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Triple H is just a terrible booker. How do you fumble a PPV in a hot city like Chicago, in an arena like United Center, where you the have Punk headlining the show as champion?

Punk v Balor was okay. Other than that it was a very disappointing card.

The final stretch of the main-event was absolutely preposterous and totally defeated the purpose of a match like the Elimination Chamber, where the whole idea is that these six guys can't escape, and nobody can get in.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Triple H is just a terrible booker. How do you fumble a PPV in a hot city like Chicago, in an arena like United Center, where you the have Punk headlining the show as champion?

Punk v Balor was okay. Other than that it was a very disappointing card.

The final stretch of the main-event was absolutely preposterous and totally defeated the purpose of a match like the Elimination Chamber, where the whole idea is that these six guys can't escape, and nobody can get in.
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The more he books, the worse it keeps getting.
There should have been atleast 1 or 2 more matches.
What's a PPV with just 4 matches. Criminal to the fans who paid so much to attend the show.
 
Also Sami Zayn feels completely worthless at this point. Whatever push is coming in 2095 ain't worth the damage they are doing to him right now. They have turned him into a completely feckless underdog babyface who make these big speeches and promises, and then they just gets beat like a government mule. I'm starting to feel like I might have a decent chance of beating him. Why the hell should anyone care about a character like that? They had the golden opportunity to pull the trigger on him at Elimination Chamber in Montreal in 2023 but didn't have the guts to do it.

So much of wrestling is about being instinctive. You need to be willing to listen to the voice of the fans and change your plans when the situation demands it. You can't be so rigid and set in your plans that you ignore what the fans want. They have completely destroyed a potential top babyface in Sami Zayn.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Also Sami Zayn feels completely worthless at this point. Whatever push is coming in 2095 ain't worth the damage they are doing to him right now. They have turned him into a completely feckless underdog babyface who make these big speeches and promises, and then they just gets beat like a government mule. I'm starting to feel like I might have a decent chance of beating him. Why the hell should anyone care about a character like that? They had the golden opportunity to pull the trigger on him at Elimination Chamber in Montreal in 2023 but didn't have the guts to do it.

So much of wrestling is about being instinctive. You need to be willing to listen to the voice of the fans and change your plans when the situation demands it. You can't be so rigid and set in your plans that you ignore what the fans want. They have completely destroyed a potential top babyface in Sami Zayn.
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This is done bro. I only tune in if punk, Drew, Fatu, Randy or LA are having a segment or match.

Just waiting for this nepo dog to step down.

UFC or boxing is far more entertaining rn with elements of “sport entertainment” with the bad blood, pre fight and post fight trash talk, trilogies etc while being real sport.

Vince took this pro wrestling thing to such a level that despite it not being an actual sport, it was right up there WITH actual sport in terms of viewership. You saw Cena, Taker Austin right up there with NFL, Football, Boxing stars in terms of presence.

Watched RAF this weekend I think freestyle wrestling championship between a UFC Armenian dude (Arman) and a state champ in US famous for his “take me down and win $1k” challenge (Georgio) and that was far more entertaining down to their braw over real life heat. Smoked Elimination chamber out of the water
 
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RedwoodOriginal said:
Triple H is just a terrible booker. How do you fumble a PPV in a hot city like Chicago, in an arena like United Center, where you the have Punk headlining the show as champion?

Punk v Balor was okay. Other than that it was a very disappointing card.

The final stretch of the main-event was absolutely preposterous and totally defeated the purpose of a match like the Elimination Chamber, where the whole idea is that these six guys can't escape, and nobody can get in.
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He has been horrible
McMahon despite his flaws was much better
Back in day it was fun to watch used to watch every show
Now I don't even know who is winning
Only came back to watch Cena retirement tour which was another embarrassment to such a great wrestler
WWE under triple H has been below average
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Triple H is just a terrible booker. How do you fumble a PPV in a hot city like Chicago, in an arena like United Center, where you the have Punk headlining the show as champion?

Punk v Balor was okay. Other than that it was a very disappointing card.

The final stretch of the main-event was absolutely preposterous and totally defeated the purpose of a match like the Elimination Chamber, where the whole idea is that these six guys can't escape, and nobody can get in.
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They used the chamber to set up his puthar vs Logan Paul - who got 3 eliminations like Lesnar Sahib and ‘now my puthar Logan Paul is a main-eventer and I want you to help me put a rocket on him at Wrestlemania after I killed two of the hottest prospects in wrestling’
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Also Sami Zayn feels completely worthless at this point. Whatever push is coming in 2095 ain't worth the damage they are doing to him right now. They have turned him into a completely feckless underdog babyface who make these big speeches and promises, and then they just gets beat like a government mule. I'm starting to feel like I might have a decent chance of beating him. Why the hell should anyone care about a character like that? They had the golden opportunity to pull the trigger on him at Elimination Chamber in Montreal in 2023 but didn't have the guts to do it.

So much of wrestling is about being instinctive. You need to be willing to listen to the voice of the fans and change your plans when the situation demands it. You can't be so rigid and set in your plans that you ignore what the fans want. They have completely destroyed a potential top babyface in Sami Zayn.
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I also think that there’s a terrible social media campaign against him to smear his name due to his vocal support for Palestine, while a lot of his current perception is related to terrible booking, even when he was hot, I’ve been monitoring a really weird trend against him where far right zealots have attacked any moment he was starting to gain steam
 
WWE beat UFC marginally for revenue in 2025 with the big helping hand from John Cena,

That could spell disaster in 2026 unless the market is in a crazy bubble; that’s the only hope for a change in creative, if the business isn’t good.

But I fear there’s sizeable portion of the fanbase who are new casuals that are getting too use to the extortionate business practices.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Also Sami Zayn feels completely worthless at this point. Whatever push is coming in 2095 ain't worth the damage they are doing to him right now. They have turned him into a completely feckless underdog babyface who make these big speeches and promises, and then they just gets beat like a government mule. I'm starting to feel like I might have a decent chance of beating him. Why the hell should anyone care about a character like that? They had the golden opportunity to pull the trigger on him at Elimination Chamber in Montreal in 2023 but didn't have the guts to do it.

So much of wrestling is about being instinctive. You need to be willing to listen to the voice of the fans and change your plans when the situation demands it. You can't be so rigid and set in your plans that you ignore what the fans want. They have completely destroyed a potential top babyface in Sami Zayn.
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Although I still think Roman's reign stretched to the optimum level and ended at a proper time, but it's been over 2 years and they haven't done anything with Sami since then. Should have given him the title atleast once by now. Either WHC or WWE title. KO as well. A lot of time was wasted on overlong Seth's and Gunther's reigns (i'd really like not to count 1 month after mania 2025 of Jey).
Not all reigns have to be 200+ days long. KO, Drew, Sami, Knight etc all should have held it in the past 3 years.
They even had a chance to push him to the main event scene this Mania as well. That just tells you of creative handicapment.
 
shaz619 said:
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Can’t wait for Smackdown this week……
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It’s unfortunate….

I want to see Drew v Randy in a non covid era with a packed crowd.

Even though Cena was polarizing as Vince was building him up to the face of the company, it was far more organic than H repeatedly trying to shove Cody on us.

I don’t have anything against Cody, if anything he himself pushed H to give Drew the title as well. So he has good booking acumen.

But your own acumen can’t be displayed when your boss is a grade A dumbf*ck
 
Suleiman said:
It’s unfortunate….

I want to see Drew v Randy in a non covid era with a packed crowd.

Even though Cena was polarizing as Vince was building him up to the face of the company, it was far more organic than H repeatedly trying to shove Cody on us.

I don’t have anything against Cody, if anything he himself pushed H to give Drew the title as well. So he has good booking acumen.

But your own acumen can’t be displayed when your boss is a grade A dumbf*ck
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Drew’s short reign has been highly successful, there’s more heat on Smackdown because of him, fans are more engaged and his segments always deliver. It would be a damn shame if they waste all this momentum due to the ego of somebody. H was a zero IQ performer carried by ATG’s and this shows in his booking as well.

If Cody does go over, then as much as Orton/Cody could be interesting; they have to include Drew in the match, but I fear he could be working with Jacob Fatu. Better yet, to solve this conundrum make it a 4-way, ideally with elimination rules and Drew going over emphatically; that’s how you solidify your main-event picture for the next 6 months.
 
Suleiman said:
Sad…

Also:

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I didn’t think I’d say it but over the past 6 months I’ve come to respect Logan Paul:

- He’s a thorough professional
- Has never gone into business for himself
- He respects this industry & has become quiet protective of it
- I’ve not read a bad word about him behind the scenes & he has been game doing jobs whenever it was required
- Fantastic work ethic

We’ve hit a ceiling with his ring work & I hope he proves me wrong there, but man, he’s a natural on the mic & his character work is outstanding really.

MJF is the whole package but other then him, there’s a few guys who just get organic heat & Logan Paul is one of those guys.

He didn’t need to defend his co-worker here and the way he had done it, just highlights the above because he understands who he is playing on TV, dare I say this kind of awareness is lost on some of those workers who came into this business much earlier then him.
 
shaz619 said:
I didn’t think I’d say it but over the past 6 months I’ve come to respect Logan Paul:

- He’s a thorough professional
- Has never gone into business for himself
- He respects this industry & has become quiet protective of it
- I’ve not read a bad word about him behind the scenes & he has been game doing jobs whenever it was required
- Fantastic work ethic

We’ve hit a ceiling with his ring work & I hope he proves me wrong there, but man, he’s a natural on the mic & his character work is outstanding really.

MJF is the whole package but other then him, there’s a few guys who just get organic heat & Logan Paul is one of those guys.

He didn’t need to defend his co-worker here and the way he had done it, just highlights the above because he understands who he is playing on TV, dare I say this kind of awareness is lost on some of those workers who came into this business much earlier then him.
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I agree, and this segment from the podcast solidified that he really does care about the business. He’s found his true calling and is slowly crafting a respectable image in sports entertainment unlike his brother who is in free fall after getting the 2 piece combo from AJ.
 
Suleiman said:
I agree, and this segment from the podcast solidified that he really does care about the business. He’s found his true calling and is slowly crafting a respectable image in sports entertainment unlike his brother who is in free fall after getting the 2 piece combo from AJ.
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He definitely is more sensible then his idiot brother who has wasted his potential as a boxer, he had some raw ability with his heavy hands & with all that resource, he decided to cash out against a HW instead of working himself into title contention; mental really, his ravings have gotten worse since that beating he took from AJ no doubt
 
As expected… @shaz619 @RedwoodOriginal @BunnyRabbit …

What’s even the point of watching this predictable headed by a bum mediocre and talentless hack who married into it… what’s the difference between this clown and the incompetent PCB chairmen… nothing. Every title reign is an iteration of this buffoon’s own reign of terror.

Need to double down on combat sports… this feels soooo stale. Everyone was loving Drew.
 
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Suleiman said:
As expected… @shaz619 @RedwoodOriginal @BunnyRabbit …

What’s even the point of watching this predictable headed by a bum mediocre and talentless hack who married into it… what’s the difference between this clown and the incompetent PCB chairmen… nothing. Every title reign is an iteration of this buffoon’s own reign of terror.

Need to double down on combat sports… this feels soooo stale. Everyone was loving Drew.
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I didn’t even bother to avoid spoilers because I knew what would happen, the thing that hurts me the most is that passionate fans of this sport like me & you are a dying breed, WWE has expanded their fanbase & past 2020 there is sizeable new casual audience which will keep invested in the product, they wont be a revolt against how someone like Drew is being used so poorly, there will be one online & it wont transition to the weekly programming. Going to a WWE show is more like having a night out & as long as these guys can do some YEET’s and sing some of the songs it’s all good, as bad as creative is, they know the current audience allows them to get away with it.

When you know you got to go to a town & you know you have to earn every ticket, there will be a big shift. That show I went to last year in Brum was stacked because it was a city rich with tradition when it came to wrestling & they wouldn’t get away with bs.

This started during the Network era to, the lack of intensity because events were already sold so you didn’t need to sell the PPV hard. But we at least had a booker who was forced to listen to an audience which cared.

I hope they have a trash financial year & get rid of that big nose coward.
 
Suleiman said:
As expected… @shaz619 @RedwoodOriginal @BunnyRabbit …

What’s even the point of watching this predictable headed by a bum mediocre and talentless hack who married into it… what’s the difference between this clown and the incompetent PCB chairmen… nothing. Every title reign is an iteration of this buffoon’s own reign of terror.

Need to double down on combat sports… this feels soooo stale. Everyone was loving Drew.
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Poor decision to have Drew lose here. They could have gone in with Randy vs Drew vs Cody with Drew going in as a champ, and could have started the Randy-Cody feud from there with a heel turn for either Randy or Cody during the match at Mania or the night after Mania. But that's just logic and Nose has nothing to do with logic.
 
shaz619 said:
I didn’t think I’d say it but over the past 6 months I’ve come to respect Logan Paul:

- He’s a thorough professional
- Has never gone into business for himself
- He respects this industry & has become quiet protective of it
- I’ve not read a bad word about him behind the scenes & he has been game doing jobs whenever it was required
- Fantastic work ethic

We’ve hit a ceiling with his ring work & I hope he proves me wrong there, but man, he’s a natural on the mic & his character work is outstanding really.

MJF is the whole package but other then him, there’s a few guys who just get organic heat & Logan Paul is one of those guys.

He didn’t need to defend his co-worker here and the way he had done it, just highlights the above because he understands who he is playing on TV, dare I say this kind of awareness is lost on some of those workers who came into this business much earlier then him.
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but that doesn't absolve him of always getting big matches on the biggest shows and big spots all the time. Like always ending in the final 4 in the Rumble. Beating guys like AJ at Mania, or even getting a feud with someone like Cena where Cena had to go all out to beat him. Would have worked much better if that spot had gone to Drew.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
but that doesn't absolve him of always getting big matches on the biggest shows and big spots all the time. Like always ending in the final 4 in the Rumble. Beating guys like AJ at Mania, or even getting a feud with someone like Cena where Cena had to go all out to beat him. Would have worked much better if that spot had gone to Drew.
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He doesn’t book his own matches and nor does Drew, the days of getting creative agreed in your contract are mostly over.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Think only Cody has that clause in his contract and maybe Roman.
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It’s very subtle, and more protective of their brand then anything else. Cody had enough influence to demand they put the belt on Drew, even if it was for a short period, otherwise I didn’t see it happening, Cody got his dads booking instincts
 
shaz619 said:
It’s very subtle, and more protective of their brand then anything else. Cody had enough influence to demand they put the belt on Drew, even if it was for a short period, otherwise I didn’t see it happening, Cody got his dads booking instincts
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Ys it was good. But I'd have liked Drew heading into the Mania as the champion against Cody and Randy after which they could have kicked off Randy-Cody feud and Drew could have moved on to feuding with Jacob bringing him into the main title picture.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Ys it was good. But I'd have liked Drew heading into the Mania as the champion against Cody and Randy after which they could have kicked off Randy-Cody feud and Drew could have moved on to feuding with Jacob bringing him into the main title picture.
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They are doing this due to the sh!t ticket sales but there are bigger issues related to that and Drew has been money as champion, he needs to be in the same match
 
shaz619 said:
They are doing this due to the sh!t ticket sales but there are bigger issues related to that and Drew has been money as champion, he needs to be in the same match
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Yes. Drew is toe to toe with Cody in terms of top guy attributes and should be used like how Randy/Batista/Edge were used with Cena as the official face. If they had any sense, they would have tried to build them up more and more.
 
Suleiman said:
As expected… @shaz619 @RedwoodOriginal @BunnyRabbit …

What’s even the point of watching this predictable headed by a bum mediocre and talentless hack who married into it… what’s the difference between this clown and the incompetent PCB chairmen… nothing. Every title reign is an iteration of this buffoon’s own reign of terror.

Need to double down on combat sports… this feels soooo stale. Everyone was loving Drew.
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I didn't like Drew's title reign. Not his work, which as always was top-drawer, but the way he was booked. He was booked too much like a weak champion and it was patently obvious the moment he won it that he wasn't going to hold it for long. Accomplished some short-term goals but I'm not sure how much it helped Drew.

Also, Cody is getting very stale and turning into the new PG-era John Cena. His character has not evolved at all. I hope Orton punts him, turns heel on him and wins the belt at WrestleMania.
 
Said it when he was in AEW, will say it again now..

If Cody turns heel, he will become the hottest, most despicable heel in the business bar none.
 
shaz619 said:
WWE beat UFC marginally for revenue in 2025 with the big helping hand from John Cena,

That could spell disaster in 2026 unless the market is in a crazy bubble; that’s the only hope for a change in creative, if the business isn’t good.

But I fear there’s sizeable portion of the fanbase who are new casuals that are getting too use to the extortionate business practices.
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They deserve a reality check. They are getting completely out of control.
 
WWE is hard to watch these days. There is nothing that interests me besides Roman v Punk. Everything is booked like crap, totally predictable boring stuff that goes nowhere and accomplishes nothing. Atleast AEW is like a car crash. Something happens! It could range from good to terrible but I'll take it any day of the week over this boring, overstuffed crap called SmackDown that somehow goes on for 3 hours.
 
I can't stand Cody Rhodes. I never cared for him from the beginning. I always thought he was a mid carder at best. And I don't care if he has dyed his hair blond and got a stupid neck tattoo. I still feel the same way about him. WWE are trying so hard to make him to be this era's John Cena, when he isn't 20% as good as Cena was in his prime.

I feel bad for Drew. He has been booked so badly for a while. If I was him, I would walk out of WWE right now. He deserves so much better than the way he has been treated lately.

Randy Orton needs to turn heel and beat Cody at Wrestlemania. But given how Randy has been booked since his return in 2023, and how overpushed Cody its, it is extremely likely that Cody will retain at Wrestlemania.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
WWE is hard to watch these days. There is nothing that interests me besides Roman v Punk. Everything is booked like crap, totally predictable boring stuff that goes nowhere and accomplishes nothing. Atleast AEW is like a car crash. Something happens! It could range from good to terrible but I'll take it any day of the week over this boring, overstuffed crap called SmackDown that somehow goes on for 3 hours.
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With WWE, it’s like reliving a traumatic break-up every week. If I decide to watch AEW, I have to shower afterwards, make a fresh wuddu and recite my shahahdah 5 times.
 
I'm surprised to see how strongly the fans have turned on Cody. I knew it was coming but I didn't expect it to be this soon. Feels like de ja vu and takes me back to when they turned on him in AEW. Ironically enough he was doing much of the same stuff in AEW and even had the exact same gimmick and ring attire.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
bro is literally the new Karrion Kross

https://twitter.com/x/status/2029979769467486347
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I think that for these guys, the motivation was well explained by Russev; they recognise they will be stuck creatively, but prefer that then not be able to work regularly on the road and keep building up their reps. And I get that, you got routine & structure, it’s a job with some order and predictable consistency.

But if you ignore all that, when it comes to this guy, the way he has been booked is this,

Ohhhh woww look how sexy Zelina Vega looks

*Then skips to the final minute of the match*

Bah gawwd The Black Mass Kick!

Then you just skip to the next segment.

Good news is that I’ve seen everything to do with Alesiter Black over the past 12 months in just 10 minutes.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I'm surprised to see how strongly the fans have turned on Cody. I knew it was coming but I didn't expect it to be this soon. Feels like de ja vu and takes me back to when they turned on him in AEW. Ironically enough he was doing much of the same stuff in AEW and even had the exact same gimmick and ring attire.
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They need to do these turns where he is likely to get genuine heat opposed to just being a cool character all of a sudden.

But I am not sure the John Cena v2 project is over yet.

However, somebody needs to turn in the match between Orton/Cody or it’s just a light version of Roman/Cody - This is why it’s so stupid beyond belief if Drew is not in the main-event
 
The_KING said:
I can't stand Cody Rhodes. I never cared for him from the beginning. I always thought he was a mid carder at best. And I don't care if he has dyed his hair blond and got a stupid neck tattoo. I still feel the same way about him. WWE are trying so hard to make him to be this era's John Cena, when he isn't 20% as good as Cena was in his prime.

I feel bad for Drew. He has been booked so badly for a while. If I was him, I would walk out of WWE right now. He deserves so much better than the way he has been treated lately.

Randy Orton needs to turn heel and beat Cody at Wrestlemania. But given how Randy has been booked since his return in 2023, and how overpushed Cody its, it is extremely likely that Cody will retain at Wrestlemania.
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https://twitter.com/x/status/2030387142711808345

I think you’ve invested a solid few quid into the Cody hate
:afridi
 
The_KING said:
I can't stand Cody Rhodes. I never cared for him from the beginning. I always thought he was a mid carder at best. And I don't care if he has dyed his hair blond and got a stupid neck tattoo. I still feel the same way about him. WWE are trying so hard to make him to be this era's John Cena, when he isn't 20% as good as Cena was in his prime.

I feel bad for Drew. He has been booked so badly for a while. If I was him, I would walk out of WWE right now. He deserves so much better than the way he has been treated lately.

Randy Orton needs to turn heel and beat Cody at Wrestlemania. But given how Randy has been booked since his return in 2023, and how overpushed Cody its, it is extremely likely that Cody will retain at Wrestlemania.
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Drew is being punished for speaking against his holiness and threatening to work for AEW
 
WTH was that from Orton in the opening segment, can’t stop laughing 🤣🤣🤣🤣

And they need to do something big with Trick Williams or they will waste all this momentum
 
shaz619 said:
They need to do these turns where he is likely to get genuine heat opposed to just being a cool character all of a sudden.

But I am not sure the John Cena v2 project is over yet.

However, somebody needs to turn in the match between Orton/Cody or it’s just a light version of Roman/Cody - This is why it’s so stupid beyond belief if Drew is not in the main-event
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But you know Cody’s dumbass logic “I didn’t turn heel in AEW because the real heel move was to not turn heel 😁🤪🤪” which is the dumbest take there can be… trying too hard to be meta… he’ll probably do the same bs again. Trying to overcomplicate things when you just turn heel when you know the heat is there and will erupt when you fully embrace it.
 
Suleiman said:
But you know Cody’s dumbass logic “I didn’t turn heel in AEW because the real heel move was to not turn heel 😁🤪🤪” which is the dumbest take there can be… trying too hard to be meta… he’ll probably do the same bs again. Trying to overcomplicate things when you just turn heel when you know the heat is there and will erupt when you fully embrace it.
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I just think he played AEW, he always wanted to return to the WWE & was just protecting his brand and used them to secure a lucrative deal with some light creative control
 
shaz619 said:
I think that for these guys, the motivation was well explained by Russev; they recognise they will be stuck creatively, but prefer that then not be able to work regularly on the road and keep building up their reps. And I get that, you got routine & structure, it’s a job with some order and predictable consistency.

But if you ignore all that, when it comes to this guy, the way he has been booked is this,

Ohhhh woww look how sexy Zelina Vega looks

*Then skips to the final minute of the match*

Bah gawwd The Black Mass Kick!

Then you just skip to the next segment.

Good news is that I’ve seen everything to do with Alesiter Black over the past 12 months in just 10 minutes.
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No I totally get why they would choose being a midcarder in WWE over not working at all and getting paid in AEW, this is just a reminder of how bereft of ideas HHH and his team of baboons are.

Yeah you know you don't mean much when 95% of your promos are 90-second backstage segments between commercial breaks.
 
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