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shaz619 said:
Found this on Chad Gable’s TL:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2031344473360281626

@Suleiman
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Honestly, just like Angle he’s another dude if he went into MMA early he’d be a top draw in UFC.

He has the personality as well to draw crowds which is very important otherwise no one wants to watch your fights.

If Olympic level wrestlers want fame while 4/10 is at the helm of WWE, best to go into MMA. Pro wrestling still causes injuries like mma would- but wrestling is the best base for martial arts easily and this fool won’t be there to bury you.

But that defo makes me a bigger fan


Sadly Chad “The Wrestling Machine II” Gable will remain a distant dream 😞
 
Btw speaking of, Kurt Angle is such an icon that one of the best UFC fighters at the time (he’s finished now) just 2-3 years ago used Kurt Angle’s theme as his walkout song for a very long time. His gimmick in UFC was also a “true American wrestler” type amidst a sea of foreign fighters:


Crowd was getting into it with the you suck chats as well haha.

He also modeled his character seemingly on a lot of pro wrestling aspects. He was about to be cut by UFC for being boring, so he took on an actual “heel persona” and became universally hated but also secretly created a fanbase who loved that heel character saying the most controversial things outside the ring.

Former champ too so not like was some undercard nobody.

@shaz619
 

Gotta say, miss characters like Johnny Morrison in WWE. Charismatic characters with unique personalities getting the spotlight rather than every guy just dressed in black and part of some random xyz faction and jobbing to Seth and Cody 24/7
 
Suleiman said:
Honestly, just like Angle he’s another dude if he went into MMA early he’d be a top draw in UFC.

He has the personality as well to draw crowds which is very important otherwise no one wants to watch your fights.

If Olympic level wrestlers want fame while 4/10 is at the helm of WWE, best to go into MMA. Pro wrestling still causes injuries like mma would- but wrestling is the best base for martial arts easily and this fool won’t be there to bury you.

But that defo makes me a bigger fan


Sadly Chad “The Wrestling Machine II” Gable will remain a distant dream 😞
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Current era of WWE has been standardised like any ordinary corporation in America, it’s a job with the politics and growth is dependent on who likes you. Under Vince, despite him creating a global empire, he still ran it like a family business & there was more potential for breaking out as a star.

On the plus side Gable is maybe earning a lot more than he would have as a UFC fighter?

But that’s assuming he wouldn’t break out as a star over there and if he did then I think the upside is probably way better as you say.
 
Suleiman said:
Btw speaking of, Kurt Angle is such an icon that one of the best UFC fighters at the time (he’s finished now) just 2-3 years ago used Kurt Angle’s theme as his walkout song for a very long time. His gimmick in UFC was also a “true American wrestler” type amidst a sea of foreign fighters:


Crowd was getting into it with the you suck chats as well haha.

He also modeled his character seemingly on a lot of pro wrestling aspects. He was about to be cut by UFC for being boring, so he took on an actual “heel persona” and became universally hated but also secretly created a fanbase who loved that heel character saying the most controversial things outside the ring.

Former champ too so not like was some undercard nobody.

@shaz619
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All these fighters could do with a PR team to help them with negotiation & their marketability, there are managers to who do take advantage though but it’s nature of the beast. You know who could have made a true baby face in MMA if they pushed him a bit more as a top attraction ? Diego Sanchez, the best fighter possibly not to win the world title, but that wasn’t it for him, he was the Shawn Michaels of UFC
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Suleiman said:

Gotta say, miss characters like Johnny Morrison in WWE. Charismatic characters with unique personalities getting the spotlight rather than every guy just dressed in black and part of some random xyz faction and jobbing to Seth and Cody 24/7
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At one point for a good few years, Shawn Michaels vs Morrison was a dream match of mine, I rated Morrison so highly then that I felt he should be Shawn’s final opponent as well.

MNM was so cool with Melina, and then Jonny broke out as a singles star with that feud with Jeff Hardy.

What guys are over for now in other promotions, Jonny could do in his sleep & more.
 
El Grande Americano v El Grande Americano - Mask v Mask at WrestleMania. Book it!

Chad Gable loses and goes back to being Chad Gable - aka a serious, bada$$ mat technician and Ludwig, who - let's be honest - has just been a better El Grande can continue doing that. I actually love his entire stable. Pete Dunne and Tyler Bate are brilliant as the flunkeys too. They do so many little things and gestures are so funny. And from what I've heard the Ludwig El Grande is incredibly popular in Mexico too.

For now though Gable needs to go back to being Gable.
 
Randy carried the show… no surprises. Cena and Randy are like Misbah and YK in 2012-16, rest of talent is either a) suppressed and having to follow show storylines or b) not good enough but overpushed.

WM 41- needing Cena to come after him
WM 42- needing Randy to come after him.

That’s the only way to keep this version of Cody’s face run enjoyable.
 
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Great segment. You needed to put this kind of heat on Cody to make people care about him again. Yes Cody feels uninteresting right now but we shouldn't forget the role the dogs*it booking has in that. They have not done anything to evolve the character.. he feels like the same guy he was two years ago.

This storyline writes itself - the history between these two, Randy wanting to go for No. 15, Cody being betrayed again. It has WrestleMania main-event written all over it and it's amusing that it took low ticket sales and fans (rightfully) not giving enough of a f about WrestleMania for them to finally go with it. This is the kind of match you plan out months in advance.
 
Randy Orton is like the new Undertaker. That one guy who is respected across the board by the entire locker-room, has a wealth of experience, is someone you can put anywhere on the card and he will deliver for you. His work is perfect and even after all these years you never feel like he is ever phoning it in. Above all, he is someone you can rely on when you want to generate business. It's very similar to back in the day when business was down, Undertaker was always that one guy Vince would turn to. Whether it was WrestleMania 13 or when Austin got injured in 1999, or even later on in 2002 when that boom period - he was always that 'break glass in case of emergency' guy for Vince. And Randy being put in this position to make people care about Cody again reminds you of that alot.

Obviously not exactly the same because Taker was Taker and business isn't exactly down for TKO - they are just a bunch of greedy b*stards, but you get my drift..
 
Cody with his annual getting busted open on the road to wrestlemania. They want us to feel sorry for this guy and get behind him, as if he is some sort of an underdog, when in reality, he is a temu version of Cena.

I am so happy to see Orton turn heel. I have never liked Orton as a face. He was never a believable babyface. But as a heel, he is one of the greatest.

I know that Cody will most likely retain at wrestlemania, but Triple Fraud needs to do the right thing for once and have Orton win.
 
Maybe I’m in the minority and despite being a Randy Orton fan whether during his epic heel turns of the past or his recent face run in the last 3-4 years, but this heel turn just doesn’t make sense to me…

I think they really goofed it up by having Drew lose to Cody. Heel Drew vs Face Orton would’ve been great.

But because triple h is desperate to keep Cody in the main event loop this is maybe the only way to make sense as with Cena when he was a full time wrestler they don’t want to turn Cody heel for merchandise or whatever…

Idk… the way Randy’s character has developed, such an extreme heel turn doesn’t make sense… maybe it would’ve years ago.

Crowd was still chanting Randy even while he was beating the crap out of Cody lmaoo.

Either way, I hope he gets #15, and 16 and 17 lol. I like how hes paying homage to Cena with p much the exact same heel turn and run from here on out of 2025.
 

Don’t really watch this guy’s vids, but this thumbnail really summarizes Cody and the upcoming Wrestlemania as well as the last 2
 
The_KING said:
Cody with his annual getting busted open on the road to wrestlemania. They want us to feel sorry for this guy and get behind him, as if he is some sort of an underdog, when in reality, he is a temu version of Cena.

I am so happy to see Orton turn heel. I have never liked Orton as a face. He was never a believable babyface. But as a heel, he is one of the greatest.

I know that Cody will most likely retain at wrestlemania, but Triple Fraud needs to do the right thing for once and have Orton win.
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Agreed. Orton is always at his best when he's heel.

But I actually think that Orton would probably be favored to win at WrestleMania. There is more money in having him be the heel champion and drag this feud out where you can get 3 big matches, including a HIAC at some point down the line.
 
Suleiman said:
Maybe I’m in the minority and despite being a Randy Orton fan whether during his epic heel turns of the past or his recent face run in the last 3-4 years, but this heel turn just doesn’t make sense to me…

I think they really goofed it up by having Drew lose to Cody. Heel Drew vs Face Orton would’ve been great.

But because triple h is desperate to keep Cody in the main event loop this is maybe the only way to make sense as with Cena when he was a full time wrestler they don’t want to turn Cody heel for merchandise or whatever…

Idk… the way Randy’s character has developed, such an extreme heel turn doesn’t make sense… maybe it would’ve years ago.

Crowd was still chanting Randy even while he was beating the crap out of Cody lmaoo.

Either way, I hope he gets #15, and 16 and 17 lol. I like how hes paying homage to Cena with p much the exact same heel turn and run from here on out of 2025.
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I was looking for Roddy Pipper & they’ve given me that, even if it’s not Cody & tbh I do think that maybe isn’t the plan yet and am ok with it. From a TV POV I enjoyed SD a lot this week & there’s something special about a natural performer such as Randy turning heel, that old-school beatdown was fantastic, the Cena turn was great, but Randy took it to another level with his ring psychology and technique; he was born to be a bad guy and everyone in the locker room should watch that segment on loop to learn
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Randy channeled all the great wrestling villains, and with his increased muscle mass, I felt like this was even more violent.

However, from a character POV, you are spot on to question how out the blue this was. I get that fans have short attention spans now, but this could have been executed so much better, was it decided last minute or it the plan as soon as he returned? I think because Drew was going to be a transitional champion, they were always going to book Cody v Orton. So when he got off the Saudi PR tour, there should have made better use of his appearances to plant the seeds for a turn, the shock value doesn’t really register as well because people hate Cody at the minute following the Drew burials even more & Randy is a big fan favourite who was deliberately taken of TV due to the Cena farewell tour.

If they were desperate to have Cody in the WM ME due to business (despite Drew doing so well), then that’s fine, but why would you sabotage Drew like this? If anything, it made a lot more sense for him to be in the super-villain role, when you keep burying him like this you wont establish his big star pedigree.

They want to keep Cody face for now, that’s fine. But they had to do this quick turn with Orton just to keep Drew out the picture.

Orton/Cody should not be a microwave meal, it should be a full on home cooked meal that takes all your time & effort to produce. Orton just stabbed his best mate in the back like that? What is he Pakistani
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They want Cody as champ heading into Mania, that’s fine

They want Orton in the match, that’s fine to.

I’d have kept both as a face.

Drew would be my super villain.

And I’d book a triple threat.

You still begin to explore the origins of what an Cody/Orton feud would look like, but the main aim would be to elevate Drew for me.
 
Suleiman said:
yep. They were cheering him on as he beat the ever living crud outta Cody 🤣

You know you are a wwe veteran when you get tasked with beating his ass into a pulp before a wwe WM. 3 years in a row now..
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Do they really think we are this stupid?

Where was medical assistance & why was Cody turning his head on the steps after that concerito?

That’s a deliberate burial of Orton as well.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Agreed. Orton is always at his best when he's heel.

But I actually think that Orton would probably be favored to win at WrestleMania. There is more money in having him be the heel champion and drag this feud out where you can get 3 big matches, including a HIAC at some point down the line.
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Thinking about it more in theory an Orton win isn’t outside the realms of possibility when they clearly want to keep Cody as a face for longer.

They are prostituting Wrestlemania to achieve that & then worry about not selling tickets. Their idiot CEO and am sure H laps this up due to pettiness towards Vince, has said that they want the promotion to just be another event. And on top of that charge WM prices for all their big 4 events now. And to make matters worse, creatively, they use the PPV as an interface for main storylines later in the year when travelling fans want their big pay off at the event.

AJ Styles was right about WM losing its lustre.

But this turn was partly done to take Drew out the picture and give Orton his role, with that in mind and the fact Orton’s level with H, this all being put together like this was just an attempt to get heat on Cody.

I guess it makes the match a little bit unpredictable but I am going with the Triple H is petty vote.
 
shaz619 said:
Thinking about it more in theory an Orton win isn’t outside the realms of possibility when they clearly want to keep Cody as a face for longer.

They are prostituting Wrestlemania to achieve that & then worry about not selling tickets. Their idiot CEO and am sure H laps this up due to pettiness towards Vince, has said that they want the promotion to just be another event. And on top of that charge WM prices for all their big 4 events now. And to make matters worse, creatively, they use the PPV as an interface for main storylines later in the year when travelling fans want their big pay off at the event.

AJ Styles was right about WM losing its lustre.

But this turn was partly done to take Drew out the picture and give Orton his role, with that in mind and the fact Orton’s level with H, this all being put together like this was just an attempt to get heat on Cody.

I guess it makes the match a little bit unpredictable but I am going with the Triple H is petty vote.
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Triple H can't stop Orton from going past him. Orton still has years left in the business and even an insecure doofus like him knows he can't do that. Plus, you have to understand that now that he is running the show he is more focused on being better than Vince (which will never happen) than he is about his legacy as a wrestler. So he's always looking for things that will make the fans - and specifically the smart fans - like him. It's actually a bit funny how desperate he is for their approval. Even if he does something good you can't look past his motive for doing so
 
shaz619 said:
I was looking for Roddy Pipper & they’ve given me that, even if it’s not Cody & tbh I do think that maybe isn’t the plan yet and am ok with it. From a TV POV I enjoyed SD a lot this week & there’s something special about a natural performer such as Randy turning heel, that old-school beatdown was fantastic, the Cena turn was great, but Randy took it to another level with his ring psychology and technique; he was born to be a bad guy and everyone in the locker room should watch that segment on loop to learn
:rizwan

Randy channeled all the great wrestling villains, and with his increased muscle mass, I felt like this was even more violent.

However, from a character POV, you are spot on to question how out the blue this was. I get that fans have short attention spans now, but this could have been executed so much better, was it decided last minute or it the plan as soon as he returned? I think because Drew was going to be a transitional champion, they were always going to book Cody v Orton. So when he got off the Saudi PR tour, there should have made better use of his appearances to plant the seeds for a turn, the shock value doesn’t really register as well because people hate Cody at the minute following the Drew burials even more & Randy is a big fan favourite who was deliberately taken of TV due to the Cena farewell tour.

If they were desperate to have Cody in the WM ME due to business (despite Drew doing so well), then that’s fine, but why would you sabotage Drew like this? If anything, it made a lot more sense for him to be in the super-villain role, when you keep burying him like this you wont establish his big star pedigree.

They want to keep Cody face for now, that’s fine. But they had to do this quick turn with Orton just to keep Drew out the picture.

Orton/Cody should not be a microwave meal, it should be a full on home cooked meal that takes all your time & effort to produce. Orton just stabbed his best mate in the back like that? What is he Pakistani
:yk3

They want Cody as champ heading into Mania, that’s fine

They want Orton in the match, that’s fine to.

I’d have kept both as a face.

Drew would be my super villain.

And I’d book a triple threat.

You still begin to explore the origins of what an Cody/Orton feud would look like, but the main aim would be to elevate Drew for me.
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Agreed 100% - it was too rushed and Drew was already in the drivers seat of this current super villain role

For what it’s worth I do hope they at least don’t make Randy a cowardly heel- and the only thing that changes is he becomes more ruthless than anything.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Triple H can't stop Orton from going past him. Orton still has years left in the business and even an insecure doofus like him knows he can't do that. Plus, you have to understand that now that he is running the show he is more focused on being better than Vince (which will never happen) than he is about his legacy as a wrestler. So he's always looking for things that will make the fans - and specifically the smart fans - like him. It's actually a bit funny how desperate he is for their approval. Even if he does something good you can't look past his motive for doing so
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Never underestimate how petty H is and how capable / creative he can become when it comes to protecting his kayfabe accomplishments. This is the same morton who was so delighted to announce Mania was in Vegas again, just to stick it to The Rock and TKO are finding out the hard way, what is most important about the business - the fans, when they get hit hard in the pocket this year. H couldn’t tell his arsse from his elbow, he wouldn’t know what is better or worse, I am sure in his delusional realm he was already 10x the booker Vince ever was; but what I mean to say is that he is petty enough to bury everything which worked for Vince, wrestlers he pushed & his OG creations. With the IWC, he tailors his booking to either trigger them or reactively throw them a bone whilst pretending he doesn’t care about social media.
 
Suleiman said:
Agreed 100% - it was too rushed and Drew was already in the drivers seat of this current super villain role

For what it’s worth I do hope they at least don’t make Randy a cowardly heel- and the only thing that changes is he becomes more ruthless than anything.
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The best turn I’ve ever seen is Jericho 2008, after WM 24, every RAW episode was like a Breaking Bad episode when it came to his characterisation & motivation, this was also during Shawn Michaels Shakespearean incarnation of wrestling era - I feel there was so much more to do with Shawn until he retired, he was doing the best story driven wrestling of his life. When I had the Network I rewatched every episode from that feud they had. We are in different times now but Orton/Cody could have followed a similar template.

But now they are going this way, put over Orton strong and make it a 6 month feud where we explore as much depth possible, that would feed families.

Poor Drew though.
 
shaz619 said:
Never underestimate how petty H is and how capable / creative he can become when it comes to protecting his kayfabe accomplishments. This is the same morton who was so delighted to announce Mania was in Vegas again, just to stick it to The Rock and TKO are finding out the hard way, what is most important about the business - the fans, when they get hit hard in the pocket this year. H couldn’t tell his arsse from his elbow, he wouldn’t know what is better or worse, I am sure in his delusional realm he was already 10x the booker Vince ever was; but what I mean to say is that he is petty enough to bury everything which worked for Vince, wrestlers he pushed & his OG creations. With the IWC, he tailors his booking to either trigger them or reactively throw them a bone whilst pretending he doesn’t care about social media.
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I don't but you have to look at it from the POV of how it benefits him. I'm sure in his deluded mind he probably thinks he has alot to do with Orton's success, because Orton rose to prominence by being in Evolution - a faction centered completely around H. Realistically speaking he knows that people will start questioning him if Orton doesn't win 15 at some point in the near future because of how long Orton likely still has in the business. So in his mind he is probably thinking that having Orton win now is a great way to quiet down the smart fans who question his motivations and level of pettiness/selfishness, while also winning brownie points with Orton. I also think he is smart enough to know that if Orton goes full heel and starts functioning at the top of his game (which he will) people will start questioning why he isn't winning the belt, because it would bury Orton a bit if he is this vicious heel who does heinous things but can't beat Cody Rhodes - a guy the fans don't even really like that much right now.

I don't doubt that he cares about his kayfabe accomplishments, but right now it feels like he is more focused on being remembered as the 'maverick booker', which he will never be.
 
All of this triple fraud’s heel/face turns have the opposite effect.

His face turns end up in boos

And his heel turns end up in cheers.

Becky, Randy, Cena all got cheered turning heel, and the latter two beating the eff outta Cody. Only Rock was booed because he himself imo knew when to turn heel at the right time and use the heat he was getting for butting into that year’s WM vs Roman.

Cody is getting booed despite being face these days outside of the normie fans.
 
Unable to watch this now as my people are fighting a war against a Superpower.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I don't but you have to look at it from the POV of how it benefits him. I'm sure in his deluded mind he probably thinks he has alot to do with Orton's success, because Orton rose to prominence by being in Evolution - a faction centered completely around H. Realistically speaking he knows that people will start questioning him if Orton doesn't win 15 at some point in the near future because of how long Orton likely still has in the business. So in his mind he is probably thinking that having Orton win now is a great way to quiet down the smart fans who question his motivations and level of pettiness/selfishness, while also winning brownie points with Orton. I also think he is smart enough to know that if Orton goes full heel and starts functioning at the top of his game (which he will) people will start questioning why he isn't winning the belt, because it would bury Orton a bit if he is this vicious heel who does heinous things but can't beat Cody Rhodes - a guy the fans don't even really like that much right now.

I don't doubt that he cares about his kayfabe accomplishments, but right now it feels like he is more focused on being remembered as the 'maverick booker', which he will never be.
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H doesn’t haven’t the intelligence, foresight and awareness to think like that.

He is willing to plow a hole into the ship’s hull and risk it sinking if it means that in some twisted way he can get his 5 mins of fame to look like some hero.

Case in point the unreal series. Destroyed whatever was left of kayfabe single-handedly to go down as Steven Speilberg or Chris Nolan with the way he portrayed himself even if it meant shooting the business in the neck.

It is well within this clown’s wheelhouse to continuously deny Randy the 15th because he knows Randy respects him too much to do anything about it and probably doesn’t care about accolades like that. He did the same thing with Cena and disrespected him by letting judgement day chicas bury him too after he let Lesnar do the same- knowing Cena wouldn’t complain.

Don’t put anything beyond this kaminay’s pettiness
 
shah9425 said:
Triple h running out of ideas

Meanwhile Cody gets another thrashing

So predictable

WWE is so unwatchable nowadays
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Never had any to begin with if you ask me. He was lucky to take over when WWE was going through a mini boom period, largely based off the Bloodline storyline. Everything came together perfectly and he was in-charge which made some people attribute alot of the success to him. But he was as bereft of ideas then as he is now.

Only difference now is that we are seeing the side-effects of the last two years, in which he has created zero stars and gotten nobody over. Whereas previously guys like Cody were still over and relevant..
 
shaz619 said:
I was going to come hear but you beat me to it, and share that the opening segment of RAW this week is the peak of H’s creativity, I don’t know how he can top this on the Road To Wrestlemania…..
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Bro don't say that, because he probably will. Besides we all know he visits this forum. He has stolen so many ideas from all of us..
 
shaz619 said:
What I did like from this episode was the heat on Dom & Balor, that was done so well & for the first time in his career, Balor was a genuinely sympathetic face, I hope this transitions to his demon gimmick.

Oba & Rusev was a delicious squash, Oba has IT & is the next big thing, he needs to be fast tracked to the top like Lesnar was, the audience are already behind him, they see he’s a special talent, in times like this you need to take ego & politics out of it, but that gutless Iblees wont see it that way.

Punk as usual keeping the product alive in the final segment.

You can skip the rest.
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Yeah I liked the Judgment Day implosion but I feel like that feud should have been for the IC Championship. I know they had to give a reason for the turn but I think the belt on the line would have added more stakes to the feud. Not that I mind it on Penta.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Never had any to begin with if you ask me. He was lucky to take over when WWE was going through a mini boom period, largely based off the Bloodline storyline. Everything came together perfectly and he was in-charge which made some people attribute alot of the success to him. But he was as bereft of ideas then as he is now.

Only difference now is that we are seeing the side-effects of the last two years, in which he has created zero stars and gotten nobody over. Whereas previously guys like Cody were still over and relevant..
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I used to watch every show of WWE
You name it raw smackdown and WWE ppvs
Velocity and Heat
I remember there used to be a delay of two weeks on ten sports
Which was so annoying
I used to buy WWE ppvs cd which usually came a day after event

Sadly which is not the case anymore
The wrestling fan inside me slowly started to die after that 2014 streak fiasco
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Never had any to begin with if you ask me. He was lucky to take over when WWE was going through a mini boom period, largely based off the Bloodline storyline. Everything came together perfectly and he was in-charge which made some people attribute alot of the success to him. But he was as bereft of ideas then as he is now.

Only difference now is that we are seeing the side-effects of the last two years, in which he has created zero stars and gotten nobody over. Whereas previously guys like Cody were still over and relevant..
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Now hhh gearing up randy for 2009 kinda of run

Which won't work nowadays
 
Just saw opening segment on RAW, best piece of business in months; and Brock is truly one of a kind and proves you can’t teach pro-wrestling to the current crop, his mannerisms, sell, and expression just made that segment; he really made Oba look like a weapon here and in a few minutes they sold their match at WM as a big deal.
 
Brock Lesnar has always been so unselfish, you can’t put into words what he did there, if only that 4/10 piece of crap respected this business this much. Lesnar is our era’s Andre, and despite that, so giving, you just need to level up and be respectful, Lesnar really recognised the fans to, great ring IQ; sometimes there comes a time when a bigger dog comes along and you need to recognise that, some of the all time greats have struggled with this throughout history.
 
shaz619 said:
Brock Lesnar has always been so unselfish, you can’t put into words what he did there, if only that 4/10 piece of crap respected this business this much. Lesnar is our era’s Andre, and despite that, so giving, you just need to level up and be respectful, Lesnar really recognised the fans to, great ring IQ; sometimes there comes a time when a bigger dog comes along and you need to recognise that, some of the all time greats have struggled with this throughout history.
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one of one. WWE will never find someone like him ever again. he is just a beast. If this is his last year in WWE this is a good way to start it
 
shaz619 said:
Just saw opening segment on RAW, best piece of business in months; and Brock is truly one of a kind and proves you can’t teach pro-wrestling to the current crop, his mannerisms, sell, and expression just made that segment; he really made Oba look like a weapon here and in a few minutes they sold their match at WM as a big deal.
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its rare to see someone stand toe to toe to Lesnar and look somewhat comparable in size. sky is the limit for Oba. Physically he has even more upside than Bron; who for all his upsides is still not that tall or big. Oba is the type of guy who would have thrived under Vince. because as we know, Vince loved big guys and was also always looking to push black talent
 
Meanwhile WWE fans cheering for Orton to seemingly murder Matt Cardona lol.

Cody gonna have a tough road to WrestleMania.
 
Who do you guys think is the mystery caller Randy is talking to every week backstage?

Surely has to be someone out of The Rock, KO or Ted DiBiase Jr.

Chances of Ted DiBiase Jr. are probably less considering he was on trial for fraud charges and acquitted just yesterday.
 
shaz619 said:
They got 100k+ views after this 🤣🤣🤣
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I am yet to see this match or this PPV. Will report back after seeing tonight.

Have a feeling I will enjoy it :kp mainly because I'm morbidly fascinated by how far they will go before something serious actually happens... also enjoy listening to Cornette raze these types of matches to the ground after :klopp

Meanwhile WWE get angsty about a freakin' pap smear in a gimmick match :sarf2
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Who do you guys think is the mystery caller Randy is talking to every week backstage?

Surely has to be someone out of The Rock, KO or Ted DiBiase Jr.

Chances of Ted DiBiase Jr. are probably less considering he was on trial for fraud charges and acquitted just yesterday.
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Prob Rock. I could see the homage Randy was paying to Cena heel turn with the low blow to Cardona.

Also sad to see Cardona back to
Jobbing while Dasanhausen or whatever the eff is his name is getting more screen time and spotlight.

ATP they gotta have to tie the knot with the rock storyline and have him finish his storyline with Cody… he is getting older and won’t be able to take major bumps forever if that story is to finish in the next 2 years.

But with the crowd turning heel with Orton and supporting his psychopathic maneuvers and booing Cody, I stand by that Cody shoulda been the one to turn. 🤣
 
Suleiman said:
Prob Rock. I could see the homage Randy was paying to Cena heel turn with the low blow to Cardona.

Also sad to see Cardona back to
Jobbing while Dasanhausen or whatever the eff is his name is getting more screen time and spotlight.

ATP they gotta have to tie the knot with the rock storyline and have him finish his storyline with Cody… he is getting older and won’t be able to take major bumps forever if that story is to finish in the next 2 years.

But with the crowd turning heel with Orton and supporting his psychopathic maneuvers and booing Cody, I stand by that Cody shoulda been the one to turn. 🤣
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next WrestleMania is in Saudi right? Fairly certain that Saudis will park a dumptruck full of cash infront of Rocky's house and he will be convinced to come back and wrestle a match but tbh I think Roman v Rock is probably a bigger match right now than Cody v Rock. Cody v Rock could have been huge if they did it in like 2024. But still all evidence does point towards Rock being the caller.

Tbh, Cardona never had a chance. He was always going to be booked like dirt. If anything, I am surprised they let him keep his real name. Even as Zack Ryder he never really got booked with any sort of credibility besides the couple of times when he won the US title - and even that he lost a night after winning it at WrestleMania. He definitely serves some purpose as Cody's friend, which is not nothing. But I'm not sure if he is going to go beyond this point in the card.
 
Suleiman said:
Prob Rock. I could see the homage Randy was paying to Cena heel turn with the low blow to Cardona.

Also sad to see Cardona back to
Jobbing while Dasanhausen or whatever the eff is his name is getting more screen time and spotlight.

ATP they gotta have to tie the knot with the rock storyline and have him finish his storyline with Cody… he is getting older and won’t be able to take major bumps forever if that story is to finish in the next 2 years.

But with the crowd turning heel with Orton and supporting his psychopathic maneuvers and booing Cody, I stand by that Cody shoulda been the one to turn. 🤣
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But bro you have to give props to Danhausen. He has come up with this weird character and found a way to make it work. The fact that WWE went ahead and signed him eventhough he was a bit of an indie darling that barely (if ever) wrestles shows you that they do see some potential in the character.
Personally I do find him funny :sarf2
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
next WrestleMania is in Saudi right? Fairly certain that Saudis will park a dumptruck full of cash infront of Rocky's house and he will be convinced to come back and wrestle a match but tbh I think Roman v Rock is probably a bigger match right now than Cody v Rock. Cody v Rock could have been huge if they did it in like 2024. But still all evidence does point towards Rock being the caller.

Tbh, Cardona never had a chance. He was always going to be booked like dirt. If anything, I am surprised they let him keep his real name. Even as Zack Ryder he never really got booked with any sort of credibility besides the couple of times he won the US title - and even that he lost a night after winning it at WrestleMania. He definitely serves some purpose as Cody's friend, which is not nothing. But I'm not sure if he is going to beyond this point.
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Yea… it’s just sad regarding Cardona that he was hyped to the moon in the indies and billed as a serious main eventer, came back to WWE with new name, new gear but same gimmick essentially as Ryder and getting buried the same.

They mean to tell me the couldn’t find someone else for Randy to bury on Friday… that stings man.

But yeah Roman vs Rock would be interesting now - tho I think they will save that as Rock’s last match ever and the penultimate will be Cody.

Though I really wish Rock had a feud with Randy (or Batista) at some point… maybe the Randy one can still happen but probably not 😞
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
But bro you have to give props to Danhausen. He has come up with this weird character and found a way to make it work. The fact that WWE went ahead and signed him eventhough he was a bit of an indie darling that barely (if ever) wrestles shows you that they do see some potential in the character.
Personally I do find him funny :sarf2
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He is essentially Freaky Undertaker 🤣 🤣
 
Suleiman said:
Yea… it’s just sad regarding Cardona that he was hyped to the moon in the indies and billed as a serious main eventer, came back to WWE with new name, new gear but same gimmick essentially as Ryder and getting buried the same.

They mean to tell me the couldn’t find someone else for Randy to bury on Friday… that stings man.

But yeah Roman vs Rock would be interesting now - tho I think they will save that as Rock’s last match ever and the penultimate will be Cody.

Though I really wish Rock had a feud with Randy (or Batista) at some point… maybe the Randy one can still happen but probably not 😞
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I never saw him that though. It always felt like a case of a small fish in an even smaller pond. It was obvious that he was trying to do the Cody thing of going to the indies and reinventing himself, and full credit to him, he did. But in the E he's a small fish in a big pond and they never really cared much for him anyway. Which is fine. Not everyone is going to be CM Punk or Cody Rhdoes. I think his goal was to just get back to WWE anyway so kudos to him for achieving that.

You think Rock has two more matches in him? I think the more time that passes, the more that window closes considering his age and Hollywood schedule. He probably can do two but I think he should do them soon.
 
shaz619 said:
Brock Lesnar has always been so unselfish, you can’t put into words what he did there, if only that 4/10 piece of crap respected this business this much. Lesnar is our era’s Andre, and despite that, so giving, you just need to level up and be respectful, Lesnar really recognised the fans to, great ring IQ; sometimes there comes a time when a bigger dog comes along and you need to recognise that, some of the all time greats have struggled with this throughout history.
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The kind of a freak Lesnar is, he could do this for 10 more years and still be better than majority of the roster. His suplex, kimura, f5 matchflow works very well for him and he's the best seller in the world. He did the same for Drew and Roman (in 2022 feud). He still moves quicker than a lot of 30 year old wrestlers. And risks minimum punishment on his body with his style of wrestling.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I never saw him that though. It always felt like a case of a small fish in an even smaller pond. It was obvious that he was trying to do the Cody thing of going to the indies and reinventing himself, and full credit to him, he did. But in the E he's a small fish in a big pond and they never really cared much for him anyway. Which is fine. Not everyone is going to be CM Punk or Cody Rhdoes. I think his goal was to just get back to WWE anyway so kudos to him for achieving that.

You think Rock has two more matches in him? I think the more time that passes, the more that window closes considering his age and Hollywood schedule. He probably can do two but I think he should do them soon.
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Yeah I guess the Cardona part makes sense, but rock wise yeah man 2 matches max I would say health wise but happy to be proven wrong. Feel like I’m pushing it at 2 as well tbh.

Only saying this because that UFC Kerr movie where he played a MMA pioneer and bulked EVEN MORE than his regular routine may have pushed his body to such an extent that he recently revealed he had coronary heart disease.

We ofc know that steroids have played a massive part for him in the last 16 years at least… and he had to slim down a ton just like Batista.

Remains to be seen if he will ever step into a ring again for a singles match. Maybe they can do a match with lots of bells and whistles or as H loves triple threats so much, eventually seal the deal with Cody v Rock v Roman- as they iirc Roman v Cody III is something they still very much want. Triple threat will give him some room to breathe.

I would be ok with even Rock v Roman / Cody v Randy- yes I still want my Randy / Rock feud somehow dang it.

I would consider it a huge loss if he never feuds with neither Randy nor Batista ever. The best of the Attitude Era vs the best of the Ruthless Aggression Era.
 
Suleiman said:
Now I remember who he reminds me of.

I was thinking the whole time since his debut that he seems familiar.

He reminds me of Nightcrawler from X-men both in looks and character iirc haha
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That's a good catch. Now that I think about it, it feels slightly modelled after that character too
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Who do you guys think is the mystery caller Randy is talking to every week backstage?

Surely has to be someone out of The Rock, KO or Ted DiBiase Jr.

Chances of Ted DiBiase Jr. are probably less considering he was on trial for fraud charges and acquitted just yesterday.
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Ric Flair? :inti
 
Suleiman said:
Yeah I guess the Cardona part makes sense, but rock wise yeah man 2 matches max I would say health wise but happy to be proven wrong. Feel like I’m pushing it at 2 as well tbh.

Only saying this because that UFC Kerr movie where he played a MMA pioneer and bulked EVEN MORE than his regular routine may have pushed his body to such an extent that he recently revealed he had coronary heart disease.

We ofc know that steroids have played a massive part for him in the last 16 years at least… and he had to slim down a ton just like Batista.

Remains to be seen if he will ever step into a ring again for a singles match. Maybe they can do a match with lots of bells and whistles or as H loves triple threats so much, eventually seal the deal with Cody v Rock v Roman- as they iirc Roman v Cody III is something they still very much want. Triple threat will give him some room to breathe.

I would be ok with even Rock v Roman / Cody v Randy- yes I still want my Randy / Rock feud somehow dang it.

I would consider it a huge loss if he never feuds with neither Randy nor Batista ever. The best of the Attitude Era vs the best of the Ruthless Aggression Era.
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Yeah I was pointing this out when he was showing up on WWE TV before WrestleMania 40 - he looked roided up in a really unhealthy way. Now we know it was for the movie, but still putting your body through that takes a massive toll on you. I hope he doesn't do it again because as you pointed out, he has a history of steroid use too. You can't be messing with that stuff too much at this age.

That's a possibility. Austin did a fairly good bells & whistles type match with KO. A Triple Threat would allow him time to breathe and you could build the match around big moves with Cody and Roman doing the heavy-lifting. Personally, I'm not sure if I want to see Cody v Rock anymore. Especially after Rock came out on the Netflix premiere and essentially buried the whole feud. Better to focus on Rock v Roman and really work on making it as good as it can be. Now that Roman is a babyface the whole dynamic works even better.
 
I'd say @shaz619-centric content but I feel like this is us-centric content at this point

Billy Gunn makes a great point here though, it's not that he didn't have talent - he did. He could work, he could deliver a great match every now and then, he could elevate other talent; it's just that he didn't want to. Because he was a self-serving p*ick who only ever looked out for himself. And this is coming from guys that were supposed to be his buddies, who rode with him and were close with him.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2035642498370912280

Btw, that moustache was him trying to be Lemmy eventhough he could never pull it off.
 
Full props to the cameraman for this shot.

This is what happens when you let Randy Orton cook. In just a couple of weeks, he taken the ball, ran with it and become the most interesting guy on the entire roster. But some reason it took low-ticket sales for these clowns to turn to the Ace.

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RedwoodOriginal said:
I'd say @shaz619-centric content but I feel like this is us-centric content at this point

Billy Gunn makes a great point here though, it's not that he didn't have talent - he did. He could work, he could deliver a great match every now and then, he could elevate other talent; it's just that he didn't want to. Because he was a self-serving p*ick who only ever looked out for himself. And this is coming from guys that were supposed to be his buddies, who rode with him and were close with him.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2035642498370912280

Btw, that moustache was him trying to be Lemmy eventhough he could never pull it off.
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As much as I’d love to be a religious hater, I’ve said the same, he could work, he looked great, he understood what this business meant; but he had a zero ring IQ, was a selfish piece of human excrement & his ego prevented him from being one of the best ever; if he was even a little selfless, he could have been a top guy worthy of being compared to the guys he has the machine trying to convince us that he was on their wavelength which will never be true.

Bret said it best, he was effing sober!! what was his excuse, he was a terrible friend to Shawn in his worst state & compounded his problems / tool advantage of them however you want to look at it, and you just need to listen to his friends and others associated with him when not on the E’s pay roll to fully appreciate what a piece of work he was and still is to this day.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Full props to the cameraman for this shot.

This is what happens when you let Randy Orton cook. In just a couple of weeks, he taken the ball, ran with it and become the most interesting guy on the entire roster. But some reason it took low-ticket sales for these clowns to turn to the Ace.

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Looks like a straight colorized Renaissance painting. No one does the psychotic heel better than him atp. Especially with the extra size he has on now compared to 2008-2010 era it looks far more brutal.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Full props to the cameraman for this shot.

This is what happens when you let Randy Orton cook. In just a couple of weeks, he taken the ball, ran with it and become the most interesting guy on the entire roster. But some reason it took low-ticket sales for these clowns to turn to the Ace.

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I still think this is premature the way it has been done but Randy will deliver in this position.

SD was ok this week surprisingly, but I felt the Truth title change could have happened at WM.

That sell from Sami Zayn has to be one of the best I’ve ever seen off the Black Mass (I love how protected this finisher is), go & watch the Canelo KO of Amir Khan & this sell was just like that, Sami Zayn’s ring magic is so underrated man, he can do everything in the ring & while I hate how his face run has been handled by that moron booker, the slow burn of his heel turn is great, I reckon they are shaping him to be Cody’s main feud post WM.

Dislike how Drew has been chucked out the ME picture but he & Fatu are doing a great job with this feud & they have plenty of heat, maybe we get HIAC at WM this year?

Due to the ego of H & TKO, and also delusion, they really thought they could get away with WM being booked like a pit-stop, it will always be special to the fans, a Vince creation I may add which must rustle their jimmies further, going to the same venue twice in a row charging the same price over 2 days and pushing a narrative it’s just another event was not going to sit well, the promotion & creative had been dreadful.

The poor sales have been forcing their huge ego’s to level up recently and we’ve seen some change because of that in recent weeks!
 
Suleiman said:
Looks like a straight colorized Renaissance painting. No one does the psychotic heel better than him atp. Especially with the extra size he has on now compared to 2008-2010 era it looks far more brutal.
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He cussed out Nick Aldis’s parenting skills as well for no apparent reason, he should have finished that promo by suggesting Christian Cage is more equipped for that role
 
shaz619 said:
He cussed out Nick Aldis’s parenting skills as well for no apparent reason, he should have finished that promo by suggesting Christian Cage is more equipped for that role
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I feel like he is going to outshine Cody in this feud, much like Cena did during his heel run.

Cody despite being billed as the guy who has “done it all” is still very much a rookie story wise , but it’s part of the reason why his feuds with veterans like Rock, Cena, Randy playing the heel are so good
 
shaz619 said:
I still think this is premature the way it has been done but Randy will deliver in this position.

SD was ok this week surprisingly, but I felt the Truth title change could have happened at WM.

That sell from Sami Zayn has to be one of the best I’ve ever seen off the Black Mass (I love how protected this finisher is), go & watch the Canelo KO of Amir Khan & this sell was just like that, Sami Zayn’s ring magic is so underrated man, he can do everything in the ring & while I hate how his face run has been handled by that moron booker, the slow burn of his heel turn is great, I reckon they are shaping him to be Cody’s main feud post WM.

Dislike how Drew has been chucked out the ME picture but he & Fatu are doing a great job with this feud & they have plenty of heat, maybe we get HIAC at WM this year?

Due to the ego of H & TKO, and also delusion, they really thought they could get away with WM being booked like a pit-stop, it will always be special to the fans, a Vince creation I may add which must rustle their jimmies further, going to the same venue twice in a row charging the same price over 2 days and pushing a narrative it’s just another event was not going to sit well, the promotion & creative had been dreadful.

The poor sales have been forcing their huge ego’s to level up recently and we’ve seen some change because of that in recent weeks!
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Don't have alot of positive things to say about the show but everything involving Orton was absolute perfection. I LOLed when he called Cardona a mark a$$ stooge and an indie nerd, and then later when he tried to lull him into a false sense of security by telling him he plays video-games too :moyo2

As for the sell, not that Sami isn't a great seller but I think that kick from Black was legit. They showed a slow-motion replay and it looked like he got him good.

Nothing against Fatu, but for the second year in a row, Drew feels like he is stuck in a midcard feud. This is better than the Priest feud from last year but you could do so much more with him. I think we can add Jacob Fatu to the list of people who have gone from being over like molten lava to being just another babyface on the roster. It feels like they have completely neutered him. He is not the guy who is supposed to be doing long promos. He's supposed to be booked like a wild animal who causes destruction at will. I dunno if the feud warrants HIAC but you definitely need to do some sort of gimmick match at Mania.
 
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