The Kumar Sangakkara Mega thread

[shean1990]

even if Thiri struggles in next 5 Test matches to get a 20, still SL will still not dump him from the squad..everyone in SL cricket knows how good he is

 

[Haz95]

Thirimanne is a quality player and he is way better than Asanka.Also he is better than what Sanga was at 24.Don`t be a fool and rate young batman based on 2,3 bas bad inns..

Ask from anyone who plays/works with SL cricketers..Thiri has the talent and discipline to be good as Sanga/Mahela...Chandimal is no different.And we have couple of good young batsman coming through the ranks as well.In fact SL won`t have a problem in finding batsmen..The issue for SL is fast bowlers.

) lol Thiri is a poor mans rohit sharma...1 or 2 100s against an out of form pak attack big whoop ...Apart from Mathews who's a very good batsman, there's nobody for the future who SL can rely on. Chandimal is far too inconsistent

 

[PlanetPakistan]

He has been the best cricketer of the last 15 years! He is obviously a world class batsman but also a very fine keeper!

 

[leatherface58]

Shean reminds me of a young Ranjit Fernando.

 

[Mamoon]

I can understand that insecure Pakistani fans are reluctant to call him an ATG because we have produced only one ATG batsman and Sangakkara is miles better than Inzamam, Yousuf and Younis, but the way Indians underrate him is really in poor taste.

Whether he's the greatest left handed Test batsman ever is very much debatable, but he has been an ATG long before people even started to talk about it.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

The way Sanga is going, we Indians have to accept that there is a SOLID GOOD chance that he will overtake Sachin's overall run aggregate.

I would call Sanga ATG but I wouldn't go as far as calling him greatest left hander (when Lara and Sobers stake a claim to it).

 

[Jo_Don]

Graeme Pollock? Short career but surely has to be up there too...

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Graeme Pollock? Short career but surely has to be up there too...

Yup. He is rated incredibly high.

One of the best lefties.

Unfortunately, his sample size is too low for solid comparison.

 

[Mainul]

If Sanga plays 200 tests like Sachin i think some Indians here in PP will surely commit suicide out of jealousy.Because Sanga will score at least 1500 runs more than Sachin at that stage.But i think he is not so selfish like Sachin to continue only for records at such an old age when grandpas spends time with grandsons

 

[Saqs]

Longevity is extremely underrated on this forum. It ain't a fluke that Sachin played as many games as he did. Yet people on here hold it against him.

 

[Adil_94]

I can understand that insecure Pakistani fans are reluctant to call him an ATG because we have produced only one ATG batsman and Sangakkara is miles better than Inzamam, Yousuf and Younis, but the way Indians underrate him is really in poor taste.

Whether he's the greatest left handed Test batsman ever is very much debatable, but he has been an ATG long before people even started to talk about it.

most Pakistani fans on here are praising Sanga and calling him an ATG and not one has said Inzi Moyo and YK are better than him or even compared Sanga to them. his biggest critics and detractors not only on here but on other cricket sites are Indians for whatever reason
maybe coz of that article that said Sanga was statistically the best since Bradman :Sachin. Sanga has given Pakistan the biggest Phainta over the years so we rate him a lot more than other countries fans. but hey don't let that stop you from bashing everything regarding Pakistani cricket and its fans.

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[Saqs]

I can understand that insecure Pakistani fans are reluctant to call him an ATG because we have produced only one ATG batsman and Sangakkara is miles better than Inzamam, Yousuf and Younis, but the way Indians underrate him is really in poor taste.

Whether he's the greatest left handed Test batsman ever is very much debatable, but he has been an ATG long before people even started to talk about it.

Dude you sound more and more like an apologist every day. Give it up.

Nobody on this forum thinks Yousuf or Younis are better than Sanga. Atleast nobody of merit has said it as far as I'm aware.

 

[shean1990]

) lol Thiri is a poor mans rohit sharma...1 or 2 100s against an out of form pak attack big whoop ...Apart from Mathews who's a very good batsman, there's nobody for the future who SL can rely on. Chandimal is far too inconsistent

lol

keep dreaming

I m sure you started praising Mathews only after his recent success ..before that I am sure you threw same insults you throw at thiri and chandi , at Mathews , like most other armchair experts here !

Go and talk to anyone who works with SL cricket and see if they worry about batting talent in SL !

 

[tempus123]

I think Sanga is the best batsman ever in the history of the game.. frightening prospect that he can only improve from here .. anything less than 20k runs will be an underachievement.

 

[Mamoon]

That's not my point. This insecurity is natural because we have produced very few great batsmen. It's not about whether anyone considers them better than Sangakkara.

I have seen people call Inzamam a better batsman than Tendulkar though, so the underrating of Sangakkara doesn't surprise me.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Imagine if Sanga got to play 5 Test matches against England now?

 

[Haz95]

lol

keep dreaming

I m sure you started praising Mathews only after his recent success ..before that I am sure you threw same insults you throw at thiri and chandi , at Mathews , like most other armchair experts here !

Go and talk to anyone who works with SL cricket and see if they worry about batting talent in SL !

Well if someone can score back to back 100s in England, I would rate them regardless....before that he was a lad who couldn't convert 50s to 100s and was selfish. And why you getting so insecure? Who's gonna be the man? Silva's looking good I suppose and well thats it. Chandimal is 'talented' yet is a banglabasher- if he scores 100s like Mathews does in testin conditions(likewise with thirimanne), I'll rate him.
And I'm not worrying about SLs batting talent, I'm simply stating my opinion and just cos you disagree doesn't mean you need to start being a douche about it.

 

[Adil_94]

That's not my point. This insecurity is natural because we have produced very few great batsmen. It's not about whether anyone considers them better than Sangakkara.

I have seen people call Inzamam a better batsman than Tendulkar though, so the underrating of Sangakkara doesn't surprise me.

Look most Pakistani fans are praising Sanga a lot and saying he is an ATG. We aren't insecure about a Lankan Batsman going past our greats. We have a friendly rivalry with them. The Pakistan fans that say that Inzi is better are either deluded or just want to get under the skin of the Sachin fan cult and annoy them. tbh from what ive seen most of the insecurity is coming from Indian fans a lot of which dont rate Sanga at all despite his superb record.

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[Mamoon]

I touched upon the Indian insecurity as well. Sangakkara is an ATG without question. Whether he's the best LH batsman of all time is seriously up for debate and I think he isn't yet but its shameful how various sections refuse to consider him an ATG because of their agendas.

 

[Feroz Rawther]

Imagine if Sanga got to play 5 Test matches against England now?

we have to think about this in a much broader perspective.not denying Sanga played really great.but that doesn't mean it is sensible to think about ' what could have happend' etc etc? if so can't we think his 79 in this Leeds test was because of sheer luck.before 28 he was given certain life 2 times...those chances are not even normal dropped catches.that enabled him to add further 52 runs more.and i am sure you wouldn't have thought in these 'what could have' lines in Sanga's previous SAF tour.Also this 'what could have' can be applied to any batsman who played well in a particular series.

 

[Feroz Rawther]

If Sanga plays 200 tests like Sachin i think some Indians here in PP will surely commit suicide out of jealousy.Because Sanga will score at least 1500 runs more than Sachin at that stage.But i think he is not so selfish like Sachin to continue only for records at such an old age when grandpas spends time with grandsons

Sachin still is in front of Sanga by some distance. more over if Sanga plays 200 tests and maintain his high standards , i would call him a superman because for that he need to play more than 17 tests a year.also i suppose there is no matter of suicide because after all it is only about a game of cricket.w.r.t suicide, did you hear any reports of that in Bangladesh because of cricket?

 

[tauseef_mahmood]

I still like brian lara better .... But no doubt he is up there among best batsmen of all time.

 

[Mainul]

Sachin still is in front of Sanga by some distance. more over if Sanga plays 200 tests and maintain his high standards , i would call him a superman because for that he need to play more than 17 tests a year.also i suppose there is no matter of suicide because after all it is only about a game of cricket.w.r.t suicide, did you hear any reports of that in Bangladesh because of cricket?

News published by Reuters:

Indian cricket fan commits suicide after defeat


Kolkata: A cricket fan committed suicide while another died of a heart attack in India after watching their national team's crushing defeat to Sri Lanka in the World Cup match in the Caribbean, police said on Sunday.

 

[cricketjoshila]

If Sanga plays 200 tests like Sachin i think some Indians here in PP will surely commit suicide out of jealousy.Because Sanga will score at least 1500 runs more than Sachin at that stage.But i think he is not so selfish like Sachin to continue only for records at such an old age when grandpas spends time with grandsons

Are you jealous because SRT has more test runs than the entire Bangladeshi population put together?

 

[EC666]

Sangas has 11493 test runs
Sangs has 9141 test runs if we omit all those games vs Zim and Bangla

21 percent of Sangs runs have come vs minnows.

This doesn't take into account all his low/slow pitch, subcontinent runs.

 

[Feroz Rawther]

News published by Reuters:

Indian cricket fan commits suicide after defeat


Kolkata: A cricket fan committed suicide while another died of a heart attack in India after watching their national team's crushing defeat to Sri Lanka in the World Cup match in the Caribbean, police said on Sunday.

he still is a bengali to be serious it some times happens

 

[Mainul]

Sangas has 11493 test runs
Sangs has 9141 test runs if we omit all those games vs Zim and Bangla

21 percent of Sangs runs have come vs minnows.

This doesn't take into account all his low/slow pitch, subcontinent runs.

SRT scored 1738 runs vs these 2 teams.Not so little, is it?

SRT played a lot of matches on flat roads in sub continent, more than Sanga

 

[Mainul]

Are you jealous because SRT has more test runs than the entire Bangladeshi population put together?

Ha ha-sarcasm? SRT couldn't surpass my mahalla or gally's population.How can i become jealous of SRT? Our highest run getter in test cricket has score of 3026!
But i am enjoying the jealousy of the Indians about Sangakara

 

[cricketjoshila]

Ha ha-sarcasm? SRT couldn't surpass my mahalla or gally's population.How can i become jealous of SRT? Our highest run getter in test cricket has score of 3026!

Are you out of your mind?What are you talking?

But i am enjoying the jealousy of the Indians about Sangakara

Yes the country which has produced Gavaskar/Tendulkar/Dravid and co. are jealous of FTB Sanga.LOL.

 

[cricketjoshila]

SRT scored 1738 runs vs these 2 teams.Not so little, is it?

SRT played a lot of matches on flat roads in sub continent, more than Sanga

Zimbabwe were a pretty good team in early 2000s.

SRT has scored only 11% of his runs againist minnows like Bangladesh.

And SRT doesnt avg less than 40 in any country,let me know when Sangakkara achieves that.

Not to mention the quality of bowling Sachin faced and the pitches of 90s.

 

[Mainul]

Zimbabwe were a pretty good team in early 2000s.

SRT has scored only 11% of his runs againist minnows like Bangladesh.

And SRT doesnt avg less than 40 in any country,let me know when Sangakkara achieves that.

Not to mention the quality of bowling Sachin faced and the pitches of 90s.

This is not a thread to compare between Sachin vs Sanga.It is a thread on all time best left handed batsman.I noticed that most Indian always ultimately puts SRT into everything.You have made SRT a very cheap and a overhyped character

 

[cricketjoshila]

If Sanga plays 200 tests like Sachin i think some Indians here in PP will surely commit suicide out of jealousy.Because Sanga will score at least 1500 runs more than Sachin at that stage.But i think he is not so selfish like Sachin to continue only for records at such an old age when grandpas spends time with grandsons

This is not a thread to compare between Sachin vs Sanga.It is a thread on all time best left handed batsman.I noticed that most Indian always ultimately puts SRT into everything.You have made SRT a very cheap and a overhyped character

I believe the above post to which i replied was by an Indian?

Over Hyped?How exactly?

 

[Mainul]

Are you jealous because SRT has more test runs than the entire Bangladeshi population put together?

Ha ha-sarcasm? SRT couldn't surpass my mahalla or gally's population.How can i become jealous of SRT? Our highest run getter in test cricket has score of 3026!
But i am enjoying the jealousy of the Indians about Sangakara

Are you out of your mind?What are you talking?

Yes the country which has produced Gavaskar/Tendulkar/Dravid and co. are jealous of FTB Sanga.LOL.

Bangladesh's population is more than 170 million and my mahalla's (means locality) is more than 20000.Still will you say SRT has surpassed that?

There is no way of getting jealous of SRT for a Bangladeshi as no Bangladeshi player's stat is even near to him.He is an ATG. That's why i was referring to 3026.Now got my point proud SRT fan?

Lastly if you dont recognize and give credit to a hero of another country, who is an asset to world cricket, then no one will give to your's

 

[cricketjoshila]

Bangladesh's population is more than 170 million and my mahalla's (means locality) is more than 20000.Still will you say SRT has surpassed that?

Do you have difficulty in understanding what i have stated?Read again.

Are you jealous because SRT has more test runs than the entire Bangladeshi population put together?

Understood?

There is no way of getting jealous of SRT for a Bangladeshi as no Bangladeshi player's stat is even near to him.He is an ATG. That's why i was referring to 3026.Now got my point proud SRT fan?

Which is why you hide behind a Lankan player to take shots at Indians.

Lastly if you dont recognize and give credit to a hero of another country, who is an asset to world cricket, then no one will give to your's

There are enough ATGs in world cricket that i recognise and give credit to.But cant do that with an FTB/minnow basher.

 

[zulfiqar]

Sanga is a class act and ATG by default, thanks to his massive amount of runs. How he ranks in history will probably be decided when he retires. But if he continues to play like this till the end of his days (which usually doesn't end up happening), then perhaps he will. Him and Steyn out of the current group of players stick out as those who might surpass many people's best player lists IF they continue playing at such high standards.

 

[thivaakar]

This is not a thread to compare between Sachin vs Sanga.It is a thread on all time best left handed batsman.I noticed that most Indian always ultimately puts SRT into everything.You have made SRT a very cheap and a overhyped character

I even created a thread letting people know, these people are ruining the reputation of Sachin, even on Cricinfo pages, these little amateur Indians are truly annoying, now every time I see Indian team, it reminds me of all those brainless trolls, thus making me hate the Indian team which have done nothing to me personally lol.

 

[thivaakar]

Man helped SL win T20........thats all i have to say.

 

[Aman]

I even created a thread letting people know, these people are ruining the reputation of Sachin, even on Cricinfo pages, these little amateur Indians are truly annoying, now every time I see Indian team, it reminds me of all those brainless trolls, thus making me hate the Indian team which have done nothing to me personally lol.

It's hard to hate but Indian fans make it really easy at times.

 

[tempus123]

It's hard to hate but Indian fans make it really easy at times.

You can expect a thread dedicated to a bowler, filled with posts of why that bowler is not greater than

 

[SL_Fan]

Do you have difficulty in understanding what i have stated?Read again.



Understood?



Which is why you hide behind a Lankan player to take shots at Indians.



There are enough ATGs in world cricket that i recognise and give credit to.But cant do that with an FTB/minnow basher.

Insecure much? You should be the last one to call others out. All you do is talk rubbish. Hilarious tho always good to have a laugh at!

 

[Feroz Rawther]

I even created a thread letting people know, these people are ruining the reputation of Sachin, even on Cricinfo pages, these little amateur Indians are truly annoying, now every time I see Indian team, it reminds me of all those brainless trolls, thus making me hate the Indian team which have done nothing to me personally lol.

from what i have gathered after going thru all these various cricket sites, i feel that more often than not
SRT is dragged unnecessarily into discussions which are not at all related to him.Ofcourse when the topic is w.r.t any batting factor he naturally comes into picture.even there i have seen him getting belittled with out any sense. quite naturally SRT supporters are forced to defend their hero on such occassions.so what are you saying? aren't they supposed to defend him? so firstly he is dragged into unnecessarily discussions. secondly even if the topic is w.r.t him, he is belittled with no logic at all.is that ok? so in such cases isn't it the instigator who is to be blamed? yes healthy criticism of SRT is understandable.but when he is bashed with out any sense it is quite natural that his supporters defend him.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Insecure much? You should be the last one to call others out. All you do is talk rubbish. Hilarious tho always good to have a laugh at!

Lankan calling someone who doesnt rate a Sanga as rubbish.Poor people literally begging for attention and recognition for their FTBs.

 

[Aman]

Lankan calling someone who doesnt rate a Sanga as rubbish.Poor people literally begging for attention and recognition for their FTBs.

lol Sanga a FTB

 

[cricketjoshila]

lol Sanga a FTB

Has failed in 3 out of 4 countries.

 

[Aman]

Has failed in 3 out of 4 countries.

He'll rightfully correct that record and over take Sachin.

So deal with it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

He'll rightfully correct that record and over take Sachin.

So deal with it.

Let that happen and then we will talk about it.He is now not even in the same block as Sachin.Not even close few posters saying otherwise on PP doesnt change thats a truth.Deal with that.

 

[Mainul]

I even created a thread letting people know, these people are ruining the reputation of Sachin, even on Cricinfo pages, these little amateur Indians are truly annoying, now every time I see Indian team, it reminds me of all those brainless trolls, thus making me hate the Indian team which have done nothing to me personally lol.

Ha ha ha.Summer heat has got into you i reckon.Crazy fans always tends to be enthusiastic about and exaggerate the ability of their favorite players.There is no crime in that.But everything should have a limit.And what annoyes me about those Indians (some, not all.There are many Indian sensible fans also)-they always underestimate other grates from different countries in very objectionable language and attitude.They dont understand that ultimately they let down their own heroes by showing disrespect to others.Calling SRT cricket god and trying to put him above Bradman is another stupid thing

 

[thivaakar]

Let that happen and then we will talk about it.He is now not even in the same block as Sachin.Not even close few posters saying otherwise on PP doesnt change thats a truth.Deal with that.

You know that he has now turned into a monster now a days and probably more skilled than Sachin was ever at the moment. Sanga the pre 2011 era and Sanga the Post 2011 era isn't the same.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You know that he has now turned into a monster now a days and probably more skilled than Sachin was ever at the moment. Sanga the pre 2011 era and Sanga the Post 2011 era isn't the same.

Another Joke.Sanga more skilled than Sachin.

Have a look at the bowlers Sachin scored againist and Sanga is scoring againist.

Bashing Zim and Ban or scoring againist the weakest Pak attack in decades or scoring 1 century in Eng doesnt make anyone more skillful than someone who has scored runs againist 2ws Akhtar lee Gillespie Warne Mcgrath Murali Donald Pollock Steyn Ambrose walsh and co.

There is only one ATG bowler in the world today and we know what Sanga does when he goes to face him in SA.

Lankans and handful of Pakistanis can believe that Sanga is better than SRT.The fact is he is way below SRT or Lara or Ponting or Kallis or Dravid of the modern era.

 

[giri26]

I would rate Gilly and Lara to be the best Left Hand batsmen in tests from the players I have seen.

 

[Sakss]

I would rate Gilly and Lara to be the best Left Hand batsmen in tests from the players I have seen.

Gilly ahead of Sanga..?? Lara I agree but Gilly is not way ahead of Sanga.

 

[giri26]

Gilly ahead of Sanga..?? Lara I agree but Gilly is not way ahead of Sanga.

We cannot just look at the averages to determine the impact of Gilly. I agree that Gilly played in a star studded batting line up but he has played some blinders during his time. I will not go into the match winning ability debate as I understand one person cannot determine the win or loss for his team. Gilly and Sanga are different sort of players but I still remember lots of times when Gilly would go all out attack and pull his team out of trouble...I remember a test match against SA in SA when Australia were 7 or 8 wickets down under 200 and he launched a brilliant counterattack with just the tailenders to support him and got them to 370 or something. That was one of the most exhilarating batting performance I have seen from any player...His innings in the Mumbai test of 2001 also comes to mind. On a pitch turning square along with Hayden he launched a great counterattack to get their team to 300+ from 90 odd for 5....He was capable of playing such innings. Since he came down the order you cannot say that he can afford to play such innings because of their great batting line up as most of his counterattacks were when his teams famed batting line up had failed.

He is an impact player and for him to be so aggressive and still average close to 48 is phenomenal achievement. Also he scored all his test runs at an amazing SR of 82. I would rate him just behind Lara in tests in the last 15-20 years only, no matter how many runs Sanga score or how high he averages.

 

[Mainul]

Another Joke.Sanga more skilled than Sachin.

Have a look at the bowlers Sachin scored againist and Sanga is scoring againist.

Bashing Zim and Ban or scoring againist the weakest Pak attack in decades or scoring 1 century in Eng doesnt make anyone more skillful than someone who has scored runs againist 2ws Akhtar lee Gillespie Warne Mcgrath Murali Donald Pollock Steyn Ambrose walsh and co.

There is only one ATG bowler in the world today and we know what Sanga does when he goes to face him in SA.

Lankans and handful of Pakistanis can believe that Sanga is better than SRT.The fact is he is way below SRT or Lara or Ponting or Kallis or Dravid of the modern era.

Disagree 100%.Sangakkara made his debut in 2000 and he faced Waqar,Wasim,Saqlain,Shoib Akhter,Kaneria from Pakistan Pollok,Ntini from SA, Mcgrath,Warne,Gillespie,Lee from Australia, Kumble from India.They are all great bowlers,many of them ATG.You have to deduce those 'easy' runs scored against them by SRT from his stat if you are a honest cricket fan to stand beside your words.But i know that like many blind Indian SRT,Dravid fans you wont and like a broken disc you will again and again repeat that Sanga is FTB, ordinary etc.How it is possible to score 11500 runs by minnow bashing? isn't it a ridiculous statement?

If Sangakara is not great and ATG then SRT, Dravid all are out of that list

 

[Eht]

Let his career finish, then this discussion can be concluded.

 

[Buffet]

Disagree 100%.Sangakkara made his debut in 2000 and he faced Waqar,Wasim,Saqlain,Shoib Akhter,Kaneria from Pakistan Pollok,Ntini from SA, Mcgrath,Warne,Gillespie,Lee from Australia, Kumble from India.They are all great bowlers,many of them ATG.

Not debating if he is great here but this notion of Sanga facing all those listed great bowlers and scoring runs is not true.

Let's take some names you have listed from Pakistan,

Zero tests against Wasim.
Zero Tess against Saqlain
1 test against Waqar when he was on his last leg.

Let's see how he did when he came up against in match where either Warne, McGrath or Gillespie played,

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...er_involve=2286;template=results;type=batting

Let's see how he did against Indian name you listed,

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...yer_involve=1973;template=results;type=battin


He scored runs against Pollock and Ntini for sure but listing Kaneria/Lee when talking about test bowling is going too far.

 

[SL_Fan]

Not debating if he is great here but this notion of Sanga facing all those listed great bowlers and scoring runs is not true.

Let's take some names you have listed from Pakistan,

Zero tests against Wasim.
Zero Tess against Saqlain
1 test against Waqar when he was on his last leg.

Let's see how he did when he came up against in match where either Warne, McGrath or Gillespie played,

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...er_involve=2286;template=results;type=batting

Let's see how he did against Indian name you listed,

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...yer_involve=1973;template=results;type=battin


He scored runs against Pollock and Ntini for sure but listing Kaneria/Lee when talking about test bowling is going too far.

An ave of 14 (wk/top order bat) vs an ave of 70 (specialist bat) in the first case and an ave of 25 (wk/top order bat) vs an ave of 46 (specialist bat) in the second.

Clearly his overall numbers as a Test batsman have been distorted as a result of having to keep and bat in the top order. It’s very much understandable because obviously it’s a huge workload for anyone. It's not as if we are talking about someone who kept and batted in the lower order. No real point in drawing conclusions based on highly distorted overall figures now is there?

 

[GenericBrand]

Inevitable this thread turned into Sachin vs Sanga

 

[Buffet]

An ave of 14 (wk/top order bat) vs an ave of 70 (specialist bat) in the first case and an ave of 25 (wk/top order bat) vs an ave of 46 (specialist bat) in the second.

Clearly his overall numbers as a Test batsman have been distorted as a result of having to keep and bat in the top order. It’s very much understandable because obviously it’s a huge workload for anyone. It's not as if we are talking about someone who kept and batted in the lower order. No real point in drawing conclusions based on highly distorted overall figures now is there?

My post was not about his greatness at all. It was about a wrong claim of him scoring runs against all those great bowlers . I was only pointing out that Sanga has not scored runs against those bowlers. He has not even faced some of them listed above by fellow poster.

 

[biggestdravidfan]

Lankan calling someone who doesnt rate a Sanga as rubbish.Poor people literally begging for attention and recognition for their FTBs.

Ignore them . Our padosis just want someone to leech on to so they can put down Sachin/India. First Lara was their darling , they said he would overtake Sachin's run tally . Then he retired . Then Ponting became their darling , then Kallis and now Sanga. It shows who is insecure and who is not. And i have no problem if Sachin is compared to Lara , Ponting , Dravid or Kallis. All of them are greats of the game. But sanga ? Please.

 

[IcedEarth]

Not debating if he is great here but this notion of Sanga facing all those listed great bowlers and scoring runs is not true.

Let's take some names you have listed from Pakistan,

Zero tests against Wasim.
Zero Tess against Saqlain
1 test against Waqar when he was on his last leg.

Let's see how he did when he came up against in match where either Warne, McGrath or Gillespie played,

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...er_involve=2286;template=results;type=batting

Let's see how he did against Indian name you listed,

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...yer_involve=1973;template=results;type=battin


He scored runs against Pollock and Ntini for sure but listing Kaneria/Lee when talking about test bowling is going too far.

Lol, what a sample size!

How much SRT score against Anderson / Broad / Tremlett / Swann attack? How much Sanga scored? 36 and 39 If IIRC.

How many SRT scored against Steyn / Morkel / Philander, which was far the best seam attack seen in last 30 years? Oh, he chickened out and retired just before that. How much SRT averaged against Dnald / De Villiers / Pollock and Ntini? 39 IIRC. How much Sanga did? 38 or around that much.

SRT played McGrath and Warne at his prime while Kumar played them at his early days. There is much difference. And for the best part of is career SRT did not face Pakistan attack, whic was in it's fearful best during 1991-1997 period, nor the best of WI attack.

It's daft to brag that SRT played better quality attacks than Kumar. If it was the case, the difference is not that much. Whenever their performances are compared against same bowlers their achievements are almost identical. Sometimes as the case of England, Kumar played all his matches in early summer while SRT played more than half his matches in the late summer where batting is easy.

Kumar only needs to rectify his average in WI (which will be piece of cake if he gets a tour), in India (won't be that difficult) and in SAF (will be a task in hand), and get them over 40. If he retires with an average of 58+, he will definietly be remebered as the best b atsman from Asia.

 

[Buffet]

Ignore them . Our padosis just want someone to leech on to so they can put down Sachin/India. First Lara was their darling , they said he would overtake Sachin's run tally . Then he retired . Then Ponting became their darling , then Kallis and now Sanga. It shows who is insecure and who is not. And i have no problem if Sachin is compared to Lara , Ponting , Dravid or Kallis. All of them are greats of the game. But sanga ? Please.

He is likely to go down as great as well. You can argue that he is a notch below the folks you listed above and I will agree with you but he will go down as great. Now when you start putting ATG list then it's a different case. It will vary from person to person. Many don't consider even Dravid, Waqar as an ATG.

Let me put it this way. Sanga is 4th or 5th best batsman from entire SC. It may change in future but he is among the top 5 batsmen from SC.

 

[IcedEarth]

Indians getting insecure as Kumar approaches the run tally of the god. Already he has a better average. Odd thing is that Wi fans don't have that insecurity concerning Lara and Sobers.

 

[Buffet]

Lol, what a sample size!

How much SRT score against Anderson / Broad / Tremlett / Swann attack? How much Sanga scored? 36 and 39 If IIRC.

How many SRT scored against Steyn / Morkel / Philander, which was far the best seam attack seen in last 30 years? Oh, he chickened out and retired just before that. How much SRT averaged against Dnald / De Villiers / Pollock and Ntini? 39 IIRC. How much Sanga did? 38 or around that much.

SRT played McGrath and Warne at his prime while Kumar played them at his early days. There is much difference. And for the best part of is career SRT did not face Pakistan attack, whic was in it's fearful best during 1991-1997 period, nor the best of WI attack.

It's daft to brag that SRT played better quality attacks than Kumar. If it was the case, the difference is not that much. Whenever their performances are compared against same bowlers their achievements are almost identical. Sometimes as the case of England, Kumar played all his matches in early summer while SRT played more than half his matches in the late summer where batting is easy.

Kumar only needs to rectify his average in WI (which will be piece of cake if he gets a tour), in India (won't be that difficult) and in SAF (will be a task in hand), and get them over 40. If he retires with an average of 58+, he will definietly be remebered as the best b atsman from Asia.

What are you having? I will have some as well.

I replied to a specific post where some one listed a laundry list of great bowlers and said that Sanga has scored runs against those bowlers. I pointed out that the notion was not true. He hasn't even played against many of the bowlers listed by the fellow poster . But here go, without reading any posts, let's talk about SRT ..... No matter, who is saying what, let's start talking about SRT.

 

[Aman]

He is likely to go down as great as well. You can argue that he is a notch below the folks you listed above and I will agree with you but he will go down as great. Now when you start putting ATG list then it's a different case. It will vary from person to person. Many don't consider even Dravid, Waqar as an ATG.

Let me put it this way. Sanga is 4th or 5th best batsman from entire SC. It may change in future but he is among the top 5 batsmen from SC.

LMAO who doesn't consider Waqar an ATG

 

[Buffet]

LMAO who doesn't consider Waqar an ATG

If I remember then only today some poster was saying something like that. Then later he said that Dravid is not due to black mark in different conditions but Waqar is ATG. I was asking him the reason because Dravid has less black marks and a lot more good marks than Waqar in different conditions. I forgot which thread it was.

Anyway, outside of this forum, I have seen many not considering Waqar an ATG due to not doing so well in many away venues. Same with Dravid for failing to do well in SA and SL. For me, ATG is not only about stats. Dravid and Waqar, both have done enough to leave a huge impression on cricket fans. Dravid played many legendary knocks and Waqar was one the best we have seen with unique in swingers. They are ATG for me.

 

[SL_Fan]

My post was not about his greatness at all. It was about a wrong claim of him scoring runs against all those great bowlers . I was only pointing out that Sanga has not scored runs against those bowlers. He has not even faced some of them listed above by fellow poster.

Where have I said anything about greatness in my earlier post? You were trying to show that he didn't do well when facing those bowlers right? I just showed why that's not entirely accurate.

 

[SL_Fan]

Ignore them . Our padosis just want someone to leech on to so they can put down Sachin/India. First Lara was their darling , they said he would overtake Sachin's run tally . Then he retired . Then Ponting became their darling , then Kallis and now Sanga. It shows who is insecure and who is not. And i have no problem if Sachin is compared to Lara , Ponting , Dravid or Kallis. All of them are greats of the game. But sanga ? Please.

Buahahaha talk about insecurity. Off the richter scale that!

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Lol, what a sample size!

How much SRT score against Anderson / Broad / Tremlett / Swann attack? How much Sanga scored? 36 and 39 If IIRC.

How many SRT scored against Steyn / Morkel / Philander, which was far the best seam attack seen in last 30 years? Oh, he chickened out and retired just before that. How much SRT averaged against Dnald / De Villiers / Pollock and Ntini? 39 IIRC. How much Sanga did? 38 or around that much.

SRT played McGrath and Warne at his prime while Kumar played them at his early days. There is much difference. And for the best part of is career SRT did not face Pakistan attack, whic was in it's fearful best during 1991-1997 period, nor the best of WI attack.

It's daft to brag that SRT played better quality attacks than Kumar. If it was the case, the difference is not that much. Whenever their performances are compared against same bowlers their achievements are almost identical. Sometimes as the case of England, Kumar played all his matches in early summer while SRT played more than half his matches in the late summer where batting is easy.

Kumar only needs to rectify his average in WI (which will be piece of cake if he gets a tour), in India (won't be that difficult) and in SAF (will be a task in hand), and get them over 40. If he retires with an average of 58+, he will definietly be remebered as the best b atsman from Asia.

Last tour to SA, SRT averaged 80 or so. 2 brilliant 100's. Against Steyn who was at his absolute peak.

Before the next tour to SA, he was asked to retire first. He wanted to play.

Chickened out? )

Also you say that Kumar didn't score against McGrath and co bcos it was his early days and blame Sachin for not scoring against Anderson and co conveniently avoiding the fact that he was at the twilight of his career.

How much SRT score against Anderson / Broad / Tremlett / Swann attack? How much Sanga scored? 36 and 39 If IIRC.

Sachin at the twilight of his career averaged 36 and Sanga (at his peak) averaged 39. Sure, its the same.

 

[Buffet]

Where have I said anything about greatness in my earlier post? You were trying to show that he didn't do well when facing those bowlers right? I just showed why that's not entirely accurate.

I was mainly trying to show that he has played very little against those listed great bowlers and he hasn't done really great against them. In fact, he never played against some of the listed bowlers. It's misleading to claim than he scored runs against Wasim, Saqlain, Warne, Mcgrath etc

I should have read your post more carefully. Sorry about that. You are trying to argue about his record as keeper and pure batsman. We had that discussion earlier and I get it where you are coming from.

Well, let's look at it rationally in context of this conversation. He has played total 5 tests when either McGrath or Warne or Gillespie played. Only 1 test out of 5 test was as a pure batsman. If we want to talk about him scoring runs against those bowlers then it would make no sense to talk about 1 test and his avg in one test. If we want to talk about his pure batsman phase then it's fine but we should not list McGrath, Warne, GIllespie as bowlers he faced and scored runs.

It will be more appropriate to list the bowlers he actually played enough tests as batsman and scored. Like Pollock, Steyn, Ajmal and so on..

 

[SL_Fan]

I was mainly trying to show that he has played very little against those listed great bowlers and he hasn't done really great against them. In fact, he never played against some of the listed bowlers. It's misleading to claim than he scored runs against Wasim, Saqlain, Warne, Mcgrath etc

I should have read you post more carefully. Sorry about that. You are trying to argue about his record as keep and pure batsman. We had that discussion earlier and I get it where you are coming from.

Well, let's look at it rationally in context of this conversation. He has played total 5 tests when either McGrath or Warne or Gillespie played. 1 our of 5 test was as pure batsman. If we want to talk about him scoring runs against those bowlers then it would make no sense to talk about 1 test and his avg in one test. If we want to only count his pure batsman phase then it's fine but we should not list McGrath, Warne, GIllespie as bowlers he faced and scored runs.

Well no arguments there. Bit of a misunderstanding on both sides I guess

 

[Buffet]

Well no arguments there. Bit of a misunderstanding on both sides I guess

No problem mate.

 

[Feroz Rawther]

Lol, what a sample size!

How much SRT score against Anderson / Broad / Tremlett / Swann attack? How much Sanga scored? 36 and 39 If IIRC.

How many SRT scored against Steyn / Morkel / Philander, which was far the best seam attack seen in last 30 years? Oh, he chickened out and retired just before that. How much SRT averaged against Dnald / De Villiers / Pollock and Ntini? 39 IIRC. How much Sanga did? 38 or around that much.

SRT played McGrath and Warne at his prime while Kumar played them at his early days. There is much difference. And for the best part of is career SRT did not face Pakistan attack, whic was in it's fearful best during 1991-1997 period, nor the best of WI attack.

It's daft to brag that SRT played better quality attacks than Kumar. If it was the case, the difference is not that much. Whenever their performances are compared against same bowlers their achievements are almost identical. Sometimes as the case of England, Kumar played all his matches in early summer while SRT played more than half his matches in the late summer where batting is easy.

Kumar only needs to rectify his average in WI (which will be piece of cake if he gets a tour), in India (won't be that difficult) and in SAF (will be a task in hand), and get them over 40. If he retires with an average of 58+, he will definietly be remebered as the best b atsman from Asia.

Sanga didn't face Ambrose,Walsh,Wasim at all.when he faced Donald,Mcgrath ,Warne & Kumble he was not that successful.he do not have a 100 vs any of these bowlers in their own countries.you can argue that he was too early in his career, but yet since that never happend it is more prone to go against him rather than for. this is because the above said bowlers as you would know were very difficult to score off.so quite naturally some one who was successful against them would be valued better than some one who never did that for what ever reasons.To put it in perspective I place Viv higher than Sachin because Viv scored those runs with out helmet.whether Sachin would have been as successful with out helmet is out of the equation because it never happend.so the benefit of doubt goes to Viv. the same logic here.He didn't have a 100 vs Pollock in SAF. the only all time great bowler from the 90s against whom Sanga made a 100 in abroad conditions was Waqar in his last days.Another one was Steyn against whom he made a 108.

When compared to this SRT scored 100s vs Mcgrath,Warne,Murali,Pollock,Donald,Steyn in their own countries.his 136 vs 2Ws was one of the best in the history of the game. more over Ind & Pak conditions do not differ by much.Sachin has avg: of 46+ vs Donald,Pollock& Steyn combined.He avg:ed 46+ vs Mcgrath & Warne in AUS. he though didn't score a 100 vs Walsh/Ambrose in WI , avg:ed 57 against them in his lone series against them.Also i am sure , has great avg: vs Murali in SL as well.

I can't get this early summer/late summer point. from what i gathered, Sanga played most in June/July and Sachin played most in Jul/Aug.any difference?

in addition to the general quality of bowl difference they faced,if we take the most difficult conditions for a sub continental batsman AUS,SAF,ENG,NZL & WI are those.Of these baring WI , Sachin has played 114 inns, scored 5387 runs & avg:ed 51.3 .remember if we take his record till Apr 2011(After which his slump began) this avg: is much larger.Sanga's respective figures are 55, 2311,45.31.

so bowling quality wise there is some difference, Sanga played not even half the no: of inns in these countries,yet he avg:s a clear 6 less than SRT, his avg: in all these countries is not that consistant like SRT(avg:es about 35 only in SAF).So for me the difference is still many fold. and you add one day record to this... mmmm .. this isn't even a comparison.

 

[thivaakar]

1. Sangakkara got better by the age, while Sachin's ability started going down with his age.
2. One was a child prodigy and made his debut at the age of 16, while the other one started playing cricket at the age of 16

I dont think you can really compare them, maybe if you compare both of their peak, they'll end up with similar stats.

 

[Buffet]

1. Sangakkara got better by the age, while Sachin's ability started going down with his age.
2. One was a child prodigy and made his debut at the age of 16, while the other one started playing cricket at the age of 16

I dont think you can really compare them, maybe if you compare both of their peak, they'll end up with similar stats.

Which period you consider as Sanga's peak?

 

[Amjid Javed]

Id rate Brian Lara as a much better batsmen then sanga!

 

[nish_mate]

I think Sanga is the best batsman ever in the history of the game.. frightening prospect that he can only improve from here .. anything less than 20k runs will be an underachievement.

30k minimum and the Nobel Peace Prize is the minimum i expect from him

 

[tempus123]

30k minimum and the Nobel Peace Prize is the minimum i expect from him

main bhi faku aur yeh bhi feku!!!

 

[Mainul]

Lol, what a sample size!

How much SRT score against Anderson / Broad / Tremlett / Swann attack? How much Sanga scored? 36 and 39 If IIRC.

How many SRT scored against Steyn / Morkel / Philander, which was far the best seam attack seen in last 30 years? Oh, he chickened out and retired just before that. How much SRT averaged against Dnald / De Villiers / Pollock and Ntini? 39 IIRC. How much Sanga did? 38 or around that much.

SRT played McGrath and Warne at his prime while Kumar played them at his early days. There is much difference. And for the best part of is career SRT did not face Pakistan attack, whic was in it's fearful best during 1991-1997 period, nor the best of WI attack.

It's daft to brag that SRT played better quality attacks than Kumar. If it was the case, the difference is not that much. Whenever their performances are compared against same bowlers their achievements are almost identical. Sometimes as the case of England, Kumar played all his matches in early summer while SRT played more than half his matches in the late summer where batting is easy.

Kumar only needs to rectify his average in WI (which will be piece of cake if he gets a tour), in India (won't be that difficult) and in SAF (will be a task in hand), and get them over 40. If he retires with an average of 58+, he will definietly be remebered as the best b atsman from Asia.

Good analysis.Thumbs up

 

[Mainul]

Not debating if he is great here but this notion of Sanga facing all those listed great bowlers and scoring runs is not true.

Let's take some names you have listed from Pakistan,

Zero tests against Wasim.
Zero Tess against Saqlain
1 test against Waqar when he was on his last leg.

Let's see how he did when he came up against in match where either Warne, McGrath or Gillespie played,

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...er_involve=2286;template=results;type=batting

Let's see how he did against Indian name you listed,

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...yer_involve=1973;template=results;type=battin


He scored runs against Pollock and Ntini for sure but listing Kaneria/Lee when talking about test bowling is going too far.

Thanks to rectify my fault about Wasim and Saqlain.But scoring 230 against Waqar,Shoib,Sami in Asian test championship final was a special performance from Sanga.You said about Waqar being on last leg,but Sachin also didnt face Wasim and Waqar much in their primetime.Lee was a special bowler in test.He had to compete with Mcgrath,Warne,Gillespie to to take wickets.Still he got 310 wickets in 76 tests Q avg of 30,@ the same rate of James Anderson (he is better than Anderson), with a fame of the fastest bowler after Shoib in his era.If Sachin or Sanga do well against him that is not an ordianry achievement.

 

[Mamoon]

Lee was a hack at Test level, not just hampered by other quality bowlers. He didn't possess the skills and brains to make an impact in the longer formats.