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I'm keeping up with this thread with the sole purpose of seeing you crash and burn here 

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I was reading this , thought it might be interesting for some people around here!
She weeps for a dead man, who departed with honor:
But he that still lives has more need of her tears.
STrange ! She weeps for one who died an easy natural death.
And she has no pity for him whom she tortures in despair. - (Ibn Hazm)
(Ibn Hazm)
I'm keeping up with this thread with the sole purpose of seeing you crash and burn here![]()
Good observation and I can't argue against it, but I don't see any issue with her that I might not like in the future.Ok, I have a little bit different view reg this.
Personally Mamoon, I think you are going about this in a completely wrong way.
There are 2 issues here:
1. Reg your views about marriage
2. Reg how you want to approach this situation
Reg your views about marriage
I get your point of view. You will asked be about your marriage preferences at 24 and you want to marry someone with whom you are already comfortable with and if you could know her very well a year or 2 beforehand, that would be the best thing.
But you see, there is a small problem here. Your age is just 22. I know you are very mature and analytical for your age but every person goes through a personal transformation where their views, outlook towards life changes considerably (and this is a continual development as they grow). Its like there are stages that a man goes through with each stages lasting for several years.
Now at 22, you are just a few years out of your teens.
Maybe you know exactly want in life but maybe that's just an illusion as there may be some drastic changes as you grow a few years older.
Could be, can't count this possibility out. Many love marriages have failed because expectations from a GF and wife aren't the same.The problem with analytical people is that they become supremely confident of their views and they 100% believe they know exactly what they want and a great major level trasnformation hits them (where they move on to the next stage), they will find it really hard to ignore their new views especially if those views are in direct contradiction to the old ones.
Now you may believe that your views at 22 will always be consistent for the near future (and it may be true) but its a huge risk to assume that as odds are it won't be. And when it isn't, things can get messy if you make major life decisions looking at the world from your old lens.
What views am I talking about?
One example is the topic we are discussing here. The views about your marriage as in whom you want to marry, is it good to go ahead with it with your cousin, etc.
The assured way in which in which you are talking about marriage, whom you want to marry and stuff is GREAT actually (cos there is nothing wrong with planning as its very important) but at the same time, its important that you don't dive headfirst into decisions which may not allow you to have change of views later on.
Something to think about.
Having a crush and living life together with someone as different as chalk and cheese (no matter how strong your crush may be - matching interests don't mean much in the large scheme of things - you need more data to even consider someone as the right person).
Reg how you want to approach this situation
What you need to do is very simple. But its ain't easy.
Do you have friends (who are not drop dead handsome) who are great with the ladies?
Guys who can get girls to open up to them, confess their secrets to them (not like a friendzoned guy), get them to talk to them for hours and hours?
Guys whom girls find attractive (irrespective of his looks)?
Watching those guys in ACTION will teach you a lot. Talking to girls and creating chemistry (with good consistency) is a skill just like any skill. Some are born with it. Some develop it via observation and modelling. Some guys can actually articulate what they are doing but many can't. Many just naturally know what to do or they instinctively pick up how to do it from others.
That's why OBSERVING them gives you crystal clear data.
Woah, that's as detailed and well organized an explanation one can come up with. I have a weakness and its my tongue.So here's they usually do:
1. They start a simple short conversation with a girl. The topic is usually from the current setting. A simple question or a simple hilarious comment or just a normal comment to get the conversation started. No pick up lines.
2. They don't go specifically go for some deep subject or try hard to find a matching interest (most guys do that as its easy to keep a conversation flowing when you latch on to a favorable conversation mover). The problem with it is that there is no chemistry created and once the topic dies out awkwardness sets in.
3. They don't go for an interview style questioning which freaks out girls. They make statements (just like what you do Mamoon in PP and get people all riled up) and the conversation moves on from there. A guy is who is good at this can talk to a girl for 10 minutes without even going into the what did you study, where do you work kinda stuff. Those are boring nonsense.
4. The key to what they do is they NEVER let a topic dictate the flow of a conversation. Sure they do use the power of matching interests (to build rapport) but they don't hang on to those conservation movers as if their life depends on it. The focus is NOT on the topic but on the interaction taking place. That's why these people keep the mood light and engage in simple banters, quick witted statements, etc that naturally lets a conversation FLOW on its own.
5. These guys usually let the other person do a lot of talking while controlling where the conversation is going (like making sure the conversation doesn't get too technical or boring or argumentative in a serious way).
6. They make the whole interaction is meant to be light and fun which makes it easier for girls to become comfortable. They don't agree on everything but at the same time, they don't turn the conversation into intense logical argument. They channel their different viewpoints in a fun way that keeps the conversation interesting.
Remember, unless a girl is comfortable in your presence, she won't open up and it would be very hard for any chemistry to develop. And whether we guys like it or not, creating chemistry and fun conversation is OUR onus. Not the girls. Unless the girl already has a huge crush on a guy.
7. They then get the girls number and they continue talking to them via phone, personal meeting and chat which then naturally leads to other things.
I have some friends who are a PRO at this. I never even bothered to watch their actions all these years. Recently when I was studying behavioral patterns of men and women (not official science stuff) and started observing others including my friends, things became very very clear.
So you just need to:
Step 1 - Start a conversation using something from the current setting.
Step 2 - Keep it fun. Or try to as much as possible. Basically, make her comfortable.
Step 3 - Try to continue that conversation via other channels later on (most preferable is phone).
Also I think you are putting pressure on yourself (on a subconscious level) if you look at her as someone you want to marry. Just look at her as any other girl you would want to date and things would be much more smoother.
Actually now u would come across as weird because u chatted with ur other female cousins but did not with her and just kept having eye contact with her.
I think she kinda knows u fancy her.
I answered a question of her indirectly because it wasn't directed at me.![]()
As expected nothing happened. :adnan
She was looking gorgeous. Wore brown color clothes with sky blue work on the shirt and piping on the borders.
Wore light blue bracelet and blue flats.
Thankfully, got rid of the purple nail-paint. Not to mention I was looking like a Greek god too.
The younger generation sat in the other room, the girls gossiped the guys played FIFA. I quite beastly at it and won 2 out of 3 games, lost the one because I tried to woo her and attempted punched above my weight by trying some fancy stuff which isn't my forte.![]()
I kept glancing at her and we had eye contact a couple of times (that eyes, like a Persian cat). One of the girls asked us boys a question regarding some stuff and obviously I was gonna be the one to answer first so used that opportunity to join in the conversation with the girls. I didn't speak to her directly but it was a sort of a mutual discussion. She has a clear sweet voice and smells great too.
Then we had dinner which was served earlier than I expected. Quite a feast though. I was standing near the table on which the cold drinks were placed and I was filling one for myself and she came over and wanted to get one. For a moment, I thought I should hand her over my glass as courtesy but then hesitated.
After dinner, she left early because her Dad had to go leave for Lahore early in the morning and I went to see them off to the gate. His Mum and Dad talked to me for a bit and then I said a mutual goodbye to all of them.
With a heavy heart, I got back inside and we left like 10 minutes later.
Absolutely no progress in terms of giving her a hint that I fancy her and neither did I get a hint that she likes me. All I managed was to talk to her indirectly, that's it.
Looks like I am gonna lose out on her. I am moving at a snail's pace.
Another one bites the dust.![]()
I have terrible sense of humor, can't even make a clown laugh.
Not handing the glass was a costly strategic error.
Just imagine, you hand it to her like a valiant, chivalrous, knight in shining armor. As she's accepting it, your fingers graze hers. That would've been something. Girls don't easily forget that.
Better yet, she wanted diet coke and you had filled the glass with regular coke. She says so, and you quickly fill another glass with the diet coke, and she says thanks and a conversation begins.
I know I am trundling.![]()
I like them a tad cushioned.![]()
- she liked someone else at the time when I confessed her my feelings in 2011 so I had no chance. She was not interested, plain and simple. She couldn't look past him and it took her years to get over him.UP, it would be great of you could provide us a bit of detail upon the following questions/topics:
- the girl's response to your explicit profession of love (as much detail as you can comfortably state).
- the nature of your conversation with the girl (including content, frequency, intensity).
- what you feel is her perception of you.
- what her overall nature is (preferences, hobbies, etc).
I'm in the same boat of Mamoon's but I spoke my mind with my cousin a long time ago that I fancy her and I still fancy her. She used to like someone else (our cousin) but he ditched her two years ago. We live in different countries and we meet in person years apart. I will probably see her in 2015's summer in a wedding.
The predicament is we are very close and text everyday but I can't score a home run.
blinding light, Kayal and other girls: do I stand a chance if we meet in person?
I have been texting her since 2011 and not a day I got bored of her and vice versa. We maintain a healthy balance of texting and our chemistry backs that. I can find a girl wherever I prefer.Why would you want to get in a relation with the girl whom you would see after years? Texting, Ph, skype, etc are all fine in the beginning but it gets repetitive and boring. Find a girl where you live.
I'm in the same boat of Mamoon's but I spoke my mind with my cousin a long time ago that I fancy her and I still fancy her. She used to like someone else (our cousin) but he ditched her two years ago. We live in different countries and we meet in person years apart. I will probably see her in 2015's summer in a wedding.
The predicament is we are very close and text everyday but I can't score a home run.
blinding light, Kayal and other girls: do I stand a chance if we meet in person?
I have terrible sense of humor, can't even make a clown laugh.
Girls love humour and do fancy guys who have a very good humour sense. But when it comes to marriage,nobody wants to marry a 'clown'.
Actually,i liked the way you didn't offer her the cool drink.![]()
Girls love humour and do fancy guys who have a very good humour sense. But when it comes to marriage,nobody wants to marry a 'clown'.
Actually,i liked the way you didn't offer her the cool drink.![]()
Make it singular. Most of the girls are sensitive. They can't understand the difference between humor and serious. You dare to make a humor about a girl's looks and outfits even in a complimentary manner, she won't talk to you for a week and would be concerned and worried about it the whole time.
Really i thought he lost a golden opportunity to talk to that girl..
Make it singular. Most of the girls are sensitive. They can't understand the difference between humor and serious. You dare to make a humor about a girl's looks and outfits even in a complimentary manner, she won't talk to you for a week and would be concerned and worried about it the whole time.
Girls love humour and do fancy guys who have a very good humour sense. But when it comes to marriage,nobody wants to marry a 'clown'.
Actually,i liked the way you didn't offer her the cool drink.![]()
- she liked someone else at the time when I confessed her my feelings in 2011 so I had no chance. She was not interested, plain and simple. She couldn't look past him and it took her years to get over him.
- our conversations are more intended towards schooling, life in general, she takes my advice when in need, etc (frequency: normally everyday in good length, intensity: good - she is a quick texter and gets into the convo. I usually wait for her to text first and it normally works)
- her perception of me is a very good one. I have built a very positive relationship with her over the years but I want to go all the way and I feel she is not interested at all. She has expressed those three magical words to me 'I love you' quite a few times including on this Valentine's day (not in the way I want, I feel.). And I didn't repeat them back on each occasion. She thought of me as a brother before we knew each other but I feel I have changed that feeling of her of me. We have met three times (averagely a week long) when I was in my teens and once when I was 21. I'm 24 now and she is 22.
- her nature: caring, a lovely girl, a genuinely nice person. Preferences: she wants a good married life with a nice family. She isn't much into hobbies as far as I know. Ever since I have known her properly since March 2011 - her university life has dominated her. She takes unnecessarily too much stress in her uni life.
Unlike Mamoon,you have already done all the groundwork here. Now it's time to make her realise how you genuinely feel for her. So,be a man and make the move when you see her next time.
Texting,skype etc will not built that intensity unless you are sure about your relationship. And never give her brotherly care. That would be disastrous.
Good luck UP bhai. Hoping for the best result.![]()
.Really? I think that would have been very coy (with the propensity to ignite a flurry of varying emotions within Potential Bhabi [PB in short]) had he done that AFTER having a small conversation or two before that.
Imagine: this guy playing it cool yet still mild enough to make light comments, have a direct convo.. And suddenly, he refuses to give up his drink up for her (throw in a quizzical look with a raised eyebrow for max effect)..
I mean, if done right, it'd probably hit a chord somewhere inside PB, me thinks
As far as I know,he never talked to her directly and hesitated to hand over the drinks. I think he don't have the guts to face her directly or talk to her. I would advice him to first text her and remove that awkwardness first.
Pretty much what I was going to say. But dare I say it would be appropriate to maybe broach this topic on your text convo before, in an extremely subtle way, before unloading it all in person?
I mean, sure it would give her some breathing space to sort it all out.. Would make the situtation in the shaadi less do or die.. what do you say, girls?
True. Give her small hints like Qazzarfan's pickup line ''oh babe,you are a bomb''..
[I'll probably reply back later - have 2 consecutive finals coming up. Pray for me, all!]
Don't worry BL, you will pass with flying colours.
I am also preparing for my exams...![]()
Mamoon,I just got online to see what happened with my brother and you are still not online.I left my studies because my curiosity was sky-high and couldn't control myself.![]()
Actually it show's on my screen that he is online![]()
I didn't speak to her directly but it was a sort of a mutual discussion. She has a clear sweet voice and smells great too.....
Well, if you want her to be your better half, then you have to do better than that!
Stalk her more if you have to, but the next time you meet, try and have a conversation. Even if its something like, "I'm gonna go get myself a glass of water, should I get you one too?"
Ooooh!
What is weird here?
Talking to me?
He's my first cousin, that's what's weird.
Refer to the cousin marriages thread, read my post. I hope that gives you an idea.![]()
Mamoon has been missing for a while so I think it only reasonable to assume the girl's brother has found this thread and beat him within an inch of his life.
#satisfied![]()
What's up with all these ''cousin love'' guys?? Think out of the box.
@Mamoon:- You should make a twitter account with a random name and start following her. You should try to have a chat and you may build a decent relationship. You should never reveal your identity, though.
After some progress, we will discuss about the next step.
lolHahaha Haz95 that was hilarious!
Mamoon has been missing for a while so I think it only reasonable to assume the girl's brother has found this thread and beat him within an inch of his life.
#satisfied![]()
I thought he already has twitter and follows her?