cola, Dow Chemical, UBS) for foundation dollars, and then again for high-dollar Bill Clinton speeches and other business payouts.

.....


Here’s the lasting takeaway: The Clintons spent their White House years explaining endless sleazy financial deals, and even capping their exit with a scandal over whether Bill was paid to pardon financier Marc Rich. They know the risks. And yet they geared up the foundation and these seedy practices even as Mrs. Clinton was making her first bid for the presidency. They continued them as she sat as secretary of state. They continue them still, as she nears the White House.

This is how the Clintons operate. They don’t change. Any one who pulls the lever for Mrs. Clinton takes responsibility for setting up the nation for all the blatant corruption that will follow.

FT - https://www.ft.com/content/7411f946-9c5b-11e6-8324-be63473ce146

Daily revelations from a top campaign aide’s stolen emails are frustrating Hillary Clinton’s attempts to make closing arguments and guard her lead over Republican Donald Trump in the waning days of the 2016 presidential election.

WikiLeaks organisation has been releasing daily batches of emails pilfered from the account of John Podesta, the chairman of the Clinton campaign and a former White House chief of staff, that reveal the sometimes fractious inner workings of the former secretary of state’s campaign.

The emails reveal the overlap between the Clintons’ charitable foundation, Mrs Clinton’s work as secretary of state and her husband’s for-profit speechmaking. At the centre of the latest controversy is Doug Band, president of the consultancy Teneo Holdings, who filled multiple roles as an aide to the former president. Republicans have accused Mr Band of acting as the ringleader of a “pay-for-play” operation that solicited foundation donations from companies that were also pressed to hire the ex-president for paid speeches.


WSJ - The Cold Clinton Reality

http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-cold-clinton-reality-1477608696

Top 100 revelations from Podesta emails so far. You won't see the MSM report on these..as they themselves are implicated in corruption with Clinton campaign. :inti

http://www.mostdamagingwikileaks.com/
 
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Its quite shocking and laughable that despite having the massive backing of US media (print, tv, youtube etc) Hillary Clinton still cannot pull away from Trump. The closer we get to the election day the more clear it becomes how corrupt the Clintons really are. Despite what media are saying this will be a very tight election and Trump might even pull it off.
 
ABC, CBS, NBC have devoted more minutes to Clinton emails this year than all policy issues combined according to a study by Andrew Tyndall.

So let's stop whining about the "evil and biased MSM" and focus on their REAL problem. That is their utter failure to discuss policy issues like poverty, income inequality, climate change and police reform.
 
I gotta hand it to you Markhor. Sometimes you are genuinely funny.

What's funny is reading Trump supporters fume about evil MSM because they weren't complaining when the same MSM gave Trump BILLIONS of dollars of free media in the primaries and helped fuel the rise of Trump.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-has-gotten-nearly-3-billion-in-free-advertising-2016-05-06

Bernie Sanders got a FRACTION of the coverage. If anyone has a legitimate gripe with the MSM its Sanders. Now yes, MSM should cover Clinton's Wikileaks more but when Trump is caught bragging about sexual assault on tape and a dozen women come out accusing him of groping them without consent you expect that not to be covered ?!

The problem is the media doesn't have a right or left wing bias - but a CORPORATE bias. They never criticised how the Bush tax breaks for the 1% blew a hole in the budget deficit because they ARE the 1%. They never talk about the military industrial complex because General Electric bankrolls their station.

They won't discuss the broken US campaign finance system because they BENEFIT from that broken system and make massive amounts of money from advertising.
 
How DARE Hillary Clinton get questions in advance from a reporter....she should take a lead from Donald Trump who NEVER EVER asks for questions in advance, right [MENTION=39633]Cracket[/MENTION] ?

Oops.

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/tr...er-unless-she-gives-him-questions-in-advance/

Republican nominee Donald Trump made a campaign stop in St. Augustine, Florida on Monday where he conveniently dodged an one-on-one interview with a tough local reporter, Florida Politics reports.

Action News Jax reporter Jenna Bourne had set up a one-on-one interview with Trump on Monday following his rally, but the campaign refused to meet with Bourne after she declined to send them a list of questions.

Rather than sending a full list of questions, Bourne, after consulting Action News Jax, sent the campaign a few general ideas, which included “Marco Rubio, diplomacy in the White House, Hispanic Florida voters and Refugees.”

The irony is not lost. Trump has been on a crusade over the last two weeks after a WikiLeaks leak revealed that interim DNC chair Donna Brazile provided Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton with the exact wording of one question ahead of a town hall event.

Of course, the Republican nominee responded to the information in the best way he knows how: on Twitter, and at his rallies. He took to Twitter and said, “Why didn’t Hillary Clinton announce that she was inappropriately given the debate questions – she secretly used them! Crooked Hillary.”

During a campaign stop in Delaware, Ohio last week, Trump said to his supporters, “Can you imagine if I got the questions?They would call for the reestablishment of the electric chair.”

It seems, then, that the only time that anyone should receive questions in advance is when Trump is faced with an interview with a tough female reporter.


The Trump campaign reportedly “ghosted” Bourne — meaning they cancelled the interview with little to no notice — who said they told her the interview had either never been scheduled or that a “decision hadn’t been made” about whether to schedule one in the first place.
 
New email leaks show DNC Head Donna Brazile giving more CNN questions to Clinton before the debates. CNN sever ties with Donna Brazile.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presi...ile-completely-uncomfortable-what-we-learned/

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...lary_why_she_didnt_turn_in_donna_brazile.html

I'm note sure if CNN is exactly innocent here themselves.

just read about this. honestly this story should be getting more coverage than anything else that has happened so far. this is just brazen corruption. has anybody ever cheated on the debate in this manner in the history of politics. i hope people stop saying that hillary is a better debater from now on.
 
this explains it much better. this is the type of politics u see in a third world country

 

is this what hillary meant when she prepared for the debates? i can't believe she didn't do better even when she had all the questions beforehand.
 
Trump is the devil you know.

Hilary is as shady as they come, on the other hand.
 
It's funny going back and reading the previous pages of the thread where we discussed who won the debates. Trump never had a chance lol.
 
New polls show that Trump is ahead by a mere point, while other polls give Clinton a slight lead. Goes to show that its going to be a slug-fest going into Tuesday. America really needs a legit third party, they might get some support this year, but still got a long way to go.
 
Some people who've called it correctly before now saying Trump will win.

For those who followed Brexit polling it all looks familiar. A lot of 'shy Trump' fans just like there were 'shy Brexiteers'

No love for Trump but Hilary was a pathetic candidate and the DNC should have gone with Sanders as the only candidate who could actually beat Trump in the anti-Establishment race

I'm shocked and repulsed by the white media/Hilary sense of entitlement
 
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Some people who've called it correctly before now saying Trump will win.

For those who followed Brexit polling it all looks familiar. A lot of 'shy Trump' fans just like there were 'shy Brexiteers'

No love for Trump but Hilary was a pathetic candidate and the DNC should have gone with Sanders as the only candidate who could actually beat Trump in the anti-Establishment race

I'm shocked and repulsed by the white media/Hilary sense of entitlement

Let's hope their pollsters isn't as useless as ours.

Nate Silver of FiveThirtyEight has Clinton's chance of winning narrowing from 85 to 75% but she's still up nationally 49-44 over Trump.
 
Nate Silver is meant to be one of the best but I think even his models are backwards looking and don't take into account non-voters coming out en masse. That is the danger that Trump's anti-Establishment stand will draw out the vote from those who previously would not have voted so there is no reliable data on how they can swing things.

Even Nate seems to be getting a bit windy

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Trump is starting to look quite competitive in this. Gonna be a messy night on Tuesday. Maybe Clinton to just about win on a swing state.
 
Some people who've called it correctly before now saying Trump will win.

For those who followed Brexit polling it all looks familiar. A lot of 'shy Trump' fans just like there were 'shy Brexiteers'

No love for Trump but Hilary was a pathetic candidate and the DNC should have gone with Sanders as the only candidate who could actually beat Trump in the anti-Establishment race

I'm shocked and repulsed by the white media/Hilary sense of entitlement

I'm of the opinion that a Trump win is needed for the same reason Brexit was needed. Until they've had their day in the sun, there will always be resentment among the type of people who hark back to the past, and they need to show what genuine alternatives they have to offer. Britain is facing a sea change, now it's America's turn. Although I'm not sure the President ever really holds any real power in the US regardless of what party he/she is from.
 
True to some extent that there should normally be checks and balances in terms of President Executive capacity vs the Houses (Senate/Congress) and the Supreme Court. Unfortunately Trump would likely have a Republican House and could also appoint Right Wing judges to skew SCOTUS. Very crucial election from that point of view.
 
For those who followed Brexit polling it all looks familiar. A lot of 'shy Trump' fans just like there were 'shy Brexiteers'

This was also true of people who said they would vote Lab or Lib in 1992 and then in 2015 but voted Tory.
 
early voting might end up costing trump tho. the tide has definitely turned but it'll be hard for trump to make up for the republicans that already voted for hillary after the 'grabbed her by the *****' comment.
 
Trump is starting to look quite competitive in this. Gonna be a messy night on Tuesday. Maybe Clinton to just about win on a swing state.

If she wins Colorado, Pennsylvania and Virginia then she can still win without Ohio and Florida.

However her support is soft because she's such a vulnerable, scandal-ridden politician with tons of baggage. The Democratic establishment picked the wrong horse. Joe Biden could've walked this.

This isn't going to be the landslide predicted after the Trump tapes. The Comey letter has been deeply damaging. It'll be razor thin.
 
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Polling will show NC/FL/NV as lean blue, but I think these states will go to Trump.

With AZ, GA already in his pocket, he will further need to swing a blue state red to win. NH, CO, PA, VA could be one of those states (and Trump is personally betting on NH as he will be holding his final rallies there on Monday/Tuesday).

Its an uphill climb for Trump (as for any Republican), but Clinton has turned out to be an extremely dislikeable politician herself. Most of the vote for her stems from NeverTrump base more than a vote for her.
 
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True to some extent that there should normally be checks and balances in terms of President Executive capacity vs the Houses (Senate/Congress) and the Supreme Court. Unfortunately Trump would likely have a Republican House and could also appoint Right Wing judges to skew SCOTUS. Very crucial election from that point of view.

I agree, I think it would be interesting though to see the level of backing for a President Trump in the House given that anything between 17% and 50% of prominent Republicans (depending on which article one reads & when) have allegedly rejected him as a candidate.

Another factor similar to Brexit here: 18-35 voters are backing Hilary 60-40 whereas 65+ voters are backing Teh Donald 72-28. And, as we know, anonymous quickfire polling is one thing, but the older the voter demographic the more likely they are to actually turn up and formally scribble in the box when push comes to shove. This could have a big impact on the day.
 
I'm of the opinion that a Trump win is needed for the same reason Brexit was needed. Until they've had their day in the sun, there will always be resentment among the type of people who hark back to the past, and they need to show what genuine alternatives they have to offer. Britain is facing a sea change, now it's America's turn. Although I'm not sure the President ever really holds any real power in the US regardless of what party he/she is from.


I agree completely. I'm anxious at the prospect of Trump becoming President but on the other hand, if that's what the majority wants, so be it.
 
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