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shaz619 said:
I think when the Rock came back for the first time in years he was his normal charismatic self & everything leading up to WM 27 was great.

However, as good the build was for WM 28, I don’t know if it was a worked shoot or not, but the Rock’s scripted characterisation of a face from Hollywood didn’t quiet hit the mark, it wasn’t terrible but Cena just destroyed him on the mic.
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Cena did destroy Dwayne on mic but the way Cena has that apologistic tone about all that once the feud was over tells me there might have been a general direction from Vince to have Cena get the last laugh in the promos (maybe) and Cena said it in interviews multiple times that he stepped over the lines a lot during their promos and got personal with Dwayne which he shouldn't have and it could have turned ugly had Dwayne not remained professional.
So can't really say what really happened. But The Rock from AE was not the The Rock we got later on. And a lot of fans also underrated Cena's skills on mic. Think Cena can hang with all the greatest names on mic be it Piper, Savage, Rock, Austin, Dusty etc
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Cena did destroy Dwayne on mic but the way Cena has that apologistic tone about all that once the feud was over tells me there might have been a general direction from Vince to have Cena get the last laugh in the promos (maybe) and Cena said it in interviews multiple times that he stepped over the lines a lot during their promos and got personal with Dwayne which he shouldn't have and it could have turned ugly had Dwayne not remained professional.
So can't really say what really happened. But The Rock from AE was not the The Rock we got later on. And a lot of fans also underrated Cena's skills on mic. Think Cena can hang with all the greatest names on mic be it Piper, Savage, Rock, Austin, Dusty etc
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In 2011, Rock was still better than Cena.

But, over the past few years, Cena has gone past Rock.

I think Cena is now the greatest pro-wrestler of all time. He is the 17-time world champion (the highest by any wrestler). He left a strong legacy.
 
Punk Breakker feud has been built up well but I can't look past the fact how this is going to be his first title defense since winning it months ago. Awful booking.
 
Punk-Bron face-to-face was pretty good. Punk was a fantastic (and smart) babyface as always, but I thought this was one of Bron's best promos too. Rollins getting injured has been the best thing that has happened to him. This promo worked in kayfabe and real life because it showed that he is very much ready to be their next big star in every aspect.

Also, random thought but whenever Punk turns heel he will be the biggest heel in the company bar none.
 
sweep_shot said:
In 2011, Rock was still better than Cena.

But, over the past few years, Cena has gone past Rock.

I think Cena is now the greatest pro-wrestler of all time. He is the 17-time world champion (the highest by any wrestler). He left a strong legacy.
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You do realize right that WWE is scripted? So 17 time world champion, which you keep on repeating in every post, is not that important. Cena was great without a doubt but that is due to his overall talent & skills and not necessarily due to how many world titles he held. Egde and Orton has more world titles than Ausin and Rock but no one would rate them better. So longevity and number of titles held means nothing in pro wrestling. That is definitely not the criteria to judge mount rushmore.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Punk-Bron face-to-face was pretty good. Punk was a fantastic (and smart) babyface as always, but I thought this was one of Bron's best promos too. Rollins getting injured has been the best thing that has happened to him. This promo worked in kayfabe and real life because it showed that he is very much ready to be their next big star in every aspect.

Also, random thought but whenever Punk turns heel he will be the biggest heel in the company bar none.
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Honestly as happy as I am for Punk Breakker feud, I still can't get over the fact that Punk started the year with feuding with Rollins and had all of his (90%) of matches messed up by interference of The Vision and he is ending the year while feuding with The Vision still. The feud doesn't seem to have an end. Having Austin Theory cost Punk the Wargames match was nonsensical. I won't be surprised if Rollins end up interfering in the Punk Bron match either. Although Bron getting a main event push is a glimmer of good in all this braindead year for the Vision, I am not sure if Punk is going to finish his feud with The Vision anytime soon. The only good thing currently is that Logan and others have for once taken a back seat. I haven't followed WWE as much as i used to this month, and I still don't know why Theory has joined the vision. Has it been explained yet?

The only match that wasn't affected by the brainless vision was the Punk-Gunther match and it was a fantastic match but it only lasted 2 mins before the idiot made his entrance and cashed in.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Punk-Bron face-to-face was pretty good. Punk was a fantastic (and smart) babyface as always, but I thought this was one of Bron's best promos too. Rollins getting injured has been the best thing that has happened to him. This promo worked in kayfabe and real life because it showed that he is very much ready to be their next big star in every aspect.

Also, random thought but whenever Punk turns heel he will be the biggest heel in the company bar none.
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I am dreading if he ends up joining the vision after turning heel. You can expect anything from nose booking.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Cena did destroy Dwayne on mic but the way Cena has that apologistic tone about all that once the feud was over tells me there might have been a general direction from Vince to have Cena get the last laugh in the promos (maybe) and Cena said it in interviews multiple times that he stepped over the lines a lot during their promos and got personal with Dwayne which he shouldn't have and it could have turned ugly had Dwayne not remained professional.
So can't really say what really happened. But The Rock from AE was not the The Rock we got later on. And a lot of fans also underrated Cena's skills on mic. Think Cena can hang with all the greatest names on mic be it Piper, Savage, Rock, Austin, Dusty etc
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The Rock was a much bigger box-office draw than Cena ever was, but it's a weird comparison because they are two completely different eras.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Honestly as happy as I am for Punk Breakker feud, I still can't get over the fact that Punk started the year with feuding with Rollins and had all of his (90%) of matches messed up by interference of The Vision and he is ending the year while feuding with The Vision still. The feud doesn't seem to have an end. Having Austin Theory cost Punk the Wargames match was nonsensical. I won't be surprised if Rollins end up interfering in the Punk Bron match either. Although Bron getting a main event push is a glimmer of good in all this braindead year for the Vision, I am not sure if Punk is going to finish his feud with The Vision anytime soon. The only good thing currently is that Logan and others have for once taken a back seat. I haven't followed WWE as much as i used to this month, and I still don't know why Theory has joined the vision. Has it been explained yet?

The only match that wasn't affected by the brainless vision was the Punk-Gunther match and it was a fantastic match but it only lasted 2 mins before the idiot made his entrance and cashed in.
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He pinned Rey and won them the tag match last week, which I guess proved to Heyman and The Vision that he was ready to join the team.
 
Bro angling for a WrestleMania payday but he probably shouldn't because this match is good as an idea idea only. In execution it will probably be a terrible. Though I think they will probably turn Jey heel long before that so we can get the mat-classic sequel we've all been waiting for: Uso v Uso II: Electric Boogaloo - 'this time it's personal'

I'm sure TKO is already counting the millions these two brothers will draw for their epic showdown :money :floyd

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Seems like Reigns and Heyman didn't really care much for H and were okay going over his head directly to Vince because they knew who was really in-charge even if H was the 'head of creative.' I was not a fan of this WrestleMania 39 finish at the time but in hindsight, it goes without saying that Cody's win at 40 definitely meant much more with that whole arc of him losing to Reigns the year before.

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RedwoodOriginal said:
The Rock was a much bigger box-office draw than Cena ever was, but it's a weird comparison because they are two completely different eras.
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Yes The Rock and Austin both eclipse Cena as the draws. In terms of longevity, Cena is ahead of them. But then Austin grinded on the indies, WCW and WWF undercard for years before getting his big break as Stone Cold. But Dwayne definitely had a very short run in pro wrestling full time. 6-7 years.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Bro angling for a WrestleMania payday but he probably shouldn't because this match is good as an idea idea only. In execution it will probably be a terrible. Though I think they will probably turn Jey heel long before that so we can get the mat-classic sequel we've all been waiting for: Uso v Uso II: Electric Boogaloo - 'this time it's personal'

I'm sure TKO is already counting the millions these two brothers will draw for their epic showdown :money :floyd

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A triple threat match with Hardyz vs Usos vs New Day would still be pretty good especially if it's a TLC or Ladder match.
But New Day isn't the same without Big E even though Kofi is their maverick. Jeff can still work. Not sure about Matt.
Would be better if Lucha Bros or Fraxiom gets added to it. Mania definitely needs 1 multimen stipulation match.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Seems like Reigns and Heyman didn't really care much for H and were okay going over his head directly to Vince because they knew who was really in-charge even if H was the 'head of creative.' I was not a fan of this WrestleMania 39 finish at the time but in hindsight, it goes without saying that Cody's win at 40 definitely meant much more with that whole arc of him losing to Reigns the year before.

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In hindsight, a standard wrestling match wouldn't have done justice to finally ending that 1300+ days run as champion of the Tribal Chief.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
A triple threat match with Hardyz vs Usos vs New Day would still be pretty good especially if it's a TLC or Ladder match.
But New Day isn't the same without Big E even though Kofi is their maverick. Jeff can still work. Not sure about Matt.
Would be better if Lucha Bros or Fraxiom gets added to it. Mania definitely needs 1 multimen stipulation match.
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The Hardyz are broken down and past their prime. They can probably still work a coherent straight wrestling match with a bit of smoke and mirrors, but they cannot and should not be working ladder/TLC matches at their age. Especially Jeff with his history of injuries and addiction. New Day have been run into the ground with the booking. There was an opportunity to do something interesting with them when they turned heel, but that moment has long passed. Whereas, The Usos are two of the worst workers in the business.

Also, putting the tag belts on them again makes zero sense considering the time they spent trying to build Jey up as a singles star. Which is why I think that they are probably using this as a pretext for Jey turning heel, which they have already teased plenty of times.

Tag division should be focused around fresh and up-and-coming tag teams rather than teams who have already had their moment in the sun plenty of times.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
The Hardyz are broken down and past their prime. They can probably still work a coherent straight wrestling match with a bit of smoke and mirrors, but they cannot and should not be working ladder/TLC matches at their age. Especially Jeff with his history of injuries and addiction. New Day have been run into the ground with the booking. There was an opportunity to do something interesting with them when they turned heel, but that moment has long passed. Whereas, The Usos are two of the worst workers in the business.

Also, putting the tag belts on them again makes zero sense considering the time they spent trying to build Jey up as a singles star. Which is why I think that they are probably using this as a pretext for Jey turning heel, which they have already teased plenty of times.

Tag division should be focused around fresh and up-and-coming tag teams rather than teams who have already had their moment in the sun plenty of times.
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The booking is rarely coherent in WWE these days so I am not sure what they are upto. And whatever they are usually upto, it seldom worked in the last one year or so. Hardyz had a few pretty good tag team matches this year in TNA and NXT. I don't know about Jey turning heel, as likely as that sounds, the guy should be kept away from being a singles wrestler. The Usos are a fine tag team though although age is catching up with them fast. New Day had some ignition with that heel turn but their heel turn was just used as a moment without a plan to follow it up with something. New Day are fine workers but without Big E their tag team gets a bit stale (3 guys gave different combinations that kept their match structures fresh) and their new heel characters are as generic as random jobbers from Heat or Velocity.
With a better booker at helm, they could still do a one time only great legacy (era vs era) match between Hardyz and New Day or Usos but it's out of question with all the damage Nose has done with his booking. The only reason Hardyz still feel the best placed out of the three is because they actually are legends and secondly they haven't been subjected to awful Nose booking as they have only worked for TNA and NXT.
Let's not forget there's no one atm whose story arc actually looks interesting in WWE. Roman, Cody, Randy, Punk all seem to be floating without much direction atm. I am not sure if there's a plan for Punk whether he retains or loses the title to Bron next week.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
The booking is rarely coherent in WWE these days so I am not sure what they are upto. And whatever they are usually upto, it seldom worked in the last one year or so. Hardyz had a few pretty good tag team matches this year in TNA and NXT. I don't know about Jey turning heel, as likely as that sounds, the guy should be kept away from being a singles wrestler. The Usos are a fine tag team though although age is catching up with them fast. New Day had some ignition with that heel turn but their heel turn was just used as a moment without a plan to follow it up with something. New Day are fine workers but without Big E their tag team gets a bit stale (3 guys gave different combinations that kept their match structures fresh) and their new heel characters are as generic as random jobbers from Heat or Velocity.
With a better booker at helm, they could still do a one time only great legacy (era vs era) match between Hardyz and New Day or Usos but it's out of question with all the damage Nose has done with his booking. The only reason Hardyz still feel the best placed out of the three is because they actually are legends and secondly they haven't been subjected to awful Nose booking as they have only worked for TNA and NXT.
Let's not forget there's no one atm whose story arc actually looks interesting in WWE. Roman, Cody, Randy, Punk all seem to be floating without much direction atm. I am not sure if there's a plan for Punk whether he retains or loses the title to Bron next week.
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Bro nobody cares about this match or wants to see it besides you. I have seen The Hardyz work these kinds of matches in AEW and I was usually feeling sorry for them by the end of them because they always seemed like they were in alot of pain... and that was 3 years ago. New Day are glorified jobbers based on their booking, nobody takes them seriously. They won the tag belts at WrestleMania and what have they done with them since? And Jey is one of their main single stars who they are not willing to give up on just yet.

Also everything can't be booked around 'legends'. I know you're a mark for the old days but it's time to move on becayse that time has passed. It's in nobody's best interests to have the Hardy Boyz going through tables and falling off ladders at their age, and their history of taking such bumps. If Triple H ever gets his head out his a$$ he will find out that WWE actually has quite a few decent tag teams like Motor City Machine Guns, Fraxiom, DIY, Lucha Brothers (if they reunite), but he's a moron who doesn't know how to book tag team wrestling, so it won't make a difference anyway.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Bro nobody cares about this match or wants to see it besides you. I have seen The Hardyz work these kinds of matches in AEW and I was usually feeling sorry for them by the end of them because they always seemed like they were in alot of pain... and that was 3 years ago. New Day are glorified jobbers based on their booking, nobody takes them seriously. They won the tag belts at WrestleMania and what have they done with them since? And Jey is one of their main single stars who they are not willing to give up on just yet.

Also everything can't be booked around 'legends'. I know you're a mark for the old days but it's time to move on becayse that time has passed. It's in nobody's best interests to have the Hardy Boyz going through tables and falling off ladders at their age, and their history of taking such bumps. If Triple H ever gets his head out his a$$ he will find out that WWE actually has quite a few decent tag teams like Motor City Machine Guns, Fraxiom, DIY, Lucha Brothers (if they reunite), but he's a moron who doesn't know how to book tag team wrestling, so it won't make a difference anyway.
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I said the same thing too that New Day's been booked to be jobbers. Like I said, doing a Hardyz vs Fraxiom vs Lucha Bros vs DIY or Usos would actually be an entertaining match. Hardyz are in pain and Matt wasn't even a great singles wrestler ever. Jeff can't move like he used to for over a decade now. And I'd rather see Jeff as a singles wrestler in WWE provided he stays sober (seems unlikely as he's always needed Matt around)

I was saying with the current creative and the nonsensical booking, I won't be surprised if Usos are sent back to tag division on a more permanent basis because booking hasn't been making sense for last year or so.
 
WWE has fallen quite far down since Elimination Chamber 2025. And it's a shame that main roster peaked so early in 2025 and it was dragged to watchable level on the back of Cena (top card) and Dominik (mid card). Tagteam division received non existent booking in 2025.
 
@shaz619 As much as we talk about the MJF feud and the Collision run, this was one of the real gems of that Punk AEW run. Not even MJF went toe-to-toe with Punk on the mic like this, and came out looking stronger than him. But that's Eddie Kingston for you. The guy is just real. It's a shame he won't ever reach the big-time for obvious reasons, but he is without a doubt one of the best in biz on the mic. Yet another guy, along with Darby and Ricky, that Cody championed for to get signed to AEW.

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That’s funny, Taker clearly didn’t spend last 10 years on social media so it was refreshing to see a real human reaction to that Tokyo joke lol

But CCV messed up, Meltzer did give Taker a 5* match! It was BB 97 - The first HIAC!

And given the territory he was bought up in and guys he idolised, it’s one mans opinion but off course he was going to be bothered! He had so much pride about being perfect in the ring for a big guy.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
@shaz619 As much as we talk about the MJF feud and the Collision run, this was one of the real gems of that Punk AEW run. Not even MJF went toe-to-toe with Punk on the mic like this, and came out looking stronger than him. But that's Eddie Kingston for you. The guy is just real. It's a shame he won't ever reach the big-time for obvious reasons, but he is without a doubt one of the best in biz on the mic. Yet another guy, along with Darby and Ricky, that Cody championed for to get signed to AEW.

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Punk was very unselfish, a lot like Cena when he was on top, he gave these guys a free reign & freedom to say their peace, obviously that dumb F took it too far with the politics, but he helped showcase what watching AEW should be as an alternative, I am not a huge fan of Eddie’s ring work but I sympathised and felt connected to his character here. I feel all those who worked with Punk, that was the peak of their AEW run.
 
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This & that tweet from MJF on that clown got me LOL

Becky quietly had one of the best years in women’s wrestling in a long time:

- You just love to hate her character, her work has been brilliant this year and getting a new gimmick over isn’t easy, she has genuine heat wherever she travels.

- Every feud or rivalry she has been involved with has been engaging, not perfect every time, but she has done her very best with material she was given.

- She helped shine a light on new talent and got stars such as Maxxine over, this is the most important thing for me, this is the quality of a true great and that’s not just sports illustrated saying, am saying it to
:yk Yeah you’re good, but who have you made?

- Still smooth in the ring and has a 🔥 entrance / theme.

- 10x the talent her husband will ever be.
 
shaz619 said:
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This & that tweet from MJF on that clown got me LOL

Becky quietly had one of the best years in women’s wrestling in a long time:

- You just love to hate her character, her work has been brilliant this year and getting a new gimmick over isn’t easy, she has genuine heat wherever she travels.

- Every feud or rivalry she has been involved with has been engaging, not perfect every time, but she has done her very best with material she was given.

- She helped shine a light on new talent and got stars such as Maxxine over, this is the most important thing for me, this is the quality of a true great and that’s not just sports illustrated saying, am saying it to
:yk Yeah you’re good, but who have you made?

- Still smooth in the ring and has a 🔥 entrance / theme.

- 10x the talent her husband will ever be.
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I don't rate her that highly on promos, but in the ring she is one of the best female wrestlers ever. Even her character work I enjoy, but she just doesn't do it for me on promos. Agree that she has had an excellent year. To put the shine on someone as limited as Maxxine takes talent. She managed to elevate her without damaging her own credibility. But I think Maxxine's moment in the sun should end next week on RAW
 
shaz619 said:
Punk was very unselfish, a lot like Cena when he was on top, he gave these guys a free reign & freedom to say their peace, obviously that dumb F took it too far with the politics, but he helped showcase what watching AEW should be as an alternative, I am not a huge fan of Eddie’s ring work but I sympathised and felt connected to his character here. I feel all those who worked with Punk, that was the peak of their AEW run.
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He's too enamored by the All Japan/King's Road style of wrestling which a) doesn't translate well to U.S TV wrestling, and b) he doesn't have the endurance/fitness/age to properly emulate. He's at his best when he's working as a brawler, which is what he should be anyway. But as a personality and on the mic he feels more real than most wrestlers these days.

I'm glad we got to see this feud before Punk left AEW because this was definitely one of those 'dream matches.' And from what I recall, the match was fantastic too. It wasn't even a wrestling match, but a straight up fight between two guys who hated each other in kayfabe.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I don't rate her that highly on promos, but in the ring she is one of the best female wrestlers ever. Even her character work I enjoy, but she just doesn't do it for me on promos. Agree that she has had an excellent year. To put the shine on someone as limited as Maxxine takes talent. She managed to elevate her without damaging her own credibility. But I think Maxxine's moment in the sun should end next week on RAW
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I thought the sae about Maxxine - as green as the tree’s, what have her & Natayla been doing in the dungeon exactly ? Having tea parties ? BUT, I didn’t mind her getting a push because it’s in the mid-card and they are treating the secondary titles as mid card belts, and this elevates Becky’s year getting such a talent over & Maxxine has done well to embrace the underdog role; but I can’t imagine her run will be lengthy when you consider the talent waiting in the wings in NXT
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
He's too enamored by the All Japan/King's Road style of wrestling which a) doesn't translate well to U.S TV wrestling, and b) he doesn't have the endurance/fitness/age to properly emulate. He's at his best when he's working as a brawler, which is what he should be anyway. But as a personality and on the mic he feels more real than most wrestlers these days.

I'm glad we got to see this feud before Punk left AEW because this was definitely one of those 'dream matches.' And from what I recall, the match was fantastic too. It wasn't even a wrestling match, but a straight up fight between two guys who hated each other in kayfabe.
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Kenny was more of an athlete & even he did not work a traditional Japanese style, very few Americans have adapted to it successfully & he should have idolised those who did it very well as well, if he stopped being a mark, he could have been a decent brawler. But that was probably his best match and was everything it needed to be, a fight like you said.
 
shaz619 said:
That’s funny, Taker clearly didn’t spend last 10 years on social media so it was refreshing to see a real human reaction to that Tokyo joke lol

But CCV messed up, Meltzer did give Taker a 5* match! It was BB 97 - The first HIAC!

And given the territory he was bought up in and guys he idolised, it’s one mans opinion but off course he was going to be bothered! He had so much pride about being perfect in the ring for a big guy.
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He's already one of the top 10 wrestlers of all time. He's influenced more guys to take up wrestling than many others. The book of his work is a complete A to Z of prowrestling. People are going to learn a lot more about wrestling by watching his work than reading a random journalist's star ratings. Taker himself said, "What does Meltzer know about wrestling? How many bumps did he take?"
 
shaz619 said:
Kenny was more of an athlete & even he did not work a traditional Japanese style, very few Americans have adapted to it successfully & he should have idolised those who did it very well as well, if he stopped being a mark, he could have been a decent brawler. But that was probably his best match and was everything it needed to be, a fight like you said.
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Kenny's body has taken so much of a beating that he can't stay fit for a few months any more.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I don't rate her that highly on promos, but in the ring she is one of the best female wrestlers ever. Even her character work I enjoy, but she just doesn't do it for me on promos. Agree that she has had an excellent year. To put the shine on someone as limited as Maxxine takes talent. She managed to elevate her without damaging her own credibility. But I think Maxxine's moment in the sun should end next week on RAW
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Her best promos were around the 2018-2020 time. Once she came back in 2021, she was lacking that x factor that were previously there.
And it's actually great for once for big names to be fighting over mid card titles and elevating them in a process so that once a smaller name wins it, there is some prestige to it.
 
Am I the only one who always found Ric Flair overrated? He had limited wrestling skills.

Guys like Rock, Cena etc. were better wrestlers in my opinion. They had better mic skills too.
 
sweep_shot said:
Am I the only one who always found Ric Flair overrated? He had limited wrestling skills.

Guys like Rock, Cena etc. were better wrestlers in my opinion. They had better mic skills too.
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That's because you're judging Ric based on 2002-2008. Ric was 53 when he got to WWE... his career should have been long over at that point and yet he still managed to squeeze out 6 years in WWE (a couple more in TNA) where he was part of fantastic storylines, angles, matches, feuds.

As far as I am concerned, Ric is the GOAT. Because Ric was the total package. He looked good, he could talk, he could wrestle, he drew money in every market, he could go 60 minutes, and he lived the gimmick. Today’s wrestlers b*tch about a 4-day work week. At his peak he wrestled 30 days straight with 2 days off and then another 30. That would include double shots on Saturdays and Sundays and monthly trips to Japan. He would leave Sunday evening after a house show of whatever territory he was working and would fly to Japan on the red eye, wrestle on Monday night in Japan, then fly back to the US in time to wrestle in Portland or San Francisco. He did all this while also partying like an animal. The party only stopped for the wrestling.

Nobody has had more longevity than him. Longevity as in being on top as champion, being the main draw of the territory he was working, and being part of high-quality wrestling matches and feuds. 16-time World Champ (probably won more), your favorite wrestler's favorite wrestler, he was, as he himself put it, "the measuring stick", and probably still is today. That's why he is the GOAT.

If you want to get an idea of what peak Flair looked like go check out any of his matches with Ricky Steamboat. My personal favorite is the match they had at Chi-Town Rumble 1989.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
That's because you're judging Ric based on 2002-2008. Ric was 53 when he got to WWE... his career should have been long over at that point and yet he still managed to squeeze out 6 years in WWE (a couple more in TNA) where he was part of fantastic storylines, angles, matches, feuds.

As far as I am concerned, Ric is the GOAT. Because Ric was the total package. He looked good, he could talk, he could wrestle, he drew money in every market, he could go 60 minutes, and he lived the gimmick. Today’s wrestlers b*tch about a 4-day work week. At his peak he wrestled 30 days straight with 2 days off and then another 30. That would include double shots on Saturdays and Sundays and monthly trips to Japan. He would leave Sunday evening after a house show of whatever territory he was working and would fly to Japan on the red eye, wrestle on Monday night in Japan, then fly back to the US in time to wrestle in Portland or San Francisco. He did all this while also partying like an animal. The party only stopped for the wrestling.

Nobody has had more longevity than him. Longevity as in being on top as champion, being the main draw of the territory he was working, and being part of high-quality wrestling matches and feuds. 16-time World Champ (probably won more), your favorite wrestler's favorite wrestler, he was, as he himself put it, "the measuring stick", and probably still is today. That's why he is the GOAT.

If you want to get an idea of what peak Flair looked like go check out any of his matches with Ricky Steamboat. My personal favorite is the match they had at Chi-Town Rumble 1989.
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I have just watched the 1989 match (Steamboat vs Flair). It seems like Flair was again slow/average there. Steamboat outwrestled him.

I guess Flair had good charisma and good mic skills. That was his biggest strength. He was average in terms of wrestling abilities.

This is why I do not consider Flair as the greatest. I think Hogan, Undertaker, and Cena are better candidates for being the greatest.

 
sweep_shot said:
I have just watched the 1989 match (Steamboat vs Flair). It seems like Flair was again slow/average there. Steamboat outwrestled him.

I guess Flair had good charisma and good mic skills. That was his biggest strength. He was average in terms of wrestling abilities.

This is why I do not consider Flair as the greatest. I think Hogan, Undertaker, and Cena are better candidates for being the greatest.

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This match is arguably one of the greatest wrestling matches of all-time; as much because of Flair, as it is because of Steamboat. So I have no idea what you're talking about.
 
sweep_shot said:
I have just watched the 1989 match (Steamboat vs Flair). It seems like Flair was again slow/average there. Steamboat outwrestled him.

I guess Flair had good charisma and good mic skills. That was his biggest strength. He was average in terms of wrestling abilities.

This is why I do not consider Flair as the greatest. I think Hogan, Undertaker, and Cena are better candidates for being the greatest.

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That's because of the face-heel dyanmic. In 80s, it was still the heel's role to slow the match down and face to get them up on their feet. If you look at Cena's heel run, he was voluntarily slowing his matches down on purpose based on the similar in ring psychology. It wasn't until the late 90s with more high flyers and lucha libres finding success in US market, that they started to let heel work a little differently. The watershed moment for a breakdown in that psychology was either The Bret-Austin match or The Rock-Hogan match (Mania), In Bret Austin match, it was already planned that Austin would turn face after the end and Bret would turn heel and the pacing of the match was executed perfectly in that regard.
Regarding the Hogan Rock match, I am sure it was already decided that Hogan would turn face after the match, but throughout the match Rock basically worked as a heel for the fans in attendance as they pretty much booed his offense. Rock wrestled his regular style (he was too agile and quick for his size back then) and for the fans in attendance, it was very much the heel whilst Hogan wrestled his heelish style of NWO yet was being cheered on heavily. It sort of broke a lot of barriers for the top guys at the biggest stage in the US prowrestling market.
I am sure ECW was operating differently way back with different dynamics (Heel and faces) and wrestling styles but it was mainly a Philly based small-ish wrestling company.

Ric could certainly wrestle as the face and as a face he would move pretty quickly and slightly alter his style.

When it comes to the GOAT, i think its a subjective thing for everyone. But Flair is the favorite of overwhelming majority of pro wrestlers and legends. Guys like Taker, Rock etc have often named him as their favorite.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
That's because you're judging Ric based on 2002-2008. Ric was 53 when he got to WWE... his career should have been long over at that point and yet he still managed to squeeze out 6 years in WWE (a couple more in TNA) where he was part of fantastic storylines, angles, matches, feuds.

As far as I am concerned, Ric is the GOAT. Because Ric was the total package. He looked good, he could talk, he could wrestle, he drew money in every market, he could go 60 minutes, and he lived the gimmick. Today’s wrestlers b*tch about a 4-day work week. At his peak he wrestled 30 days straight with 2 days off and then another 30. That would include double shots on Saturdays and Sundays and monthly trips to Japan. He would leave Sunday evening after a house show of whatever territory he was working and would fly to Japan on the red eye, wrestle on Monday night in Japan, then fly back to the US in time to wrestle in Portland or San Francisco. He did all this while also partying like an animal. The party only stopped for the wrestling.

Nobody has had more longevity than him. Longevity as in being on top as champion, being the main draw of the territory he was working, and being part of high-quality wrestling matches and feuds. 16-time World Champ (probably won more), your favorite wrestler's favorite wrestler, he was, as he himself put it, "the measuring stick", and probably still is today. That's why he is the GOAT.

If you want to get an idea of what peak Flair looked like go check out any of his matches with Ricky Steamboat. My personal favorite is the match they had at Chi-Town Rumble 1989.
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It's astonishing how the sports science and fitness has progressed. You look at the guys like AJ, Lashley, Rey, Edge, Shelton, (even Y2J till 50), they been wrestling like they haven't lost a step. Flair was well past his prime by late 90s.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
He could have signed with WWE. But then he'd have to deal with a tone deaf creatively handicapped booker. TNA wouldn't have paid him as much.
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I'm sure he's one of AEW's highest paid wrestlers and also seems to be raising his profile in Hollywood in the meantime. If and when the time comes to go to WWE, he will go there as main-eventer. Right now, staying in AEW might be the best thing for him. He is one of the few people who regularly draw ratings and he's involved in main-event feuds and angles, and seems to have alot of creative control too. Not to mention, now he has the World Champion again. I feel like this is much better than going to WWE right now and being booked into the ground by 4/10.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
That man is a walking talking promo machine! :ROFLMAO:

Why hasn't this incident been included in a feud in either WWE, TNA or AEW yet?
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I think some things are entertaining enough on their own that you don't need to expand on it anymore..

It's all there lol

Hopefully they can locate the Egyptian :kp
 
sweep_shot said:
I have just watched the 1989 match (Steamboat vs Flair). It seems like Flair was again slow/average there. Steamboat outwrestled him.

I guess Flair had good charisma and good mic skills. That was his biggest strength. He was average in terms of wrestling abilities.

This is why I do not consider Flair as the greatest. I think Hogan, Undertaker, and Cena are better candidates for being the greatest.

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Watch the entire trilogy, honestly I feel their matches hold up in any era, they had flow & Steamboat looked every bit as good as he did because of Flair & vice versa.

Flair never had to do a lot because he could bump so well & had a high IQ which was built around his superb character work.

For me, if you ask me the top 10 in history, no.3 - no.10 will always be different depending on the week etc

But I honestly cannot see beyond Ric Flair who put wrestling on the map & Shawn Michaels who perfected everything Ric did.

Ric also crossed over to the main stream and his popularity exceeded that of Hogan’s in the 21’s century, it’s safe to say his legacy is just rock solid, you devise any metric & he was king in each one. I would put Savage up there to, but as @RedwoodOriginal said, he was your favourite wrestlers favourite wrestler, The Rock, Shawn, Austin etc you don’t get them without Ric, he inspired multiple generations.

I think even past his prime Ric could still be Ric when he was allowed to be & he was involved in so many fun matches:

- Only Ric would have agreed to MITB 2 in 2006 & a TLC with Edge at his age!

- Bad Blood 2004 with Shawn was great, and the final match they had was voted match of the century by the PWI

- He managed to carry Trips in a couple of matches they had for the WHC & that Taboo Tuesday Cage match I believe.

- That match against Taker at WM was fantastic, it restored his confidence after being buried in WCW

Any match you watch of his, he bought drama, it doesn’t look like he’s doing much, but you don’t realise that you’re sucked in.

See the documentary ESPN or WWE have done on his career, he epitomised the entire business of pro-wrestling itself and universally regarded as the greatest by all rival publications.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
One of the only stars in AEW left..
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Makes me want to tune into his stuff again. Look MJF was MJF before he ever got to AEW, but he’s still 1 more star which Tony helped elevate to a degree then anything 4/10 is capable off. The Triple B is the most beautiful belt in wrestling to and just feels like it belongs around the waist of a true star. He should never lose, let MJF have his own reign of terror; except he”ll get it over better than the pretender ever did. But AEW seldom gives lengthy reigns, pros & cons to it but they need to fire on all cylinders with him now because business should matter to at some point for the mark.

Also check this:

ewrestling.com

Backstage News On Whether AEW Has Plans To Develop Another Video Game - eWrestling | WWE, AEW News

Backstage News On Whether AEW Has Plans To Develop Another Video Game
ewrestling.com ewrestling.com

What I find so amusing is that the mark is so upset with how much £££££ he lost with the video game that he is scared to make another, but he’s happy to write blank cheques for talent in his little Disney Land, sorry, not talent but his Action Figures.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I'm sure he's one of AEW's highest paid wrestlers and also seems to be raising his profile in Hollywood in the meantime. If and when the time comes to go to WWE, he will go there as main-eventer. Right now, staying in AEW might be the best thing for him. He is one of the few people who regularly draw ratings and he's involved in main-event feuds and angles, and seems to have alot of creative control too. Not to mention, now he has the World Champion again. I feel like this is much better than going to WWE right now and being booked into the ground by 4/10.
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The only problem is the lack of stars in AEW. He's probably done all there is to achieve in AEW. AEW isn't increasing its profile. For example, The Dynamite and Collision combined taping that they did in November at my Uni had max 3k capacity and a lot of them went empty. They should have expanded their audience by now. But I think it's similar to where it was when it started. It definitely peaked in 2021 or early 2022. But it's still not reached that level again.
 
shaz619 said:
Makes me want to tune into his stuff again. Look MJF was MJF before he ever got to AEW, but he’s still 1 more star which Tony helped elevate to a degree then anything 4/10 is capable off. The Triple B is the most beautiful belt in wrestling to and just feels like it belongs around the waist of a true star. He should never lose, let MJF have his own reign of terror; except he”ll get it over better than the pretender ever did. But AEW seldom gives lengthy reigns, pros & cons to it but they need to fire on all cylinders with him now because business should matter to at some point for the mark.

Also check this:

ewrestling.com

Backstage News On Whether AEW Has Plans To Develop Another Video Game - eWrestling | WWE, AEW News

Backstage News On Whether AEW Has Plans To Develop Another Video Game
ewrestling.com ewrestling.com

What I find so amusing is that the mark is so upset with how much £££££ he lost with the video game that he is scared to make another, but he’s happy to write blank cheques for talent in his little Disney Land, sorry, not talent but his Action Figures.
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I tuned into some of the stuff when Mox was the champ a year or so ago, and it legit felt like it had been going on for years? How long did Mox's recent reign actually last btw?
 
shaz619 said:
Watch the entire trilogy, honestly I feel their matches hold up in any era, they had flow & Steamboat looked every bit as good as he did because of Flair & vice versa.

Flair never had to do a lot because he could bump so well & had a high IQ which was built around his superb character work.

For me, if you ask me the top 10 in history, no.3 - no.10 will always be different depending on the week etc

But I honestly cannot see beyond Ric Flair who put wrestling on the map & Shawn Michaels who perfected everything Ric did.

Ric also crossed over to the main stream and his popularity exceeded that of Hogan’s in the 21’s century, it’s safe to say his legacy is just rock solid, you devise any metric & he was king in each one. I would put Savage up there to, but as @RedwoodOriginal said, he was your favourite wrestlers favourite wrestler, The Rock, Shawn, Austin etc you don’t get them without Ric, he inspired multiple generations.

I think even past his prime Ric could still be Ric when he was allowed to be & he was involved in so many fun matches:

- Only Ric would have agreed to MITB 2 in 2006 & a TLC with Edge at his age!

- Bad Blood 2004 with Shawn was great, and the final match they had was voted match of the century by the PWI

- He managed to carry Trips in a couple of matches they had for the WHC & that Taboo Tuesday Cage match I believe.

- That match against Taker at WM was fantastic, it restored his confidence after being buried in WCW

Any match you watch of his, he bought drama, it doesn’t look like he’s doing much, but you don’t realise that you’re sucked in.

See the documentary ESPN or WWE have done on his career, he epitomised the entire business of pro-wrestling itself and universally regarded as the greatest by all rival publications.
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Man Savage, the more I watch him, the higher he goes on my list. The complete wrestler. Hogan and Flair all have their superfans. But rarely do people bring Savage's name in the highest echelon. A technical mastermind. And his promos hold to this day. Whether as a face or a heel, you could still quote his promos to this day. Arguably the completest wrestler ever.
I lol out every time I hear "There's lust in your eyes Hogan"
 
BunnyRabbit said:
It's astonishing how the sports science and fitness has progressed. You look at the guys like AJ, Lashley, Rey, Edge, Shelton, (even Y2J till 50), they been wrestling like they haven't lost a step. Flair was well past his prime by late 90s.
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I can't say I agree with that at all. Flair had a pretty good decade in the 90s eventhough it may not compare with his work in the 70s and 80s. His run to reclaim the World title from Vader at Starrcade was a fantastic story and lead to one of his best matches. His run in the WWF with the 'Real World Championship' was great. He won the Rumble coming in at 2, had that feud with Savage, not to mention a bunch of other great matches with the likes of Henning, Bret. When Hogan came to WCW, he was the guy they had him feud with because they knew what a big money match that was. Even mid-to-late 90s he was having good matches/feuds in WCW but was unfortunately minimized by the booking by Bischoff, who had an axe to grind with him. When it comes to durability and longevity no one, and I mean no one comes close to Ric. Because nobody else has been able to do it for that long at such a high level. I mean the guy was literally having Hardcore matches with Foley in 2006, carrying 4/10 to one of his best matches from that era and taking part in MITB ladder matches till 2007. Think about it, he was 57 at that point. Even his last match was an instant classic.
 
shaz619 said:
Makes me want to tune into his stuff again. Look MJF was MJF before he ever got to AEW, but he’s still 1 more star which Tony helped elevate to a degree then anything 4/10 is capable off. The Triple B is the most beautiful belt in wrestling to and just feels like it belongs around the waist of a true star. He should never lose, let MJF have his own reign of terror; except he”ll get it over better than the pretender ever did. But AEW seldom gives lengthy reigns, pros & cons to it but they need to fire on all cylinders with him now because business should matter to at some point for the mark.

Also check this:

ewrestling.com

Backstage News On Whether AEW Has Plans To Develop Another Video Game - eWrestling | WWE, AEW News

Backstage News On Whether AEW Has Plans To Develop Another Video Game
ewrestling.com ewrestling.com

What I find so amusing is that the mark is so upset with how much £££££ he lost with the video game that he is scared to make another, but he’s happy to write blank cheques for talent in his little Disney Land, sorry, not talent but his Action Figures.
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MJF has that look in his eyes. It looks like he wants to have that great World title run that reminds everyone how good he is. He's got the new hair transplant, he's looking like a million bucks physically and he has regained the Triple B. Hopefully they don't f**k it up like they did the last time.

Lol, who needs another video-game when you can pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for guys to sit home and do nothing eventhough they haven't been on TV for months.
 
shaz619 said:
Watch the entire trilogy, honestly I feel their matches hold up in any era, they had flow & Steamboat looked every bit as good as he did because of Flair & vice versa.

Flair never had to do a lot because he could bump so well & had a high IQ which was built around his superb character work.

For me, if you ask me the top 10 in history, no.3 - no.10 will always be different depending on the week etc

But I honestly cannot see beyond Ric Flair who put wrestling on the map & Shawn Michaels who perfected everything Ric did.

Ric also crossed over to the main stream and his popularity exceeded that of Hogan’s in the 21’s century, it’s safe to say his legacy is just rock solid, you devise any metric & he was king in each one. I would put Savage up there to, but as @RedwoodOriginal said, he was your favourite wrestlers favourite wrestler, The Rock, Shawn, Austin etc you don’t get them without Ric, he inspired multiple generations.

I think even past his prime Ric could still be Ric when he was allowed to be & he was involved in so many fun matches:

- Only Ric would have agreed to MITB 2 in 2006 & a TLC with Edge at his age!

- Bad Blood 2004 with Shawn was great, and the final match they had was voted match of the century by the PWI

- He managed to carry Trips in a couple of matches they had for the WHC & that Taboo Tuesday Cage match I believe.

- That match against Taker at WM was fantastic, it restored his confidence after being buried in WCW

Any match you watch of his, he bought drama, it doesn’t look like he’s doing much, but you don’t realise that you’re sucked in.

See the documentary ESPN or WWE have done on his career, he epitomised the entire business of pro-wrestling itself and universally regarded as the greatest by all rival publications.
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The funny thing is that his career was supposed to be over in 2002 and yet he still went on to have these great matches and elevated all these guys who were about as old as his kids. And that second WWE run isn't even scratching the surface of who Ric Flair is. The guy is just unparalleled when it comes to body of work and as you said, he was king in every metric. If you just look at body of work since that's what most wrestling fans are concerned with, he has had some of the greatest matches in just about every era he has worked in - 70s, 80s, 90s and even 00s.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
MJF has that look in his eyes. It looks like he wants to have that great World title run that reminds everyone how good he is. He's got the new hair transplant, he's looking like a million bucks physically and he has regained the Triple B. Hopefully they don't f**k it up like they did the last time.

Lol, who needs another video-game when you can pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for guys to sit home and do nothing eventhough they haven't been on TV for months.
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Spot on, he is defo motivated again because he went through a phase where things were bleak for him, he may have lost some love but looks to have regained the passion, that look is back, maybe it’s Alicia A-Tout as well
:afridi


Tony Khan turns into the promoter he should be when dealing with the video game stuff, the guys hilarious.

Did you read that Flair (Charlotte) said she had no plans when she came back? It just reiterates what I said to you guys for weeks during that feud with Tiffy, no management, no mentorship or vision from 4/10. Also, the more I see the Mizz there is no doubt he has a greater legacy than Trips.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
The funny thing is that his career was supposed to be over in 2002 and yet he still went on to have these great matches and elevated all these guys who were about as old as his kids. And that second WWE run isn't even scratching the surface of who Ric Flair is. The guy is just unparalleled when it comes to body of work and as you said, he was king in every metric. If you just look at body of work since that's what most wrestling fans are concerned with, he has had some of the greatest matches in just about every era he has worked in - 70s, 80s, 90s and even 00s.
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In every era he dropped the Ric Flair drip and put a WOOO on his foes quiet literally, when you consider his WWE run, it boils my blood how he was buried by Bischoff in the mid to late 90’s but on the flip side, I got some of my all time favourite Flair segments & promos on Nitro which arguably were as good if not better from the studio era lol
 
@shaz619 This is right up there for me as one of the best Flair matches. This and the Vader match are two examples that show you that Flair was just as capable of being a great babyface, as he was the 'dirtiest player in the game.' I also think that this match has aged very well and is one of those matches that modern fans should see to understand what great gimmick matches look like, because it's such a physical and hard-hitting match. They brutalized each other lol. Funk was a legendary brawler but Flair showed his versatility and that he was very capable of wrestling that style too. If anything it reminds you how far modern wrestling has fallen and how poorly they do I Quit matches these days..


@sweep_shot Check this out..
 
shaz619 said:
In every era he dropped the Ric Flair drip and put a WOOO on his foes quiet literally, when you consider his WWE run, it boils my blood how he was buried by Bischoff in the mid to late 90’s but on the flip side, I got some of my all time favourite Flair segments & promos on Nitro which arguably were as good if not better from the studio era lol
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That;s true lol. Watching Ric go off is one of the greatest sights in wrestling, especially as his face starts to turn red, the tie comes off and the ol' suit begins to get the punishing elbow drop :ROFLMAO:

I really enjoyed the feud he had with Bischoff, after Bischoff realized what an unprofessional p*ick he had been in real life for initiating that petty lawsuit and came groveling to Ric to work a worked shoot angle. There's a promo that Ric did on Nitro, where he just went off on Eric. And it was so entertaining lol. Let me see if I can find it..
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
@shaz619 This is right up there for me as one of the best Flair matches. This and the Vader match are two examples that show you that Flair was just as capable of being a great babyface, as he was the 'dirtiest player in the game.' I also think that this match has aged very well and is one of those matches that modern fans should see to understand what great gimmick matches look like, because it's such a physical and hard-hitting match. They brutalized each other lol. Funk was a legendary brawler but Flair showed his versatility and that he was very capable of wrestling that style too. If anything it reminds you how far modern wrestling has fallen and how poorly they do I Quit matches these days..


@sweep_shot Check this out..
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Nice.

He is a legend without a doubt.

Anyway, his type of wrestling is not my cup of tea.

I enjoy wrestlers like Kurt Angle, Chris Benoit, HBK, Undertaker, Randy Orton, Edge etc.
 
sweep_shot said:
Nice.

He is a legend without a doubt.

Anyway, his type of wrestling is not my cup of tea.

I enjoy wrestlers like Kurt Angle, Chris Benoit, HBK, Undertaker, Randy Orton, Edge etc.
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I mean old Randy Orton ("Burn in my light" Randy Orton). Not the current boring viper.

If I have to pick one wrestler who I enjoy watching the most in the ring, it is Kurt Angle. My favorite wrestler of all time.
 
shaz619 said:
Spot on, he is defo motivated again because he went through a phase where things were bleak for him, he may have lost some love but looks to have regained the passion, that look is back, maybe it’s Alicia A-Tout as well
:afridi


Tony Khan turns into the promoter he should be when dealing with the video game stuff, the guys hilarious.

Did you read that Flair (Charlotte) said she had no plans when she came back? It just reiterates what I said to you guys for weeks during that feud with Tiffy, no management, no mentorship or vision from 4/10. Also, the more I see the Mizz there is no doubt he has a greater legacy than Trips.
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Doesn't surprise me at all. Even with that writer's room of yes-man and clowns they can't come up with anything worthwhile for one of their biggest stars. I guess the Netflix show and and all the B.S posturing and contrived attempts to present yourself as the face of the company are more important..
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I can't say I agree with that at all. Flair had a pretty good decade in the 90s eventhough it may not compare with his work in the 70s and 80s. His run to reclaim the World title from Vader at Starrcade was a fantastic story and lead to one of his best matches. His run in the WWF with the 'Real World Championship' was great. He won the Rumble coming in at 2, had that feud with Savage, not to mention a bunch of other great matches with the likes of Henning, Bret. When Hogan came to WCW, he was the guy they had him feud with because they knew what a big money match that was. Even mid-to-late 90s he was having good matches/feuds in WCW but was unfortunately minimized by the booking by Bischoff, who had an axe to grind with him. When it comes to durability and longevity no one, and I mean no one comes close to Ric. Because nobody else has been able to do it for that long at such a high level. I mean the guy was literally having Hardcore matches with Foley in 2006, carrying 4/10 to one of his best matches from that era and taking part in MITB ladder matches till 2007. Think about it, he was 57 at that point. Even his last match was an instant classic.
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i was just saying as good as he was in 70s, 80s and early 90s, he was past his prime by the late 90s (97 98 99), which doesn't mean he became a bad wrestler, but he was just not as agile as he was 10 years before that. When you compare the likes to AJ, Rey, Lashley etc they still don't feel like being hampered by physical limitations. I know ring IQ can help hide the aging effects, but the likes of AJ etc are still operating at full throttle. The moves that AJ and Rey are pulling off at 50, it would have sounded ridiculous if someone from 80s and 90s was trying to do that at 50.
 
shaz619 said:
Spot on, he is defo motivated again because he went through a phase where things were bleak for him, he may have lost some love but looks to have regained the passion, that look is back, maybe it’s Alicia A-Tout as well
:afridi


Tony Khan turns into the promoter he should be when dealing with the video game stuff, the guys hilarious.

Did you read that Flair (Charlotte) said she had no plans when she came back? It just reiterates what I said to you guys for weeks during that feud with Tiffy, no management, no mentorship or vision from 4/10. Also, the more I see the Mizz there is no doubt he has a greater legacy than Trips.
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Well apart from working extremely hard to make it in prowrestling and be considered a decent enough prowrestler, Miz will also be known as one of the most generous and likeable people backstage (by the newer wrestlers) who were welcoming and helping to all the new comers, the words no one would attribute with Nose.
Miz>Nose
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Well apart from working extremely hard to make it in prowrestling and be considered a decent enough prowrestler, Miz will also be known as one of the most generous and likeable people backstage (by the newer wrestlers) who were welcoming and helping to all the new comers, the words no one would attribute with Nose.
Miz>Nose
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I think Miz overachieved. LOL.

In Ruthless Aggression era or Attitude era, he probably would've been a jobber like Maven.

I was shocked he won the world title twice.
 
sweep_shot said:
I think Miz overachieved. LOL.

In Ruthless Aggression era or Attitude era, he probably would've been a jobber like Maven.

I was shocked he won the world title twice.
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Miz wasn't a wrestler when he entered WWE tough enough competition. He started from scratch there as a wrestler. Keeping that into account, almost every wrestler in WWE usually has some kind of training and experience wrestling in indies before coming to WWE. Miz was a reality tv star beforehand. The fact that he dedicated himself to prowrestling and took it seriously enough to achieve all that he has is a testament to his hardwork. He was also bullied a lot and was refused entry into the locker room for a year or so I think. He overcame all of that and worked hard to achieve all of that. And he succeeded massively in hiding his shortcomings and excelled as a character. Had a great IC title reign in 2016. And he also worked a very safe wrestling style that he's only been injured once throughout his 17-18 year career.
Miz is levels above the likes of Maven cause Miz succeeds as a character whereas Maven could never.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
@shaz619 This is right up there for me as one of the best Flair matches. This and the Vader match are two examples that show you that Flair was just as capable of being a great babyface, as he was the 'dirtiest player in the game.' I also think that this match has aged very well and is one of those matches that modern fans should see to understand what great gimmick matches look like, because it's such a physical and hard-hitting match. They brutalized each other lol. Funk was a legendary brawler but Flair showed his versatility and that he was very capable of wrestling that style too. If anything it reminds you how far modern wrestling has fallen and how poorly they do I Quit matches these days..


@sweep_shot Check this out..
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Thanks for posting this because you’ve reminded me that this was arguably Flair’s greatest match ever, it was of the same ilk of Austin v Bret from WM 13 and had the same if not superior intensity, Flair’s authenticity came from that & Funk found creative ways to be violent without insulting your intelligence, but reaching for the spinal cords which made you wince. For me I prefer this over the Steamboat matches because their whole rivalry for me was superior and this match was a great culmination of that, what do you think?
 
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