The Wrestling Discussion Thread

Ratings are not the be and end all in this era when it comes to reflection of the TV product when the WWE is consumed in so many different ways and then there's streams to. Punk was doing a really good job as champ, if he wasn't Vince wouldn't have hesitated to take the belt of him. I recall Punk being advertised for House Shows and when he was pulled from those events WWE would offer all their customers a refund. On top of that he was also amongst the best merch sellers, second only to Cena and at times he also out sold him. He has a cult following and is incredibly popular, The Rock's run at the top wasn't long either but he had the benefit of starting his career out during the pro-wrestling boom when the likes of WCW, WWF and ECW were all a part of pop culture in those days. Bret Hart the greatest technician of all time and he rated Punk's in ring work as being unique and innovative, I also feel the same way as he got even better in the WWE once he had left the indy's.

His attitude allowed him to become a main-event level superstar in the WWE, were it not for that attitude he'd have remained in the upper-mid card for the rest of his career because certain folk did their utmost to bury his career. People pay most attention to Punk the anti-corporate rebel but his run as the straight edge messiah was arguably the greatest heel gimmick of the PG era, it was absolutely stellar and am sure he received awards from the Wrestling Observer and PWI. I think he did all there was to do in the WWE, perhaps he could have been involved in a couple more main-event level programs or main-evented a mania but I can't think of anything he hasn't done to not warrant ATG status imo.

As champion rating are important. I can remember Chavo guerro saying when Eddie was champuion he would always look at the ratings and would get upset if they weren't higher each time. Chavo thinks that's why Eddie didn't last long as champion. They aren't the be all and end all but they are important. Wwe booking didn't help punk tbf, no way should he have lost to triple h in 2011. Yes I have said punk was a great worker I'm sure others felt the same.


I don't think he spent enough years at the top level to be considered atg of wrestling. If he was still at the top now than yes he would be. His attitude did help but the way he left wwe seems a bit of an attitude problem but than again if more wrestlers did that now we wouldn't get such boring promos. You can tell punks promos are from his heart
 
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Trailer for CM Punk's documentary on his journey to fight in the UFC, it will air on the 15th of August and his is scheduled for the UFC 203 PPV which is around the corner.

Man I got goosebumps! looks like the documentary is going to be really good, also was great to see AJ Lee!

People can say what they like but I admire him for chasing his dream despite all the obstacles involved. He'll be a heavy underdog no doubt but you often see upsets frequently in MMA and I believe he can pull it off after some more thought.
The documentary looks class. Wish him all the best but I really doubt he can make it in the UFC.

Do you think he'll ever comeback to Pro wrestling if he fails as a fighter?
 
As champion rating are important. I can remember Chavo guerro saying when Eddie was champuion he would always look at the ratings and would get upset if they weren't higher each time. Chavo thinks that's why Eddie didn't last long as champion. They aren't the be all and end all but they are important. Wwe booking didn't help punk tbf, no way should he have lost to triple h in 2011. Yes I have said punk was a great worker I'm sure others felt the same.


I don't think he spent enough years at the top level to be considered atg of wrestling. If he was still at the top now than yes he would be. His attitude did help but the way he left wwe seems a bit of an attitude problem but than again if more wrestlers did that now we wouldn't get such boring promos. You can tell punks promos are from his heart

Didn't said they're not important but they're not a reflection of how the product is consumed, there is not as much emphasis on them now as it was during the Monday Night Wars when WWE could only be accessed from the telly. If Punk was an awful draw he would never have been the longest reigning modern champ, what Vince cares for above everything else is $$$$$$. Cena is their biggest star and he's been involved in record low ratings RAW shows as champ but that's not a reflection of his drawing ability, they're a number of factors we look at such as WWE competing with NBA, NFL, illegal streams, online videos and the overall direction of the company during modern times.

Eddie Gurrero went crazy, he put too much pressure on himself as champion; he wanted everything absolutely 100% perfect and was incredibly insecure. His run as champion was short but it was self inflicted, they didn't drop the belt off him because they thought he wasn't drawing in fact SD's ratings were better then RAW when heyman was booking it. Eddie lost the title because he wanted to drop it himself.

The Rock wasn't on top for that long either and Roddy Piper was never WWE champion, but both are still considered ATG's. If time on top was the main qualification for ATG status then John Cena would be considered better then Stone Cold? The quality of the run should define how good a pro-wrestler is imo. Punk had a great attitude in that he wasn't afraid to go out on a limb from a creative perspective, but besides that I don't think people understand what lead him to leave in the first place; his attitude was never the issue, WWE management are notoriously famous when it comes to being petty and grudges. One of the people who were pivotal in him leaving the company was HHH. Punk was forced to leave because the WWE ran him into the ground, they made him work incredibly banged up and even with his staph infection, their doctors also didn't treat him adequately and here's the thing he walked out but it was the WWE who fired him and that too on his wedding day!
 
The documentary looks class. Wish him all the best but I really doubt he can make it in the UFC.

Do you think he'll ever comeback to Pro wrestling if he fails as a fighter?

If he wants to return he has to sign a contract which says:

I will Put over HHH from mania 33-36, put over Vinny mac from mania 37-39, put over Stephanie at mania 40 and Shane at 41. In between he has to cut 10 minute promo on RAW every explaining why Mcmahons are the greatest family on god's green earth and why he'd never be half the wrestler the great Hunter Hearst Helmsly was, he must also be willing to help bring back the Kiss Vinny Mac tu club but this time he'd have to kiss HHH and Vinny tu as well. On the announcement of Punk returning WWE will also bring back the divast title, a championship which Punk can only compete for.

Punk will also have to introduce a Tasbeeh gimmick where he comes out to every show with Tasbeeh gets microphone and starts reading his Tasbeeh:

20 times "HHH is the GOAT"

15 times "Stephanie McMahon is greater then Mother Teresa"

15 times "Vinny Mac is a billionaire who will be a Trillionaire"

15 times "taubah astaakfaaar I will never insult HHH again please forgive me McMahonism"

Then he will possibly return
 
If he wants to return he has to sign a contract which says:

I will Put over HHH from mania 33-36, put over Vinny mac from mania 37-39, put over Stephanie at mania 40 and Shane at 41. In between he has to cut 10 minute promo on RAW every explaining why Mcmahons are the greatest family on god's green earth and why he'd never be half the wrestler the great Hunter Hearst Helmsly was, he must also be willing to help bring back the Kiss Vinny Mac tu club but this time he'd have to kiss HHH and Vinny tu as well. On the announcement of Punk returning WWE will also bring back the divast title, a championship which Punk can only compete for.

Punk will also have to introduce a Tasbeeh gimmick where he comes out to every show with Tasbeeh gets microphone and starts reading his Tasbeeh:

20 times "HHH is the GOAT"

15 times "Stephanie McMahon is greater then Mother Teresa"

15 times "Vinny Mac is a billionaire who will be a Trillionaire"

15 times "taubah astaakfaaar I will never insult HHH again please forgive me McMahonism"

Then he will possibly return

Lost it at the tasbeeh :))) :)))
 
Lost it at the tasbeeh :))) :)))

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On a level though, irrespective of whether his UFC run is succesful or not I do see him returning at some point. But thing which makes it tricky is that Punk is someone who doesn't tend to stray from his views and beliefs and also Triple H:mv

Vince said he'd be more then happy to do business with him in the future, Vince loves Punk; he was literally in tears when he was about to walk out. But HHH is another beast altogether when he has a grudge with someone and his influence comes into play, from Vinces perspective it's the son in law who's always going to go over given the family relationship:

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Was watching some old footage of Concessions

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What a Jobber no wonder he never held the WWF title for more then 24 hours.
 
Mark Henry: "And Ya'll thought my career was a joke, this idiot takes the cake"
 
Mark Henry: "And Ya'll thought my career was a joke, this idiot takes the cake"

Dude concessions Kane is nothing compared to Katie Vick, the feud with Matt Hardy over Lita, jobbing to his own impostor.

Katie Vick might be the worst angle in pro wrestling history. Yes even worse than Vince Russo wcw champion.
 
Dude concessions Kane is nothing compared to Katie Vick, the feud with Matt Hardy over Lita, jobbing to his own impostor.

Katie Vick might be the worst angle in pro wrestling history. Yes even worse than Vince Russo wcw champion.

I went on Kane wiki page and found this in his list of accomplishments

"Wrestling Observer Newsletter

Most Disgusting Promotional Tactic (2004) Impregnating Lita
Most Overrated (2010, 2014, 2015)
Worst Feud of the Year (2002) vs. Triple H
Worst Feud of the Year (2003) vs. Shane McMahon
Worst Feud of the Year (2004) vs. Matt Hardy and Lita
Worst Feud of the Year (2007) vs. Big Daddy V
Worst Feud of the Year (2008) vs. Rey Mysterio
Worst Feud of the Year (2010) vs. Edge
Worst Feud of the Year (2012) vs. John Cena
Worst Gimmick (1996) as Fake Diesel
Worst Worked Match of the Year (2001) with The Undertaker vs. KroniK at Unforgiven"

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Trailer for CM Punk's documentary on his journey to fight in the UFC, it will air on the 15th of August and his is scheduled for the UFC 203 PPV which is around the corner.

Man I got goosebumps! looks like the documentary is going to be really good, also was great to see AJ Lee!

People can say what they like but I admire him for chasing his dream despite all the obstacles involved. He'll be a heavy underdog no doubt but you often see upsets frequently in MMA and I believe he can pull it off after some more thought.

Meh - how long before he has a cat fight with someone at UFC and takes his ball and goes home :mv
 
I went on Kane wiki page and found this in his list of accomplishments

"Wrestling Observer Newsletter

Most Disgusting Promotional Tactic (2004) Impregnating Lita
Most Overrated (2010, 2014, 2015)
Worst Feud of the Year (2002) vs. Triple H
Worst Feud of the Year (2003) vs. Shane McMahon
Worst Feud of the Year (2004) vs. Matt Hardy and Lita
Worst Feud of the Year (2007) vs. Big Daddy V
Worst Feud of the Year (2008) vs. Rey Mysterio
Worst Feud of the Year (2010) vs. Edge
Worst Feud of the Year (2012) vs. John Cena
Worst Gimmick (1996) as Fake Diesel
Worst Worked Match of the Year (2001) with The Undertaker vs. KroniK at Unforgiven"

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I am the biggest Kane mark out there but i have to agree with pretty much everything there except for the most overrated in 2010. He was World Champion then and cutting great promos and generally a very good champ.

But as a worker, Kane is the safest there is. Even Punk praises him and Punk praises no one. He also puts everyone over willingly a bit too willingly i say.

Jericho and Kane are two of my absolute favorites and both are massive burial victims of THE GAME!
 
I am the biggest Kane mark out there but i have to agree with pretty much everything there except for the most overrated in 2010. He was World Champion then and cutting great promos and generally a very good champ.

But as a worker, Kane is the safest there is. Even Punk praises him and Punk praises no one. He also puts everyone over willingly a bit too willingly i say.

Jericho and Kane are two of my absolute favorites and both are massive burial victims of THE GAME!

Punk has praised plenty of world class talent and has been spokesman for all the talent that get buried, he also stood up for darren young when he came out gay and everyone looked up to him when he became champ.

In 2010 the world title was booked like an mid-card championship, I don't recall Kane doing anything special tbh his last best run was as one half of Team Hell No.

Jericho always finds a way to get over no matter what and his abilities from a creative stand point and character-wise is unreal. Kane had one hell of a run in the early 2000's, should have resulted in a title reign but they wanted HHH to spear-head the RAW brand as it's champion during the brand split so he got fed to HHH I guess much like Ziggler will get fed to Ambrose, I won't necessarily call that in particular a burial.

Kane has only got himself to blame to be honest, he lacked the killer instinct and would have made a weak champion because he's someone who doesn't see himself as a guy who can carry a company on his shoulders, more or less as a transitional championship material like wrestler. It might also explain why he never had as many title reigns and also because he has been an upper-mid card talent throughout his career barring his first run in the WWE.

Am a big mark for him to, I got into wrestling due to Rock Y2J, Kane and Undertaker. When I was little I use to fear Kane more then Undertaker.

I hope I can see Kane and Y2J later this year when WWE tour UK, I got to see Taker last year but I long for the gift of Jericho because this is his final run :(
 
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This is funny and slightly sad at the same time. Ric Flair offering phone calls for $495.

He has been taking such calls for a while now Markhor :))) WOOOO!

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Am pretty sure he is in a fairly stable financially despite all the divorces and extravagant spending but he's also the nature boy for a reason lol

Am not a huge fan of the direction of WWE in this era but they wrestlers are taken care of better, you won't find a star from this period lying in a dumpster 30 years from now or have serious health issues due to drug abuse. We have a wellness policy now, stars are paid fairly well and the guaranteed money is okay and wrestlers are also given lectures on how to manage their finances.

The schedule is still intense and I've always wanted an off season for pro-wrestlers in the WWE but there isn't one. However the medical team is good. Stars are generally in a decent position unless someone has a petty grudge against you.
 
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CM Punk's UFC debut

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CM Punk's UFC debut

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Loll that's what i posted. If warrior can come back to WWE, Punk definitely can.
 
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Loll that's what i posted. If warrior can come back to WWE, Punk definitely can.

The problem is most those guys had problems with Vince and he is someone who puts the past behind him even moreso when ££££££ is concerned despite how petty he is. But having an issue with HHH is on another level :)) he wont allow him to come back as he was the one who forced him out in the first place and got him fired on his wedding lol HHH is the most selfish, petty, egotistical and ovverated wrestler in history
 
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The problem is most those guys had problems with Vince and he is someone who puts the past behind him even moreso when ££££££ is concerned despite how petty he is. But having an issue with HHH is on another level :)) he wont allow him to come back as he was the one who forced him out in the first place and got him fired on his wedding lol HHH is the most selfish, petty, egotistical and ovverated wrestler in history

Hmm but cannot fault HHH as a booker and what he has done with NXT and Cruiserweight classic. He is almost (but not quite) atoning for his burials.

The Kliq was responsible for some terrible crap and HBK, Nash and Hall regret that. I'm sure HHH does too.
 
Hmm but cannot fault HHH as a booker and what he has done with NXT and Cruiserweight classic. He is almost (but not quite) atoning for his burials.

The Kliq was responsible for some terrible crap and HBK, Nash and Hall regret that. I'm sure HHH does too.

No doubt when he isn't being a petty egomaniac he can be a shrewd booker and there's no denying that but when you're on his wrong side then god help you.

I'd say Hall has the least guilt out of all of them, he just sought of followed the crowd and that's also evident by his run in WCW he sticks with his mates that's it. Most of the burials he was responsible for occurred inside his head, he kept putting his demons over.

Shawn had lost the plot, abused drugs and rustled feathers backstage but when he got in that ring he was always at peace and gave the people their monies worth. One thing you got to love shawn for, even though he was never quiet there in the head he never let his issues affect his performances in the ring and the people always stood by him.

Reformed as a born again Christian and became on a mission to elevate talent during his second run in the WWE, putting Jeff Hardy over clean on a RAW during his push puts just that into perspective because it's a match I remember very fondly. He had numerous chances to win the world title but he wasn't keen on the idea and his goal was to put guys over, in Shawn's second run the only time I remember shawn having issues about putting someone over was Hulk Hogan lol Hogan had agreed to put HBK over but then last minute used his influence to sabotage that, Shawn in revenge.....just watch their match at SS 05 leathers :))) really enjoyed their match still.

Nash is a good guy to but he was responsible for his fair share of naughty behaviour backstage. Heck even Hogan put over Lesnar!
 
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I haven't watched all of it but i checked some matches. I love B Dazzle and Mauro as a commentary pair. I loved Ibushi vs Alexander. Chuffed to see Tajiri and Spanky.

Funniest was Tajiri reuniting with regal His Lordship regal. :)))
 
I haven't watched all of it but i checked some matches. I love B Dazzle and Mauro as a commentary pair. I loved Ibushi vs Alexander. Chuffed to see Tajiri and Spanky.

Funniest was Tajiri reuniting with regal His Lordship regal. :)))

:))) still don't get how regal and tajiri have so much chemistry, those two were comedy gold

Yeah their commentary has been pretty good and you can tell how passionate they are for wrestling

Ciampa v Gargano has been my favourite match, closely followed by Ibushi v Alexander; the Pakistani lad Mustafa Ali and Daivari's brother were pretty good performers to.

Final will be Ibush v Zack Sabre Jr I reckon
 
Summerslam looks great. Sadly, I won't be able to see it.

I will spit out my drink though if Juice Lesnar's match is the main event. Vinny Mac sacrificed the streak for a juicer. :facepalm:
 
Don't watch UFC that much. Actually, I was rooting for Brock in the UFC believe it or not. Until, his juicing news came out.

Rollins is a boring character but an amazing wrestler. Rollins vs Finn will be an excellent match but I think the finale should be Cena vs AJ or Dolph vs Dean. Dolph's mic work and character work has been on another level these days.

Actually, Kane was asked to end the streak but declined out of respect. At one point, Taker wanted Randy to end the streak but Vince cancelled the idea.

So, yeah I stand by Steroid freak ending the streak in hindsight as one of the worst booked endings in professional wrestling. And that includes all the HHH burials and the atrocious Mania 2000 main event.

I wouldn't mind Cena/AJ or Dolph/Dean closing the show, Dean/Dolph haave really turned it up a level and Ziggler has always been decent on the mic as a heel or when give him some freedom on the mic but his work in this angle is easily on another level and their feud is more exciting then Demon/Seth which will be a great match no doubt.

I know for sure that Kurt Angle was expected to end the streak at mania and Taker wanted that but Vinny declined as did Kurt.

That juicer is the reason why all the wrestlers on the summerslam card will get a bigger pay day then if an upper mid carder like Kane with no drawing power ended the streak, brock was a huge draw as it is and ending the streak took his profile to another level on the back of the UFC exploits he just = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
 
I wouldn't mind Cena/AJ or Dolph/Dean closing the show, Dean/Dolph haave really turned it up a level and Ziggler has always been decent on the mic as a heel or when give him some freedom on the mic but his work in this angle is easily on another level and their feud is more exciting then Demon/Seth which will be a great match no doubt.

I know for sure that Kurt Angle was expected to end the streak at mania and Taker wanted that but Vinny declined as did Kurt.

That juicer is the reason why all the wrestlers on the summerslam card will get a bigger pay day then if an upper mid carder like Kane with no drawing power ended the streak, brock was a huge draw as it is and ending the streak took his profile to another level on the back of the UFC exploits he just = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Brock isn't moving the needle anymore. Raw viewers stay below 3 million. He is a freak of nature sure but he is not as big a draw anymore.

Wrestling itself is not that big a draw and plus, his matches are boring as hell with 30 suplexes and 5 F5s, psychology be damned.
 
Brock isn't moving the needle anymore. Raw viewers stay below 3 million. He is a freak of nature sure but he is not as big a draw anymore.

Wrestling itself is not that big a draw and plus, his matches are boring as hell with 30 suplexes and 5 F5s, psychology be damned.

Like you said wrestling itself is not that big a draw, the ratings are not a reflection of someones absolute drawing power. It's a different era and the product is not consumed through TV alone, if ratings were the be and end all Stone Cold would have bought in 6 million viewers when he returned on RAW but he didn't. Brock Lesnar's segment this week was the highest rated for the hour and an increase on ratings last week. His drawing power is tested when it comes to PPV buyrates, House Show attendance and WWE Network subscription. He is one of the greatest box office draws of all time and the biggest since Austin, Hogan and Andre the Giant.

Brock is one of the greatest in-ring performers of all time, watch Kurt v Brock at mania 19 and Brock v Kurt in IronMan match. And is constantly involved in 4 star classic, his legendary beast gimmick is one of the greatest ever; it also protects him as he doesn't need to lose to jobbers like Kane and take unnecessary bumps which add fatigue. Brock is a once in a life time talent much like Andre the Giant was.

Imagine if Kane ended the streak as you wanted, he has been booked like a jobber and it's also because he isn't mentally strong enough to carry the company on his back so enjoys taking a back streak. It would have been a big waste. It would also have been a burden on if some youngster ended it, they'd have to justify it in the aftermath and 9 times out of 10 they'd have failed spectacularly. It was also good for Takers ego (yes he has one) that someone like Brock ended his streak
 
Smackdown has also improved lately due one person, Ryan Ward. He is the head writer of Smackdown, he spearheaded the rise of NXT unlike how many would have you believe that it was hunter. Since Ward left NXT is not so interesting, the talent is rich but the booking and writing team call it in much like RAW.

Great segment between Ziggler and Ambrose on SD their feud has been brilliant, they deserve to main-event SummerSlam.
 
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Helen Louise Maroulis of the USA just won an Olympic Gold Medal in freestyle wrestling! huge upset, she beat a Japanese wrestler who was unbeaten for 4 years, former 13 time world champion and 3 time Olympic Gold Medalist huge upset! I've heard that WWE has been scouting Olympic talent and although this woman in particular was not on their radar (they were after Adeline Gray, an unbeaten wrestler for 2-3 years who is also bigger in weight) Helen will no doubt generate some interest after this epic win, it reminded me of when Kurt Angle won and how celebrated after, first American Woman to win an Olympic Gold Medal in wrestling

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Helen Louise Maroulis of the USA just won an Olympic Gold Medal in freestyle wrestling! huge upset, she beat a Japanese wrestler who was unbeaten for 4 years, former 13 time world champion and 3 time Olympic Gold Medalist huge upset! I've heard that WWE has been scouting Olympic talent and although this woman in particular was not on their radar (they were after Adeline Gray, an unbeaten wrestler for 2-3 years who is also bigger in weight) Helen will no doubt generate some interest after this epic win, it reminded me of when Kurt Angle won and how celebrated after, first American Woman to win an Olympic Gold Medal in wrestling

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Like you said wrestling itself is not that big a draw, the ratings are not a reflection of someones absolute drawing power. It's a different era and the product is not consumed through TV alone, if ratings were the be and end all Stone Cold would have bought in 6 million viewers when he returned on RAW but he didn't. Brock Lesnar's segment this week was the highest rated for the hour and an increase on ratings last week. His drawing power is tested when it comes to PPV buyrates, House Show attendance and WWE Network subscription. He is one of the greatest box office draws of all time and the biggest since Austin, Hogan and Andre the Giant.

Brock is one of the greatest in-ring performers of all time, watch Kurt v Brock at mania 19 and Brock v Kurt in IronMan match. And is constantly involved in 4 star classic, his legendary beast gimmick is one of the greatest ever; it also protects him as he doesn't need to lose to jobbers like Kane and take unnecessary bumps which add fatigue. Brock is a once in a life time talent much like Andre the Giant was.

Imagine if Kane ended the streak as you wanted, he has been booked like a jobber and it's also because he isn't mentally strong enough to carry the company on his back so enjoys taking a back streak. It would have been a big waste. It would also have been a burden on if some youngster ended it, they'd have to justify it in the aftermath and 9 times out of 10 they'd have failed spectacularly. It was also good for Takers ego (yes he has one) that someone like Brock ended his streak

Rather than Kane, I would have liked Bray pre-Cenation burial to have won it. Imagine, Bray destroying everyone in his path and then beating Taker at Mania. The heat on him would have been amazing. But they elected to make a complete fool out of him. Standard Bray feud is make a sinister claim, job to the wrestler, rinse and repeat. It's so sad. Vince is a complete fool now.

Brocky was a legend in 2003. My favorite wrestler along with Kurt Angle but now he is done. He is happy farming. And please do not compare him with Andre. Andre actually cared about this business. Brocky is so overrated these days it's disturbing. His match at Mania with Ambrose was horrible. Mediocre crap. The last time Lesnar showed some fire was against Taker but that was Taker working his butt off to put Lesnar over.

Taker probably regrets now that a juicer ended his streak. Would have been better off having Bray (if booked properly) take the streak. The psycho Kane of 2003 would have been a good choice too but his heat dissipated with that terrible feud against Shane and then Matt Hardy.
 
Rather than Kane, I would have liked Bray pre-Cenation burial to have won it. Imagine, Bray destroying everyone in his path and then beating Taker at Mania. The heat on him would have been amazing. But they elected to make a complete fool out of him. Standard Bray feud is make a sinister claim, job to the wrestler, rinse and repeat. It's so sad. Vince is a complete fool now.

Brocky was a legend in 2003. My favorite wrestler along with Kurt Angle but now he is done. He is happy farming. And please do not compare him with Andre. Andre actually cared about this business. Brocky is so overrated these days it's disturbing. His match at Mania with Ambrose was horrible. Mediocre crap. The last time Lesnar showed some fire was against Taker but that was Taker working his butt off to put Lesnar over.

Taker probably regrets now that a juicer ended his streak. Would have been better off having Bray (if booked properly) take the streak. The psycho Kane of 2003 would have been a good choice too but his heat dissipated with that terrible feud against Shane and then Matt Hardy.

You're kidding yourself KimK if you think they'd ever book Bray like they did the Undertaker. Bray is dubbed the new face of fear but he isn't booked like that, Taker was pushed as a main-event talent which was rarely buried in the 90's and this is the gimmick where he barely sold offence. Even in the AE era he rarely lost clean. The idea in itself is not bad at all, but would Bray be making as much money as Lesnar is? that's what Vince asks himself, would Bray be able to carry the Burden and rise above garbage booking in this era? Would Taker be happy putting over a youngster, especially when the streak is more prestigious then any title ?

Brock not caring is a part of his gimmick, go listen to his interviews; he's one of the few characters that hasn't broken kayfabe. But he also isn't afraid to flip off fans like Batista when they give him crap. Lol do you even know what Andre the Giant was like? he was unbeatable and more protected then Lesnar ever was, most of the time his efforts were lazy in the ring and he was a piece of work to tango with in the ring especially if he didn't like you, he had a chip on his shoulder and had hogan sweating till the last moment before WM 3 on whether he'd actually put him over.

Taker had a great couple of matches last year, he was motivated to make amends for the match he had against Bray when he was out of shape and Bray never really bought the best out of him. Against Lesnar he was in the best shape of his life and it was a brilliant match at SummerSlam and HIAC, it takes two to tango and both did an amazing job in the ring.

99% of WWE stars are juicing, Kane is a juicer to and Taker to; Lesnar got caught because he wasn't careful enough and also given how USADA doping tests have become more strict. Guys like Cena, Taker, Kane, HHH and Lesnar would violate the wellness policy but they are not required to take the urine test. Psycho Kane of 2003 would not be able to justify ending the streak given his lack of drawing power, it had to be someone special and Lesnar is Special.
 
[MENTION=3474]TalhaSyed[/MENTION]

That's really impressive!!

Time to bring back Kurt Angle and make a mixed tag team :misbah

I've always wondered this - when you have professional athletes/fighters (from places like the Olympics or UFC) do you think they have reservations about switching to 'fake wrestling' since people may not take them as seriously anymore as a wrestler/fighter? Look at the likes of Ronda Rousey who's an @ $ $ kicking machine in UFC. Do you think she would be happy to come to WrestleMania to fight Stephanie in a 'divas sports entertainment match', if it wasn't for the massive pay check?
 
That's really impressive!!

Time to bring back Kurt Angle and make a mixed tag team :misbah

I've always wondered this - when you have professional athletes/fighters (from places like the Olympics or UFC) do you think they have reservations about switching to 'fake wrestling' since people may not take them as seriously anymore as a wrestler/fighter? Look at the likes of Ronda Rousey who's an @ $ $ kicking machine in UFC. Do you think she would be happy to come to WrestleMania to fight Stephanie in a 'divas sports entertainment match', if it wasn't for the massive pay check?

There's a funny story about how Kurt got into pro-wrestling and it wasn't anything to do with how pro-wrestling was viewed although in that period it was a part of pop culture and Kurt was sold by watching Austin on RAW much like majority of us lot! Vince approached Kurt a while back but he was still open to other sports to and was considering joining the UFC but the money wasn't great then and WWF was the place to be so in addition to his fandom of Stone Cold he thought he'd give it a try. But when he called Vince he said to them listen "I can't lose" :))) :))) Vince burst out laughing, Kurt was incredibly competitive and was a little knowledgeable about how things worked.

Ronda Rousey is also a huge fan of the WWF! and even Conor Mcgregor (inspired by Ric Flair/Ali/Gorgeous-George)! many of the personalities we see in combat sport took inspiration from characters in wrestling, Muhammad Ali's heel shtick and the "I am the Greatest" was inspired by gorgeous george, Ali was a huge fan of pro-wrestling to and he attended events headlined by Gorgeous George, and George was a top heel he;d really rile up fans in the arena and Ali said to himself man this guy talks so much but these people still come to see him whether they love or hate him! Many of these UFC fans are closet wrestling fans but a few are not afraid to admit it like the light HW world champion DC

And even those who are not fans have a respect for it deep down when they do a little research, Ken Shamrock wasn't a fan but he was arguably the greatest MMA fighter of all time at his peak and he made the switch to WWF, thinking you know money is decent and it can't be too bad plus it was a part of pop culture in those days to but he gained even more respect for the guys who take bumps 300+ days a year and the athleticism required in unreal. Vince in the past use to help promote UFC/MMA fights to even when the promotion wasn't big and has a special bond with MMA, Ali-Antonio-Inoki was dubbed the first MMA fight and it was promoted by Vinces dad.

Many fighters in Boxing or MMA today take inspiration from the world of pro-wrestling to hype their fights but Vince remains the ULTIMATE promoter especially when you see Conor and Diaz throw water bottles at each other as the final segment to hype their fight :))) Vince despite his old age would be bit more creative then that :yk2 A lot of that stuff you see before fights is all scripted, only a few they legitimately hate each other or else you wouldn't see them have a cuddle at the end of the battle.

I think more then anything Talha bhai money is a huge factor because these people got to take care of their family's to, right now WWE or MMA can be a decent place to be from a financial point of view. And peeps who do make the switch give the WWE bit more legitimacy and they never have to worry about being taken seriously given their background. But the industry is respected a lot more then it use to be, Conors comments about WWE were timed to perfection so close to his fight against Diaz to create some publicity for his fight and I won't be shocked to see him in the WWE

Ronda has been interested in a WWE match in the past, has also had few pro-wrestling sessions; but that example of Kurt I gave "I can't lose" :))) is another thing to bear in mind so if it's a short term thing then Ronda would want to be protected
 
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Goldberg teasing a return again. Watch the first few mins. :akhtar [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]

 
Goldberg teasing a return again. Watch the first few mins. :akhtar [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]


:))) Pretty violent promo even by Goldbergs standard, Broid be like

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"Please Vinny, just one more injection and give me Gilberg not Goldberg!"

There's a decent chance he will return, it would be epic if he buried Lesnar again :))) we'd have a field day with Eugene losing his marbles
 
[MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] did Broid respond to that challenge
 
There's a funny story about how Kurt got into pro-wrestling and it wasn't anything to do with how pro-wrestling was viewed although in that period it was a part of pop culture and Kurt was sold by watching Austin on RAW much like majority of us lot! Vince approached Kurt a while back but he was still open to other sports to and was considering joining the UFC but the money wasn't great then and WWF was the place to be so in addition to his fandom of Stone Cold he thought he'd give it a try. But when he called Vince he said to them listen "I can't lose" :))) :))) Vince burst out laughing, Kurt was incredibly competitive and was a little knowledgeable about how things worked.

Ronda Rousey is also a huge fan of the WWF! and even Conor Mcgregor (inspired by Ric Flair/Ali/Gorgeous-George)! many of the personalities we see in combat sport took inspiration from characters in wrestling, Muhammad Ali's heel shtick and the "I am the Greatest" was inspired by gorgeous george, Ali was a huge fan of pro-wrestling to and he attended events headlined by Gorgeous George, and George was a top heel he;d really rile up fans in the arena and Ali said to himself man this guy talks so much but these people still come to see him whether they love or hate him! Many of these UFC fans are closet wrestling fans but a few are not afraid to admit it like the light HW world champion DC

And even those who are not fans have a respect for it deep down when they do a little research, Ken Shamrock wasn't a fan but he was arguably the greatest MMA fighter of all time at his peak and he made the switch to WWF, thinking you know money is decent and it can't be too bad plus it was a part of pop culture in those days to but he gained even more respect for the guys who take bumps 300+ days a year and the athleticism required in unreal. Vince in the past use to help promote UFC/MMA fights to even when the promotion wasn't big and has a special bond with MMA, Ali-Antonio-Inoki was dubbed the first MMA fight and it was promoted by Vinces dad.

Many fighters in Boxing or MMA today take inspiration from the world of pro-wrestling to hype their fights but Vince remains the ULTIMATE promoter especially when you see Conor and Diaz throw water bottles at each other as the final segment to hype their fight :))) Vince despite his old age would be bit more creative then that :yk2 A lot of that stuff you see before fights is all scripted, only a few they legitimately hate each other or else you wouldn't see them have a cuddle at the end of the battle.

I think more then anything Talha bhai money is a huge factor because these people got to take care of their family's to, right now WWE or MMA can be a decent place to be from a financial point of view. And peeps who do make the switch give the WWE bit more legitimacy and they never have to worry about being taken seriously given their background. But the industry is respected a lot more then it use to be, Conors comments about WWE were timed to perfection so close to his fight against Diaz to create some publicity for his fight and I won't be shocked to see him in the WWE

Ronda has been interested in a WWE match in the past, has also had few pro-wrestling sessions; but that example of Kurt I gave "I can't lose" :))) is another thing to bear in mind so if it's a short term thing then Ronda would want to be protected

:)) Thats a cool story man!

Yea - I agree - money is the biggest draw and these guys do bring legitimacy to the WWE. In doing so - they may lose some legitimacy themselves.

I can see Ronda coming to WWE sooner or later. It's the classic question of "Why should someone make a little bit of money by getting beaten up for real, when they can make a lot of money being in 'fake' fights instead?".

However - don't worry Shazzy Bear - It's still real to us dammit!!
 
:)) Thats a cool story man!

Yea - I agree - money is the biggest draw and these guys do bring legitimacy to the WWE. In doing so - they may lose some legitimacy themselves.

I can see Ronda coming to WWE sooner or later. It's the classic question of "Why should someone make a little bit of money by getting beaten up for real, when they can make a lot of money being in 'fake' fights instead?".

However - don't worry Shazzy Bear - It's still real to us dammit!!

They never lose legitimacy, Kurt Angle is still respected and many members of the Olympic Wrestling team seek him for advice, same with Brock his MMA accomplishments are immortal and only derailed a little bit now after he got caught juicing. That's true, someone like Brock can afford that luxury being a part time special box office attraction why should he have remained in the UFC? but then again with him it was his sickness that forced him to retire from MMA and the fighter in him returned to the UFC.

Any other standard wrestler can't afford to work the schedule Brock does even if they come straight from MMA unless they are a huge draw so it wouldn't be so appealing because taking bumps 300+ days a year is incredibly painful and your body gets banged up really really bad.

It's why Punks MMA debut has been delayed for so long because of his injuries sustained during the pro-wrestling career and even Kurt Angle who competed in free-style wrestling the most intense and physically demanding individual sport in the Olympics has gone on record to say that nothing is more painful then taking bumps and even challenged Mcgregor to join him in the ring or even go toe to toe with former amateur wrestling champion Dolph Ziggler
 
You're kidding yourself KimK if you think they'd ever book Bray like they did the Undertaker. Bray is dubbed the new face of fear but he isn't booked like that, Taker was pushed as a main-event talent which was rarely buried in the 90's and this is the gimmick where he barely sold offence. Even in the AE era he rarely lost clean. The idea in itself is not bad at all, but would Bray be making as much money as Lesnar is? that's what Vince asks himself, would Bray be able to carry the Burden and rise above garbage booking in this era? Would Taker be happy putting over a youngster, especially when the streak is more prestigious then any title ?

Are you kidding me? Why would Vince ask himself if Bray can rise above booking if he is the one booking him like that? Plus, no one can rise above that crap. Imagine Heyman cutting intense promos like he does and then Brock loses every damn feud he is in. Who will care about him? And unlike Bray, he does not speak for himself. So, Heyman bigging him up will only make him look dumber.

It is a testimony to how over Bray is that Bray gets a great reaction from the crowd even after all this terrible booking. I think a well-booked Bray would have not only taken the streak, he would have run with it. He was the guy who knocked out Bryan from Rumble 15 and ironically, he was not booed because the crowd accepted it even if they did not like it. They like the character because he is so damn unique and he is not just about his gimmick. He can work as a face, heel, tweener anything. Strap the rocket that is on Brock/Roman on Bray and he will be money.

Oh and Taker was being a child during 2000s returning back unfit and refusing to job to anyone. Hell he refused to put Brock over at Unforgiven 2002 resulting in heat between the two. But I do not blame him since every top guy has done some politicking.

Brock not caring is a part of his gimmick, go listen to his interviews; he's one of the few characters that hasn't broken kayfabe. But he also isn't afraid to flip off fans like Batista when they give him crap. Lol do you even know what Andre the Giant was like? he was unbeatable and more protected then Lesnar ever was, most of the time his efforts were lazy in the ring and he was a piece of work to tango with in the ring especially if he didn't like you, he had a chip on his shoulder and had hogan sweating till the last moment before WM 3 on whether he'd actually put him over.

Lesnar really does not care. His jerk attitude is almost certainly exaggerated but he just cares about money. Even Cornette who worked with the guy in developmental called him a once-in-a-generation athlete but one who was never really motivated to push himself.

Taker had a great couple of matches last year, he was motivated to make amends for the match he had against Bray when he was out of shape and Bray never really bought the best out of him. Against Lesnar he was in the best shape of his life and it was a brilliant match at SummerSlam and HIAC, it takes two to tango and both did an amazing job in the ring.

Bray was injured in that match so they had to work a slower match. Regardless, the match gave us a memorable spider walk vs sitting up moment. Brocky's match at Mania XXX aside from the shocking ending was sluggish too because Taker was concussed.

99% of WWE stars are juicing, Kane is a juicer to and Taker to; Lesnar got caught because he wasn't careful enough and also given how USADA doping tests have become more strict. Guys like Cena, Taker, Kane, HHH and Lesnar would violate the wellness policy but they are not required to take the urine test. Psycho Kane of 2003 would not be able to justify ending the streak given his lack of drawing power, it had to be someone special and Lesnar is Special.

No proof of this. Baseless claims. Stop being a Brock mark and wake up that he is not the Brock of 2002-2004 or even 2012-13 for that matter.
 
Are you kidding me? Why would Vince ask himself if Bray can rise above booking if he is the one booking him like that? Plus, no one can rise above that crap. Imagine Heyman cutting intense promos like he does and then Brock loses every damn feud he is in. Who will care about him? And unlike Bray, he does not speak for himself. So, Heyman bigging him up will only make him look dumber.

It is a testimony to how over Bray is that Bray gets a great reaction from the crowd even after all this terrible booking. I think a well-booked Bray would have not only taken the streak, he would have run with it. He was the guy who knocked out Bryan from Rumble 15 and ironically, he was not booed because the crowd accepted it even if they did not like it. They like the character because he is so damn unique and he is not just about his gimmick. He can work as a face, heel, tweener anything. Strap the rocket that is on Brock/Roman on Bray and he will be money.

Oh and Taker was being a child during 2000s returning back unfit and refusing to job to anyone. Hell he refused to put Brock over at Unforgiven 2002 resulting in heat between the two. But I do not blame him since every top guy has done some politicking.



Lesnar really does not care. His jerk attitude is almost certainly exaggerated but he just cares about money. Even Cornette who worked with the guy in developmental called him a once-in-a-generation athlete but one who was never really motivated to push himself.



Bray was injured in that match so they had to work a slower match. Regardless, the match gave us a memorable spider walk vs sitting up moment. Brocky's match at Mania XXX aside from the shocking ending was sluggish too because Taker was concussed.



No proof of this. Baseless claims. Stop being a Brock mark and wake up that he is not the Brock of 2002-2004 or even 2012-13 for that matter.

The idea in itself is not bad at all, but would Bray be making as much money as Lesnar is? that's what Vince asks himself,

That's what I said Vince would ask Bray KimK :))

I asked you these questions:

Would Bray be able to carry the Burden and rise above garbage booking in this era? Would Taker be happy happy putting over a youngster, especially when the streak is more prestigious then any title ?

And am not a mark for Broid, Ric, HBK, Jericho, Rock are my fav. Didn't justify him juicing but prove to me others are not? and why?

Will get back to the rest of your post
 
Are you kidding me? Why would Vince ask himself if Bray can rise above booking if he is the one booking him like that? Plus, no one can rise above that crap. Imagine Heyman cutting intense promos like he does and then Brock loses every damn feud he is in. Who will care about him? And unlike Bray, he does not speak for himself. So, Heyman bigging him up will only make him look dumber.

It is a testimony to how over Bray is that Bray gets a great reaction from the crowd even after all this terrible booking. I think a well-booked Bray would have not only taken the streak, he would have run with it. He was the guy who knocked out Bryan from Rumble 15 and ironically, he was not booed because the crowd accepted it even if they did not like it. They like the character because he is so damn unique and he is not just about his gimmick. He can work as a face, heel, tweener anything. Strap the rocket that is on Brock/Roman on Bray and he will be money.

Oh and Taker was being a child during 2000s returning back unfit and refusing to job to anyone. Hell he refused to put Brock over at Unforgiven 2002 resulting in heat between the two. But I do not blame him since every top guy has done some politicking.



Lesnar really does not care. His jerk attitude is almost certainly exaggerated but he just cares about money. Even Cornette who worked with the guy in developmental called him a once-in-a-generation athlete but one who was never really motivated to push himself.



Bray was injured in that match so they had to work a slower match. Regardless, the match gave us a memorable spider walk vs sitting up moment. Brocky's match at Mania XXX aside from the shocking ending was sluggish too because Taker was concussed.



No proof of this. Baseless claims. Stop being a Brock mark and wake up that he is not the Brock of 2002-2004 or even 2012-13 for that matter.

Bray Wyatt is my favourite WWE superstar out of everyone right now! and I stand by the points you have made in regards to him. He is an absolute genius on the microphone and his gimmick is possibly the best I have seen in years! And you're right despite all the booking he has managed to be over.

Anyway Regarding Brock, besides your personal feelings about him these are your views:

1.Brock should never have ended the streak

2.Brock is a disgrace because he is a juicer

3.Brock is a god awful wrestler now and his matches are awful

4.Brock was your favourite in the RA era but he doesn't have the same skill anymore (not sure if you genuinely mean this or if it's more to do with Laziness)

5.Bray Wyatt Should have ended the streak

Majority of your points have been answered through this post of mine:

I miss the Broid of 2003 to as far as his in-ring work is concerned because a man his size with freakish talent was not only a crazy powerhouse but he was also technically sound given his olympic style wrestling background. His matches against Kurt Angle are the stuff of a legend and to be able to go toe to toe, blow for blow with someone like Kurt just goes to show how good you are. Broid is just as talented in the ring now as he was back then but his gimmick doesn't allow him to put on technical masterpieces because it would defeat the purpose of his gimmick.

You have to look at him in the same way as Andre The Giant; another special box-office attraction. In addition to Broid's success in the Octogon and him having beaten Undertaker you'd expect him to get booked like this unstoppable beast which doesn't sell as much and dominates his opponents or else it would have been a big waste if they booked like like sh!t. WWE also don't have the likes of The Rock, Austin, Kurt etc around anymore and Taker is only available at Mania so Broid is a huge draw for them which they need to protect and the only active Part-Timer who actually gets involved in feuds and wrestles.

If Broid weren't a draw Dana wouldn't have given him the highest pay day in the history of the UFC during the 200 PPV, if Broid weren't a draw Vince wouldn't pay him the same as what he gives his top stars but with fewer dates. Broid is a huge draw amongst smarks, casuals and fans like myself who were huge fans of the ruthless aggression era and the early 2000's period, Broid also is a mainstream superstar and the only one in the WWE other then John Cena. Who Broid gets to bury is not up to him, it's up to Vince. Broid would put over kofi kingston for all he cares so long he is paid handsomley but Vince decides who he defeats and who puts him over, Broid has never been one to engage in backstage politics and during his run in the WWE has never refused the job.

Orton is not a main-stream phenomenon like Broid so Vince allowed him to put over guys like Cesaro, Rollins etc he has always been seen as the no.2 guy below Cena. Cena as the no.1 star and mainstream phenomenon has also been protected, a missed opportunity with Orton was that they didn't push him on the level of Cena despite him remaining a huge star.

Roman Reigns has been doing a brilliant job in 2016 and he is my favourite member of the shield at the moment closely followed by Dean Ambrose. Seth Rollins is the most overrated wrestler in the history of pro-wrestling closely followed by HHH. Going back to Broid, that's how his gimmick works basically and while his matches are booked 80-20 in favour of him when it comes to the offence he gets in I'd like to see that change to 70-30 or 60-40; I'd also like to see him sell a bit more and be more open artistically in the ring and motivated. Prior to ending the streak he had some brilliant matches with HHH, Cena and Punk but then they changed his gimmick justifiably and then altered his in-ring style to.

I had high hopes for Broid v Ambrose at mania, it was such a brilliant feud and it was booked in a way which had me expecting the match to be crazy and possibly a little similar to Punk/Lesnar, maybe a bit more bloody/violent but Ambrose has said on the Austin podcast that artistically Broid was not open to his vision and he was met with Laziness in the ring. From that perspective you could say Ambrose was buried unfortunately and it took quiet a bit for him to recover from that but he's doing quiet well for himself right now! After getting caught juicing there's a good chance that Broid's gimmick could undergo another change where he is no longer booked like an immortal beast and there's also a small possibility that Orton might go over.

His Laziness vs Ambrose was quiet disappointing, perhaps Broid didn't respect him. His matches against Undertaker have been very good, really enjoyed the match v Taker at SummerSlam last year and the Hell in a Cell match; Broid has always spoken highly of Taker and he's someone he has great respect for. The match v Reigns at mania 31 was also decent, I liked it. Here's the other thing, Broid has Dana and Vince by their nuts. He doesn't need the UFC or the WWE they need him.

As far as he is concerned he'd be happy going awol on his farm because that's the type of life he enjoys more then anything. So say a Dean has an issue with his laziness do you really think Vince is going to complain to Broid about it? Vince would want to keep Broid happy at all costs, in any other universe Vince would never release a wrestler who is under contract to participate in another promotion but the Broid gets what the Broid wants

Regarding juicing, PED's do not necessarily result in muscle gain there are different types of PED's which an athlete can be make use off. Now leathers think about this with a cool head, we both know how intense the schedule is for a pro-wrestler, you factor in the bumps they take, all the house shows they have to do do on top of the live events, how banged up their body becomes and the fact that there is no off season and they're always on the road putting their bodies on the line 24/7 300+ days a year can you honestly tell me that those stars handle the life style of a pro-wrestler with no use of PED's? you're kidding yourself KimK! Just look at what's happening around you, doping is rapant big time! and it is only now that more people are getting caught is because the testing is more intense.

WWE do not test their stars as much as USADA does and you got to be kidding me if you think guys like Cena, HHH etc are not on steds or PED's! Orton has been caught but many of their stars including Randy get leeway big time. The Wellness policy also says that part time performers are not required to be tested. Not justifying Lesnar's use of PED's at all but lets not kid ourself with regards to other wrestlers.

The other big issue you have is with the streak, okay I agree with you to yes Bray Wyatt should have ended the streak but do you honestly believe that 3 years on Bray Wyatt would be a main-stream phenomenon even with a monster push? Would Taker be happy with putting him over? Would Bray be the sought of guy you use to bring in the casuals when it comes to Network subscriptions? in fact is there anyone?

Not saying Broid is perfect but at least he is a part-timer who hangs around and actually works angles, it brings more eyes to the product and if he didn't then he'd have been suspended to in the aftermath of Brock's doping. He is a promoters dream and criminally underrated but am not going to argue with you as far as his attitude is concerned, laziness and potentially not caring on any level because these are debatable. but not the other points imo
 
NXT Takeover special is on today, not as excited for the event given the lack of effort to build up the matches. But the card should deliver as far as the wrestling is concerned. NXT writing team is not as good anymore because Ryan Ward has left for Smackdown and also the lack of effort due to the fact that NXT shows are taped and feel more like glorified house shows then anything else

Look forward to Joke/Nakamura and Bayley/Asuka
 
Kane is yet to show us he cares about the WWE by calling out Mcgregor for his bs the coward, he doesn't care about the fans only money that's why he is happy jobbing to Heath Slater and also because he knows his place
 
[MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] [MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION] you guys staying up for NXT special?
 
[MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] [MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION] you guys staying up for NXT special?

Nah, my internet is too lousy, will download it and watch it later.
 
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Nah, my internet is too lousy, will download it and watch it later.

Did you listen to Brock Interview with Sam Roberts? it was epic :)) those mic skills though, and you get peeps out of their depth who say Broid don't care about WWE or its fans when they are not smart enough to distinguish between kayfabe and non kayfabe
 
Did you listen to Brock Interview with Sam Roberts? it was epic :)) those mic skills though, and you get peeps out of their depth who say Broid don't care about WWE or its fans when they are not smart enough to distinguish between kayfabe and non kayfabe

Lmaoo yeah that was epic, buried Conor in 5 minutes. It's natural for someone who's spent so much time being affiliated with a company and this business to care about it.
 
NXT Takeover was an excellent show all round, worth watching every match. The match of the night was the NXT title match
 
[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] no prediction competition for Summer Slam? :(

I have exams bro or I'd have set something up :( and [MENTION=3474]TalhaSyed[/MENTION] [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] are retired
 
Missed summerslam and will miss raw too due to work. Nikki is back! Lovely to have her on SD.

As usual, Brocky with a lame match burying his opponent. Crowd hated the match. If this is special attraction, then I'm done people. I'm over Brock. Smarks are over Brock and hopefully, his few wrestling fans will see the light and understand how much Brock and his matches are hurting the product.
 
Missed summerslam and will miss raw too due to work. Nikki is back! Lovely to have her on SD.

As usual, Brocky with a lame match burying his opponent. Crowd hated the match. If this is special attraction, then I'm done people. I'm over Brock. Smarks are over Brock and hopefully, his few wrestling fans will see the light and understand how much Brock and his matches are hurting the product.

Kane couldn't even make it on the pre-show this year

:)))

And haters gona hate, but Brock Lesnar is here to stay :afridi he is one of the greatest draws of all time and not every fan has the intelligence to appreciate his value to the WWE, thank god for Vincent Kennedy McMahon

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#BURN
 
SummerSlam was a fantastic PPV. Match of the night was Styles v Cena, Balor/Seth and The Womens title match were also very good. The WWE Universal title is a better heel then Seth Rollins :))) speaking of the title they should made it a bit different to distinguish from the WWE title but it's still okay. The Main-Event was great and it was what it needed to be, an absolute MASSACRE; good god almighty there was BLOOD literally. Looks like we'll be getting Lesnar v Shane soon, I wanted to Goldberg to come out at the end but alas it wasn't to be. [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION]
 
SummerSlam was a fantastic PPV. Match of the night was Styles v Cena, Balor/Seth and The Womens title match were also very good. The WWE Universal title is a better heel then Seth Rollins :))) speaking of the title they should made it a bit different to distinguish from the WWE title but it's still okay. The Main-Event was great and it was what it needed to be, an absolute MASSACRE; good god almighty there was BLOOD literally. Looks like we'll be getting Lesnar v Shane soon, I wanted to Goldberg to come out at the end but alas it wasn't to be. [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION]

I think they are going the UFC with having similar designs for all titles. But yeah the Universal titles sucks :))) I think Brock legit busted him open with those elbow shots. Dude is a monster lmao.
 
I think they are going the UFC with having similar designs for all titles. But yeah the Universal titles sucks :))) I think Brock legit busted him open with those elbow shots. Dude is a monster lmao.

:))) it got the most heat on thr night the title is over, what match was your fav? Ending was scripted, Orton bladed. Look at amount of blood, was a deep cut and repeated shots at the end there to give beast a lethal/bloody KO win. When he busted Cena teeth few years back that was a legit mukkah :)))
 
:))) it got the most heat on thr night the title is over, what match was your fav? Ending was scripted, Orton bladed. Look at amount of blood, was a deep cut and repeated shots at the end there to give beast a lethal/bloody KO win. When he busted Cena teeth few years back that was a legit mukkah :)))

I'd say the AJ-Cena match, that was a great mtach with a perfect finish. So happy they put AJ over, they've created a legit superstar in AJ now.

Yeah you're right it was most probably scripted. But Orton may have just bled the hard way because I saw a pic of his injury and it doesn't look like a blade cut.

Check it out
RANDY2.jpg
 
I'd say the AJ-Cena match, that was a great mtach with a perfect finish. So happy they put AJ over, they've created a legit superstar in AJ now.

Yeah you're right it was most probably scripted. But Orton may have just bled the hard way because I saw a pic of his injury and it doesn't look like a blade cut.

Check it out
RANDY2.jpg

Lesnar hits the opposite side of his head, never the area gashed with his elbow.

It's a blade imo, botched up by Lesnar repeatedly pounding on Ortons arm. His hand with the tape is directly over the injury site, which wasn't being hit until after the blading, and only with fists. I've seen dudes in MMA get hit more viciously with elbows but don't bleed out as much like that

That's what I think but you could be right to, Brock works stiff and Orton tends to troll as well when things dont go his way or he isn't happy with the match, it looked like he was sandbagging Lesnar during the germans :))) Broid may have decided to bury him like that
 
No wonder his stock is on the slide of late. Just goes to show how good guys like Brett, HBK etc were who never injured anyone in their entire careers.
People have the audacity to compare him to HBK :facepalm: beyond me, guy is absolutely boring on the mic to.

Out of all these guys they push, AJ is the most complete A/R performer. They'd go places if they push him as hard as Rollins/Balor who idolised styles and are inferior versions of him
 
Altercation between Jericho and Lesnar backstage according to Meltzer.

http://www.f4wonline.com/wwe-news/brock-lesnar-chris-jericho-heated-altercation-summerslam-219211

The ending of the Randy Orton vs. Brock Lesnar SummerSlam match, which went pretty much as planned, led to a verbal and somewhat physical confrontation between Lesnar and Chris Jericho last night.

According to multiple sources, Jericho came to the gorilla position just as the match ended, apparently to see if Orton was okay and to find out what exactly happened. He asked Michael Hayes what the finish was or if that was the finish. Hayes wouldn't answer him at which point Jericho said, "That's bullsh*t."

Jericho said that just as Lesnar came back from the ring. Lesnar thought he was talking about his match, and called Jericho a ***** according to one version, or "shut up" according to another, and to mind his own business. The two got face-to-face and started exchanging words, with one version saying they were shouting at each other the whole time.

Lesnar pushed Jericho with his fingers, and Jericho did what was described as the "Rousey-Tate" foreheed press. One version also had Jericho shoving Lesnar to the wall at one point.

They got tangled up against the wall and Lesnar told Jericho to punch him or kiss him. Paul "HHH" Levesque jumped in quickly and broke it up. It was heated enough that they went back at it at which time Vince McMahon broke it up. Jericho started yelling about Lesnar and McMahon told Jericho that it was all a work and to be professional.

Levesque reportedly told McMahon that Lesnar started it, and Jericho was just standing up for himself but there were more words exchanged.

Jericho saw Orton and got mad, which everyone noted was because he was concerned with Orton's health and safety. Orton reportedly assured him that he knew the way everything was coming.
 

Jericho is tough, don't mess with him Lesnar, just ask Goldberg.......

Anyhow it seems like there were misunderstandings and things escalated, if Lesnar is so insecure about his matches maybe he should stop being lazy unless he's facing Taker :akhtar

But I thoroughly enjoyed reading that, have not heard off an incident of that magnitude in a while. It's almost as if Misbah has been handling P.R for WWE :yk

Your thoughts on SummerSlam Markhor? Do you still follow the PPV's
 
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Haven't watched a lick of Summerslam yet, will post a review once I've watched some matches.
 
Haven't watched a lick of Summerslam yet, will post a review once I've watched some matches.

It's a long show, I'd say it is worth checking out the following:

Enzo/Cass promo opening the event

Sasha v Charlotte

Cena v Styles

Balor v Seth

Orton v Brock
 
[MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] Seth is the greatest wrestler of all time, he ended Sting's career, injured Cena/Broke-his-nose, injured himself and now may have injured Balor to:
http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/746...-summerslam-match-possibly-undergoing-surgery

Rollins the heel is unbearable. He also has to ditch that pathetic buckle power bomb. The idiot might just paralyse someone with it. Add to that his annoying whiny voice. He needs a face run.

As for Brocky, I saw shades of his brilliant 2003 heel run where he was destroying cruiserweights for fun. But those were Smackdown matches. This is the main event of Summerslam against a 12 time world champion. Lame match. But Brock marks like shazzy bear will eat it up as usual.

They are now building towards Shane vs Brocky. Will we see a real death in the ring now? Will Vince sacrifice his own son for a roid freak?
 
Rollins the heel is unbearable. He also has to ditch that pathetic buckle power bomb. The idiot might just paralyse someone with it. Add to that his annoying whiny voice. He needs a face run.

As for Brocky, I saw shades of his brilliant 2003 heel run where he was destroying cruiserweights for fun. But those were Smackdown matches. This is the main event of Summerslam against a 12 time world champion. Lame match. But Brock marks like shazzy bear will eat it up as usual.

They are now building towards Shane vs Brocky. Will we see a real death in the ring now? Will Vince sacrifice his own son for a roid freak?

He is god awful as it is and incredibly overrated by smarks, he is a poor excuse for a wrestler who should be banned for 10 years. When you step in that squared circle it is your job to take good care of your opponent and it's what the likes of Bret, Jericho and Shawn have taken great pride in and have ensured the safety of their opponent throughout there careers without killing anyone thankfully which Seth seems to be desperately trying to do.

I aint a Brock mark I just have a better appreciation, intelligence and understanding of his value and gimmick :akhtar As far as the match was concerned Brock can be lazy/work stiff didn't deny that (how many guys has he injured like Seth?) but you failed to factor in how long the PPV was or who was responsible for booking the match; didn't say it was perfect but the ending was.

Am not really interested in Shane/Brock, wanted Goldberg to come back there....him and WWE have patched things up. Also I think if there was a wrestler to sacrifice to Brock look no further then the steroid abusing, pay check collecting Kane :yk the WWE isn't a charity leathers :yk2

Btw Jericho is such a bad@ss he is 2-0 in street fights against Goldberg and Broid :)))
 
[MENTION=95766]leatherface58[/MENTION]

Who do you want as the champ now please don't say concessions Kane, here are the options:

Kevin Owens

Big Cass

Roman Reigns

Seth Rollins

Right now Styles is the most complete performer in the world, he'd have been an ideal candidate but is on the SD brand. Cesaro despite his lack of mic ability is a good face with incredible skills in the ring so he could have been an option, Sami Zayn is a decent A/R performer to but he's no longer a candidate but he'd have been one of the wrestlers on my list.

The ideal scenario would be to turn Seth Rollins face and Roman Reigns heel even though I like what he is doing now and he is somewhat in-between a heel and face.

Then I'd put the belt on either Kevin Owens or Roman Reigns, the only way KO wins the title is if Seth turns face. Roman and Seth are the favourites to win the title though and I doubt they will turn Rollins.

I think out of the lot KO is the perfect candidate but he is feuding with Enzo and Cass. Big Cass is one for the future but it's not his time yet.

This would be my personal choice for the Universal Champ though

 
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[MENTION=95766]leatherface58[/MENTION]

Who do you want as the champ now please don't say concessions Kane, here are the options:

Kevin Owens

Big Cass

Roman Reigns

Seth Rollins

Right now Styles is the most complete performer in the world, he'd have been an ideal candidate but is on the SD brand. Cesaro despite his lack of mic ability is a good face with incredible skills in the ring so he could have been an option, Sami Zayn is a decent A/R performer to but he's no longer a candidate but he'd have been one of the wrestlers on my list.

The ideal scenario would be to turn Seth Rollins face and Roman Reigns heel even though I like what he is doing now and he is somewhat in-between a heel and face.

Then I'd put the belt on either Kevin Owens or Roman Reigns, the only way KO wins the title is if Seth turns face. Roman and Seth are the favourites to win the title though and I doubt they will turn Rollins.

I think out of the lot KO is the perfect candidate but he is feuding with Enzo and Cass. Big Cass is one for the future but it's not his time yet.

This would be my personal choice for the Universal Champ though


Roman Reigns
 
Rollins the heel is unbearable. He also has to ditch that pathetic buckle power bomb. The idiot might just paralyse someone with it. Add to that his annoying whiny voice. He needs a face run.

As for Brocky, I saw shades of his brilliant 2003 heel run where he was destroying cruiserweights for fun. But those were Smackdown matches. This is the main event of Summerslam against a 12 time world champion. Lame match. But Brock marks like shazzy bear will eat it up as usual.

They are now building towards Shane vs Brocky. Will we see a real death in the ring now? Will Vince sacrifice his own son for a roid freak?

they only had 9 minutes left for the match after the introductions. Very poor by WWE, should have put the 2nd Women match in Pre Show
 
Really loving this Kevin Owens and Jericho friendship

Its the best thing thats happened since The Mizz and Sandow (stunt double gimmick)
 
For all those people calling for equal booking now for Brock, they need to remember that WWE has only really truly leveled on guy with Brock. Yes Goldberg went over, however it was Hardcore Holly who was truly booked to hurt Lesnar as bad as he does to others
 
[MENTION=95766]leatherface58[/MENTION]

Who do you want as the champ now please don't say concessions Kane, here are the options:

Kevin Owens

Big Cass

Roman Reigns

Seth Rollins

Right now Styles is the most complete performer in the world, he'd have been an ideal candidate but is on the SD brand. Cesaro despite his lack of mic ability is a good face with incredible skills in the ring so he could have been an option, Sami Zayn is a decent A/R performer to but he's no longer a candidate but he'd have been one of the wrestlers on my list.

The ideal scenario would be to turn Seth Rollins face and Roman Reigns heel even though I like what he is doing now and he is somewhat in-between a heel and face.

Then I'd put the belt on either Kevin Owens or Roman Reigns, the only way KO wins the title is if Seth turns face. Roman and Seth are the favourites to win the title though and I doubt they will turn Rollins.

I think out of the lot KO is the perfect candidate but he is feuding with Enzo and Cass. Big Cass is one for the future but it's not his time yet.

This would be my personal choice for the Universal Champ though



I would have Jericho and KO as the tag champions. Man they are entertaining. :)))

KO is my new favorite wrestler after Jericho. Reigns for all the criticism his character gets, is a very good wrestler and has never hurt anybody. The smarks still cheer Rollins despite him being so reckless. Bret might be old and a bit bitter but he never changes his views and this will just prove him right that Rollins is reckless.

I would have the following as universal champs:

KO

Roman

Seth

Big Cass as universal champ? :))

Let him build up first.

Cesaro would do a good job too.
 
I would have Jericho and KO as the tag champions. Man they are entertaining. :)))

KO is my new favorite wrestler after Jericho. Reigns for all the criticism his character gets, is a very good wrestler and has never hurt anybody. The smarks still cheer Rollins despite him being so reckless. Bret might be old and a bit bitter but he never changes his views and this will just prove him right that Rollins is reckless.

I would have the following as universal champs:

KO

Roman

Seth

Big Cass as universal champ? :))

Let him build up first.

Cesaro would do a good job too.

Am glad Jericho continues to pick up victories, him and KO have amazing chemistry; the Kane/Bryan kind of chemistry.

Those are the names who have qualified for the tournament semi finals, out of those wrestlers in my post one will be crowned champion on RAW next week. I can't see anyone other then Seth or Reigns winning but I just pray Seth doesn't win, anyone but you Seth anyone but you.

Big Cass has huge potential plus Vince must be on the brink of orgasam seeing a big dude like him, he is the dark horse but an upset is possible. It is better they don't pull the trigger on him, he got a good thing going with Enzo. They'd have learned from Balor to.

RAW should be good next week now because we'll see who the champion is, if it's Seth am never going to post in this thread again

Also, I don't think Bray Wyatt is going to be world champion; he has managed to be over for so long but it's almost as if he's getting the Ziggler treatment. At mania I expect him to battle HHH though so that will be great for him if Darth Burius puts him over

And RIP Dudley Boyz leathers they are noooo more :(
 
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I would have Jericho and KO as the tag champions. Man they are entertaining. :)))

KO is my new favorite wrestler after Jericho. Reigns for all the criticism his character gets, is a very good wrestler and has never hurt anybody. The smarks still cheer Rollins despite him being so reckless. Bret might be old and a bit bitter but he never changes his views and this will just prove him right that Rollins is reckless.

I would have the following as universal champs:

KO

Roman

Seth

Big Cass as universal champ? :))

Let him build up first.

Cesaro would do a good job too.

it's really pisses me off to see Cesaro on mid card level for eternity
 
[MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] the bookies don't have Mickey Gall as the overwhelming favourite but then again that may be due to odds being rubbish on sky bet [MENTION=131867]London_Lahori[/MENTION]
 
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