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BunnyRabbit said:
Have said it many times, The Rock vs Hogan at Mania 18 is one of my favorite matches of all time. It didn't need technical wizardry or even a good feud leading to it. It was just clash of two generations at the biggest occasion possible. Dwayne's said a lot of times how he was not sure if he would be the winner after the match is over cause match endings could be changed on the spot or Hogan hoganing stuff up. They hadn't even practiced the match before cause Hogan wasn't physically fully fit. Hogan called all the spots in the match after seeing the reaction of the crowd and they deviated from some of the spots they were initially going to do. He also said during the final moments, hogan apparently said you're going over after the people's elbow.

Back in 2002, I had woken up at 5 ish in the morning to watch Mania live at Supersports. Everything afterwards in Hogan's run was meh apart from his tag team with Edge.

Hogan vs Angle at KOR 2002 is the second one and was pretty good that put over Ankle lock as an inescapable hold.

Apart from that, don't think Hogan's matches deviated much from the usual Hogan template. But his matches in his first run had the crowd firmly behind him and he did have that infectious positive charisma that would take over and made you enjoy them. Hogan vs Savage was also pretty good.
Hogan vs Warrior was a short one but entertaining.
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Hogan & Warrior was like a modern match, even after the entrances, they worked for like 25 mins at WM 6, it was epic match really which silenced the growing smark community & non-kayfabe magazines. When you consider how huge they were and their conditioning as a result, to work that level of psychological match was insane for the WWF in 1990. I think even the Observer or PWI (who are more like the Observer these days) gave it the MOTY award.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Still can't believe these idiots gave this match away on free TV, instead of PPV
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Short-sighted, no long term planning. They got their ego dented in the ratings war and didn’t look at any other aspect of their programming & product, ended up getting desperate & with sh!t stain in their corner, the days were numbered.
 
shaz619 said:
Short-sighted, no long term planning. They got their ego dented in the ratings war and didn’t look at any other aspect of their programming & product, ended up getting desperate & with sh!t stain in their corner, the days were numbered.
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Yeah it was all about beating RAW in the ratings and helping themselves (Bischoff, Hogan), rather than doing what was best for the company. I read somewhere that the revenue from the PPVs went to Warner Home Video which is what made them do this match on a random Nitro, because they weren't going to see that money anyway. Sums up WCW in a nutshell.
 
shaz619 said:
He got Hoganed by Kurt as well ;) The story behind that is hilarious btw, I wont spoil it bur Kurt has done some interviews on YT.

In WCW, unequivocally the match with Bill in the Georgia Dome for all the reasons you mentioned and it’s one of the most re-watchable moments/matches from that era for me.

In Japan, all the matches he had with The Great Muta, showed how good he actually was in the ring & how a lot of what he did for the WWE was inherently driven by ring psychology, against all opponents/sizes he had the best matches possible in a high profile scenario. I think WCW tainted that rep but who is silly enough to give complete creative control to wrestlers these days ? There is somebody, and he don’t even have a Hogan :yk

In WWE, there’s a lot to pick from but for me personally, it’s The Rock & Hogan as well, arguably the greatest match of all time, the match itself was great and it represented truly what it means to get the audience to suspend their disbelief, multi-layered narrative, the perfect dance partner and a magical crowd which Hogan created; the best part is that, it wasn’t just one of those audiences for a big event, they completely switched off for Triple H right after 💀 It’s my second most re-watched match ever and bought back the red & yellow, Hogan’s comeback on the whole was pretty decent come to think of it & teenage me was so thrilled even by the Mr. America storyline :yk
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I'm glad you brought up Japan, because that part of Hogan's career doesn't get talked about enough. I've seen a few matches sparingly over the years, but he's almost unrecognizable when it comes to the wrestling. He actually worked hard there, and was wrestling a more technical style, with mat-based grappling, submissions... he even traded in the signature leg drop for the Axe Bomber. He wrestled a bunch of big names, from Muta to Stan Hansen, Tenryu, and Fujinami, over multiple tours. Which just goes to show, he could wrestle when he wanted to. And honestly, it also tells you why he's one of the smartest guys in the history of wrestling: he got by on that leg drop and like five other moves for over twenty years and still became the biggest draw in the business.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Have said it many times, The Rock vs Hogan at Mania 18 is one of my favorite matches of all time. It didn't need technical wizardry or even a good feud leading to it. It was just clash of two generations at the biggest occasion possible. Dwayne's said a lot of times how he was not sure if he would be the winner after the match is over cause match endings could be changed on the spot or Hogan hoganing stuff up. They hadn't even practiced the match before cause Hogan wasn't physically fully fit. Hogan called all the spots in the match after seeing the reaction of the crowd and they deviated from some of the spots they were initially going to do. He also said during the final moments, hogan apparently said you're going over after the people's elbow.

Back in 2002, I had woken up at 5 ish in the morning to watch Mania live at Supersports. Everything afterwards in Hogan's run was meh apart from his tag team with Edge.

Hogan vs Angle at KOR 2002 is the second one and was pretty good that put over Ankle lock as an inescapable hold.

Apart from that, don't think Hogan's matches deviated much from the usual Hogan template. But his matches in his first run had the crowd firmly behind him and he did have that infectious positive charisma that would take over and made you enjoy them. Hogan vs Savage was also pretty good.
Hogan vs Warrior was a short one but entertaining.
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Looking back, I have mostly positive feelings about his nostalgia run. It was short and sweet. Didn't overstay it's welcome and he was made to do the job on his way out (willingly or unwillingly) when Brock annihilated him on RAW. He came back for that match with Vince, and then later, Shawn and Randy, but for me 2002 is where his full-time career ended.

Rock and Hogan actually had a rematch of that WrestleMania 18 match at No Way Out 2003. But surprisingly no one seems to recall it even happened. Although tbf I have no memory of that match either eventhough I recall seeing it.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I'm glad you brought up Japan, because that part of Hogan's career doesn't get talked about enough. I've seen a few matches sparingly over the years, but he's almost unrecognizable when it comes to the wrestling. He actually worked hard there, and was wrestling a more technical style, with mat-based grappling, submissions... he even traded in the signature leg drop for the Axe Bomber. He wrestled a bunch of big names, from Muta to Stan Hansen, Tenryu, and Fujinami, over multiple tours. Which just goes to show, he could wrestle when he wanted to. And honestly, it also tells you why he's one of the smartest guys in the history of wrestling: he got by on that leg drop and like five other moves for over twenty years and still became the biggest draw in the business.
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Hogan mentioned his biggest regret was picking the leg drop as his finisher due to the impact on his back & all the surgeries he has required, just reinforces your post and how he thought in the ring, I don’t know if it was the Torture Rack or Axe Bomber or Big Boot, he mentioned that one of those moves should have been his finisher. In Japan, he also had his own variant of the Kenny Omega V-Trigger, it actually looks pretty devastating with a big guy like that doing it lol I think Hogan was really good at knowing his audience and when to and when not to have a certain type of match.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Looking back, I have mostly positive feelings about his nostalgia run. It was short and sweet. Didn't overstay it's welcome and he was made to do the job on his way out (willingly or unwillingly) when Brock annihilated him on RAW. He came back for that match with Vince, and then later, Shawn and Randy, but for me 2002 is where his full-time career ended.

Rock and Hogan actually had a rematch of that WrestleMania 18 match at No Way Out 2003. But surprisingly no one seems to recall it even happened. Although tbf I have no memory of that match either eventhough I recall seeing it.
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Trips has yet to end his own nostalgia run since the past 10-15 years
 
shaz619 said:
Yeah it was around 2005/2006 probably about 10 years earlier, I think he did have some weird views but I don’t feel he was like full on KKK
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This feels like something from that reality show he was doing at one point with his family. Hogan Knows Best
 
shaz619 said:
Yeah it was around 2005/2006 probably about 10 years earlier, I think he did have some weird views but I don’t feel he was like full on KKK
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Yeah he wasn't too bad. These dudes grew up in different times and worked in a proper red neck industry lol. Hard to be politically correct all the time.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Interested to know what your guys' favorite Hogan match is.

I’m going with a slightly different pick: Hulk Hogan vs. Goldberg on Nitro at the Georgia Dome for the WCW World Heavyweight Championship.

When Hogan was motivated, you could just tell. Apparently, it was his idea to put over Goldberg in front of a packed Atlanta crowd, Goldberg’s hometown, no less. I don’t know if it was a case of Hogan wanting to soak up some of Goldberg’s momentum or if he genuinely wanted to do something positive, but either way, he helped make Goldberg an even bigger star that night. The crowd was absolutely electric. It created one of the most iconic wrestling moments of the 90s and helped launch Goldberg into the stratosphere.

His best match unquestionably has to be the match against Rock at WrestleMania 18. Besides the crowd reaction, he really did work a fantastic match. Like I said, when he was motivated you could just tell.

Honorable mention for favorite match: Hogan v Shawn at SummerSlam 2005, for all the wrong reasons.

One of his more underrated matches for me is probably the match he had with Vince at WrestleMania 19, but maybe that's just my nostalgia talking as I saw that match a very long time ago.
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Hogan vs The Rock, hands down. That is one of my most-watched matches of all time. Even though I am not a big Rock fan, I give him credit for putting on a fantastic match. Everything about the match was perfect. The staredown at the beginning, the crowd reaction, the match itself and then Hogan turning face after the match. That match perfectly describes the essence of professional wrestling for me.
 
It still makes me sad that Hogan vs Austin never happened at a Mania or anywhere. Surely, Vince could have convinced both of them. That was my biggest dream match as a kid back in the mid-2000s. Such a shame that it never happened.
 
The_KING said:
It still makes me sad that Hogan vs Austin never happened at a Mania or anywhere. Surely, Vince could have convinced both of them. That was my biggest dream match as a kid back in the mid-2000s. Such a shame that it never happened.
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Original plan for WrestleMania 18 was Austin v Hogan. But Austin was unwilling to work with Hogan because he didn't him. Especially after the Austin's experience of working alongside him when he was a midcarder in WCW. They pivoted to Hogan v Rock, which was the next biggest match. And personally I'm glad they did because I don't think Austin v Hogan would have been as good as Rock v Hogan. By 2002 Austin was battling injuries and his relationship with Vince was beginning to deteriorate.

For me, Austin//Hogan is another dream match liek Sting v Undertaker, that probably sounds better in our head then it would in practice.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Original plan for WrestleMania 18 was Austin v Hogan. But Austin was unwilling to work with Hogan because he didn't him. Especially after the Austin's experience of working alongside him when he was a midcarder in WCW. They pivoted to Hogan v Rock, which was the next biggest match. And personally I'm glad they did because I don't think Austin v Hogan would have been as good as Rock v Hogan. By 2002 Austin was battling injuries and his relationship with Vince was beginning to deteriorate.

For me, Austin//Hogan is another dream match liek Sting v Undertaker, that probably sounds better in our head then it would in practice.
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I am aware that they were meant to face in 2002, and I am glad that it didn't happen, as we got Rock vs Hogan, and that was a masterpiece.

But I wish we could have had a match between them around 2004-05. And I believe that Austin would have got a good match out of Hogan. Austin was too good a worker to have a stinker.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Yeah he wasn't too bad. These dudes grew up in different times and worked in a proper red neck industry lol. Hard to be politically correct all the time.
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The problems fans have had with him revolve around what a compulsive liar he has been in recent times, whenever he is interviewed as Hogan or showing up to promote something, the guy just makes stuff up. You look at stars like Undertaker & Austin, wrestling fans are aware that they lean towards the right on the political spectrum but they are still loved because they are generally quiet decent, I am not saying Terry isn’t, but Hogan unfortunately never came across that way post retirement.
 
Wrestling fans are some of the worst sub-human trash you'll ever come across. Pointing out Hogan was a racist can now lead to you getting verbally abused online and receiving death threats. Some of these incels desperately need to move out of their parents' basement and go touch some grass. Just because someone has died doesn't mean you completely ignore the type of person they were when they lived.

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