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The PLE was fantastic from top to bottom @RedwoodOriginal

Liv Morgan put in the best performance of her career and looked fantastic out there, she elevated all her opponents in chamber and there was an extra zip behind her work, it was a fun opener. Sami/KO was barbaric, I wonder where Sami goes from here after Orton’s return? Even the tag match with Trish wasn’t terrible by any means and the main event delivered, just gutted for Punk, I think last year he was a shoe-in to main event, no guarantee now but he put in the best male performance of the night.
 
sweep_shot said:
It has definitely brought me back after not watching wrestling regularly for 16 years. Last time Cena was a heel was back in 2004.

This is equivalent to Hogan's heel turn or Austin's Wrestlemania heel turn.

Well done, WWE. This should spice things up.
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Austin hated that he turned heel in Texas, it bugged him so much I think it played a huge role in him returning to the ring a few years ago against KO, that seemed like a minor miracle in itself looking back. I still saw the Austin turn as a memorable moment and expected something big to happen with Cena’s character at mania, this though is better, getting so much heat into the event 6 weeks in advance, mania needed this boost
 
BunnyRabbit said:
I saw Jeff's matches vs Taker and RVD a few months back and he is probably restraining 80% of what he used to do back then. The years of beating his body took has taken its toll but the infectious energy and charisma is still there.
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It’s just the way they work now, a bit smarter. Am sure he did some crazy stuff in AEW @RedwoodOriginal can confirm. Hardy is a lot better then all the spots tbh I don’t know how many people watched this, but one of his biggest auditions for the WWE championship was a match with Shawn in 2007 and he killed it, hung in there with his hero and the finish was shocking to some extent but many sheets reported that Shawn didn’t have a problem doing the deed
 
shaz619 said:
Not to mention this, occurred at the EC PLE. Talking with @RedwoodOriginal we discussed it was more likely that a big turn would be planned at WM, great swerve really and they kept all the leaks out
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Yep. It was beautifully executed and had the shock value. Speaking for myself, I was enjoying the match so much that I wasn't even thinking about the Cody/Rock Segment. I thought Cena would win, or if not him then Punk. When Cody came to the ring, I was like okay, let's see where this goes. But I didn't think they would do the turn, or atleast not on this show. Which made it all the more great, bcause I was surprised.
 
shaz619 said:
It’s just the way they work now, a bit smarter. Am sure he did some crazy stuff in AEW @RedwoodOriginal can confirm. Hardy is a lot better then all the spots tbh I don’t know how many people watched this, but one of his biggest auditions for the WWE championship was a match with Shawn in 2007 and he killed it, hung in there with his hero and the finish was shocking to some extent but many sheets reported that Shawn didn’t have a problem doing the deed
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He was killing himself in AEW. Not working smart at all. It was sad to see because it seemed like he was always in constant pain in the ring. He had a crazy match with Darby Allin at the start of his run that I really enjoyed but for the most part the entire run was a big miss. Partly because of the booking (obvously), partly because of Jeff picking up a DUI a week before him and Matt were booked to win the tag belts from the Bucks. Glad to hear that he is working smarter now and taking it easy on himself.
 
shaz619 said:
The PLE was fantastic from top to bottom @RedwoodOriginal

Liv Morgan put in the best performance of her career and looked fantastic out there, she elevated all her opponents in chamber and there was an extra zip behind her work, it was a fun opener. Sami/KO was barbaric, I wonder where Sami goes from here after Orton’s return? Even the tag match with Trish wasn’t terrible by any means and the main event delivered, just gutted for Punk, I think last year he was a shoe-in to main event, no guarantee now but he put in the best male performance of the night.
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I still can't get over the fact that Orton's return was completely overshadowed again. :ROFLMAO:

But yeah man it was a fantastic show. This may have been the best women's Elimination Chamber match I have seen, ever? Strong opener. KO/Zayn lived up to all the hype. Could have done without the ref spots considering it was an Unsanctioned match i.e. the referee is just a decoration piece. But still, it was a fantastic match. Though I can't say that I see Sami Zayn making the WrestleMania card this time. As long as they have a proper storyline in-place for him that is leading somewhere he should be good though. As for the men's Chamber, I thought it delivered in spades. It had good wrestling, nostalgia, pay-offs and set-ups for WrestleMania. Punk was undoubtedly the MVP of this match. I marked out when he and Cena were bouncing Logan Paul around and then ofcourse the chef's kiss: hitting Logan Paul with the Hart Attack. Punk main-eventing WrestleMania is a long-term storyline that could be very interesting. If they play their cards right it could lead to another heel turn for the ages. You can probably guess which match I didn't care for.
 
What does throat slit 2 finger by Rock mean?

Theory: It means Rock will retire next WM or the year after as Cody’s 3rd and final opponent in his story?

1= Reigns
2= Cena
3= Rock

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RedwoodOriginal said:
No I'm not talking in-ring, where Jeff was obviously light years ahead of Jey. I'm talking about how they both were viewed initially as tag team guys and how they got elevated because of the fan support. When Matt and Jeff were having those crazy ladder matches with Dudley Boys and Edge & Christian, I don't think anyone thought that Jeff Hardy would be a World Champion one day. With Jey Uso, I didn't he would ever be World Champion until a couple of months ago
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Yes. I really hope Jey can have a good match at Mania. He obviously ain't close to his cousin Roman in terms of calling the match.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Guys are we seriously not going to talk about Travis Scott staggering out there while being in a completely different dimension? I think he might have lit a joint in the ring lol. I get that he is one of the biggest music artists in the world eventhough his music is utter trash but was this really necessary? It reminded me of when Dennis Rodman would be coming out with Hogan and the nWo. Atleast Rodman had an imposing presence and atleast I can respect him for being an elite basketball player. Travis Scott is the size of a q-tip. And LMAO he slapped the taste out of Cody's mouth.
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There are so many memes on twitter related to Travis Scott in that segment.
 
shaz619 said:
It’s just the way they work now, a bit smarter. Am sure he did some crazy stuff in AEW @RedwoodOriginal can confirm. Hardy is a lot better then all the spots tbh I don’t know how many people watched this, but one of his biggest auditions for the WWE championship was a match with Shawn in 2007 and he killed it, hung in there with his hero and the finish was shocking to some extent but many sheets reported that Shawn didn’t have a problem doing the deed
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Saw his interview a few years ago with him rewatching his match against Taker. He said he can't do a lot of stuff he was doing in that match now due to the toll on his body. Moves like running towards the turnbuckle and climbing it and doing a whisper in the wind. Or the slingshot leg drops and stuff.
His IC match against AJ in 2020 was a great technical match. There weren't many high flying spots but it was an exceptional match.
 
shaz619 said:
Austin hated that he turned heel in Texas, it bugged him so much I think it played a huge role in him returning to the ring a few years ago against KO, that seemed like a minor miracle in itself looking back. I still saw the Austin turn as a memorable moment and expected something big to happen with Cena’s character at mania, this though is better, getting so much heat into the event 6 weeks in advance, mania needed this boost
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Austin Rock rivalry was something else. They didn't really need any storyline in place and the crowd would still be going nuts. I remember them randomly adding Debra to the mix. Cena Cody feud couldn't have been as great as Austin Rock of 2001 as Cody and face Cena are two similar characters. Rock and Austin, even though both were faces, they were still totally different to each other.
 
Rana said:
What does throat slit 2 finger by Rock mean?

Theory: It means Rock will retire next WM or the year after as Cody’s 3rd and final opponent in his story?

1= Reigns
2= Cena
3= Rock

??
@shaz619
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That’s an interesting take, though I don’t think he will retire until he has wrestled Roman Reigns. The popular theory seems to be him maybe alluding to someone else joining this power trip? What if it ends up being CM Punk down the line who sells his soul after getting frustrated about not getting the main-event mah gawd Rock, Cena & Punk as this era’s NWO would be mental
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Saw his interview a few years ago with him rewatching his match against Taker. He said he can't do a lot of stuff he was doing in that match now due to the toll on his body. Moves like running towards the turnbuckle and climbing it and doing a whisper in the wind. Or the slingshot leg drops and stuff.
His IC match against AJ in 2020 was a great technical match. There weren't many high flying spots but it was an exceptional match.
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In NXT last week he went all out lol it was a great match with the others who I had not seen before, maybe the match gives him closure because he kept saying for weeks how he wanted to end his WWE run on a high
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I still can't get over the fact that Orton's return was completely overshadowed again. :ROFLMAO:

But yeah man it was a fantastic show. This may have been the best women's Elimination Chamber match I have seen, ever? Strong opener. KO/Zayn lived up to all the hype. Could have done without the ref spots considering it was an Unsanctioned match i.e. the referee is just a decoration piece. But still, it was a fantastic match. Though I can't say that I see Sami Zayn making the WrestleMania card this time. As long as they have a proper storyline in-place for him that is leading somewhere he should be good though. As for the men's Chamber, I thought it delivered in spades. It had good wrestling, nostalgia, pay-offs and set-ups for WrestleMania. Punk was undoubtedly the MVP of this match. I marked out when he and Cena were bouncing Logan Paul around and then ofcourse the chef's kiss: hitting Logan Paul with the Hart Attack. Punk main-eventing WrestleMania is a long-term storyline that could be very interesting. If they play their cards right it could lead to another heel turn for the ages. You can probably guess which match I didn't care for.
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Ah man so many epic moments in that chamber match or Cena & Punk joining forces to beat on Seth like two bully kutheh, the womens one defo the best due to level of intensity like they didn’t go all out with the spots and again Liv was also one of the MVP’s of the event. On the plus side, this might be the first time in his WWE career that Sami gets Ramadan off? Maybe he wont work Mania but ends up interfering in the Orton/KO match
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Austin Rock rivalry was something else. They didn't really need any storyline in place and the crowd would still be going nuts. I remember them randomly adding Debra to the mix. Cena Cody feud couldn't have been as great as Austin Rock of 2001 as Cody and face Cena are two similar characters. Rock and Austin, even though both were faces, they were still totally different to each other.
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I mean it could still have been a great match, but this helps elevate Cody as a babyface and as @RedwoodOriginal said before, they are going all out to make him a star and this sh!t really helps. I strongly felt there would be some drama with Cena’s character but not this early and even in this era, I don’t care what anyone says, but nothing beats a rivalry between a proper sympathetic baby face and a super villain heel.
 
shaz619 said:
Anyone but H 😡

Honestly, I thought it would be Drew or Cena, and then Drew got out early and I was convinced it would be Cena going over and potentially selling his soul, but never would I have seen it playing out like that before my eyes, the most surreal moment in all my time watching wrestling
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ye it was great theatre. Right from Cody delivering the line and Cena's face actually looking like he had lost his soul.
 
shaz619 said:
Ah man so many epic moments in that chamber match or Cena & Punk joining forces to beat on Seth like two bully kutheh, the womens one defo the best due to level of intensity like they didn’t go all out with the spots and again Liv was also one of the MVP’s of the event. On the plus side, this might be the first time in his WWE career that Sami gets Ramadan off? Maybe he wont work Mania but ends up interfering in the Orton/KO match
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Didn't think of it that way. Yeah I guess it is good that Sami is off the card then. Definitely can see him interfering in KO v Orton.

Interesting. I thought KO v Sami was the best match of the night. But then again, speaks to the quality of the card that 3/4 matches were so highly rated by everyone.
 
shaz619 said:
I mean it could still have been a great match, but this helps elevate Cody as a babyface and as @RedwoodOriginal said before, they are going all out to make him a star and this sh!t really helps. I strongly felt there would be some drama with Cena’s character but not this early and even in this era, I don’t care what anyone says, but nothing beats a rivalry between a proper sympathetic baby face and a super villain heel.
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I know a certain mark booker thinks that he can book babyface v babyface matches or heel v heel matches every week and fans will lose their $hit because of great the matches are, but wrestling for me is always at its best when its a clear cut heel v babyface dynamic. And when you're trying to get someone over as a top babyface this is even more necessary. We kept complaining earlier in Cody's run that there wasn't enough heat with his opponents. Which is why I was even proposing them turning Orton heel. Well, our wishes have been answered now. Personally speaking, I'm just ready to strap in and enjoy the ride because I have no idea what to expect. No better feeling as a wrestling fan! I don't even wanna fantasy book it.
 
Apparently that stoned idiot Travis Scott legitimately busted Cody's eardrum. You know a slap is stiff when you can hear it through the sound loud and clear, but the blame for this lies on WWE. They are so intent on whoring themselves out for social media 'likes' and 'views' that they will bring in any jacka$$ as long as he is popular.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Apparently that stoned idiot Travis Scott legitimately busted Cody's eardrum. You know a slap is stiff when you can hear it through the sound loud and clear, but the blame for this lies on WWE. They are so intent on whoring themselves out for social media 'likes' and 'views' that they will bring in any jacka$$ as long as he is popular.
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H’s fault for having a non wrestler on there like that. I saw the recoil Cody gave.

But yeah I agree. The senseless pandering to celebs is ridiculous. Wrestling doesn’t need Travis, freaking Logan Paul or Speed in a stupid prime bottle. Even Vince didn’t stoop this low.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Angry Punk is the best Punk. To get this kind of reaction when all the focus is on the Cena heel turn is impressive.

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Those BALD FRAUD’s 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Man what an opening segment, I feel they missed the boat not having Cena on this show with Dwayne, this RAW would have had so many eyeballs on it. I really hope Punk still gets to main event when he has been carrying RAW and essentially helped the company get the deal with Netflix, he is the franchise player on this brand, no doubt about it. This RAW should have been booked like a major event after the landmark EC PLE imo. Punk/Rollins have so much heat, it’s probably the most interesting feud after the Cody/Cena match-up which only got the steroid boost a few days ago.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Apparently that stoned idiot Travis Scott legitimately busted Cody's eardrum. You know a slap is stiff when you can hear it through the sound loud and clear, but the blame for this lies on WWE. They are so intent on whoring themselves out for social media 'likes' and 'views' that they will bring in any jacka$$ as long as he is popular.
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Terrible, it takes at least 2 months to heal, and that’s if he follows the prescribed treatment etc Not sure if he should be doing any shows given how loud they will be. I don’t recall Dennis Rodman doing anything silly like that during a major angle.
 
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Suleiman said:
H’s fault for having a non wrestler on there like that. I saw the recoil Cody gave.

But yeah I agree. The senseless pandering to celebs is ridiculous. Wrestling doesn’t need Travis, freaking Logan Paul or Speed in a stupid prime bottle. Even Vince didn’t stoop this low.
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I can understand the suits pushing these individuals but H should have more sense not to cheapen the product like this. If any idiot can do it then what makes the wrestlers so special? It's kind of a basic premise that any booker should be aware of.
 
shaz619 said:
Terrible, it takes at least 2 months to heal, and that’s if he follows the prescribed treatment etc Not sure if he should be doing any shows given how loud they will be. I don’t recall Dennis Rodman doing anything silly like that during a major angle.
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Rodman actually did fairly decenty for a non-wrestler and took it seriously. So seriously infact that he even missed some Chicago Bulls training sessions because he was on Nitro. :ROFLMAO:

This idiot was stoned out of his mind. He was in another dimension. And knowing that they had him slapping Cody.
 
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If they were gonna put Logan over with throwing out Punk at the Rumble may as well let Ronald McDonald cash in a happy meal on Gunther and win the heavyweight title… this guy triple h been around for so long yet his insecurities about wrestling are now forcing him to use these no name celebs to bolster pro wrestling, when pro wrestling in this era with so much going on can stand on its own. It was hot even before these influencer kids were born.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Rodman actually did fairly decenty for a non-wrestler and took it seriously. So seriously infact that he even missed some Chicago Bulls training sessions because he was on Nitro. :ROFLMAO:

This idiot was stoned out of his mind. He was in another dimension. And knowing that they had him slapping Cody.
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I'd blame it more on Dwayne though. There was no reason taking him to the ring with him. And he also said, I told him to make it count if he was to make his hands bloody. There was nothing Travis Scott added to the whole angle there. He looked like a drunk fan standing in the ring.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
I'd blame it more on Dwayne though. There was no reason taking him to the ring with him. And he also said, I told him to make it count if he was to make his hands bloody. There was nothing Travis Scott added to the whole angle there. He looked like a drunk fan standing in the ring.
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You're right. I saw a clip of him saying that in the press conference. Rock is another guy desperate to be popular and loved. Not sure who's idea it was; H or Rock, but I think both have some part to play in this.
 
shaz619 said:
Those BALD FRAUD’s 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Man what an opening segment, I feel they missed the boat not having Cena on this show with Dwayne, this RAW would have had so many eyeballs on it. I really hope Punk still gets to main event when he has been carrying RAW and essentially helped the company get the deal with Netflix, he is the franchise player on this brand, no doubt about it. This RAW should have been booked like a major event after the landmark EC PLE imo. Punk/Rollins have so much heat, it’s probably the most interesting feud after the Cody/Cena match-up which only got the steroid boost a few days ago.
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This was Punk going scorched earth. It was scandalous pipebomb dropping Punk. And what a fantastic brawl to cap it off. You really believe that these guys despise each other. The Steel Cage match at MSG next week should be off the hook. Somehow I see Seth winning, Roman making his presence known and them setting up the three-way for WrestleMania.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
It is really similar to the Hogan turn because both guys had only been uber babyfaces up until that point. Both were also the respective faces of the company for numerous years, preaching wholesome values to the point of becoming stale, while still resonating with kids. Which is what made the turns so shocking.

I'm with you. Cannot wait for the fresh coat of paint on Cena. Hopefully he can do something about that bald patch too lol. It was so off-putting that it took me out of the Chamber match a couple of times. Cornette, who worked with the likes of Cena, Orton, Lesnar, Shelton in OVW booked him as a heel when Cena was down there in developmental. Which is why he was so surprised when Cena became the top babyface because he always thought Cena was a natural heel. Exciting times ahead.
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Naw bruh, that bald patch will stay 🤣🤣. Cm punk called him a baldie anyway.

No way to fix that bald patch. Hair transplants will cause him to turn bald for a few months lol before he gets his actual hair back and obviously he can't compete and perform in wwe during that time.

Only option is a wig but people will know it's a wig.
 
mominsaigol said:
Naw bruh, that bald patch will stay 🤣🤣. Cm punk called him a baldie anyway.

No way to fix that bald patch. Hair transplants will cause him to turn bald for a few months lol before he gets his actual hair back and obviously he can't compete and perform in wwe during that time.

Only option is a wig but people will know it's a wig.
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He needs to embrace it and go full bald. Though I doubt he will do it considering he's a big-time movie star and the hair might be necassary for the roles lol.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
He needs to embrace it and go full bald. Though I doubt he will do it considering he's a big-time movie star and the hair might be necassary for the roles lol.
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In movies they can use cgi, or wigs and use camera angles and Hollywood tricks to ensure it looks real.

Not possible to do so in wwe which is streamed live. And bald look won't suit him at all.

Some men can rock( no pun intended) the look, others can't. Like if cena starts looking like this, I just wouldn't be able to take him seriously.

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mominsaigol said:
In movies they can use cgi, or wigs and use camera angles and Hollywood tricks to ensure it looks real.

Not possible to do so in wwe which is streamed live. And bald look won't suit him at all.

Some men can rock( no pun intended) the look, others can't. Like if cena starts looking like this, I just wouldn't be able to take him seriously.

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He been bald for many years even during his active ring career but the bald patch was hidden due to his military style hair cut, if he went back to that or some kind of skin fade, it could fit into the new heel turn. But I think he will keep his transplant hair, am pretty sure he got one a few years ago. Could be worse, Jericho uses hair extensions 🙈🙈
 
shaz619 said:
Batista is using a wig though for one of his new roles @mominsaigol , then again, I haven’t seen a hair on that head since 2007 lol Best wrestler turned actor imo
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He's the only one who can act that's why.

Cena took years to learn how to act and do Hollywood correctly and even then they give him roles that suit his wwe gimmick like peacemaker.

And the rock doesn't know how to act 🤣🤣🤣. His best films are the ones where he's just himself lol. Same with wwe. He ain't acting, he's genuinely like this 🤣.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
This was Punk going scorched earth. It was scandalous pipebomb dropping Punk. And what a fantastic brawl to cap it off. You really believe that these guys despise each other. The Steel Cage match at MSG next week should be off the hook. Somehow I see Seth winning, Roman making his presence known and them setting up the three-way for WrestleMania.
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That brawl was so epic that the crowd started to chant how awesome it was lol That’s what people wanna see when it all feels so real, that should be one hell of a main event, WM worthy imo. And a few days later you got NXT at the Theatre in MSG, famous arena to, Amir Khan made his US debut there in a world title fight. Gulia vs Vasquer should be fantastic, I think one of them is getting called up soon and I hope Ricky Saints has a major segment there as well.
 
mominsaigol said:
He's the only one who can act that's why.

Cena took years to learn how to act and do Hollywood correctly and even then they give him roles that suit his wwe gimmick like peacemaker.

And the rock doesn't know how to act 🤣🤣🤣. His best films are the ones where he's just himself lol. Same with wwe. He ain't acting, he's genuinely like this 🤣.
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They really missed the ball with Batista, when he made a comeback Vince didn’t think he’d do so well in Hollywood, but he has made almost every kind of movie from the Marvel stuff to action, thriller and comedy, his best performance for me was in Blade Runner, he didn’t have massive screen time but it was a very moving scene. With Rock and Cena I don’t really recall much from their movies though am sure they got paid well for them, Rock has a chance to restore his reputation as an actor in his next movie a biopic on a former MMA star and he also pitched a crime movie to Martin Scorsese but Scorsese hasn’t accepted yet
 
@RedwoodOriginal Check out AJ’s interview with Chris VV, I only listened to the first 30 min so far. Wont spoil it but a couple of things which stood out to me is how the triple threat with Joe & Daniels could have been better and how he religiously watched all kinds of wrestling in person and on tape to develop his versatility in a high pressure indie scene where everyone could do it all really, they talked about the backflip into a Sting Death Drop and how if you’ve not watched him before, it could be difficult for his opponent to help him execute; the point I took was that he studied his opponents religiously and developed such a vast pool of knowledge when it came to various wrestling styles, not only allowed him to innovate his own move-set but also have the best possible matches against whoever he was working with because he’d know them inside out.
 
Really liked this recap:


Good breakdown. Cena going on a massive L streak for the last 10 years and essentially becoming Rock from their feud years ago where he said you sold out to Hollywood and also getting surpassed by all the talent kayfabe wise.

Think everyone knew he was at his limit when he barged back into the ring after Jey eliminated him in the RR. He grabbed Jey by the face to pick up him up before exercising some self control and hugging him instead.

I can’t get over how well placed everything is for this turn even if it came at the very end after 12-13 years when he was originally supposed to. I’m glad I caught up with wrestling in the last 1.5 years or so lol, rather than finding out all this now.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
You're right. I saw a clip of him saying that in the press conference. Rock is another guy desperate to be popular and loved. Not sure who's idea it was; H or Rock, but I think both have some part to play in this.
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Travis was being advertised as a guest even before Dwayne was booked for the show? It was stupid still.
Not every celebrity will be able to work as well as Logan has done. I don't like Logan but he's at a point where he does look like a wrestler.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
This was Punk going scorched earth. It was scandalous pipebomb dropping Punk. And what a fantastic brawl to cap it off. You really believe that these guys despise each other. The Steel Cage match at MSG next week should be off the hook. Somehow I see Seth winning, Roman making his presence known and them setting up the three-way for WrestleMania.
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Think Roman will return next week as he's already scheduled for the Europe tour. Roman and Punk don't have much animosity on the screen just yet as opposed to what they have for Seth. Let's see how they set up that triple threat.
 
mominsaigol said:
He's the only one who can act that's why.

Cena took years to learn how to act and do Hollywood correctly and even then they give him roles that suit his wwe gimmick like peacemaker.

And the rock doesn't know how to act 🤣🤣🤣. His best films are the ones where he's just himself lol. Same with wwe. He ain't acting, he's genuinely like this 🤣.
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Cena actually has good comedic timing. His performances of late have been pretty good in Peacemaker, Ricky Stanicky, Argyle etc.
Dwayne did try hard and was actually decent in films like Faster, Southland Tales and Pain & Gain, he actually portrayed Hobbs in Fast Five differently in the first one than turning it into Dwayne later on. It's just that as soon as he found fame as an action star, he started having more say in the films (because of him being a major producer) and directors etc just simply have to give in to his demands into having his characters just be Dwayne rather than be something else. Just watch how different Luke Hobbs is in Fast Five and Hobbs and Shaw. It feels like a different character.
Final Boss is probably his best "acting audition" since 2013.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Cena actually has good comedic timing. His performances of late have been pretty good in Peacemaker, Ricky Stanicky, Argyle etc.
Dwayne did try hard and was actually decent in films like Faster, Southland Tales and Pain & Gain, he actually portrayed Hobbs in Fast Five differently in the first one than turning it into Dwayne later on. It's just that as soon as he found fame as an action star, he started having more say in the films (because of him being a major producer) and directors etc just simply have to give in to his demands into having his characters just be Dwayne rather than be something else. Just watch how different Luke Hobbs is in Fast Five and Hobbs and Shaw. It feels like a different character.
Final Boss is probably his best "acting audition" since 2013.
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All those performances are characters that mimick his wwe persona. Aka strong men with comedic timing and a bit of a trash talk rap style personality.

He's done well but once again he just hasn't been able to diversify from his wwe persona. That persona is ever present in movies even when he's playing characters that logically don't call for it and it dampens his acting and the movie it self.

Batista is the only one who's been successful in various roles and has shown that he can act and isn't just some wwe wrestler playing a gimmick.
 
mominsaigol said:
All those performances are characters that mimick his wwe persona. Aka strong men with comedic timing and a bit of a trash talk rap style personality.

He's done well but once again he just hasn't been able to diversify from his wwe persona. That persona is ever present in movies even when he's playing characters that logically don't call for it and it dampens his acting and the movie it self.

Batista is the only one who's been successful in various roles and has shown that he can act and isn't just some wwe wrestler playing a gimmick.
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No have you seen Faster? He plays a straight vengeful guy seeking a killer. Not a single comedic moment in the film. He played it quite well.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
No have you seen Faster? He plays a straight vengeful guy seeking a killer. Not a single comedic moment in the film. He played it quite well.
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Naw I haven't, willing to watch it though. Off topic, but I'm super glad wwe came to Netflix, so much easier to watch every episode now
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Cena actually has good comedic timing. His performances of late have been pretty good in Peacemaker, Ricky Stanicky, Argyle etc.
Dwayne did try hard and was actually decent in films like Faster, Southland Tales and Pain & Gain, he actually portrayed Hobbs in Fast Five differently in the first one than turning it into Dwayne later on. It's just that as soon as he found fame as an action star, he started having more say in the films (because of him being a major producer) and directors etc just simply have to give in to his demands into having his characters just be Dwayne rather than be something else. Just watch how different Luke Hobbs is in Fast Five and Hobbs and Shaw. It feels like a different character.
Final Boss is probably his best "acting audition" since 2013.
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Cena’s a hard worker, but Batista’s a more natural across genre’s imo Have you seen Stuber? Cena doesn’t have one comedy performance on that level, if he does I will need to see it
 
mominsaigol said:
Naw I haven't, willing to watch it though. Off topic, but I'm super glad wwe came to Netflix, so much easier to watch every episode now
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I have to admit that I am the same, I’ve even turned into a regular NXT fan, their women's division is the best in all off wrestling and showcased quiet well, and you got some big stars off the future including Oba Femi & Ricky Saints, WWE have an agreement with TNA who exchange talent through NXT, and that’s how we got the Hardy Boyz back on WWE TV after many years. Next week NXT will be held at the MSG Theatre, big show, Undertaker is scheduled to make an appearance. The only annoying thing is, the women are so good that Jealous H steals the talent from Shawn Michaels, and then because H is clueless, he doesn’t know how to book the women on the main roster who are all starting to complain now.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Think Roman will return next week as he's already scheduled for the Europe tour. Roman and Punk don't have much animosity on the screen just yet as opposed to what they have for Seth. Let's see how they set up that triple threat.
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They’ve taken CM Punk off the live European tour shows though he may be booked for the house shows, but The Rock & Cena will be making an appearance at one of the RAW shows, if it wasn’t Ramadan I would have been interested.
 
shaz619 said:
I have to admit that I am the same, I’ve even turned into a regular NXT fan, their women's division is the best in all off wrestling and showcased quiet well, and you got some big stars off the future including Oba Femi & Ricky Saints, WWE have an agreement with TNA who exchange talent through NXT, and that’s how we got the Hardy Boyz back on WWE TV after many years. Next week NXT will be held at the MSG Theatre, big show, Undertaker is scheduled to make an appearance. The only annoying thing is, the women are so good that Jealous H steals the talent from Shawn Michaels, and then because H is clueless, he doesn’t know how to book the women on the main roster who are all starting to complain now.
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Well idk about that. This raw was pretty solid. Idk if you watched this episode of raw but we had

A) Seth rollins and CM punk fighting and next week on raw they are officially having a hell in a cell match

B) A couple of filler matches as expected on raw but atleast we got to expand a bit on the gunter + uso storyline

C) Miss Mami loses her championship to Miss Japan. I did not see that coming and we have a different women championship title card at wrestlemania now.

The fact that this episode ended with women does show that their expanding and improving it.

During Vince era, Raw and smackdown had become so boring that besides promo segments that you can watch on youtube their wasn't a point on watching raw and smackdown. Youtube promo segments × main events and that's it.

But triple H had made raw and Smackdown interesting. Like we're seeing a rollins vs cm punk hell in a cell next week on raw and we just saw rhea ripley lose her title on raw.

It's definitely a good time to be watching raw and smackdown on Netflix. Since wwe moved to Netflix, they have upped the ante of story telling.

But yes, Unfortunately filler matches that no one cares about still exist sadly. They have to find a way to cover up tue 2 hr time limit on smackdown and 3 hour time limit on raw.

They can't make the event short like 1 hr because people actually pay to come to these events and watch them live.

I myself am going to Perth this year when wwe comes and will watch some events live. You gotta make people's money worth hence the increased time and filler matches.
 
WWE launched a WCW channel on YouTube. And they have already uploaded some pretty cool shows and matches:

youtube.com

WCW

This is where the BIG BOYS play! WCW on YouTube is your destination for full matches, complete WCW pay-per-view events, full episodes of Monday Nitro and Thunder, Clash of the Champions and much more!
youtube.com youtube.com

Any wrestling fan who hasn't seen Flair v Steamboat, Chi-Town Rumble '89 needs to do themselves a favor and watch that classic. It's up on the channel too.
 
mominsaigol said:
Well idk about that. This raw was pretty solid. Idk if you watched this episode of raw but we had

A) Seth rollins and CM punk fighting and next week on raw they are officially having a hell in a cell match

B) A couple of filler matches as expected on raw but atleast we got to expand a bit on the gunter + uso storyline

C) Miss Mami loses her championship to Miss Japan. I did not see that coming and we have a different women championship title card at wrestlemania now.

The fact that this episode ended with women does show that their expanding and improving it.

During Vince era, Raw and smackdown had become so boring that besides promo segments that you can watch on youtube their wasn't a point on watching raw and smackdown. Youtube promo segments × main events and that's it.

But triple H had made raw and Smackdown interesting. Like we're seeing a rollins vs cm punk hell in a cell next week on raw and we just saw rhea ripley lose her title on raw.

It's definitely a good time to be watching raw and smackdown on Netflix. Since wwe moved to Netflix, they have upped the ante of story telling.

But yes, Unfortunately filler matches that no one cares about still exist sadly. They have to find a way to cover up tue 2 hr time limit on smackdown and 3 hour time limit on raw.

They can't make the event short like 1 hr because people actually pay to come to these events and watch them live.

I myself am going to Perth this year when wwe comes and will watch some events live. You gotta make people's money worth hence the increased time and filler matches.
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Rhea Ripley has had no direction as champion for months, doing a title change for shock value doesn’t really point to them doing a good job with the division for me, this is Miss Japan’s second world title and yet she is just another wrestler who can do the spots and isn’t remotely interesting beyond that. It’s not unusual for them to give women the main-event spot and dare I say, it’s not really earned like it use to be, after receiving criticism of his booking of the women’s division, this is their response to that, lets throw them a bone. Keep watching beyond Wrestlemania and you will soon get very familiar with H’s one track booking style; the big Wrestlemania programs are not really his call and Punk/Seth is a feud which sells itself, it has more to to do with how excellent Punk is because he has elevated whoever he works with and this goes back to AEW, if there’s a Punk match or promo you can’t get over then there’s something deeply wrong. On the whole, H struggles to create new stars; he’s more of a coordinator on a ship which is sailing itself, this is how strong WWE’s structure is right now, Nick Khan is more influential and The Rock being a TKO board member has played a huge role in the creative direction of the company on Netflix. Bare in mind this RAW followed one of the most landmark events ever and had even more eyeballs, you take Punk out the show and it’s very stale, I actually think the NXT episode was put together really well.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
WWE launched a WCW channel on YouTube. And they have already uploaded some pretty cool shows and matches:

youtube.com

WCW

This is where the BIG BOYS play! WCW on YouTube is your destination for full matches, complete WCW pay-per-view events, full episodes of Monday Nitro and Thunder, Clash of the Champions and much more!
youtube.com youtube.com

Any wrestling fan who hasn't seen Flair v Steamboat, Chi-Town Rumble '89 needs to do themselves a favor and watch that classic. It's up on the channel too.
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The greatest trilogy in wrestling of all time, you take those matches and put them in any era, it holds up.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
WWE launched a WCW channel on YouTube. And they have already uploaded some pretty cool shows and matches:

youtube.com

WCW

This is where the BIG BOYS play! WCW on YouTube is your destination for full matches, complete WCW pay-per-view events, full episodes of Monday Nitro and Thunder, Clash of the Champions and much more!
youtube.com youtube.com

Any wrestling fan who hasn't seen Flair v Steamboat, Chi-Town Rumble '89 needs to do themselves a favor and watch that classic. It's up on the channel too.
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Btw the WWE tweet said something like Youtube - Where the big boys play, am sure there’s a petty dig from insecure H in there somewhere
 
shaz619 said:
Rhea Ripley has had no direction as champion for months, doing a title change for shock value doesn’t really point to them doing a good job with the division for me, this is Miss Japan’s second world title and yet she is just another wrestler who can do the spots and isn’t remotely interesting beyond that. It’s not unusual for them to give women the main-event spot and dare I say, it’s not really earned like it use to be, after receiving criticism of his booking of the women’s division, this is their response to that, lets throw them a bone. Keep watching beyond Wrestlemania and you will soon get very familiar with H’s one track booking style; the big Wrestlemania programs are not really his call and Punk/Seth is a feud which sells itself, it has more to to do with how excellent Punk is because he has elevated whoever he works with and this goes back to AEW, if there’s a Punk match or promo you can’t get over then there’s something deeply wrong. On the whole, H struggles to create new stars; he’s more of a coordinator on a ship which is sailing itself, this is how strong WWE’s structure is right now, Nick Khan is more influential and The Rock being a TKO board member has played a huge role in the creative direction of the company on Netflix. Bare in mind this RAW followed one of the most landmark events ever and had even more eyeballs, you take Punk out the show and it’s very stale, I actually think the NXT episode was put together really well.
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It's going to be a three-way and I can't really say I'm that excited about it. Rhea Ripley is the most compelling female wrestler in the business but she is in desperate need of some interesting challengers. The Liv Morgan feud was fine at the start but I feel like they stretched it way too long. It didn't have enough substance to be a nearly year-long storyline.

Night One main-event should be Jey Uso v Gunther. I think the wrestler who wins the Royal Rumble should main-event one of the two nights otherwise what's the point of him winning the Rumble? I remember in 2012 the Rumble felt like a complete afterthought. Sheamus won the Rumble and beat Bryan in 8 seconds on like the first match. It felt like such a waste of that match beyond it being an epic burial of Bryan. Night two main-event should obviously be Cena v Cody.
 
shaz619 said:
Cena’s a hard worker, but Batista’s a more natural across genre’s imo Have you seen Stuber? Cena doesn’t have one comedy performance on that level, if he does I will need to see it
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I actually feel like both have good comic timing. Have you seen Ricky Stanicky? It's a dumb comedy but Cena is really funny in it and easily the highlight. I prefer Batista is more serious roles, where he is playing a minor character but always makes a mark. I hope he starts getting bigger roles too. Out of the two, I think Batista is a superior actor, but I find Cena to be more talented comedically.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
WWE launched a WCW channel on YouTube. And they have already uploaded some pretty cool shows and matches:

youtube.com

WCW

This is where the BIG BOYS play! WCW on YouTube is your destination for full matches, complete WCW pay-per-view events, full episodes of Monday Nitro and Thunder, Clash of the Champions and much more!
youtube.com youtube.com

Any wrestling fan who hasn't seen Flair v Steamboat, Chi-Town Rumble '89 needs to do themselves a favor and watch that classic. It's up on the channel too.
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Awesome.

I didn't get to see much of WCW. When I first started to watch wrestling, WCW was almost gone.
 
sweep_shot said:
Awesome.

I didn't get to see much of WCW. When I first started to watch wrestling, WCW was almost gone.
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Caught up with it over the years. In my opinion, WCW Monday Nitro from 1996-98 is probably the greatest wrestling show ever. It has everything from great wrestling, compelling storylines to that feeling of unpredictability. Its not hard to see why they beat RAW in the ratings for 83 consecutive weeks.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Caught up with it over the years. In my opinion, WCW Monday Nitro from 1996-98 is probably the greatest wrestling show ever. It has everything from great wrestling, compelling storylines to that feeling of unpredictability. Its not hard to see why they beat RAW in the ratings for 83 consecutive weeks.
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Aint ‘83 weeks’ the name of Eric’s podcast or something 🤣😅🙈
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I actually feel like both have good comic timing. Have you seen Ricky Stanicky? It's a dumb comedy but Cena is really funny in it and easily the highlight. I prefer Batista is more serious roles, where he is playing a minor character but always makes a mark. I hope he starts getting bigger roles too. Out of the two, I think Batista is a superior actor, but I find Cena to be more talented comedically.
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I will add that to my list, I’ve only seen Cena in a few movies to be fair so I find it hard to picture him anywhere above Batista who has an impressive resume and a guy I’d happily pay for a ticket to see in a movie and not just pulverise H like scolded dog all over the ring :afridi
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
It's going to be a three-way and I can't really say I'm that excited about it. Rhea Ripley is the most compelling female wrestler in the business but she is in desperate need of some interesting challengers. The Liv Morgan feud was fine at the start but I feel like they stretched it way too long. It didn't have enough substance to be a nearly year-long storyline.

Night One main-event should be Jey Uso v Gunther. I think the wrestler who wins the Royal Rumble should main-event one of the two nights otherwise what's the point of him winning the Rumble? I remember in 2012 the Rumble felt like a complete afterthought. Sheamus won the Rumble and beat Bryan in 8 seconds on like the first match. It felt like such a waste of that match beyond it being an epic burial of Bryan. Night two main-event should obviously be Cena v Cody.
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I agree on Rhea I am there with you, very very minor complaint but he rear sometimes is a little too distracting during her matches. Speaking of compelling women, I would throw Kamille’s name in the hat but an angry with her for signing with AEW at the moment. You are really right though, Rhea is literally the only one who can keep up with / somewhat match the intensity of a Charlotte Flair, they can beat the hell out of each other every week and you’d watch it every time.

You know I agree with that again but when H books the WHC as if he is still an active wrestler and has to veto all attempts off the champion to be presented like a top star we above his capabilities then am not surprised. Am glad you mentioned that squash because I’ve been thinking about it a lot, I think Gunther should crush Jey in a similar manner. Jey will be even more over the next Monday Night, not on Bryan’s level but there will be very upset people. That Sheamus squash was the beginning of the YES Movement, maybe we can get the YEET movement up and running :yk
 
shaz619 said:
Aint ‘83 weeks’ the name of Eric’s podcast or something 🤣😅🙈
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His one claim to fame:afridi1

In all honesty though, my respect for Bischoff grew after seeing the prime years of WCW. Despite all his eff ups he did beat Vince McMahon by producing a superior TV show. It makes me laugh when AEW marks try to argue that Tony is a better booker than Bischoff. Tony couldn't book a logical storyline if his life depended it.
 
shaz619 said:
I agree on Rhea I am there with you, very very minor complaint but he rear sometimes is a little too distracting during her matches. Speaking of compelling women, I would throw Kamille’s name in the hat but an angry with her for signing with AEW at the moment. You are really right though, Rhea is literally the only one who can keep up with / somewhat match the intensity of a Charlotte Flair, they can beat the hell out of each other every week and you’d watch it every time.

You know I agree with that again but when H books the WHC as if he is still an active wrestler and has to veto all attempts off the champion to be presented like a top star we above his capabilities then am not surprised. Am glad you mentioned that squash because I’ve been thinking about it a lot, I think Gunther should crush Jey in a similar manner. Jey will be even more over the next Monday Night, not on Bryan’s level but there will be very upset people. That Sheamus squash was the beginning of the YES Movement, maybe we can get the YEET movement up and running :yk
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Kamille might be in WWE soon enough. Her run in AEW was so weird. It seems like it might be over already.

If they do that I fear Jey will not be as over one year from now. Once you beat someone as hot as Jey like that, to alot of fans it feels like you've given up on that guy. Not everyone is an exceptional talent like Bryan, capable of bouncing back from any situation. Plus, you never know how plans change one year later and who moves up the card. I say strike while the iron is hot and make a star out of Jey. And I say this as someone who is not a fan of his matches at all. He doesn't have to hold the title for more than 140-150 days, but it will be a good litmus test to see if he is actually capable of hanging in the main-event. Could be a good opportunity to turn Gunther face too with him coming to grips with the fact that he isn't as invincible as he thought he was. I think Gunther has cultivated enough respect among the fans where they are ready to cheer him.
 
shaz619 said:
Cena’s a hard worker, but Batista’s a more natural across genre’s imo Have you seen Stuber? Cena doesn’t have one comedy performance on that level, if he does I will need to see it
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In serious roles, Batista has the edge. I have watched Stuber. Cena was pretty awesome in Ricky Stanicky. Carried the whole film on his shoulders with physical comedy (a bit like how Jim Carrey would make average movies pretty funny)
 
shaz619 said:
I have to admit that I am the same, I’ve even turned into a regular NXT fan, their women's division is the best in all off wrestling and showcased quiet well, and you got some big stars off the future including Oba Femi & Ricky Saints, WWE have an agreement with TNA who exchange talent through NXT, and that’s how we got the Hardy Boyz back on WWE TV after many years. Next week NXT will be held at the MSG Theatre, big show, Undertaker is scheduled to make an appearance. The only annoying thing is, the women are so good that Jealous H steals the talent from Shawn Michaels, and then because H is clueless, he doesn’t know how to book the women on the main roster who are all starting to complain now.
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Wasn't Big show with AEW?
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
It's going to be a three-way and I can't really say I'm that excited about it. Rhea Ripley is the most compelling female wrestler in the business but she is in desperate need of some interesting challengers. The Liv Morgan feud was fine at the start but I feel like they stretched it way too long. It didn't have enough substance to be a nearly year-long storyline.

Night One main-event should be Jey Uso v Gunther. I think the wrestler who wins the Royal Rumble should main-event one of the two nights otherwise what's the point of him winning the Rumble? I remember in 2012 the Rumble felt like a complete afterthought. Sheamus won the Rumble and beat Bryan in 8 seconds on like the first match. It felt like such a waste of that match beyond it being an epic burial of Bryan. Night two main-event should obviously be Cena v Cody.
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The thing is its Mania and you need to put together a feud or match that people desperately want to see to headline. Neither Gunther nor Jey are in that category yet and their feud isn't like Batista Triple H of 2006 which would make everyone rooting for the underdog. Punk vs Roman vs Seth will mainevent the first night cause Roman and Punk are the big draws and people want to wait for their match which is why i dislike the Rumble winner here in Jey especially after him recently having a 3-4 match losing streak against Gunther.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Caught up with it over the years. In my opinion, WCW Monday Nitro from 1996-98 is probably the greatest wrestling show ever. It has everything from great wrestling, compelling storylines to that feeling of unpredictability. Its not hard to see why they beat RAW in the ratings for 83 consecutive weeks.
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Haven't seen WCW 96-98 apart from some big matches and feuds. But I don't know if anything can beat WWF 98-2001 which I followed in real time back then.
 
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